UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wait, isn't a tracker pretty much useless? We're all pr's this game (I think?), and don't most pr's visit people? If anyone wants to explain, go ahead.

@Brosuke: Do we really need to say why that post was so bad? Really?

@Ryker: why ask Laundry?

Not useless for scum and not completely useless for town.

He knows my stance on the matter. I'm in favor of five day deadlines so people will move their ***. Short day 1 is why we're all still invested in the game and remember what's going on. That and my sparkling personality.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Reading too much into it. I warn you now. If nothing else, he's not dumb enough to do that as scum. He may not be town, but not for this.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I wasnt referring to his flip, but to if hes scum or not.

It comes down to this:

everyone thinks inferno is scum
i think his actions are scummy but his intentions not
i cant reread on inferno yet want to pursue how much truth mu intentread has, i cant remember the last time my gut failed me
i want to defend town if i think he is.

 

[Lore]

Not useless for scum and not completely useless for town.

He knows my stance on the matter. I'm in favor of five day deadlines so people will move their ***. Short day 1 is why we're all still invested in the game and remember what's going on. That and my sparkling personality.

Now that you mention it, I can see why it wouldn't be completely useless.

Oh, ok, fair enough. I was just wondering why you mentioned an outside player.

And I'm also now a fan of shorter days. There seems to be a lot more good, non-filler content when the pressure to vote before "deadline" (set or otherwise) is on. Continue, good sir.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Note that i never defended (or intended to) inferno, im just saying that my gut says town and i just want time is all

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

And plus things like Time Traveler D1 don't happen. Or is Majora's Mask the new hip long game?

 

[Lore]

Reading too much into it. I warn you now. If nothing else, he's not dumb enough to do that as scum. He may not be town, but not for this.

Brosuke? Fair enough.

Anyway, my final thoughts on the Inferno wagon before bed:

I don't really like it. After a reread, I can see how Inferno's posts can easily just be taken as dumb posting, and when you take that away, there's not much left other than a connection to Acro.

I don't personally believe that that's enough for a lynch, but if the rest of town thinks that his flip, scum or otherwise, would be beneficial to town, I suppose that there could be far worse choices. However, I still think that he will maybe, if not probably, flip town, so I will refrain from voting.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ryker a werekill-inferno scumrelation is impossible, dont you think?

 

[T-block]

fine i'll take your word for it

There's never a NEED for a mass claim, only a point where the benefits outweigh the cons. That point isn't always LyLo or MyLo.

assuming inferno is scum

benefits:
-can coordinate night actions for future nights
-could potentially point out final scum in claims that don't fit with the rest

cons:
-all setup information out in the open; if last mafia is not pinned tomorrow, he can use that information; any independents can also use the information
-danger of being misled by trying to meta the mod in a game that is naturally unorthodox

i don't like it - i don't trust our ability to be able to put the information to good enough use for the benefits to outweight the cons

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Phone dying DO NOT PUT AT L-1!!!!!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

fine i'll take your word for it



assuming inferno is scum

benefits:
-can coordinate night actions for future nights
-could potentially point out final scum in claims that don't fit with the rest

cons:
-all setup information out in the open; if last mafia is not pinned tomorrow, he can use that information; any independents can also use the information
-danger of being misled by trying to meta the mod in a game that is naturally unorthodox

i don't like it - i don't trust our ability to be able to put the information to good enough use for the benefits to outweight the cons

Second pro outweighs both cons.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Good night.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Fine im calling it a night... Morning.


Ill nap tomorrow and get at this thing afterwards

 

[Inferno3044]

I don't have scummy intents because im not scum. The acro thing is the only possible case on me. That's the easiest ML strat in the game.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You've been completely survival focused. Tried to lynch ONLY me, the super townie. No voiced scum reads.

Please go die. Good night.

 

[Inferno3044]

You've been completely survival focused. Tried to lynch ONLY me, the super townie. No voiced scum reads.

Please go die. Good night.

