TheLifeRuiner
Smash Lord
i wish i could help but the only icies i ever play is fly amanita...and that's not often so he devestates me or he switches characters and devestates me
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Thanks a ton. I figured I should've tried to Up B more, and yeah, I have a tendency to fastfall through platforms when I miss an Up B due to it being better on most other characters. Obviously not against icies though!*awesome advice*
Your Falco friend plays like my falco friend before he turned all campy lmao. I learn to get around it though. First off just keep walking up on him and hitting with the tip of your ftilt. He's gonna stop shooting lasers because he is then trading hits with u. He'll probably try to approach after that point with dairs or nair..If he nairs and u are at a low percent, just Crouch Cancel dmash before he shines. If he tries with a dair shield and upb. When he is approaching to grab u just dodge and dsmash right away. I hope u use the c-stick it helps alot to buffer some moves out of dodge.hey firstly thanks for the comments, i've been practicing on my movement a lot today so that's getting a tad better. i made the attempt to stay grounded as well.
well sunuva...i played my falco buddy again tonight, and got my arse royally destroyed...(well maybe not royally, i'd say i lost 60% of the matches). but i can't seem to find a decent way to approach falco...so i just end up dashing him and getting shield grabbed. and or i try and bait him to attack my shield so i can upB but then just get dash grabbed. frustration frustration frustration
Dude first thing; first is UTILT edgeguard spacies. I never seen u even once use it. Secondly ya falco friend play like my annoying falco friend. I haven't uploaded new vids with us playing, but there styles are similar and the bad part is u do the samething i used to do.Hey guys, could you spare some time to critique a video or two so that I may become the best in the world with my chocolate Samus?
(or being a bit more realistic, the best in my country)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpBhPuwA8g
(Vs. Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q0Vesni1uE
(Vs. Fox)
I realize the sets are long as ****, so I guess it might not be a bad idea to just watch the first match in each set or something. I feel like I generally know what to improve on, but I'm still feeling a bit limited so I think perhaps I'm missing some new ideas to implement into my game or something.
Anyway any critique would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
EDIT: To clarify, while they are both matches vs. space animals, I'm open for critique in general, but I guess I'm starting to find the space animal matchup a bit harder than I used to, so general match-up advice is appreciated too.
Not sure what you mean by this. Generally, it seems like most Falcos jump through your shield with a dair/nair and run away to camp more. While I realize UpB is a ridicolously effective tool, you're not threatening him in any way by running up and shielding so I'm not sure how you'd bait a spotdodge from that.Run up in his face more and shield and once he dodge up-b oos (You wanna bait the dodge btw)
I use bombs to fake out the opponent then up b.I'm usually pretty good with utilting to edgeguard spacies, but I think I messed up in those matches haha. I realize it's really good though, so thanks for reminding me. I do it in the match vs. Fox, and heartbreakingly, I miss an obvious utilt edgeguard in one of the later matches that basically cost me the match.
Not sure what you mean by this. Generally, it seems like most Falcos jump through your shield with a dair/nair and run away to camp more. While I realize UpB is a ridicolously effective tool, you're not threatening him in any way by running up and shielding so I'm not sure how you'd bait a spotdodge from that.
Either way I appreciate the input and I'll take a look at your vid.
I'm reminded that I have a hard time getting back on stage when I'm on the edge (see the end of the first match vs. Falco for a good example). What do you generally find to be the safest way? I had a bad habit of rolling onto the stage for a while which everyone picked up on, so I try to refrain from doing that too much now.
When i said that i mean like this. I notice when u go for a dash grab he spot dodges and then shines you or something. Instead of dash and grabbing, dash and shield in his face, he'll think u are trying to grab and get faked out. The quickest attack u have from that is up-b oos. I was just showing u a good mindgame to use on opponents that like to wait on samus laggy grab and how to suprise em.I'm usually pretty good with utilting to edgeguard spacies, but I think I messed up in those matches haha. I realize it's really good though, so thanks for reminding me. I do it in the match vs. Fox, and heartbreakingly, I miss an obvious utilt edgeguard in one of the later matches that basically cost me the match.
Not sure what you mean by this. Generally, it seems like most Falcos jump through your shield with a dair/nair and run away to camp more. While I realize UpB is a ridicolously effective tool, you're not threatening him in any way by running up and shielding so I'm not sure how you'd bait a spotdodge from that.
Either way I appreciate the input and I'll take a look at your vid.
I'm reminded that I have a hard time getting back on stage when I'm on the edge (see the end of the first match vs. Falco for a good example). What do you generally find to be the safest way? I had a bad habit of rolling onto the stage for a while which everyone picked up on, so I try to refrain from doing that too much now.
