Varied Competitive Brawl Stagelist.

[Hylian]

The point of this topic is to share some views of mine on different stage lists. I'm going for lists that will please conservatives to people who love to play everything. Keep in mind these lists are in no way official. I personally love the SBR rule set and would recommend using it. If you don't like it however or are a TO and get complaints then I hope to offer you some options to fall back on to without too much backlash from your community.

I've gone through each of these stages. I've played most of the legal ones in tournament and have experience playing on all of them in general.

Here we go:

Use Stage striking to decide the first match as it is much better then random. For this you need an odd number of neutrals.

For practical purposes, I'm going to label these in ABC format.

List A:

Starter:

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville

Counterpick:

Yoshi's Island
Castle Siege
Delfino
Halberd
Lylat Cruise
Pokémon Stadium 1
Frigate Orpheon
Brinstar
Rainbow Cruise

Banned:

Corneria
Distant Planet
Green Hill Zone
Jungle Japes
Luigi's Mansion
Norfair
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokémon Stadium 2
Yoshi's Island (Pipes)
Green Greens
Mario Circuit
Onett
Port Town Aero Dive
Skyworld
75m
Big Blue
Bridge of Eldin
Flat Zone 2
Hanenbow
Hyrule Temple
Mario Bros.
Mushroomy Kingdom I
Mushroomy Kingdom II
New Pork City
Rumble Falls
Shadow Moses
Spear Pillar
The Summit
Wario Ware




List B:

Starter:

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island
Pokémon Stadium 1

Counterpick:

Castle Siege
Delfino
Halberd
Lylat Cruise
Frigate Orpheon
Brinstar
Rainbow Cruise
Jungle Japes
Norfair
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokémon Stadium 2


Banned:

Corneria
Distant Planet
Green Hill Zone
Luigi's Mansion
Yoshi's Island (Pipes)
Green Greens
Mario Circuit
Onett
Port Town Aero Dive
Skyworld
75m
Big Blue
Bridge of Eldin
Flat Zone 2
Hanenbow
Hyrule Temple
Mario Bros.
Mushroomy Kingdom I
Mushroomy Kingdom II
New Pork City
Rumble Falls
Shadow Moses
Spear Pillar
The Summit
Wario Ware


List C:

Starter:

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island
Pokémon Stadium 1
Castle Siege
Delfino
Halberd
Lylat Cruise

Counterpick:

Frigate Orpheon
Brinstar
Rainbow Cruise
Jungle Japes
Norfair
Pictochat
Pirate Ship
Pokémon Stadium 2
Corneria
Distant Planet
Green Hill Zone
Luigi's Mansion
Yoshi's Island (Pipes)
Green Greens
Mario Circuit
Port Town Aero Dive


Banned:

Onett
Skyworld
75m
Big Blue
Bridge of Eldin
Flat Zone 2
Hanenbow
Hyrule Temple
Mario Bros.
Mushroomy Kingdom I
Mushroomy Kingdom II
New Pork City
Rumble Falls
Shadow Moses
Spear Pillar
The Summit
Wario Ware


I used a different philosophy for each of these lists and I think it will be pretty noticeable.

As far as an actual rule set goes, I have no problem with the SBR's. I suggest using it. These are just stage lists.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Nice job Hylian

 

[TheManaLord]

A- Least Scrubby
B- Scrubby
C- Most Scrubby

 

[Deleted member]

Can I use this?

 

[Zankoku]

A - East Coast
B - Midwest
C - Texas

 

[Hylian]

Can I use this?

Yes. You may.

 

[Skyflyer]

List A FTW


..

 

[Skyflyer]

Also, why the **** is everyone coming up with stage lists all of a sudden?

 

[Hylian]

Also, why the **** is everyone coming up with stage lists all of a sudden?

Everyone? It's just Umbreon and I.

For good reason as well.

 

[Skyflyer]

Everyone? It's just Umbreon and I.

For good reason as well.