Maybe because I'm trying to have the town avoid a ML. Maybe because you have no case on me (which you don't). Maybe there is no case on me because I'm town. The Acro thing is the only thing people have on me, which both Kantrip and WK pointed out. People have talked about how connection cases are bad based on if I flip scum, but this wagon on me is SOLELY based on the fact that Acro flipped scum. Meadow is the only person who made a case on me and I still think he's town even though his vote is on me. Maybe Gorf has some intent. Zeke, Soup, and Kantrip have no reason behind their vote except either a) they are sheeping town or b) they are scum. With Zeke claiming cop (which I'll buy for now) and I'm leaning town on Kantrip atm that leaves Soup (which I voiced when I replied to why people voted for me). I might have had an incorrect read on you, but at least I had one, voiced it, and pursued it until I realized I was wrong. That's something Soup has not done. He has been gliding along with no worries. He has gone "oh Zeke might be scum. Vote: Zeke" and just left it there.

So Ryker, why don't you make a case on me instead of asking people for their read on me? You want me dead. We know this and it's painfully obvious, but you haven't done **** for it. You don't want me to use WIFOM on you? How about you don't reply with WIFOM on me? Look at these:

Yeah, meanwhile he's an SK with a track killing us.

Specific example. Could be mafia tracker like Batmanfia, could be mafia with a tracker friend. Could be lying to buy a night to use a powerful ability. Leaving someone you think is scum alive is a terribad idea.

This is the definition of WIFOM. "Oh he could be what he says, or maybe he's this. Maybe even that. That is also a possibility." Also the first one as said before goes against the theory that I'm connected to Acrostic. You want me lynched? Make a case because right now it looks like you want me dead more than you think I'm scum.

Also to anybody saying that there isn't time, take a look at the deadline. Today is Monday and the deadline is Friday. We have the rest of the week. Assuming the deadline is at 11:59PM on December 2, that's about 120 hours. That's more time than this wagon on me formed.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Maybe there is no case on me because I'm town. The Acro thing is the only thing people have on me, which both Kantrip and WK pointed out.

Please, learn to read. Or how to critically read. I've said a lot about you and why I think you're scum, and very little, if any, of that has had to do with your interactions with Acrostic D1. Instead, I've cited:

-How mechanical your early play was
-The fact that you constantly tried to pry information you didn't really need to know out of people (Soup's flavor, **** about Ryker's role, etc.)
-Your lack of a defense until you sat at L-2
-The absolute lack of pressure you put on anyone until finally pressured into it
-Your constant deflections back to Ryker's role and how you think it's so scummy for whatever reason you can reach for

All of those, to me, are much more indicative of your alignment than the Acrostic thing. But that helps.

I don't particularly buy a flavor cop. Especially when you start deliberately asking for the flavors of other players. That doesn't make sense to me.

And don't bring up the deadline. I thought we already clarified with Acrostic's wagon that we're not willing to give more time to sit around and do nothing. If you are so desperate for us to wait out that time, give us a reason to do it. Point out other players for us to look at and put some gogdamn tangible reasons with evidence behind it instead of saying "I don't trust Ryker because of his role" when the rest of us have quite clearly stated we have.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

EBWOP: Saw this after:

Meadow is the only person who made a case on me

Doesn't negate that pressure was deserved and applied. Again, Acrostic thing was just additional points and rather than address anything concisely, you've just *****ed and deflected to Ryker. You're not helping your case.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

EBWOP the sequel: Seriously, you can ***** about how people joined the bandwagon but for any lynch, you need people to conform to it for it to happen. You're not gonna get anywhere without at least one mindless bandwagon vote or two.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Again, ask Laundry. Day length shouldn't be mandated by deadline. I'll take it to the theory thread in post game.

I'll add my two cents since I've apparently been mentioned in this topic but, as Ryker said, it's for after the game, so any discussion about it should be halted until then.

Game deadlines shouldn't mandate when we set a lynch. That allows for two things:
1) People to sit around and do nothing citing players who haven't said a lot or anything at all to get their ***** in gear when they obviously won't or the fact that they have so much time to do something still and then never get around to it
leading to:
2) The game to stagnate because nothing's happening.

