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[Holder of the Heel]

Read Crusher's Role PM, the spot goes back if the person one tries to send the spot to dies.

Ehhh it's a bit questionable but I took it as the spot comes back to Crusher when it kills a player, so it never goes away forever. Pretty sure that's the proper interpretation.

That person will then have the ability to pass the spot along to someone else the following night. If they don’t for whatever reason, they will die the next day. If that person dies, the spot will come back to you.

Swamp is referring to the passed-on player in the first sentence, and then says 'if that person dies', therefore it's going back to that reference.

Of note, it says, if you don't pass it on 'for whatever reason', they die. For whatever reason, I would assume, includes failure to pass it on back the target is dead. Or if you were trying to pass it onto someone who already had a spot.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

No it does not

vaanrose Well there you have it.

 

[Ura]

How.

Did you even read anything that Holder and I pointed out.

Vaan said you were likely the candidate after the whole roleblocking incident. And now there's info pointing to Vaan. Furthermore, I checked yesterday and Vaan isn't my boss although I still feel he's likely town.

I need time to think this through more. There's no easy answer here.

 

[vaanrose]

vaanrose Well there you have it.

I specifically asked Yellowlord if he was blocked tonight and he said he wasn't.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I specifically asked Yellowlord if he was blocked tonight and he said he wasn't.

And you think that was King's doing as well?

 

[vaanrose]

And you think that was King's doing as well?

I was trying to see if Cori HAD redirected King as asked, because I was looking for alternative reasons why I could be blocked. For example, I was unsure at the time if I would have been blocked by Aem's kidnapping.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Vaan said you were likely the candidate after the whole roleblocking incident. And now there's info pointing to Vaan. Furthermore, I checked yesterday and Vaan isn't my boss although I still feel he's likely town.

I need time to think this through more. There's no easy answer here.

Read through this phase's posts again if necessary.

The majority of "evidence" that's been claimed was against me is circumstantial at best, and totally incorrect at worst.

 

[vaanrose]

Read through this phase's posts again if necessary.

The majority of "evidence" that's been claimed was against me is circumstantial at best, and totally incorrect at worst.

Very simple question for you.

You have two skills. Which is the primary skill, and which is the secondary.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I was trying to see if Cori HAD redirected King as asked, because I was looking for alternative reasons why I could be blocked. For example, I was unsure at the time if I would have been blocked by Aem's kidnapping.

Not sure what your point is.

Yellow could be lying about being blocked.

You could be lying about being blocked.

If you were indeed blocked, it could be by King.

But if Cori's action was stopped by someone else's action, whose would it be if not King's?

But if King did that, then he did not block you.

 

[Deleted member]

Isn't it possible Cori, like, just forgot or wasn't able to put her command? I sent her a PM last Night and she never replied.

Ehhh it's a bit questionable but I took it as the spot comes back to Crusher when it kills a player, so it never goes away forever. Pretty sure that's the proper interpretation.



Swamp is referring to the passed-on player in the first sentence, and then says 'if that person dies', therefore it's going back to that reference.

Of note, it says, if you don't pass it on 'for whatever reason', they die. For whatever reason, I would assume, includes failure to pass it on back the target is dead. Or if you were trying to pass it onto someone who already had a spot.

I thought so too but the ability is seemingly considered "mine" after Crusher's death. And I passed, I didn't fail to do that, but it came back. The wording here is exact.
Regardless, KoP already confirmed he has my spot and, as you seem to believe him, what reason would he have to lie about this? Even if I was Mafia, what reason would I have to lie about having the spot?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Very simple question for you.

You have two skills. Which is the primary skill, and which is the secondary.

I'll answer this, but first ask you a question as well; what exactly is the power you tried to use last night?

Because the power I used causes the person I targeted to use any abilities they used to be used on themselves instead. Not just block their abilities. Blocking is only my secondary power.

So either you used a power on yourself that would've not actually had any effect on you last night, or we have someone else with a blocking power lurking among those that remain.

