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*coughDgraymancough*If somebody could summarize SDO's meta as town and as scum that'd be nice [I don't think I've ever seen ScumDO].
I think it was a pressure vote. It was still early in the game and he got easily convinced, just putting his vote a minute later after your case against Sokr, as Gorf pointed out. I still have that moment sorta fresh in my memory and the sheeping didn't strike me as scummyPretty sure that's BS ... I'm gonna read into that stuff again but I think you're a decent play toDay.
Vote Jim Morrison
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I did. My case was on #690, July replied to it in #771, and I responded back in #800. July has no posts after #800. Now that I went back to search these stuff, I keep my points from both 690 and 800 against July/J. My main points can be resumed in lack of "risking her throat" plus reaching, passing null tells as scum tells.V/LA today because I have a few projects I have to work on, may be on later but maybe not
I also don't get why Rajam is voting me though to be fair I do recall him having a case on July but I thought she responded to it fully and then Rajam didn't really go back at it afterwards. *shrug*
I like these reads :3Where I stand right now is that I don't want to lynch Gorf, T-block, or Rajam.
The rest, I'm not sure yet.
TB/Ryu scum-team eh? Well, I'm not thinking why not because of their argument earlier in the game with the miller situation. It is a bit of shallow logic but I don't see a scum-team consisting of TB/Ryu as scum doing that. However, both TB and Ryu have been playing a nullish game throughout with doing nothing toDay. Let me go into each seperately.@J, Rajam
Let's discuss the possibility of Tblock / Ryu being scum together. Why / Why not?
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Just wanted to chime in here and say that is really wasn't because I was alright with doing much is just time is a mother ducker ya know?This reminds me: Is it me or is J uncomfortably not doing much toDay?
not much here, crumb was fake, WL lied but he was town, BIG WHOOP and a pile of wifom![]()
Wait, there's something that doesn't fit in this whole Kantrip vs WL regarding the BP crumb/claim/fake crumb/etc... if Sokr crumbed his role at some point, and if WL is now lying (which would mean WL is scum and probably the crumb Sokr did was a fake crumb), wouldn't then WL's scummates told them what was the fake crumb Sokr did?¿?
fair enough, appears to be following up on the liar = scum thing (even though this game has already seen one gambit which not much came out of)![]()
ok if there wasn't actually an in-game crumb, then what are the odds of Kantrip guessing WL's role is a BP???
answer: super low.
Lynch WL
bit too casual for my liking, he is responding to his own post rather uselessly as well, not a helpful postanswering myself: could be indy too![]()
yeah whatever just lynch him
good analysis, though it still assumes that kantrip has bomber ability...doesn't say much town or otherwise, but do note that his sudden flurry of activity (replying to stuff on the same page too) is probably an attempt to look better, so good for him@bolded: WL voiced suspicion on Kantrip when Kantrip still had a town read on Sokr's slot, and when Kantrip wasn't willing to bomb him. If Kantrip would've gotten in real danger of being lynched, he would've bombed whoever he believed was scum; probably me.
thing is, if WL is town, then how the hell did Kantrip guessed his role... that's highly unlikely
in relation to kantrip using his terrorist bomb on WLI don't. If anything this whole exchange has just strenghtened even more my town read on Kantrip.
this is pretty good, i like how he prefers lynching over needing to sacrifice who he believes to be town, though he is oddly conservativeI'm still in catch up status but at the same time I'm also aware of late events since I've skimmed/read them. Basically I'm switching between addressing issues from my catch up and addressing some recent issues. I wanted to see WL insights and then Kantrip's gambit called my attention.
Gorf answer my previous questions
Why do we have to use the ability ¿?
Personally I'd just never use it, unless as I've been saying we have something more solid than a strong scumpick D1, for example, a cop guilty, and Kantrip starts to get scummy which won't happen
Why do we have to kill WL via Kantrip? I'd just lynch WL and move on. Also my read on Kantrip town is stronger than WL scum (although at this time with the gambit they're pretty close) so that's another reason of why I don't support Kantrip comitting suicide.
getting people to vote WL and some other dumbness, pushing asdioh to do stuff, looks like he wants to move the game along, good on him (ignoring the fact he's still behind)Hey Red Ryu move your vote to WL, your vote is currently on a useless place and also it's friday and it's fun fun fun
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Offer a 20% discount on all of Walgreens' tuna cans: Asdioh
Follow-up from above, he's looking more and more towny tbhFollowing this reasoning we must kill everyone because they're not confirmed town until they flip...