This helps scum. Tremendously. When players sit around and do nothing, that buys scum a hell of a lot more time to come up with safeclaims, build better cases, build better defenses, misdirect townies to lynching other townies, basically do all the manipulative little things they need to do to win the game. Sure, a quick-paced town can be a bit rash and end up mislynching here or there but all the constant rethinking leads to overthinking and then everything tends to just **** itself from there.

You can't overthink this game. If you do, you may as well give up, because you're doing the scum's job for them.

Also, the game becomes pretty cyclical when people get a bandwagon to L-2, demand a claim, get it, find something that seems pretty towny, and then all fall off the bandwagon and start searching for a new one. Repeat everything until you get a bull**** claim or you run out of time.

So, ergo, using all seven days is a waste of time if y'all can't come up with better cases. Hence why I'm perfectly fine with ending the day now, as I doubt we find a better lynch than Inferno other than potentially Soup, and as much as people keep suggesting other directions, they don't clear the path for us to go down them. I'm perfectly content with Inferno's lynch. I would also lynch Soup but I think Inferno's a better chance to flip scum. These are two very defined directions and every time we try to shift away from them due to deadlines, we're essentially allowing one person I think is scum pervert our course.

That's bull****.

 

[Inferno3044]

Fine, I'll come out and say it. I'm bad at mafia. Is that what you wanted to hear WL? I'm a ****ing idiot who doesn't know **** about anything. I can just quit now and all you'll lose is a useless townie. You'll see me flip what I say and maybe I'll just quit playing mafia because I'm just complete garbage at it and I apparently declined in skill level since I've started. I don't care if you call this AtE. I really don't.

Happy Ryker? You won.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

I don't feel like delving into your AtE, but that's not what I wanted. I simply want your lynch. One of the things I hate about this game is how it can quickly devolve into people calling other people bad at mafia while getting called bad at mafia. I'm sorry I overstepped that boundary, but that's ultimately for outside the game.

And I trust Broto shares this sentiment. He's rough but he doesn't usually want to see people outright quit.

 

[Inferno3044]

I don't know how to play as town and it sucks. It's probably why I'm here. In Upick it was obvious I was town because I was too stupid to be scum. I guess I can look on the bright side. It took 4 games for me to die. I just wish I was good. Being bad frustrates me.

 

[Inferno3044]

I wanna apologize to glyph. You are an amazing and fun mod and I wish it didn't come to this.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Moth and LAK, the play and why? Also, is there an Indy in the game?

Soup, Inferno is hard to see scum intent, I can see a poor read leading to what he did.

Soup's scum intent is crystal clear to me more so.

I think there is an indy in this game, I will not clarify on why because it is speculation alone.

BTW, got a vid of you vs Reflex's PT?

Alright! Got it from my other head, here's what we're thinking:

As it stands, we both like Gorf, Kantrip, Broto, and Brosuke. We both dislike Soup and Inferno, and have a mild distaste for Joey and LAK.

I'll let Stew clarify his distaste for Joey, but I honestly want to know what happened to LAK's case on us. It seems like he made it, then forgot entirely and has been gone a majority of the time.

I've been working a 34-40 hour week, thanks giving, two parties, and other stuff. Johns but it was well worth it for the parties.

Case is your posting as lot of fluff when the game started, your pushing a lot more but I'm still seeing some of the fluff I saw when the game started and I first called you out.

I'll be gone for a tournament tonight, but now is that right time to come forward with this.

AS I SAID, WE ARE THE GODDAMN BATMAN, BULLETPROOF COP. Our sanity is not guaranteed, as we are the GODDAMN BATMAN, thus I suspect me may be insane, especially given some of the other crumbs I've seen in this game so far.

With this in mind, we received a Not Guilty result when we investigated Meadowsizzle last night. This doesn't mean much until our sanity is confirmed.

We will be taking scum down today, and I believe an Inferno lynch is the way to go moving forward-down today, but will not be placing my vote just yet, having not checked the vote-count.

SO SAYS THE GODDAMN BATMAN.

Say wat.

BP cop?! Bull**** with legit sanity, your either insane or something else altogether.