It's also still entirely possible that you're lying about being blocked altogether.

 

[vaanrose]

Isn't it possible Cori, like, just forgot or wasn't able to put her command? I sent her a PM last Night and she never replied.

I'd like to point out, Holder, that Cori never did confirm she was going ahead with my plan.

 

[vaanrose]

I'll answer this, but first ask you a question as well; what exactly is the power you tried to use last night?

My one and only power is to take someone else's power, which then counts as my second power for the next night. Since Apollo was jailed the night before, last night I only had the repossession.

Blocking is only my secondary power.

Is it listed as your secondary power on your role PM, yes or no.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

My one and only power is to take someone else's power, which then counts as my second power for the next night. Since Apollo was jailed the night before, last night I only had the repossession.

Is it listed as your secondary power on your role PM, yes or no.

Hmm....

And that's a yes. It's listed as my secondary power.

 

[vaanrose]

Hmm....

And that's a yes. It's listed as my secondary power.

Alright, Holder of the Heel , I don't know how your lie detection works exactly, but this is the one to test.

I asked Natz to do one thing for me last night, and I even told you the plan ahead of time. She's confirmed she did it in the thread already. Force King to use his primary ability, under the assumption it was his roleblock.

 

[Ura]

Unvote: KingofPhantoms

Looked back at what Holder said and I had to reconsider. It's a lose-lose situation for me but for now I won't be casting a vote. Not until I can wrap my mind around all this.

 

[RamOne]

Unvote: Shishoe

I only voted for that threeway tie anyway.

 

[vaanrose]

And @Natz~ , I'd like to know how you knew I was going to repossess from Zeb.

Because I never told you that.

also while i'm at it vaanrose ya repoosesed zeb right?

In the event King is telling the truth, your second skill comes into question again.

 

[vaanrose]

At this point Shish's linking ability should be completely established. It's not just me defending that skill, King has also defended his linking ability. We know Praline had The Spot because he killed himself, and he was the first to claim receiving it, before Shish confirmed he'd also received one.

Now King has confirmed receiving a spot from Shish, who would have only gotten one if he was linked with Praline.

And his hiding skill is likewise firmly established just by the fact that he's still here. He was Aem's target for kidnapping, he hid behind Zeb, Zeb got taken instead.

Whether you think King is mafia or I am, voting for Shish is a mistake.

 

[vaanrose]

Now.

I'm willing to step up and force a tie between King and myself.

Not just because I'm town and a town victory is still a victory, but because knowing whether King's blocking skill is his first or second ability is tantamount to knowing who the remaining mafia are.

Someone blocked me last night, when I flip town, you'll all see that's the truth.

In the event King flips town and it's his second skill that is his blocking ability, then that means that he not have blocked me, as Natz forced him to use his primary ability. Or rather she claims she did. Knowing I was asking her to force King to block gives her a perfect mask for blocking me of her own volition. Which, since she at least suspected I'd be repossessing from Zeb, means she was defending Zeb from having his skill taken, and it's the two of them that are working together as the last two mafia members.

In the event King flips mafia and it's his primary ability that is the blocking ability, then Natz is likely telling the truth about forcing him to block, which means she's town. If King and Apollo were working alongside Zeb, they'd have a much better way of proving Apollo is a vig than my previous theory, as Apollo could have simply claimed to shoot Zeb while Zeb claimed bulletproof. Because of this I no longer suspect Zeb is in cahoots with King, which means if King is mafia, Zeb probably isn't. I think Ram's skills are accounted for, so it comes down to Yellow, Kirby and Ura. All it takes, then, is for tomorrow to force a tie between Yellow and Kirby; Yellow, in case the lynchproof is a one-shot, and Kirby, in case he brought Ura back for nefarious reasons.

 

[Deleted member]

Now.

I'm willing to step up and force a tie between King and myself.

Not just because I'm town and a town victory is still a victory, but because knowing whether King's blocking skill is his first or second ability is tantamount to knowing who the remaining mafia are.

