Use more DownB

[Kaffei]

fun fact:
If you're down b "stalling" or whatever you want to call it, if you just hold B and Up When you're about to reappear you will automatically slice ON the stage ( in the direction of the ledge).

I don't get it. Draw a pic plzplzplz

 

[ADHD]

I'll try my best!

 

[Kaffei]

I'll try my best!

10wats

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

First telling the Mario boards to use Dtilt and now telling the MK boards to use Down-B...

Is Pierce on crack? This move sucks.

 

[Kel]

I don't get it. Draw a pic plzplzplz

try it

get on the ledge. hit down to fast fall from the ledge and then B to disappear.

Hold up and B.

You will slice on the ledge.

 

[Kaffei]

try it

get on the ledge. hit down to fast fall from the ledge and then B to disappear.

Hold up and B.

You will slice on the ledge.

Oh. That's what you meant lol.

 

[hojunc]

^^ I hate when someone edge guards

 

[Crizthakidd]

peirce use down b more OMG u cant get hit and like wtffff uber priority on marth

 

[Jem.]

Down b isn't a safe option. The downtime after he slashes is just too much if they shield it. Plus when you down b they'll know its coming. The better option is to wait for a better approach/opening.

@Kel: I show that on my youtube video "What Metaknight Can Do On Battlefield" I was suprised at the lot of really good metaknight mains that didn't know this. The only downside of that, too, is that if they know about it. Not too many do though.

 

[Atlus8]

More B button!

 

[Pierce7d]

I can't see how people can contradict themselves so clearly, but perhaps I explained it poorly.

If MK DownB and you shield, he can not attack, and safely assume any location in his radius. If you do NOT shield, you are susceptible to the attack. Therefore, logic seems to suggest that if you do not hit MK out of the start up of this move, you should probably shield. It is not really viable to use an attack near you, because then YOU are the one using a laggy attack to punish something that MIGHT happen, and leaving yourself open, especially if I just teleported a dsmash distance behind you.

What this means is, since DownB frequently causes people to shield, and it's hardly punishable OOS unless you land in grab range like a moron, it basically allows you to move to a more favorable position. You also get additional movement after turning visable, which is WONDERFUL for baiting and escapes (seriously, teleporting towards your opponent, and sliding backwards on reappearance is LOVELY)

So, really simple.

DownB = your opponent shields
opponent's shield = DownB is safe
Opponent doesn't shield = Opponent is not safe.

Therefore, while using DownB does have a risk element, it's actually in MKs favor when used properly. For those of you that use Ftilt to stuff dash in approaches (and get shielded and punished) or use Dsmash when your opponent can shield instead of punishment (which is a lot of you, and sometimes me too), don't give me crap about stuff not being safe. I know you play MK, and you're used to being safe 80% of the time. However, the risk vs. reward for this move is in your favor, especially if you use it primarily to escape dangerous situations, or create openings, without frequently risking the laggy attack.

 

[Jem.]

If I'm not mistaken, you can more than likely walk OOS after metaknights down b and punish him.

The real question is, why do it? Why not just wait for a better approach? It isn't a good or reliable kill move, it isn't good to rack up damage. The risk is much much larger than the reward of popping them up.

 

[Pierce7d]

Once again, I'm not advocating the use of this move as an attack. Perhaps once in a blue you use the attack to rethreaten the opponent into shielding when you use it. Otherwise it is not bad movement at all.

 

[Jem.]

Whoops, I don't know why I was assuming that. I think a better mind-game is standing still or walking away/towards them though

 

[Pierce7d]

Whoops, I don't know why I was assuming that. I think a better mind-game is standing still or walking away/towards them though

I think, the more mindgames you have, the better all of them become

 

[Jem.]

I think, the more mindgames you have, the better all of them become

Theres a difference between a mindgame and a safe mindgame :] down b just isnt that safe to possibly get a grab or tilt off if you down b and punish accordingly. I guess if it works it works though, who am I to say if its a good idea or not. More or less, its a guess you're taking, not even really a read.

 

[etecoon]

down B is extremely safe as long as you aren't actually using the attack part of it.

 

[Pierce7d]

down B is extremely safe as long as you aren't actually using the attack part of it.

Especially if your opponent shields, and you can react to them not shielding by moving away or attacking. Basically, the movement part is almost always safe unless you land in a stupid place or get hit out of start-up (in which case, you're doing it wrong.)

 

[Jem.]

Especially if your opponent shields, and you can react to them not shielding by moving away or attacking. Basically, the movement part is almost always safe unless you land in a stupid place or get hit out of start-up (in which case, you're doing it wrong.)

Why would you down b just to walk away from the opponent? That seems kind of odd. Unless me posting at 6:30 AM without sleeping again is catching up to me..

I will try to incorporate some down b's and see how it goes.

 

[meta master]

Once again, I'm not advocating the use of this move as an attack. Perhaps once in a blue you use the attack to rethreaten the opponent into shielding when you use it. Otherwise it is not bad movement at all.

It is epic though when you kill with it.

 

[Jem.]

Meta-Master: true that. Mew2King and I in winners semi-finals of Tourneyplay 3 both killed each other with down b in the first match haha. we just kind of looked at each other wondering why the other would even try it.

 

[Kitamerby]

Solution to this dilemma: Powershield.