Tblock why do you insist on using Kantrip's ability instead of following a normal course? Isn't Kantrip a town read to you? if not explain why
still good stuff, ok reasoning, townyah nvm, but I still think you're pushing it a little too far in not believing Kantrip's claim when he basically claimed a super-easy-to-check-at-any-time role, which I don't see scum doing. Still my question of why you want to use the ability now Day 1 / Night 1 remains, instead of waiting some more when more solid info regarding night actions/flips is on the table. You seem to want to use the ability now desperately just because
still very goodEven if somehow Kantrip is scum and didn't see the claim, he still should have scummates and the probability of all of them missing the claim is.... zero
The only other scenario of scum-Kantrip is Kantrip being indy but if that's the case why did he claim a suicide role then![]()
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Just no and no. All this just sums towards Kantrip town
Hrm.This is not an explanation. Regardless of it's scummy or anti-town, you're not specifying why me considering scummy Asdioh in the T-block vs RR exchange (when Tblock's miller claim was still up) is/was weird
Still good.The difference is that I read carefully what I read, and I wasn't retracting in the next post saying "I don't think Tblock is scummy though!"
Yup. Although the second question is filler.Why do you suggest yourself? If you're town you wouldn't want the cop to waste an opportunity to find scum right?
Also why so few people (only two)?
Oh. Kay.Prod-doging ¿?
Been sick during weekend, still not fully recovered. I'll see if I can post something later.
This would be good, but sadly he still does not consider the possibility Kantrip is lying about the role *despite* his insistence that Kantrip would have detonated on someone else by this point due to a WL townread...? I dunno, I'm getting confused. BUT THE MAIN POINT IS THAT KANTRIP ADMITTED HIS ROLE WAS FALSE JUST TEN POSTS PRIOR, GOD. I cannot take this post seriously, it might as well be a troll post, as somebody immediately points out.This is not a solid reason for considering Kantrip scum. All of these points could easily go on a town member; most if not all of these points are null. In a 12-man players with a miller, it's very likely that there are only 2 mafia. A town terrorist role isn't unlikely at all.
Also for the record, I think this is the point where all looks shift towards Kantrip (not really aware of what happens after page ~ 21 - 40ppp - but if Kantrip got lynched I'd say this post is the starting point), and I consider these weak reasons for shifting. By the time WL did this post, Kantrip wasn't willing to bomb WL so it was a safe accusation, since probably Kantrip would've bombed someone else under pressure, like me.
Without further reading what has happened in the last ~8 pages other than Kantrip dying and bombing Gorf, I still consider Sokr/WL my main scumpick
See above.Kantrip, if you haven't, could you clarify the BP crumb issue? If it wasn't something in-game / never existed, then why didn't you bomb WL instead?
answering a questionGorf, this is the 1st time I mentioned suspicion on Sokr
Good question. WL might've had his reasons though, but that doesn't take the merit away from the question.Wait, I can understand Red Ryu being "cleared" due to claim shenanigans, but why T-block? One thing is having a town read on him, and something completely different is saying he is clear due to claims![]()
this is fair enoughConsidering Kantrip "guessed" WL's role, I think the second scenario (underlined) is unlikely, and my bet is that WL voiced a "safe" suspicion on Kantrip since at that time Kantrip had Sokr's slot as town and wasn't willing to bomb him
math, mathI don't understand the urge to use Kantrip's ability, instead of following the normal course of Days, Nights, lynches, Night Kills. Even if Kantrip bombing WL produces 1 town and 1 scum down (with WL being scum, and 1 scum - 1 town being a good exchange), we'd have only a few days left for deciding who to lynch, instead of a full Day for deciding the same. Even with a 1-1 exchange, if we would've mislynch then, and plus Night Kills, we'd just lose the initial advantage of the 1-1 exchange. Using a full Day (next Day) + 1 scum down via lynch + Night Kill(s) seems a lot wiser to me than deciding who to lynch using only a full rl days + 1 scum down + 1 town down + yet someone to lynch + Night Kill(s).