I can't help but feel that this is terrible advice. Samus has like the worst oos options in the entire higher tier (only upb is remotely good). Why would you walk close to them and shield, giving up alot of your mobility and spacing-potenial in the hopes that he will spotdodge? Falco can just run away or space his **** so your upb won't hit. Even when you actually DO hit, he can potentially DI out of the up-b and end up damaging you more than you manage him.Run up in his face more and shield and once he dodge up-b oos (You wanna bait the dodge btw)
The advice was giving to fight THAT falco. besides i said it was more of a mindgame than anything. When u fight falco's as samus u wanna be CLOSE to him not far away. If you stay away from falco he will spam u to death with laser's. That falco will never approach.I can't help but feel that this is terrible advice. Samus has like the worst oos options in the entire higher tier (only upb is remotely good). Why would you walk close to them and shield, giving up alot of your mobility and spacing-potenial in the hopes that he will spotdodge? Falco can just run away or space his **** so your upb won't hit. Even when you actually DO hit, he can potentially DI out of the up-b and end up damaging you more than you manage him.
samus OoS game does suckI can't help but feel that this is terrible advice. Samus has like the worst oos options in the entire higher tier (only upb is remotely good). Why would you walk close to them and shield, giving up alot of your mobility and spacing-potenial in the hopes that he will spotdodge? Falco can just run away or space his **** so your upb won't hit. Even when you actually DO hit, he can potentially DI out of the up-b and end up damaging you more than you manage him.
Do you main samus? I see you using fox and i would think you would rather go fox vs hard opponents than use her. Also if you read it well enough i said THAT FALCO. Unless those bold letters don't mean anything. I said it was more of a mindgame than anything, which is kinda telling him (situational at best) . Nothing used in smash is concrete in my opinion. I also stated that instead of saying *Ohh i don't think that is a good idea.*(Adds no alternative means of accomplishing said objective) You should be like *oh orn, maybe the up-b oos isn't a good idea in your situation *TRY THIS* That is what i am saying. I don't wanna debate or discuss stuff unless it is helpful to samus mains.@3: So you're agreeing that running up and shielding is a good thing? It might be decent against breaking mindless shield pressure, but that shouldn't occur anyway. Spaced shieldpressure is where it's at against Samus as a spacie, if you ask me.
@abcool: These are discussion boards, and just because he takes advice from anyone doesn't mean i can't dispute your opinion. My "sources" about the OoS options of Samus comes from personal experience. While i do agree that the screw attack can be pretty good, i think the fact that it's the only reliable attacking option out of shield for Samus, and that it's sooo punishable on a miss makes her OoS pretty weak. I'm guessing some backwards wavedashing OoS could work, but that's pretty slow.
Personally, i don't think it's too hard to DI out of upB. I usually do it a few times each set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q0Vesni1uE#t=1m48s
@3: So you're agreeing that running up and shielding is a good thing? It might be decent against breaking mindless shield pressure, but that shouldn't occur anyway. Spaced shieldpressure is where it's at against Samus as a spacie, if you ask me.
This is 100% right.I main Fox, and i was just making a small comment about your statement. I think that's adding to the discussion, but let's leave that be!
After watching some Samus vs spacies it does indeed seem like a valid option, but i'm only asking whether being in a shield next to a space-animal is a situation you should WANT to be in? Especially against Falco (probably less against Fox, idk), as 3 is saying, you are no doubt going to end close to him in your shield - but wouldn't it be better to make him do something which you can react to, rather than hampering your own possibilities by actively trying to get into a disadvantageous position? I mean, trying to play reactively instead of running up, shielding and hoping that he won't beat your *** for it.
But yeah, about the OoS options, i'd say that Up-B should be used situationally (like you point out), while wavedashing seems like a far more valid choice, since this gives you back your spacing tools like the ftilt and CC. I'm just a Fox main, so i might be wrong on this.
About the lasers, which is pointed out earlier, you really want to learn to powershield pretty consistently, especially against Falco. It helps sooo much and makes the Falco really confused if you're good enough at it. At worst, it forces him to think about laser-altitude and faking out lasers, which ends up making him an easier opponent and takes alot off alot of pressure.
Wanna know a secret?>_>
Wanna know a secret?
I miss about 75% of my L-Cancels.
And I'm still working on wavedashing.
You can get pretty far in Melee without those things, but they do help a ton.
I mean, Samus's aerials don't have all that much lag to begin with, and you can autocancel them pretty well too.
I just use fox and camp them to death on dreamland. I also have a nice marth, but i hardly use samus vs sheik.... Sheiks here aren't tope thank god, so i don't have to worry about a great tech chase, but the follow ups are a pain to deal with and gimping my recovery hurts.duck out styles are way too different. You definitely has "it" though. (Could be called yomi, knowing, flow, or whatever.) Learned some new things watching. For example: I'm way too hesitant to just do stuff, and would much rather wait for an opportunity. Dart puts it as you go harder than I do. I'll critique when I'm not eagerly waiting p5 results.
W8 you don't do only samus? There is another way?