UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

[Inferno3044]

I didn't look at the PM when I answered. I just know what Uncle says and I must've incorrectly typed it lol.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Point proven.

 

[T-block]

am i the only one who thinks this AtE is unnatural and pretty uncharacteristic of inferno then?

i like my vote where it is... or would be if i had voted

wouldn't mind soup dead at all, but inferno still needs to go

 

[Zeke the Moth]

I'm quite perturbed that you think it's not natural, T-Block.

THE GODDAMN BATMAN INQUIRES WITH RESPECT TO AN EXPLANATION.

What makes you think Inferno's AtE is faked?

 

[Inferno3044]

am i the only one who thinks this AtE is unnatural and pretty uncharacteristic of inferno then?

i like my vote where it is... or would be if i had voted

wouldn't mind soup dead at all, but inferno still needs to go

Its kind of a personal problem and I would rather not go into it right now. I had a really rough day yesterday.

 

[Lore]

Is Uncle the guy from Jackie Chan Adventures?

And that AtE from Inferno is... odd. Odd as in making me feel odd about him, not that it's odd itself. It could easily have been faked, but I guess I can understand where he's coming from with it. If he had a rough day, then he had a rough day.

I don't think it makes him scummier, though. I'm willing to switch to Soup, I suppose.

 

[T-block]

it's over the top

"i'm bad, guys. i messed up. no, i WANT to be lynched, just lynch me. it's great that you think i'm town for the AtE, but i don't want that to be the reason you guys don't lynch me, but here's more AtE. i'll even vote myself" etc etc

idk... my gut is defs playing a part in this

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Your guts are wrong. We're going with Soup.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That was actually kinda funny.

Your gut is*

 

[Lore]

it's over the top

"i'm bad, guys. i messed up. no, i WANT to be lynched, just lynch me. it's great that you think i'm town for the AtE, but i don't want that to be the reason you guys don't lynch me, but here's more AtE. i'll even vote myself" etc etc

idk... my gut is defs playing a part in this

Actually, this just reminded me of something. This exact thing is exactly like Nabe's play in MM, and he was an indy in that...

However, after reading Brosuke's analysis of Inferno's posts (missed it before the last post I did), I have to say that I think that my early opinion of him being town is still correct, despite the AtE issues.

 

[T-block]

hold up, i'm rereading now

@inferno: fair enough... hope your day is better today, but i know you understand why i can't give you a pass for this

 

[Lore]

Your guts are wrong. We're going with Soup.

What, are you pulling out his guts and seeing the future, Darken Rahl style? (points if you get the reference; the first book was the best)

I'm fine with Soup, will post reasons when I get home from school.
Vote: Soup

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What, are you pulling out his guts and seeing the future, Darken Rahl style? (points if you get the reference; the first book was the best)

I'm fine with Soup, will post reasons when I get home from school.
Vote: Soup

loooool that's what I thought when I read that
but yeah if some of my sentences etc come out awkward, consider it the language barrier.

For example, when I posted yesterday that I wanted to make a good response to the ordeal, you gotta consider that the dutch "goed" (which is good, big surprise there) is actually used to define quality in a different way. A good reply would be a reply that has quality. **** like that gets to me sometimes, like Ryker mentioned. It even haunted me an entire game in Pokemafia.

Didn't know you know Sword of Truth, nice stuff. I've only read the first 2 books, though. Looked up the rest.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't know how to play as town and it sucks. It's probably why I'm here. In Upick it was obvious I was town because I was too stupid to be scum. I guess I can look on the bright side. It took 4 games for me to die. I just wish I was good. Being bad frustrates me.

Living is, in most cases, a sign that you aren't doing your job as town.

No, this doesn't make me happy. If you are town, then learn from it. Make your mistakes and improve. You aren't a moron, however, it's for that reason I'm not going to look at your AtE as anything more than that. Bravo if you're scum, that's not a bad last ditch effort.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

am i the only one who thinks this AtE is unnatural and pretty uncharacteristic of inferno then?

i like my vote where it is... or would be if i had voted

wouldn't mind soup dead at all, but inferno still needs to go

Thank God, some sense. Im out the door, bit I do have that vid, LAK.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

I do think AtE is uncharacteristic of him, but with alterier outside influences I can see it affecting him.

It has for me in past games.