Someone blocked me last night, when I flip town, you'll all see that's the truth.

In the event King flips town and it's his second skill that is his blocking ability, then that means that he not have blocked me, as Natz forced him to use his primary ability. Or rather she claims she did. Knowing I was asking her to force King to block gives her a perfect mask for blocking me of her own volition. Which, since she at least suspected I'd be repossessing from Zeb, means she was defending Zeb from having his skill taken, and it's the two of them that are working together as the last two mafia members.

In the event King flips mafia and it's his primary ability that is the blocking ability, then Natz is likely telling the truth about forcing him to block, which means she's town. If King and Apollo were working alongside Zeb, they'd have a much better way of proving Apollo is a vig than my previous theory, as Apollo could have simply claimed to shoot Zeb while Zeb claimed bulletproof. Because of this I no longer suspect Zeb is in cahoots with King, which means if King is mafia, Zeb probably isn't. I think Ram's skills are accounted for, so it comes down to Yellow, Kirby and Ura. All it takes, then, is for tomorrow to force a tie between Yellow and Kirby; Yellow, in case the lynchproof is a one-shot, and Kirby, in case he brought Ura back for nefarious reasons.

How is the votecount right now?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

At this point Shish's linking ability should be completely established. It's not just me defending that skill, King has also defended his linking ability. We know Praline had The Spot because he killed himself, and he was the first to claim receiving it, before Shish confirmed he'd also received one.

Now King has confirmed receiving a spot from Shish, who would have only gotten one if he was linked with Praline.

And his hiding skill is likewise firmly established just by the fact that he's still here. He was Aem's target for kidnapping, he hid behind Zeb, Zeb got taken instead.

Whether you think King is mafia or I am, voting for Shish is a mistake.

Even if he's telling the truth, that doesn't mean he is a villain. His powers are quite manipulative. In fact his "hide" isn't what I understand to be hiding at all. If he hid, all actions against him would miss, and he'd link his target one-way to himself. But he claims the link move is separate and the hiding is more like redirecting, at least off himself. And Cori was a redirector, a villain, so that could mean Shishoe is the hero variant of the power.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Point being, Shish is really just a redirector, but he's simply using a different word for it, but what he actually means isn't any different.

 

[vaanrose]

Even if he's telling the truth, that doesn't mean he is a villain. His powers are quite manipulative. In fact his "hide" isn't what I understand to be hiding at all. If he hid, all actions against him would miss, and he'd link his target one-way to himself. But he claims the link move is separate and the hiding is more like redirecting, at least off himself. And Cori was a redirector, a villain, so that could mean Shishoe is the hero variant of the power.

I've considered it.

But my question is, Cori said on night one she redirected me off of Opossum and on to Shish.

I was given Golden's power.

That would mean Shish redirected me to Golden the same night Cori redirected me to Shish? Or Shish redirected Cori's redirecting of me to Shish to me to Shish to Golden

 

[vaanrose]

Actually, hang on a second.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Now.

I'm willing to step up and force a tie between King and myself.

Not just because I'm town and a town victory is still a victory, but because knowing whether King's blocking skill is his first or second ability is tantamount to knowing who the remaining mafia are.

Someone blocked me last night, when I flip town, you'll all see that's the truth.

In the event King flips town and it's his second skill that is his blocking ability, then that means that he not have blocked me, as Natz forced him to use his primary ability. Or rather she claims she did. Knowing I was asking her to force King to block gives her a perfect mask for blocking me of her own volition. Which, since she at least suspected I'd be repossessing from Zeb, means she was defending Zeb from having his skill taken, and it's the two of them that are working together as the last two mafia members.

In the event King flips mafia and it's his primary ability that is the blocking ability, then Natz is likely telling the truth about forcing him to block, which means she's town. If King and Apollo were working alongside Zeb, they'd have a much better way of proving Apollo is a vig than my previous theory, as Apollo could have simply claimed to shoot Zeb while Zeb claimed bulletproof. Because of this I no longer suspect Zeb is in cahoots with King, which means if King is mafia, Zeb probably isn't. I think Ram's skills are accounted for, so it comes down to Yellow, Kirby and Ura. All it takes, then, is for tomorrow to force a tie between Yellow and Kirby; Yellow, in case the lynchproof is a one-shot, and Kirby, in case he brought Ura back for nefarious reasons.