Well I decided to come out with it anyway.

I got splashed with water tonight. Water is usually the arsonist protection so yeah. Might be useless flavor though.

k.

is LAK actually going to do anything this game?

Gonna try and do more for you T-block. Especially you .

Remember how I said I didn't like how LAK showed up with some suspicions of me and then suddenly dropped everything?

Should have said I was doing stuff and that I don't post on hydras from my phone. woops, just let it happen.

To be frank I don't care to persue you right now, at least over Inferno or Soup atm. I think your still on my list for the fluff and playing follow the leader which is unlike you, the WL side.

Vote: Soup

I still got my eye on you, don't go too far Moewz.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

I don't know how to play as town and it sucks. It's probably why I'm here. In Upick it was obvious I was town because I was too stupid to be scum. I guess I can look on the bright side. It took 4 games for me to die. I just wish I was good. Being bad frustrates me.

I wanna apologize to glyph. You are an amazing and fun mod and I wish it didn't come to this.

This makes me wanna lynch Soup over him.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Soup, thoughts on the about with Inferno and Meowz?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

...So we're lynching Inferno amirite?

Obtw Inferno it's all good to be bad at the game at this point in time, regardless of alignment. Look at Kuz, he sucked the d when he started playing, and now he's probably the best active player we have today. It's all about learning from the mistakes and getting better mang.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

what the helllll

i don't like it guys

I agree with this post now that I'm reading it back.

Anyways I'm gonna catch up on Inferno right now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I do want you people to know that I pretty much always take vibes/perceived intent over face value though, which is why I'm so conflicted over Inferno.

I'd like to answer questions now that I'm in a more sober state of mind. Like wtf I didn't even like my own post right after I made it last night =/

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ryker I want you to read his D1 posts and look at the game through his eyes. It should clear up a lot.

Bigger post incoming n stuff. tl;dr = Inferno based on D1 is town to me

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

This is what I saw reading Inferno's D1 posts (note that whenever I 'talk for Inferno' it's how I perceived his actions):

Tell me what you think of Gorf.

@Gorf - Opinion on Meadow please.

Looks like town intent to me.

Wait I don't get it. What's soup's claim? Also I kinda just assumed ryker was crocker.

Once again pulling out the "why would he ask in the thread?" card.

@Brosuke - Acro isn't scum atm. Ryker is just pressuring people over really unimportant things to get information and his case isn't solid. I wouldn't trust your read on Ryker atm. I don't know if Ryker always does this, but I played in a game with him where he was town and when he was scum. His D1 play was night and day. This reminds me of when he was scum.

This is (one of?) Inferno's reason(s) for doubting Ryker, it's a start. He starts off being really wary of Ryker. And who would blame him, looking at his past experience?

@Meadow - Why you no be patient? The only people who really posted things worth content last night were Soup, Kantrip, you and Gorf. I wasn't gonna ask someone for their opinion on someone who has no content to go off of.

This is the start of Inferno's pleads for time. He doesn't want the day to end quickly. I can see why he wants to have long days, he wants everyone to post to get information out of them. You must be really dumb if you don't see where he's coming from and almost certainly twisting intentions if you think he's stretching time to allow scum to "build up defenses".

Then there's post1 which has been pointed out by tblock:

look at 273 where he says acro is town

I believe the flavor crumb from soup says to me that he is of the same alignment as Acro. Currently I have soup as town and I have no problem putting Acro as town atm.

Okay I've looked. Then I looked at the explanation:

I interpreted Soup's flavor leak as that it was intended for Acro to see it (because I certainly don't). I don't see why scum would try and leak their flavor to a townie and I see it as Soup trusting Acro. I'm pretty confident on Souptown atm. Acro I just don't see as scum so more or less he's null leaning town.

Also, I like how you're playing a lot more than last night.

Unvote

Once again he's saying he doesn't know the flavor. His reasoning is ultimately off, but if you see it at the level of depth he's seeing it in, you can consider it good reasoning.

Also take note how Acro is leaning null now.

@Brosuke - Is it bad to ask people for their opinions?

I like this post.