Don't forget that noob Calibur Champ. He made a list that suggests 75m should be legal.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205251

 

[CaliburChamp]

Don't forget that noob Calibur Champ. He made a list that suggests 75m should be legal.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205251

You idiot, I've made my topic before even Hylian and Umbreon made theirs, its in the Stage Discussion thread. And me n00b? I've been playing smash since it first came out, you have no idea what balances the game out.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I really don't understand how Onett is so bad, especially compared to Mario Circuit. Comparing the two side by side, it would seem obvious that Onett is the more fair level. It's just harder to abuse the walk-offs; that seems like the biggest difference to me.

Likewise, it's strange to me that Pirate Ship would be grouped among the less offensive stages. That water stalling seems really ridiculous to me and obviously ban-worthy; what's the real counter to that?

Really, if Pirate Ship and Onett are switched on the third ruleset, I think it would be pretty awesome. Ruleset 3 is definitely better than 1 and 2 though at least the game would still be fun with ruleset 2...

 

[Hylian]

I really don't understand how Onett is so bad, especially compared to Mario Circuit. Comparing the two side by side, it would seem obvious that Onett is the more fair level. It's just harder to abuse the walk-offs; that seems like the biggest difference to me.

Likewise, it's strange to me that Pirate Ship would be grouped among the less offensive stages. That water stalling seems really ridiculous to me and obviously ban-worthy; what's the real counter to that?

Really, if Pirate Ship and Onett are switched on the third ruleset, I think it would be pretty awesome. Ruleset 3 is definitely better than 1 and 2 though at least the game would still be fun with ruleset 2...

Water Stalling doesn't work. It's hard to explain, but I have shown several people in person why. It's rather easy to get around.

Onett has static walls on all side. You can't camp either side to avoid them. The places you can camp, there are walk-offs. This makes it possible for almost every character to get wall locks super easy anywhere on this stage. It has nothing to do with the walk-offs or DDD.

Mario Circuit - Don't play a character that can be chaingrabbed by DDD against DDD here. You will never play this stage first match, so you should always know when you have to fight DDD here. Camp the top platforms, or just ban the stage outright. Or play DDD.

 

[choknater]

I love these lists. I'd say A is the way to go, but the others would be pretty **** fun as well and if I ever went to MW I'd expect to see some of those funsies.

 

[Grunt]

If list A had Luigi's Mansion.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Greenstreet]

You idiot, I've made my topic before even Hylian and Umbreon made theirs, its in the Stage Discussion thread. And me n00b? I've been playing smash since it first came out, you have no idea what balances the game out.

When you make something holds no strength on its credibility, but its content... These lists are much better than yours...

I am startin to grow fond of your nubness, it makes me laff.

 

[deepseadiva]

If list B had Luigi's Mansion.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I completly agree.

List A is much too conservative, List C is way too liberal. List C I see as juuuuust right. I approve.

 

[MuBa]

I completly agree.

List A is much too conservative, List C is way too liberal. List B I see as juuuuust right. I approve.

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[SothE700k]

List A seems to be a little TOO tightened up. Almost all the stages with any possible variety have been thrown out. We're really only seeing flat land with occasional platforms thrown into the mix (boring)

List B adds a bit more, has some variety to it and lets characters have more of an advantage on others (counter picking becomes more interesting/more of a necessity of a skill to have)

List C has the bolt too loose, allowing some stages to become "Wtf? That's allowed?" factors. Things that could cost us the match will become apparent such as cars to nail us, infinities on the walls, among other things.

For competitive, I personally like the B list, but hey, for casuals or even to mix it up, maybe C.
A? *bleck*

You idiot, I've made my topic before even Hylian and Umbreon made theirs, its in the Stage Discussion thread. And me n00b? I've been playing smash since it first came out, you have no idea what balances the game out.

I suggest you quit and save yourself any credibility that you may have left.
Apparently, unless you can come up with some ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC, AMAZING OMFG MY HEAD WILL EXPLODE! reason for why 75m, Mario Bros, and New Pork should be allowed, you ain't winning.

I'm just sayin.

 

[AlphaZealot]

I never bought the water stalling argument, but thats because Diddy *****.

As a Diddy player I like list A.

As a person who likes theory/watching how things progress, I would probably like mix of B/C (for example, in B, the main change I would make it to allow Corneria).

 

[Crizthakidd]

idk why pokemon stadium 2 is cp sometimes -_____- norfair is also very iffy

 

[Hylian]

I never bought the water stalling argument, but thats because Diddy *****.