I've never played in a game where scum offered themselves up like this, nor one where they give up like this saying just kill me where they flipped scum. The logic and the series of events doesn't look like scum motivation, if he was scum he would push harder on his scum picks and when giving up try to leave town in chaos.

Inferno isn't doing this, on the flip side I feel like Soup is trying to distance and play more transparent than Inferno has been.

Soup outright lied about having notes, it's not null either there is no reason to lie about something like that as town, scum does if it makes them look like a townie to hide in the crowd.

The main thing that does bug me with Inferno is the fact he is a role/flavor cop, when he have another cop. For all we know Zeke has an odd sanity, which is very likely if the role/flavor cop is the real cop though 90% of the time that role is scum aligned. Still feels like a null point but it does bug me having two cops, one being bulletproof on top of it though I beleive Zeke since it gets his result out there with us having to play guess work with his sanity, since he can't die via bullets.

Ryker I want those vids, they will be entertaining to me.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

****ing LAK you better listen to me/ryker/meadow when we say leave the claim alone for now.

 

[T-block]

Then there's post1 which has been pointed out by tblock:

look at 273 where he says acro is town

I believe the flavor crumb from soup says to me that he is of the same alignment as Acro. Currently I have soup as town and I have no problem putting Acro as town atm.

Okay I've looked. Then I looked at the explanation:

I interpreted Soup's flavor leak as that it was intended for Acro to see it (because I certainly don't). I don't see why scum would try and leak their flavor to a townie and I see it as Soup trusting Acro. I'm pretty confident on Souptown atm. Acro I just don't see as scum so more or less he's null leaning town.

Also, I like how you're playing a lot more than last night.

Unvote

Once again he's saying he doesn't know the flavor. His reasoning is ultimately off, but if you see it at the level of depth he's seeing it in, you can consider it good reasoning.

not sure i follow

the fact that his reasoning is off is exactly why it's suspect

his town read on acro comes from the fact that he is confident in soup being town, and he thinks that soup trusts acro? there's so much room for error there that it can't be considered good reasoning. first he has to be right about soup town. then he has to be right about the flavour leak meaning soup trusts acro (which it doesn't). then soup has to be right about acro.

the town read on acro is unsubstantiated. he has no solid reasoning for having acro as town, yet he still rejects the reasoning for acro being scum. that's why it's weird

 

[T-block]

Why don't you look back at your recent posts.



This post has no town intent. This is trying to out a power role which is better to be hidden, especially at this point in time.



Really? A vote for Acrostic is a vote for entertainment? Your wording is beyond atrocious. Be like Mr. Crocker and give yourself an F.

One more thing.



What's stopping you now from ask him other than you can't accidentally hammer him right now? If you have good questions and persuade me to think he's scum, I might put him at L-1.

This just REEKS of town to me. Anyone with me?

nah this is probably the most obvious instance of redirection to ryker imo

Well the quick hammer at least now has some justification. Would've at least liked to have heard Acro claim. I really hope I don't hate myself for this but I'm going to trust Ryker for now. Also I'm also gonna confirm his smog power to be true. I targeted him with my night action and it failed. I still want to know if his smog power can only target himself.

Unvote

looks towny to me

this is the only thing that would give me pause

i agree this is a pretty towny post that i don't think inferno could fake. idk if scum would bother to confirm the power, and if he were scum he would already know whether smog can only target himself...

the rest of your summary doesn't do anything for me though. trusting the claim is not townie... being suspicious of ryker being indy is not townie...

idk man

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Like I said, I can see where you're coming from, but can you see where Inferno is coming from?

He is confident in Soup being town
Thus,
Statement 1: Soupamario is a town player

He doesn't see the crumb, thus he concludes that it's somewhat of a hint as a townie to another townie. Scummies wouldn't hint that to each other, neither would scummy hint that to town or vice versa.
Thus,

Statement 2: The crumb is meant to go from town(Soupamario) to town
Mind you, we're looking at Inferno's reasoning here.

Conclusion: Soup trusts Acro and thus crumbs his flavor to another him.
As the crumb is meant to go from town to town, and Soupa (who is a solid townread to Inferno) gave it to Acro, thus making Acro a towny.


It's not scum reasoning it's just depthless reasoning (read: bad)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

nah this is probably the most obvious instance of redirection to ryker imo

Gotta put it in the context where Inferno has been disliking Ryker pretty much since the beginning.

the rest of your summary doesn't do anything for me though. trusting the claim is not townie... being suspicious of ryker being indy is not townie...