I see the cool faces. I'm assuming that goes with his role. I'm really bad at finding crumbs. Mind giving me a hint?

Pointed this one out 1000 times already.

I wouldn't say that Ryker is town. It could be Ryker being scum and/or Ryker is just bring Ryker. I don't know yet and I would rather him not be in a position of power to hammer so soon.

Here you can still see that he's doubtful of Ryker. I really doubt scum would be this dense in the doubting of Ryker. He's, like I said, walking carefully thus doesn't want Ryker in the power position.

Honestly I'm still confused on what to think of the Acro case. When I first looked at it I thought Ryker was just creating a bunch of WIFOM off a meaningless thing about Soup's flavor crumb (which I still don't know yet). Although I still think that's true and don't want to put my vote on him yet, I do see some of the points. I don't like how Ryker wants him to claim so early. We have 5 days remaining and there are people still yet to post. On top of that, Ryker words how he wants Acro to claim so poorly it hurts. Really Ryker?

Once again, I think you should see the game through his perspective. What I can make of that perspective is that it has less depth than what me/Ryker/Meadow would see in the game, for example.
He's used to playing a standard game of mafia. We hammer just before the deadline, we claim at L-1, we let everyone post. Ryker defies these guidelines, and it confuses Inferno. Is that so hard to see?

He's not redirecting to Ryker at all. He's questioning Ryker's motives as he always has been doing so this game.
See the point below.

I don't like ryker. He looks like he is trying really hard to get acrostic lynched really early and trying to get him to claim. Combined with how he worded how he wanted him to claim makes me uneasy of his alignment.

See how, according to standard mafia rules, Ryker is 'scummy'?
He wants to give less time for town to communicate
He wants Acro to claim really early
He makes a case based on a meaningless crumb
He makes a case without doing a post by post and stuff like that

Acrostic im in the middle. He is null for me and I don't think he is warranted for a claim.

Going from town to nullleantown to null isn't weird, Tblock. I can see where you're coming from, but nah

Why don't you look back at your recent posts.



This post has no town intent. This is trying to out a power role which is better to be hidden, especially at this point in time.



Really? A vote for Acrostic is a vote for entertainment? Your wording is beyond atrocious. Be like Mr. Crocker and give yourself an F.

One more thing.



What's stopping you now from ask him other than you can't accidentally hammer him right now? If you have good questions and persuade me to think he's scum, I might put him at L-1.

This just REEKS of town to me. Anyone with me?

Im not against you questioning acrostic. I actually think its a good idea. L-1 isn't needed though and I don't trust someone as trigger happy as you in that position.

Same for this one.

EBWOP: and this is why I didn't vote. Ryker is probably a lyncher.

And this one.

So im gonna say it now.

I TOLD YOU SO!!

And this one.



I'll move on to D2 now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

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Brosuke*, T-block, Raziek

JUDGEMENT

 

[Zeke the Moth]

Can't ignore my gut, that response was so obvtown it hurts, even if it was AtE.

unvote

Considering Soupamario as an alternative, thoughts from others?

SO SAYS THE GODDAMN BATMAN.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Unaltered quicknotes while reading through a large part of D2, getting to the fast paced game afterwards:

Ryker, can you show me a post that you posted that you would consider a "gotcha" post? I feel like I didn't see it.

Tryna get his right?

You mean the mafia game where you and Ryker won due to bussing Panta with Ryker's extra kill? If anything Upick Poke-mafia makes me believe more that Ryker is scum.

Vote: Ryker

Still wary of Ryker here

Personally I don't like Ryker's claim. Whether it can be backed up or not, a power like that sounds sounds like an indy imo. You plus from people dying regardless of alignment. I don't like it.

like

One more thing. Ryker, you said you used your smog power-up on yourself. Can you only target yourself with it?

dislike

@Soup - I saw the quick hammer as very scummy and looking at it, lyncher seemed like a good reason why he would do it. If he was lyncher, I would've been so salty.

like

Well the quick hammer at least now has some justification. Would've at least liked to have heard Acro claim. I really hope I don't hate myself for this but I'm going to trust Ryker for now. Also I'm also gonna confirm his smog power to be true. I targeted him with my night action and it failed. I still want to know if his smog power can only target himself.

