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[Holder of the Heel]

I hid behind Zeb this Night, I didn't link myself up with him.

And I was linked with praline, otherwise we wouldn't have both had gotten Crusher's spot.

And who do you claim to have given this spot to?

 

[Deleted member]

And who do you claim to have given this spot to?

On Night 3, I gave it to Praline himself but it came back to me due to her dying. Last Night, I gave it to KoP.

 

[RamOne]

Does anyone know if and what Coricus did last night? Because it might explain why I didn't get a roleblocked message when KoP claimed he roleblocked me: she redirected King to someone else.

 

[Deleted member]

Does anyone know if and what Coricus did last night? Because it might explain why I didn't get a roleblocked message when KoP claimed he roleblocked me: she redirected King to someone else.

But why would Coricus do that? She seemed to trust Vaan, there's no reason for her to redirect a roleblock onto him.

 

[RamOne]

But why would Coricus do that? She seemed to trust Vaan, there's no reason for her to redirect a roleblock onto him.

Apologies, I missed Vaan saying he got roleblocked.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Well, King is 100% mafia, it was a dumb move to block the rolecop.

Vote: KingOfPhantoms

How strange.

Coricus asked you for your guidance and you told her to redirect King to target Yellow, and here she is now dead and you immediately claim that you were blocked and it had to have been King. But that shouldn't be possible.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

King being redirected, we have no reason to vote for King.

Vaan's own recommendation last Night contradicts his reasoning and the person who did the redirecting who'd say so definitively is the one that ended up dead.

But he seems to have forgotten that it was not just him and Cori in that PM, I was there too.

Vaan is for some reason high jacking the lynch target with reasoning that he should know is already wrong.

Therefore, he is likely a hero.

If we don't lynch Shish, we should go for vaan. Both seem to be quite in sync in their intent and back up each other's role claims, so it seems quite possible they are both conspiring against us.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Even more curious is that I asked the pair, Cori and vaan, who AEM should kidnap, and the latter suggested Zeb. I later told them that I decided upon Shish. He discouraged my decision but didn't resist my call.

However, be it coincidence or not, it is still Zeb and not Shish that is kidnapped. It is as if I told AEM vaan's suggestion, or as if vaan informed Shish of the impending threat and made sure it landed to a more suitable victim.

Anyways, AEMehr you have been waiting for my judgement, and I say leave Zeb alone. Instead, we should lynch one of these two.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not gonna act like you're trying to incriminate anyone because I know you're Town. The only reason I'm vouching for vaan is because he has actually worked in favor of the Town, while KoP has done nothing but sit idly. And to refresh your memory, KoP vouched for Apollo, a confirmed Mafioso.
If I have been fooled, then I guess that's that, but I say we lynch KoP because he has way too much evidence.
If he turns out Town, lynch Vaan as you wish, or even me if you really think I'm Mafia, it's not like I'm useful now that I used up all my hiding.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I'm not gonna act like you're trying to incriminate anyone because I know you're Town. The only reason I'm vouching for vaan is because he has actually worked in favor of the Town, while KoP has done nothing but sit idly. And to refresh your memory, KoP vouched for Apollo, a confirmed Mafioso.
If I have been fooled, then I guess that's that, but I say we lynch KoP because he has way too much evidence.
If he turns out Town, lynch Vaan as you wish, or even me if you really think I'm Mafia, it's not like I'm useful now that I used up all my hiding.

You don't see anything strange about me claiming that vaan should know that Coricus redirected King to Yellow but is still assuming that the block on him is from King?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Assuming there even is a block on him, I mean.

 

[Deleted member]

You don't see anything strange about me claiming that vaan should know that Coricus redirected King to Yellow but is still assuming that the block on him is from King?

Tbh, I guess so. But still, it makes me question, if Vaan is Mafia, how did he think he could get away with such a thing. And it doesn't take away the fact KoP still acted suspiciously. Regardless, the death of one of them should answer tge alignment of the other.

Also, did you get anything useful from your lie detecting skill this Night?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Tbh, I guess so. But still, it makes me question, if Vaan is Mafia, how did he think he could get away with such a thing. And it doesn't take away the fact KoP still acted suspiciously. Regardless, the death of one of them should answer tge alignment of the other.

Also, did you get anything useful from your lie detecting skill this Night?

I checked King's claim regarding whether he targeted Apollo the Night before we lynched him, the reason why he felt like Apollo was innocent.

It came up true.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Your only "evidence" against me is one very circumstantial moment. Need I remind you that I voted for Apollo first before suggesting that Apollo might not be mafia , on Day 3, when we had considerably more living villains. Not only that, I never said he couldn't be mafia. I suggested he might not be for a brief period of time, solely because the night I attempted to stop him, two villains died the next day anyway. Hell, I never even said he wasn't likely scum; I said he probably wasn't the one conducting the main kills, which unless I'm mistaken is the power that belongs to the God Father, which is the role that very likely belongs to one of you, Vaan or Shish. Everything you've got form that single day is nothing but circumstantial evidence, an it's not very strong evidence, at that. The rest of your "evidence" is made from a bunch of lies.

