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UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

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I reiterate, why does reading you always have to be a crapshoot? Hey, Gorf, Werekill, Xonar, LAK, and Moth, gimmie an Inferno read.

:phone:
I haven't read too much, but here goes.

He seems to be sidelining a bit by asking questions, which honestly isn't much of a bad thing D1, I suppose. He's a solid null to me unless I see anything different.
 

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There's two more votes, IIRC. Also, scum night kill is almost always compulsive and failure to send one here results in randomization. You think I hammered one of my own on Day 1 and then No Killed. Ask Meadowsizzle, I'm at least patient enough to wait for favorable conditions, like a second night kill or a VT role, before I try my shenanigans.


Or am I?

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Ryker, I'm not sure about your claim.

You're basically saying here that we can't put anyone at L-1 because you'll pretty much hammer, correct? Now we have that knife hanging over our neck, threatening us that what happened D1 with the quick hammer could easily happen again.

I don't like it one bit.
 

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There's two more votes, IIRC. Also, scum night kill is almost always compulsive and failure to send one here results in randomization. You think I hammered one of my own on Day 1 and then No Killed. Ask Meadowsizzle, I'm at least patient enough to wait for favorable conditions, like a second night kill or a VT role, before I try my shenanigans.


Or am I?

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Oh look, WIFOM shenanigans. This is always fun.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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Ryker, I'm not sure about your claim.

You're basically saying here that we can't put anyone at L-1 because you'll pretty much hammer, correct? Now we have that knife hanging over our neck, threatening us that what happened D1 with the quick hammer could easily happen again.

I don't like it one bit.
Are you insane? That would be suicidal. I will be the one to hammer, so we need to avoid unplanned L-1s so scum don't self hammer. There is no knife hanging over your neck because no townie is going to be in a position to repeatedly quickhammer and not get lynched.

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Unvote

Going to ask for a replace for both mafia games, something about a certain game just blew in my face. From nowhere.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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Going to ask for a replace for both mafia games, something about a certain game just blew in my face. From nowhere.
This is good news. Now we have someone more active who I can actually read after all Felipe's Internet issues. It is also bad news because GLife took forever to find the last replacement.

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Kantrip, you've tetras, so no johns. Your scum list and lynchpool respectively. Also the why of each scum read.

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Another thing I don't like: there's literally no way to verify that he was bullet/abilityproof.

Scum could have targeted him and failed, yes, but what if they didn't and he No Killed in order to fake the claim?

But what if he's telling the truth and scum targeted him?

But what if he's telling the truth but scum DIDN'T target?

But what if he's lying and scum hit a different, protected player?

But what if he's telling the truth and scum targeted him?

And so on to infinity.

Your WIFOM garden protects your claim well, Ryker, and if it's a fake, then I applaud you. I cannot see anything solidly scummy about the claim toDay, so I shall not use that against you. You're still a null.
 

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Are you insane? That would be suicidal. I will be the one to hammer, so we need to avoid unplanned L-1s so scum don't self hammer. There is no knife hanging over your neck because no townie is going to be in a position to repeatedly quickhammer and not get lynched.

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Ah, fair enough, I see where you're coming from now.

Ugh, I keep wanting to go against you for the quick hammer, but I still can't find anything solid against you. Unless someone else brings up something, I'm moving on to paying more attention to someone else. >_<
 

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I haven't re-read everything, just the point where you started pressuring Acrostic. I'm also busy right now, I'll have to get to your request later.
 

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Did you miss the part about scum night kill being typically compulsive? Ask GLife in thread as bold is a pain. Yes, there are other possibilities, but we're playing likliehoods here. Also, ANY ability that targeted me last night and claims later down the road confirms the action, if not my alignment.

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I haven't re-read everything, just the point where you started pressuring Acrostic. I'm also busy right now, I'll have to get to your request later.
No johns, I don't want other people to pollute your response and I don't want to wait on you.

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Pro-tip: Ryker's claim should not affect your read on him.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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I await Meadowsizzle to come down like an avalanche about this claim and it should provide some content between the two.

until then bros :cool:
 

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@MOD: Can you clarify if the Acrostic's body is missing has any significance, or is it just flavour?
How the hell should I know, I am but a humble storyteller

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Once upon a time, Soup looked back one page and saw there had been like 3 voting actions since the last vote count, which had been posted only hours before.

He felt very silly for asking such a dumb question.

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So I'm missing about eight pages of content, but that's ****tons better than coming online to find forty gogdamn pages of unread bull**** between Ranmaru and one of his buddies. I'll catch up but I wanna address a couple orders of business:

Pro-tip: Ryker's claim should not affect your read on him.
I await Meadowsizzle to come down like an avalanche about this claim and it should provide some content between the two.

until then bros :cool:
Saying that a claim shouldn't affect a read and then following it up with posts goading us into trying to let it alter our read seems highly contradictory. Clarify.

I'm Town Power-Up Collector. I get abilities for everyone I hammer, scum included. Last night I used my Smog power-up on myself to make all the night actions targeting me fail. Doc will be on me from this point on and I will be the hammer. Also, since I'm in a Category Fice hurricane I have to yell every few posts to be heard.

I faked Crocker. I hammered Acrostic for a combination of reasons. I thought he was scum. I wanted an ability. I wanted to see what would be said about it. ****s and giggles.