Unvote

looks towny to me

If you wanna keep the information silent then okay. I'll just put my trust in you.

doooont know what to think

I have no problem claiming if you guys want me to.

trust in claim+

I didn't want to claim immediately. I'm just saying I am willing to. But fine, I will claim in those conditions.

putting a lot of trust in his claim

I find it odd that he was willing to clear me so fast while everyone else has condemned me for proving Ryker's ability to be true. Especially since he thought I was scum D1. Maybe he just sees it from a different perspective. Also noticed that he did absolutely nothing with his stance on Zeke. His play is very weak. Leaning scum on him.

I can see mechanical but after reading D1 I'm more seeing a towny who just tries to be big but fails. reminds me of my own play in werewolves of miller iirc was the game

Responses to people voting me:

Meadow - you say you see the same behavior in my play as Upick pokemon. I was town in that game. So why does playing in more or less the same way this time make me scum?

Gorf - I played with ryker in two games: upick pokemon and MMX. In upick he decided to take charge and kill a scummate and he was scum. In MMX he was basically a big headache and was town. He sounds more like Upick.

Kantrip: your reason for voting me is bad. Although his action explains why my action didn't work I still had doubt. Especially with a role that pluses off of lynches regardless of alignment. Also why would scum want to further clear a townie? If I was scum, I would've indicated nothing of my action.

Soup - first of all you are sheeping. 2nd you saw me play as scum. You were the mod of that game. Tell me if my play remotely resembles that. 3rd when did I get on you? Never. I said you're scummy but I never jumped on you. Also you said I was confirmed town for stating that I targeted ryker and it failed. Now you say im obvscum. I don't buy this.

Zeke - what's your actual reason for voting me? I just questioned your investigation. If you thought I was scum, why didn't you investigate me?

looks towny to me, misinterpreting motivations.

My apologies. I sometimes interpret wrong. Anyways I thought I had scum with ryker and im now saying im wrong. Im thinking soup is scum based on how he voted me by including incorrect information and inconsistent remarks and reads. Sounds like an easy way to jump on a bandwagon.

and here he said it himself

and he's showing intent to find scum

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My impression of Infernos unwillingness to get on Acro is the fact that hgives me the feeling like he doesnt 'just' want to follow someone.

Referring back to this here.

He tries to be a Ryker/Kuz but he fails. He wants his own opinions and reads to be big but fails. It's something a newbie would do more as town than scum.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

About time.

I am Uncle, town chi wizard. Each night I choose someone and I receive a vague description of their flavor and see what they do. Basically im a flavor cop/tracker. As I said I decided to track ryker and I failed.

What is the name of your ability?

I must say that the rolename reminds me of Glyphs naming style.

 

[Inferno3044]

Guys just lynch me. I don't care anymore. I actually want to be lynched (no I'm not a jester). It'll help me learn from my mistakes and I won't hold it against whomever votes for me. I ****ed up bad and I just got real emotional, but I want to learn from my actual mistakes and not let my breakdown be the reason I live. Heck I'll even vote for myself if needed.

 

[Inferno3044]

But if you want to know, my abilities name is Yu Mo Gai Gui Fai Di Zao.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Seriously I can't see InfernoScum after being done with reading. I can see where you guys are coming from, but you are wrong in that you can't place yourself inside of Inferno. I'm not saying that I did so flawlessly, who knows, but I'm saying that your reasons is the what and not the why. The why is always more important than the what.

Also looking at some flavor I realized that Uncle is basically named Chi Wizard directly in the series, lol.
But looking at above he's not making up the name of the ability, because he ****ed it up. If he was lying about it he would've literally copied it and wouldn't screw up. It's Gui Gwai not Gai Gui. Not that that all means a lot in regards to his alignment.


Ryker you can swing wagons, you even did so especially for me in Higurashi. Be a sweetypie and go to Soup/Joeyposer/LAK. Preferably Soup, but you gotta kill off the deadweight, right?