VOTE: Team Real or Team Fake on the Grinch Leak

[Tollhouse]

What I think we'll get on Thursday character wise is an opening trailer for Geno, an introduction for the last echoes Ken and Shadow, and then finally a newcomer trailer to end the finale. I would imagine Banjo would be that character that's saved for last. How they handle Issac, Chorus Kids, and Mach Rider? I don't know.

Part of me hopes to see a character revealed that's not on this leak. I don't want the grinch leak to be fake. I'm just hoping it doesn't have everyone. I want there to be something we didn't know about already.

 

[RileyXY1]

There are reports that the guy who bought a crapton of Rosalina amiibos so that others couldn't have them is behind the Grinch Leak.

 

[Sean Wheeler]

So the Smash Direct is on November 1st? Sure hope it disproves the leak by showing that Shadow is an Assist Trophy and gives us Tails as Sonic's echo instead. When Wayforward was the most vocal about putting Shantae in the Smash Ballot and went quiet in Smash Ultimate's development and made references to Smash in Jammies mode and didn't appear in other Indie fighting games, that's really suspicious and I hope she's in the game. She's not in the Grinch leak so her announcement can debunk it. Geno, as much as I hate a 9th Mario rep, there are signs that he's in. Isaac, he can get in Smash. Chorus Kids, nope. Ken, let's cut him out to discredit Vergeban and the Ken photo. Banjo-Kazooiee, as if Nintendo would ask a console rival for a character. Phil Spencer may have said he would want him in, but does Sakurai want to ask Microsoft? Mach Rider, where's your bike? And I hope this Direct would show the final roster and finish adding newcomers before showing the first DLC character that I hope would be Spring Man.

 

[soviet prince]

jumped on fake, don't think all these insiders are lying

 

[Thunderfang747]

Hmmmm...... I was starting to doubt the leak,I dont believe the insiders are bad people lying to us and they all seem to really agree it isn't real. That said I reviewed the evidence and really struggle to believe it is fake, so I want to throw out one final theory of mine. A common detracting point I see is that 7 characters in one direct is a pipedream. Because they are presumably showcasing the final build at the tournament Friday, not to mention Sakurai tweeting "This is it" or something to that effect, it is likely that the full roster will be unveiled Thursday. 7 characters feels like a lot, especially when 5 are newcomers. However one thing continued to bug me, the direct leaks were insisting previously that we should expect a direct "the 5th through the 12th, probably the 8th" for some time now. Only days ago were the leakers saying we were getting it this week. My theory is that if we are to believe at one point the direct was possibly planned to be next week rather than this Thursday, (it could have been pushed ahead due to internal chaos with the roster leaked assuming the Grinch leak is real) the idea that this tournament is the final build with all characters selectable actually falls on its face. No matter who the final characters are, even if the Grinch leak itself were faked, they wouldn't be confirmed yet before the tournament happened. So it being a final build with all characters selectable, if we are to believe the direct was planned for the 8th, is actually impossible. Furthermore "this is it" or whatever it was is a vague statement that could mean a lot of things. This is the last major info dump perhaps fits the bill even if a few characters were held off. Especially if there is another, presumably general, direct later this month which could easily have a character reveal at the beginning and end. Leakers have been saying expect two directs this month after all. Unless they are going to throw DLC already in just a few weeks, admittedly possible if we get a Mewtwo situation, I feel like getting say, Isaac, Chorus Kids, and Mach Rider Thursday with Banjo starting off the regular direct following (perhaps to segway into an N64 classic reveal) and Geno being the "One more thing" in said general direct isnt out of the realm of possibility. With that in mind, 3 newcomers and 2 echoes is a lot more realistic and no longer insists we need 7 reveals Thursday for the leak to be real

 

[Makai Wars]

Im beyond skeptical, but I guess more evidence points to it being real than fake.

 

[Arthur97]

I refuse to say one way or the other, but remember that the "insiders" may just be blowing smoke or have wrong information. The fact is, I don't know them, and you probably don't either. Unless you do know them, you really don't know what kind of people they are.

 

[Blackwolf666]

A thought occurred to me days ago. Figured I’d share since nobody else I’ve seen said it. Maybe others had the Same thought cross their heads but thought it was stupid so they kept their mouths shut.

What if this “leak” was planned by Nintendo themselves to get us to expect certain characters only to blow our minds in the direct.

I’m on team real btw. You may ask why would I put out a theory against my side. My answer... who knows I may just enjoy watching watching the community going back and forth on it and felt like adding fuel to the fire. Or, maybe, I am just interested in hearing everyone’s thoughts.

 

[Kevandre]

Last night I went into some sort of fugue state and just started tweeting about the Direct with assumption that Grinch is true. In case you want to read my ramblings:

>#SmashBrosDirect opens with Ryu and Sonic fighting
>Ryu KO's Sonic
>Shadow spawns instead of Sonic
>Shadow Chaos Controls Ryu via FS and KO's him
>Ken comes out as the respawn
>Sakurai covers Echo Fighter reveals and how Squad Strike works simultaneously
>BGM is Grinch Theme

>Another Trailer
>Marth is fighting Master & Crazy Hand
>Getting overwhelmed
>A third hand appears
>It's yellow
>Isaac rolls up and smacks the **** out of Master & Crazy
>Co-Op Classic Mode returns confirmed

>Sakurai sits like a snack, waves at camera
>Refers to K. Rool as a seasick crocodile
>Shows off Spirits mode
>It's Great Maze 2.0
>Shows Mario walking through forest
>Familiar song comes on
>Mario finds a doll that says its name is Q*Bert speech
>Geno whirls in

>Sakurai talks about online modes
>For Glory has Omega/Battlefield/Hazardless stages
>Still random
>App chat only for friends
>Shows white hand using a generic iphone w/ online app
>Calling his identical friends
>They chant in a Rhythm
>The Chorus Kids Harmonize

>Sakurai shows off a new Adventure Mode
>Mix of bunch of new stages and a couple from Melee's
>Captain Falcon and Sonic trying to outrun the F-Zero Racers on Big Blue
>Mach Rider drives past them
>Mach Rider Speeds By!
>Mach Rider hella fast but super weak

>Finally Sakurai says he only has one character left
>This character was supposed to be in Smash 64 and missed the opportunity
>Banjo theme starts playing
>64 bit Banjo knocks on the camera
>Mumbo zaps him, he turns HD
>Banjo & Kazooie Get Jiggy!