I guessed Brosuke's motive and can buy that. I see Moth's defense and while I appreciate how helpful he's been, he's given me nothing telling on his alignment. Someone on my wagon is scum, I just have to sift through te morons and I may or may not have time to do it tonight. Scum won't be able to kill me if Doc isn't ******** and even if they have a roleblocker after their smog guy flipped, they can't stop me from building an arsenal. Yes, even if we have a Jailer, target my ***.

Any questions?

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Having been on the planning end of these shenanigans, I want to call bull****. Yet my gut reaction is to trust you due to early game interactions. I'd rather test this and actually call your bull**** but that seems flawed as you wouldn't really claim something this radical without actually being able to back it up or at least make your claim look viable. Right now, you're a lake of gogdamn WIFOM and talking more about your claim or your hammer is just adding to it. I'd rather evaluate your play, which is what I'm about to do.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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meadowsizzle said:
Saying that a claim shouldn't affect a read and then following it up with posts goading us into trying to let it alter our read seems highly contradictory. Clarify.
some content
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Did I rule that out? I'm not freaking out about his claim--Ryker bull****s things like that all the time. It's worthless to obsess over it, because you won't know if he's lying until he's dead. Judge his play, and solely his play. Dealing with the WIFOM he cultivates is going to lead you nowhere.

@Brosuke, Inferno is null leaning mindless town for me.
That word, "mindless," is why I don't believe your read. Inferno's not mindless town. He's often wrong, but I've played with him in Upickemon and he was so obviously town it hurt (and it's not because I was scum that I'm saying that). He thought, he pressured, he had individual ideas and he unabashedly stated them. He's playing very robotic here, either rehashing opinions from the thread or asking very stereotypical questions without any thorough follow-up. I want to say he's scum for it, but there's a lot of time between then and now for me to change my opinion.
 

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Actually i will clarify, i don't want to drag this on anymore then it needs to.
When i specified that question, you and ryker tend to know each other like the back of your hands, so content between you two should be interesting as i should get reads revolving around it, not the claim itself, but the reaction towards it.
 

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Meadowsizzle, on the subject of inferno, what about his reaction towards Ryker? do you really think he thought that Ryker was a lyncher? no matter how stupid it sounds?
 

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EBWOP: I should say that I disagreed with Kantrip's read, not believed it.

@SOUP: Ah, I get it now. But, as I already stated, I know Ryker too well to get pissed off about it.

And let me get to that. If you follow back to the quote, that's on page 8. There's a lot of **** that's happened inbetween, so I'm reserving opinions until then.
 

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Personally I don't like Ryker's claim. Whether it can be backed up or not, a power like that sounds sounds like an indy imo. You plus from people dying regardless of alignment. I don't like it.

One more thing. Ryker, you said you used your smog power-up on yourself. Can you only target yourself with it?

@Soup - I saw the quick hammer as very scummy and looking at it, lyncher seemed like a good reason why he would do it. If he was lyncher, I would've been so salty.
 

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That word, "mindless," is why I don't believe your read. Inferno's not mindless town. He's often wrong, but I've played with him in Upickemon and he was so obviously town it hurt (and it's not because I was scum that I'm saying that). He thought, he pressured, he had individual ideas and he unabashedly stated them. He's playing very robotic here, either rehashing opinions from the thread or asking very stereotypical questions without any thorough follow-up. I want to say he's scum for it, but there's a lot of time between then and now for me to change my opinion.
You don't believe my read because you disagree with it? You made the same obvservation that I did, that he's playing "robotic" which is what I meant when I said mindless. Well, that and he was sheeping if I recall correctly.
 

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I don't like the Acro wagon. I see it with no real content being pushed and Ryker making **** up. Honestly if Soup is lying, he has set himself up to fail.

@Everyone voting Acro - Explain your vote.
He was scum.

But more explicitly, Acro is nowhere near that dumb. I honestly want to float a vote towards Soup automatically based on his flip because the entire thing screamed "distancing attempt" but I need more than that, as the connection case is just as flimsy as the "RYKER KNEW ACRO WAS SCUM BECAUSE ACRO WAS HIS SCUMBUDDY" cases. Just the way he entered the game was bad, asking a ton of fluffy questions, only to follow it up with a bull****ted case that was trying not to look like bull****. His immediate follow-up to Soup's defense was even worse and he never got better from that point.
 

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His interaction with me didn't make sense from the get-go, him trying to instantly call me town because of a flavor crumb was stupid and on top of it buddying.

Ironically, i wanted to consider Acrostic town for some reasons, that's why i held my vote so sparingly, i felt that it was an easy wagon and people were going to just sheep Ryker.
 

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His interaction with me didn't make sense from the get-go, him trying to instantly call me town because of a flavor crumb was stupid and on top of it buddying.
I'm more intrigued in the completely lack of acknowledgement for the pressure placed on him as well as the above quote.

Ironically, i wanted to consider Acrostic town for some reasons, that's why i held my vote so sparingly, i felt that it was an easy wagon and people were going to just sheep Ryker.
Sometimes it just is that easy. Sheeping Ryker was an okay thing to do, both Gorf and I were reaching the exact same conclusions without Ryker's input.
 

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Exactly what I said.

If I were a daycop who didn't want to out a result.

If I recieved a reward for hammering.

If I was confident enough in my day one read to hammer and deal with the heat for the discussion it would yield tomorrow.

If I didn't intend to hammer and wanted to draw a scum quickhammer with my taunt so it could be pursued later.

If I didn't want to hammer and I did want to draw an Acroscum quickhammer.

If I wanted to start a Ryker scum/indy conversation.

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What a clever way to throw out crumbs.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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If that's directed towards me, i can simply murmur one name to explain that:
Ryker.
 
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