t-block addresses this, SK would want maf gone just as much as town does, he explains it below rather wellvote: J
Gorf's claim and actions make a lot of sense now tbh. For example, why he chose to believe WL over Kantrip when Kantrip "guessed" WL's role (which I was ready to criticize toDay but after seeing the claim it makes a lot of sense). Gorf town unless someone cclaims him. That action doesn't even make sense as indy so Gorf is town
There's some players though that don't make sense regarding the same thing: why they chose to believe WL instead of Kantrip when Kantrip "guessed" WL's role?... from the top of my head, both Gheb and JM followed that route
I'm still willing to let Gheb aside for now
scum is between J/July, aa and JM, imo
Asdioh, RR, Gorf are strong town reads. then T-block, then Gheb
Unlikely. Indy Gorf would've chosen to go against Sokr/WL, since he would've either flipped scum or BP. Saving him D1 for testing his BP claim N1 is a very town-vig action.
@Gheb and Jim Morrison: your reads on July/J?
Stubborn adherence. He sort of has a point, but Kantrip wasn't playing too great either, especially with the freaking unclaim. You know what, this absolutely ignores Kantrip revealing he lied about bomber role.This absolutely ignores Kantrip "guessing" WL's role
Ditto to my previous post.Ditto to my previous post.
Really good reasoning, I like this. Still too absolute in his decisions, but it's good.The play makes no sense since Gorf couldn't know for sure if WL was lying or not about the BP. Saving him for Night to NKill him was a risky thing to do as SK since it could've just wasted him a Night phase. SK would've wanted to just lynch WL since it was a safer thing to do taking into account the uncertainty between scum and BP. Same goes for Mafia. Hence Gorf is town
Hrm.JM what did you meant by this? Could you go into detail?
More Hrm.JM don't forget to address my 1179
I personally like this question.Explain these reads. You haven't yet iirc
this is not bad but makes a bunch of assumptionsProd-responding
I think it was a pressure vote. It was still early in the game and he got easily convinced, just putting his vote a minute later after your case against Sokr, as Gorf pointed out. I still have that moment sorta fresh in my memory and the sheeping didn't strike me as scummy
Not really fully convinced of going against JM toDay. I need to do some rereads but just from the point of my head I think the best play for toDay is July/J
i guess t's good he's keeping track of his scumreads now but they're obviously not very currentThe points from my #690 still remain, specially the overall impressions I mention at the end.
Seems he's doing stuff. Good for him.I did. My case was on #690, July replied to it in #771, and I responded back in #800. July has no posts after #800. Now that I went back to search these stuff, I keep my points from both 690 and 800 against July/J. My main points can be resumed in lack of "risking her throat" plus reaching, passing null tells as scum tells.
Nothing much. Chasing a scumread.I like these reads :3
Asdioh what do you think of aa
Is there anybody not suspicious of JM? If so he should speak up asap.
Of course it's WIFOM, but you can't just disregard it because it is. You have to look at odds and at what someone would do.JM, his miller CC could be faked and it could not, regardless, it's WIFOM. I also don't like how you just completely bypass what I said w.r.t. why I wanted RR dead. ;_; I explained why and also said that I still have you as a scum-read.
Most stances in that post seem conformistic. Not that can actually make a case based on this, nor do I think it's straigth-up scummy ... I just don't like it, it looks unlike you and for the amount of what you posted it does very little to actually move this game forwards.Well Gheb, could you explain what you don't like about my read's post?
I have no town read on JM.Could you also explain your JMtown read?
I feel betrayed. ;____;How about tomorrow?
I have nothing to go by now, I didn't prepare this lol, I just have a gut read on T-block which I'll look into and explain more tomorrow, gonna study now, haven't done a thing all day ;x