 

[Deathcarter]

If ACP-PLV still doesn't come out and deny being associated with the leak, I'm going to take it as a sign of it being real. I don't care if #TeamFake thinks this leaker is a savant, there's no way a leaker can prevent the company from shooting down this whole thing if it wasn't under NDA.

 

[nirvanafan]

hmm so vergeben and emily rodgers are now saying isaac is an assist trophy, first major difference someone else is calling other than Incineroar, I am still back and forth with this whole thing (still leaning more towards real) but thought this was interest and had not seen it brought up so I thought I would share.

source: Vergeben's Gamefaqs Account

 

[Diddy Kong]

Last minute thoughts; if the Grinch leak is real, all the newcomers on the banner are gonna need to be shown at once. I have a kind of hard time imagining that... I still HOPE it's real, but I won't expect nothing.

 

[Arthur97]

Last minute thoughts; if the Grinch leak is real, all the newcomers on the banner are gonna need to be shown at once. I have a kind of hard time imagining that... I still HOPE it's real, but I won't expect nothing.

Not really. They've done sporadic reveals before.

 

[soviet prince]

hmm so vergeben and emily rodgers are now saying isaac is an assist trophy, first major difference someone else is calling other than Incineroar, I am still back and forth with this whole thing (still leaning more towards real) but thought this was interest and had not seen it brought up so I thought I would share.

Also saw something about vergeben now saying the pokemon rep is now from gen 8 and now dlc, at least if this side is right we are looking at the square rep now instead of Incineroar which is more exciting although this backpedaling does bring leave more questions than answers on what happened there.

source: Vergeben's Gamefaqs Account

did not see the post were he said that

 

[nirvanafan]

did not see the post were he said that

isaac assist

my mistake with the pokemon thing, did not look too into it before, turns out that actually came from someone impersonating him on here, he is still supporting incineroar, sorry about that, should have looked closer at that thread.

 

[soviet prince]

isaac assist

my mistake with the pokemon thing, did not look too into it before, turns out that actually came from someone impersonating him on here, he is still supporting incineroar, sorry about that, should have looked closer at that thread.

no prob at least you admit your mistakes and not act like most of gamefaq who I wonder some times how there smart enough to use a computer

 

[MrGameguycolor]

Beforehand, I thought it was fake.

Now I believe it will be real.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

No need to go at my throat guys. lol

 

[Crystanium]

Ken was already expected. Even before people were citing Vergeben, the concept of echo fighters was known. So Ken was expected. Not only was Incineroar not shown in the leak, neither was Pirahna Plant. Isaac was shown in the mural, but he is an assist trophy. Shadow the Hedgehog is also an assist trophy, even though he was shown in the "leaked" mural. I cannot believe the amount of people (69%) who bought into this leak. This percentage was higher. Team Real can now be called Team Gullible.

 

[CrimsonFlash]

to the man who made the grinch leak, props to you, I knew that it was fakeable, but still really good and convincing and best yet, now laxchris has to hide in a hole for the next 3 months, he seemed like he would have bet his life on it. I think one of the main reasons why people were so convinced was because they wanted to believe it was true more than anything.

 

[Izanagi97]

to the man who made the grinch leak, props to you, I knew that it was fakeable, but still really good and convincing and best yet, now laxchris has to hide in a hole for the next 3 months, he seemed like he would have bet his life on it. I think one of the main reasons why people were so convinced was because they wanted to believe it was true more than anything.

Though I do wonder why this person basically committed defamation to make their leak look more valid.

Honestly, my only problem with the direct was that a fairly big portion of it felt like filler (did we really need that portion on the options menu and online?)

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Piranha Plant is FIRE!

And we can finally switch languages!?!?!??

I get to have Japanese Marth back!

Sorry for y’all who believed it was real, but at least we are getting gameplay of the REAL game.

Snap chat filter is not and excuse.

Told y’all Ken was in the game lol duh

 

[Izanagi97]

I just hope that those journalists insisting it was fake don't act like assholes because they were ight

 

[CrimsonFlash]

Though I do wonder why this person basically committed defamation to make their leak look more valid.

Honestly, my only problem with the direct was that a fairly big portion of it felt like filler (did we really need that portion on the options menu and online?)

I think the online was necessary (and it looks incredible), the options menu was pointless, I am mainly just annoyed that sakurai refuses to do any minor DLC, why are alternate costumes so unnecessary to him, people like aesthetics and to block yourself out of using such things is aggravating.

 

[ExitWound]

Lesson learned: with Nintendo, keep your expectations low

 

[nirvanafan]

Well the leak may be fake but you still have to give the leaker credit for all of the effort in creating one of the most elaborate, believable fakes ever.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Lesson learned: with Nintendo, keep your expectations low

You’re kidding me, right?

The game has 75 characters and more to come, and a lot content more beyond that.

Are some of you guys even excited to play the game or do you constantly need stimulation?

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Lol fake as ****, I hope everyone who attacked me and tried to tell me it was real eats their words.

 

[Mic_128]