As a Diddy player I like list A.

As a person who likes theory/watching how things progress, I would probably like mix of B/C (for example, in B, the main change I would make it to allow Corneria).

Yeah, my favorite list would be B with corneria added.

 

[Wayland]

idk why pokemon stadium 2 is cp sometimes -_____- norfair is also very iffy

I feel like PKS2 is not an awful stage. I feel like people dislike it more because of the way it can change the game, rather than specific balance issues. I feel like the three big bones of contention are the ice, the wind, and the conveyors, all three of which are game changing (especially the wind and conveyors), but I don't think that any of them are game breaking. I might be ignorant, though.

 

[Ayaz18]

list B seems the most fair, every neutral/counter has some advantage to everycharacter. This is why I approve list B because it gives every character the chance to win (temporary walls ,many platforms, water, lave, etc.)

but that's me.........

 

[MuBa]

I got ***** in Skyworld the other day in a tournament just because I wasn't acquainted with its stupidity...that stage should definitely be banned.

 

[AlphaZealot]

I ***** someone on Skyworld yesterday because they weren't acquainted with how to play on the stage.

 

[Max Ketchum]

List A is pretty clearly the best option, though I think either Lylat or Yoshi's should be neutral (but not both). If I were to make my own list, it'd be something like this:

List D (har har, D for Doom):

Neutral:

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island/Lylat Cruise (pick one)

Counterpick:

Brinstar
Castle Siege
Delfino Plaza
Frigate Orpheon
Halberd
Norfair
Pokémon Stadium (Melee)
Rainbow Cruise
Yoshi's Island/Lylat Cruise (whichever one you didn't pick as a neutral)

Everything else is banned (I don't want to waste a ****load of page space with the banned stages). It's slightly more liberal than the original List A, while not as liberal as B or C. I really don't think Norfair should be banned, and four neutrals is enough. Lots of people either strike or ban Yoshi's/Lylat, so only having one as a neutral is very reasonable. Both stages screw lots of characters, so it's up to the TO I suppose.

 

[Deoxys]

I got ***** in Skyworld the other day in a tournament just because I wasn't acquainted with its stupidity...that stage should definitely be banned.

Yes, clearly if you lost on a stage because you weren't familiar with it it should definitely be banned.

/sarcasm


Hylian, great lists and all, but WTF is with Distant Planet, Yoshi's Island (Melee), and Luigi's Mansion (and similarly, Skyworld) not being on list B? The best in my opinion is B with these stages added. No Skyworld in list C? WTF!? In what alternate universe is Green Hill Zone fairer than Skyworld? Also, FD more fair than YI? How do you figure? Finally, even if it's hard to explain why water camping doesn't work, can you try to? I always assumed its effectiveness was limited by the inherent helplessness of swimming, but I'd like to hear what you think.

List A is pretty clearly the best option, though I think either Lylat or Yoshi's should be neutral (but not both). If I were to make my own list, it'd be something like this:

List D (har har, D for Doom):

Neutral:

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island/Lylat Cruise (pick one)

Counterpick:

Brinstar
Castle Siege
Delfino Plaza
Frigate Orpheon
Halberd
Norfair
Pokémon Stadium (Melee)
Rainbow Cruise
Yoshi's Island/Lylat Cruise (whichever one you didn't pick as a neutral)

Ya, GL stage striking when there are 4 starters.

 

[Delta_BP26]

I like the 3rd one best. More varied.

 

[Blackbelt]

I like List C the most, since I honestly believe the geographical advantage and disadvantage is very much a factor in brawl, but I see List B as a nice compromise.



Hate list A

 

[Max Ketchum]

Yes, clearly if you lost on a stage because you weren't familiar with it it should definitely be banned.

/sarcasm

The stage is banworthy anyway.

Hylian, great lists and all, but WTF is with Distant Planet, Yoshi's Island (Melee), and Luigi's Mansion (and similarly, Skyworld) not being on list B? The best in my opinion is B with these stages added. No Skyworld in list C? WTF!? In what alternate universe is Green Hill Zone fairer than Skyworld? Also, FD more fair than YI? How do you figure? Finally, even if it's hard to explain why water camping doesn't work, can you try to? I always assumed its effectiveness was limited by the inherent helplessness of swimming, but I'd like to hear what you think.