I'm not saying that because I trust his claim that he is towny. Well, I am, but I'm not expecting you to do so.

He also hasn't been suspicious of indyRyker, he's just been suspicious of antiTownFactionRyker, for his play reminded him of what his perception is of cardboard RykerScum. After that, he sees many of Ryker's action in a bad light because of this prejudice.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

EBWOP:
I'm not saying that because I trust his claim that he is towny. Well, I am, but I'm not expecting you to do so.
becomes

I'm not saying that I think he is town because I trust his claim. It certainly helps, but I'm not expecting you to see how his claim helps him being town, and I don't really want to go in on that except if Ryker really wants to hammer Inferno.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I have an interesting idea, but i'm going to need everyone to have the OK on it, i won't out it until there is mutual agreement, so let me know what you think of it.

and yes, it does involve my Power and my claim, if you're wondering.

@Mod Votecount please.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So, how many of you think Inferno is town? raise your hands and keep them up.
Okay, now how many of you think Inferno is scum? raise your hands and keep them up.

That is all i need to know right there, i don't need you to go in-depth and give me a case, i just want a simple "Town" or "Scum".

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Town .

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I feel like, Bro, you had a decent amount of fair points in your reread as to why Inferno is scum. But the feel that I'm getting is that you're too locked on your feel for townInferno. Like, a fair amount of the stuff posted are relatively moot, or can swing either way depending on how you look at it. Personally, TBlock's post on how he sees scumInferno is just more of the feel I get.

Plus, I'd see the AtE thing as much more of a townie PoV if it was feuled by the intent to grow as a player, so lynch me, rather than an I'm terrible at this game and it's not even worth it cuz people just think I'm dumb, so lynch me perspective... And... funny how he only got the latter mentality after insight?... Just my two cents.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm not budging after the reread.

You guys should see things from a different perspective. We're not lynching Inferno today.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

But the feel that I'm getting is that you're too locked on your feel for scumInferno. Like, a fair amount of the stuff posted are relatively moot, or can swing either way depending on how you look at it. Personally, Xoxo's post on how he sees townInferno is just more of the feel I get.

=/

It's weird thinking that I've been locked into townInferno when I asked more time as I wanted to confirm my town 'suspicion'.

It looks more like you guys are locked into scumInferno because of the overwhelming backup voice it gets. Objectively speaking, that is more logical.

 

[T-block]

brosuke scum if inferno scum? could it be that easy?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Just a heads up, I'm probably going to shorten the day lengths after this day ends. If you've got a problem with it let me know so I can maybe not do that.
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Vote Count​

Ryker [0]
Soup [3] - Brosuke, LAK, Werekill
Brosuke[0]
Werekill[0]
Kantrip[0]
Composer[0]
T-Block[0]
LAK[0]
Inferno[4] - Meadowsizzle, Gordito, Kantrip, Soup
Zeke The Moth[0]
Meadowsizzle[0]
Gordito [0]

​

Not voting: Ryker, Composer, T-Block, Inferno, Zeke The Moth

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline for D2 is set at December 2nd at 11:59 PM!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

cough werekill is voting soup

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Link me, I must of overlooked it

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What, are you pulling out his guts and seeing the future, Darken Rahl style? (points if you get the reference; the first book was the best)

I'm fine with Soup, will post reasons when I get home from school.
Vote: Soup

scrolling is hard i know

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

i still love you tho : (

 

[Zeke the Moth]

Inferno is Town.

@mod: I would object to shorter days unless there's a good reason you have for wanting to shorten them.

 

[Zeke the Moth]

So says the goddamn batman. >_<

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

brosuke scum if inferno scum? could it be that easy?

...Don't you think it'd be easier for a scumBro to just subcome to the votes on his scummate, rather than go the extra mile to defend his scum mate? I'd have to look it over after a scumInferno flip but *shrug*

 

[T-block]

yeah i guess

i don't even know anymore man

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Zeke get to voting Soup already

You too Inferno I see you watching, this is basically the only way to save your hide

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Tblock the fact that you're not voting on Inferno has me believing that you know I'm right

Kantrip you should vote Soup too cuz Inferno is town
Same for inactives

note: don't bring soup to -1

Let's overthrow the inferno wagon