Vaan, if we're both really town, then eliminating both of us would be a high risk with how few players we have remaining, regardless of the info it would yield.

Zeb voted for Apollo on Day 3. The first person to do so. Why would he vote for him that early on in the game if they were both scum?

All I'm saying is, we may all be looking at the wrong targets here. And I think there may exist better solutions than killing two of us right now, especially when, among the few players who remain anyway, only one mere mafia member is dead by this point.

 

[vaanrose]

Swamp is debating how two certain roles interact.

I MADE SPAGHETTI AND I'M CONFUSED!

This did happen night one.

 

[vaanrose]

Vaan, if we're both really town, then eliminating both of us would be a high risk with how few players we have remaining, regardless of the info it would yield.

Zeb voted for Apollo on Day 3. The first person to do so. Why would he vote for him that early on in the game if they were both scum?

All I'm saying is, we may all be looking at the wrong targets here. And I think there may exist better solutions than killing two of us right now, especially when, among the few players who remain anyway, only one mere mafia member is dead by this point.

If we're both town, that means beyond a shadow of a doubt there's a second roleblocker. And there's only two people left with unverified second skills; Yellow and Natz. It narrows down the field.

And in any case, I counted the votes, we're back to a threeway tie between us and Shish.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Actually, since I'm confirmed town, basically, why doesn't we just lynch everyone but me and the lynchproof claims. Game would either end in favor of the villains or just leave one threat outnumbered. I'm a genius!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If we're both town, that means beyond a shadow of a doubt there's a second roleblocker. And there's only two people left with unverified second skills; Yellow and Natz. It narrows down the field.

And in any case, I counted the votes, we're back to a threeway tie between us and Shish.

I would prefer that we go back to your previous suggestion of having Holder test my claim as role blocking being secondary power. You'll see I'm being truthful about that if he does. You all will.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt here, Natz more than likely lied to you; I used my primary power last night. I can use no more than one power a night. If the message clearly indicated that you were blocked, then the power simply must have came from someone else.

Doing that plan would narrow the field, but it would also leave the mafia with fewer townies to worry about killing off. And they'd still have a clear opportunity to off another townie overnight. This is a considerably high risk plan in my eyes.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If the message clearly indicated that you were blocked, then the power simply must have came from someone else.

Well, that or Natz went against orders and forced me to use my secondary power instead, for whatever reason, though would still mean she lied.

 

[Deleted member]

Even if he's telling the truth, that doesn't mean he is a villain. His powers are quite manipulative. In fact his "hide" isn't what I understand to be hiding at all. If he hid, all actions against him would miss, and he'd link his target one-way to himself. But he claims the link move is separate and the hiding is more like redirecting, at least off himself. And Cori was a redirector, a villain, so that could mean Shishoe is the hero variant of the power.

Hider is just how my flavor words it. And even if I was a redirector, there was no way of me knowing who was targetting me in specific. And I fail to see what's your issue with my linking ability.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm off to sleep so hopefully, I wake up dead.

 

[AEMehr]

Thirty minutes~~

 

[Opossum]

I never did my post mortem post so imagine I'm a force ghost.



OoooOooooOoOoOoo

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well....

Here we go...

Ugh.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I never did my post mortem post so imagine I'm a force ghost.



OoooOooooOoOoOoo

Only Jedis have Force Ghosts.

Does that mean you're back to being Anakin?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, it's been an honor.

 

[Coricus]

Well....

Here we go...

Ugh.

*slowclap*

GG everybody, G frickin' G.

 

[Coricus]

I just want you guys to think for a moment how the GM and multiple dead players are liking that post and ruminate on it a bit before the flavor goes up. Really slosh it between your stomachs.