Were it not for the fact that one of the proven villains/towns were also suspicious of Crusher, I'd likely be voting for you again, praline.

That said........

Vote: Apollo

More than a few of us have been wary of you. If today's flavor is to be believed, then we've also got Kirby Dragons confirmed as a townie. This is lowering down how many options were got here.

I mean, three players initially voted for you today. I'm far from the only one who's been suspicious of you. You weren't the only vigilante claim, either, if I'm not mistaken. Considering that, people have a right to be wary of you.

I admit I actually would've instead targeted Crusher, who by all means brought a high amount of suspicion on himself, but I had heard that other players already had their sights set on him last night, so I switched my target to you. I didn't want to risk going the night without at least using one of my powers on a suspect.

I won't blame you for not trusting me after that, there's only so much else I can do to prove myself, but it's evident that you're not entirely trusted, either.

That aside for now, though. It looks like today is either gonna be focused on testing all the lynchproof claims, and/or taking praline out as well for lying.

I didn't cover for anything. Hell, I was one of the people who initially voted for Apollo last day phase, I don't trust the guy myself. I kept the vote until the town came up with and agreed to the "tie all lynchproof claims" plan, so I just decided to roll along with that instead.

You've got no evidence against me but "he's an unverified role blocker" and "he suggested Apollo may not be the God Father". I didn't vouch for him. I never did.

 

[Deleted member]

I checked King's claim regarding whether he targeted Apollo the Night before we lynched him, the reason why he felt like Apollo was innocent.

It came up true.

Ok, that changes things.

Unvote: KingofPhantoms
Vote: Vaanrose

Next time, startvyour argument with that, please.
It's possible King still has that ability as Mafia but I find it unlikely he would actually waste it like that.


Also, for the record, I hid behind Zeb from his own suggestion. He can confirm that he offered himself to me if you talk to him next Night.

KingofPhantoms
Finally, did you or did you not receive my spot?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Ok, that changes things.

Unvote: KingofPhantoms
Vote: Vaanrose

Next time, startvyour argument with that, please.

Well I had already said so earlier.

I can confirm that King did indeed target Apollo with an ability of his that Night.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

KingofPhantoms
Finally, did you or did you not receive my spot?

Yes, I did receive the spot.

 

[Deleted member]

Well I had already said so earlier.

...
Ok, I must have missed that then, I apologize.
Probably not a good idea to skim through the thread.

 

[vaanrose]

You don't see anything strange about me claiming that vaan should know that Coricus redirected King to Yellow but is still assuming that the block on him is from King?

That's why I asked Yellow if anything had happened to him first, and why I asked Shish if he hid behind Zeb. I was trying to see if Cori had been able to get her redirect off.

Let me ask you this, because you should know, what is the flavor of Aem's kidnap?

Because when Natz jailed Apollo, I was told I was unable to repossess his ability, and I was told just that. I was unable to repossess.

But last night I attempted to repossess from Zeb. It follows I'd be unable to repossess from someone taken out of the game, but I was very explicitly told I was blocked.

 

[vaanrose]

Your only "evidence" against me is one very circumstantial moment. Need I remind you that I voted for Apollo first before suggesting that Apollo might not be mafia , on Day 3, when we had considerably more living villains. Not only that, I never said he couldn't be mafia. I suggested he might not be for a brief period of time, solely because the night I attempted to stop him, two villains died the next day anyway. Hell, I never even said he wasn't likely scum; I said he probably wasn't the one conducting the main kills, which unless I'm mistaken is the power that belongs to the God Father, which is the role that very likely belongs to one of you, Vaan or Shish. Everything you've got form that single day is nothing but circumstantial evidence, an it's not very strong evidence, at that. The rest of your "evidence" is made from a bunch of lies.





You've got no evidence against me but "he's an unverified role blocker" and "he suggested Apollo may not be the God Father". I didn't vouch for him. I never did.

I'll readily admit I misremembered your post about saying Apollo wasn't the one performing the kills as saying Apollo wasn't mafia.

However.

Yes, I did receive the spot.

Praline died the night before last because he couldn't pass on the spot.

Shish passed on the spot to you that same night.

You're only just NOW claiming this, a full day later.

AFTER claiming to have used a power on Ram.

You'd be dead right now if you didn't pass on the spot.

Explain.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'll readily admit I misremembered your post about saying Apollo wasn't the one performing the kills as saying Apollo wasn't mafia.

However.



Praline died the night before last because he couldn't pass on the spot.

Shish passed on the spot to you that same night.

You're only just NOW claiming this, a full day later.

AFTER claiming to have used a power on Ram.

You'd be dead right now if you didn't pass on the spot.

Explain.

Vaan.

I received the spot last night.

 

[vaanrose]

Vaan.

I received the spot last night.

Alright, my mistake again, I didn't realize Shish said he got his spot back and thus had it for two nights.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Alright, my mistake again, I didn't realize Shish said he got his spot back and thus had it for two nights.