Distant Planet...lol...are you serious? Walkoff edges, Bulborb, waterfall thing, extremely limited floor space...yeah.

Yoshi's Island = walkoffs.

Luigi's Mansion, lol...ceiling hax and major camping. Watch Toasty vs. Plank.

Why the hell do you like Skyworld so much? It's an awful stage. Ceilings are pretty stupid, especially when they can spike you to your death. It's just as unfair as GHZ. FD is fairer than Yoshi's because it doesn't completely **** with some characters due to the slant on the stage. Falco especially hates that stage.

Ya, GL stage striking when there are 4 starters.

Striking only works for the first time the stage shows up on random. It wouldn't hold up tournaments much at all.

 

[Hylian]

The stage is banworthy anyway.



Distant Planet...lol...are you serious? Walkoff edges, Bulborb, waterfall thing, extremely limited floor space...yeah.

Yoshi's Island = walkoffs.

Luigi's Mansion, lol...ceiling hax and major camping. Watch Toasty vs. Plank.

Why the hell do you like Skyworld so much? It's an awful stage. Ceilings are pretty stupid, especially when they can spike you to your death. It's just as unfair as GHZ. FD is fairer than Yoshi's because it doesn't completely **** with some characters due to the slant on the stage. Falco especially hates that stage.



Striking only works for the first time the stage shows up on random. It wouldn't hold up tournaments much at all.

You obviously don't know what stage striking is lol.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Actually, yes I do. In quite a few tourneys I've been to, the strike only applies ONE time. For example, if you strike FD and it comes up on random, you reset the match. If it comes up again, you play the match.

 

[Hylian]

Actually, yes I do. In quite a few tourneys I've been to, the strike only applies ONE time. For example, if you strike FD and it comes up on random, you reset the match. If it comes up again, you play the match.

Again, you obviously don't know what stage striking is lol.

Stage striking does not involve random.

 

[deepseadiva]

Distant Planet...lol...are you serious? Walkoff edges, Bulborb, waterfall thing, extremely limited floor space...yeah.

The walkoff I can understand, but the rest of the "hazards" are possibly the most obvious in the game. And "extremely limited floor space"? Huh?

Fixed

Thanks, what I meant.

 

[Max Ketchum]

Hylian, bans and strikes are two different things...Maybe down in Texas you do things differently, but in almost every NJ tourney I've been to, you strike a neutral (reset the first time it comes on random) and ban another stage.

 

[Max Ketchum]

The walkoff I can understand, but the rest of the "hazards" are possibly the most obvious in the game. And "extremely limited floor space"? Huh?

The main platform of the stage is quite small. Yes, the hazards are obvious, but they're still stupid. (Sorry for the double post.)

 

[deepseadiva]

Hylian, bans and strikes are two different things...Maybe down in Texas you do things differently, but in almost every NJ tourney I've been to, you strike a neutral (reset the first time it comes on random) and ban another stage.

Those are some odd tourney rules. The stage striking system completly replaces the use of random.

The main platform of the stage is quite small. Yes, the hazards are obvious, but they're still stupid. (Sorry for the double post.)

I wouldn't even consider them hazards. More like, "slightly dangerous stage affects." The platform size is fine, and even if it was small, that shouldn't affect it's legality in the least.

 

[Flamingo777]

This is a hard one.. A!!!, Pirate Ship on B AND C???? GET A LIFE, US WHO MAIN THOSE WITHOUT SPIKES WILL GET CPed EVERYTIME! ..Honestly I'd rather play skyworld rather than P Ship.

 

[Hylian]

Hylian, bans and strikes are two different things...Maybe down in Texas you do things differently, but in almost every NJ tourney I've been to, you strike a neutral (reset the first time it comes on random) and ban another stage.

I know bans and strikes are two different things. I have been going to smash tournaments since 2003.

You also still don't know what stage striking is. I reccomend you dispose of this ignorance as it's making you unable to even reason with me as you have no idea what I am talking about.

C'est le vie.