Wait a minute... it just clicked in my head. lol

You can't have the spot two Nights in a row without dying.

I suspect he is not telling the truth.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

That's why I asked Yellow if anything had happened to him first, and why I asked Shish if he hid behind Zeb. I was trying to see if Cori had been able to get her redirect off.

Let me ask you this, because you should know, what is the flavor of Aem's kidnap?

Because when Natz jailed Apollo, I was told I was unable to repossess his ability, and I was told just that. I was unable to repossess.

But last night I attempted to repossess from Zeb. It follows I'd be unable to repossess from someone taken out of the game, but I was very explicitly told I was blocked.

You can indeed target a player who is being kidnapped, according to AEM.

That being said, what would have stopped Coricus? If you say you are blocked, then how was she prevented from acting? Anyone who stopped her from acting, if that is the case, clearly is not a villain because we all knew Cori was pure evil.

 

[vaanrose]

You can indeed target a player who is being kidnapped, according to AEM.

That being said, what would have stopped Coricus? If you say you are blocked, then how was she prevented from acting? Anyone who stopped her from acting, if that is the case, clearly is not a villain because we all knew Cori was pure evil.

She died?

Does that not prevent her skill from going off?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

She died?

Does that not prevent her skill from going off?

Swamp Sensei

Can you confirm death blocks your action?

 

[AEMehr]

Ohhhhhhhhhh~ senpai I've been waiting for you.

Vote: Shishoe

 

[vaanrose]

You can indeed target a player who is being kidnapped, according to AEM.

Okay, I told you guys I was going to repossess from Zeb. I've claimed today my target was Zeb. And this whole time I've been saying I was explicitly blocked, despite him being removed from the game and that alone possibly being enough to stop my attempt. I couldn't know how Aem's kidnap works. Hell, even last night if you re-read our conversation, I thought it functioned exactly like a normal nightkill, which is why I requested you test it on Zeb over Shish, since I thought it would test his bulletproof.
And yet, you now say that you can target someone being kidnapped, and therefore, had I not been blocked, I'd have his ability info right now. Which means the only reason I don't, is because I was blocked.

 

[vaanrose]

You know, Ura , I've seen you lurk several times, and yesterday all you did was ****post. Half this game is dayphase debates, which you've stayed completely out of, and I'm already suspicious of you being a goon without an apparent master.

 

[Ura]

You know, Ura , I've seen you lurk several times, and yesterday all you did was ****post. Half this game is dayphase debates, which you've stayed completely out of, and I'm already suspicious of you being a goon without an apparent master.

I'm just reading up what's going on in the thread.

I feel that casting a vote would be picking a side between you, Holder, and Shish. I just don't want to jeopardize my chances of finding my boss.

 

[vaanrose]

I'm just reading up what's going on in the thread.

I feel that casting a vote would be picking a side between you, Holder, and Shish. I just don't want to jeopardize my chances of finding my boss.

Right now it's a threeway tie. All three of us will die. Further, considering he hasn't been active since Friday, GRC is itching for a hostkill.

That means 4 out of 12 players will be dead, maybe even 5 depending on how Aem's kidnapping goes.

Vote for me, vote for King, vote for Shish, that's up to you. But vote. Otherwise you won't even get a chance to find your boss.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait a minute... it just clicked in my head. lol

You can't have the spot two Nights in a row without dying.

I suspect he is not telling the truth.

Read Crusher's Role PM, the spot goes back if the person one tries to send the spot to dies. I sent it to Praline, he died, it came back to me. Not passing would kill me, but passing and receiving it back doesn't.
If you have any doubts on any of my claims until now, just pick a quote of mine and have it checked toNight.



I really don't think this threeway tie is going to work, we have few players remaining which makes it highly risky, so either we decide between one of us three or we just lynch Ura to be safe. We can either gamble or play it safe.

 

[Ura]

The voting is actually 2 V 2 V 1 IIRC. But since you really want me to, I think King is the most suspicious here after what you said. He has my vote..

Vote: KingofPhantoms

 

[vaanrose]

The voting is actually 2 V 2 V 1 IIRC. But since you really want me to, I think King is the most suspicious here after what you said. He has my vote..

Vote: KingofPhantoms

It was

2 votes King - Me and Yellow
2 votes Shish - Holder and Aem
2 votes me - Shish and King

 

[AEMehr]

Take your vote off, I think it's more interesting if all three die.

 

[Deleted member]

Take your vote off, I think it's more interesting if all three die.

Then you're just ensuring two Townies die :/

 

[RamOne]

Vote: Shishoe

 

[KingofPhantoms]

The voting is actually 2 V 2 V 1 IIRC. But since you really want me to, I think King is the most suspicious here after what you said. He has my vote..

Vote: KingofPhantoms

How.

Did you even read anything that Holder and I pointed out.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Swamp Sensei

Can you confirm death blocks your action?

No it does not

 

[Deleted member]

Vote: Shishoe

Remember this when I flip Town