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Upstate Battle Series- Next Battle: September 15th!

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flaw said:
Yo I have a question for rob:

Are all those TAS freestyle/speedruns for Mario 4 unable to be done on the original hardware? That is, do they rely on quirks of the (not 100% accurate) emulator/rom-hacks? If this is the case, what emulator/rom combo and version is considered legit by the community?
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Mario 4 is SM World, right? Usually the preferred ROMs are the most recent and have the (U) tag in them for Universal. Most of the preferred emulators have extra recording functions and are located _here_. Most 'hacked' levels are purely changes in map and item placement, but not physics/mechanics.

Everything in the ROM should be reproducible in-game. I would guess the current reproductions are 100% accurate. Some TASes are "too fast" for human hands, so some tricks may be insanely difficult (or impossible?) to perform. To name a few things I've done on my SNES: picking up multiple items at once, walljumping, "Passing through solid yellow blocks (Smashola)", and various yoshi tricks. I think emulators might only miscalculate a frame/pixel or two in a generally similar error that console RNGs' outcomes have with certain temperatures.

Superplay on a SNES of Yoshi's Island. Lots of explanations inside. Dude's so good he's almost TAS by himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hwhw96Z5TY

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Damn, CoT6, when is that? I always wanted to go to a big tournament like that to see where my skill stands among top players in the Brawl community, but I just don't know if I have the time and money for an event that big. I've always been more of a local guy, but I'll think about it. I probably won't go though.



I've played:

Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Adventure 2, and just recently I have attempted to revive my interest in the series by playing through Sonic Generations, as well as Sonic 4: Episode I/II. So yeah, I have played a pretty good amount of them lol.

After all these years, my favorite game still remains to be Sonic 2. Sonic CD is extremely close though, it's really good in my opinion. I also enjoyed Sonic 4: Episode II a lot, but not sure where that stands among my other favs yet.

I have some friends that go bonkers over Sonic & Knuckles, or rather, Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles together. I didn't feel the same about them though. I found something unappealing about the stages in those games, and I can't really pinpoint what it is.

I want to love the adventure series, but I tried to play through them again not to long ago, and something about them feels disturbingly dated. It's strange because I can go back to some games on Super Nintendo or Nintendo 64 and won't get that feeling to the same degree. Nonetheless, they are still pretty good but won't go back to them as nearly as often as games like Sonic 2 and Sonic CD.
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Sonic games I've played a ton of:
1, 2, 3, all with knuckles too. Racing, CD, 3D Blast, Adventure 2, Generations. ROBOTNIK'S MEAN BEAN ****ING MACHINE! Maybe I'm missing one?

All of ^them^ I've pretty much 100%/superplayed. Flickies or w/e I played a fair portion of.

Not so much:
Adventure 1, the stupid werewolf one, chaotix, that weird beta one.


I thoroughly enjoy the music/sprites/gameplay/characters of S3&K. The excitement factor and ability to play in different styles is there for me:
shielding yourself at just the right time to be invincible during Robotnik's lazorbeam!!1 ...or being lame and flying over in with tails... and then DOOMSDAY ZONE!
. Get the blue spheres? I got every single one, can live by jumping over fields of reds, etc. Idk - optional minigames were nice. Sprites never age and I get huge nostalgia from it too. /ramble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkQ0WaLFF94
 
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I think emulators might only miscalculate a frame/pixel or two in a generally similar error that console RNGs' outcomes have with certain temperatures.
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If you read any of byuu's (author of bsnes) rants on accuracy, you'll see that he doesn't think this is the case. Here's an article where he notes that some of the speed optimizations in common emulators cause bugs: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/...-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/

He mentions the speed at which certain games play are different on emulators vs real SNES, such as star fox dropping frames on the real SNES but not on emulators.

I can't seem to find the specific rant where he mentions that some TAS runs online can only be done on zsnes and not on real hardware, maybe I'll keep looking for it but I think it was some forum post somewhere. You can read a bunch of his other rants here, it's possibly in there somewhere: http://byuu.org/articles/

Indeed, according to wikipedia: "As of March 23, 2012, the lsnes fork of bsnes is the preferred emulator for creating Tool-assisted speedruns by tasvideos.org, due to its superior accuracy over previous emulators used.[1]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsnes

I would agree that any TAS run on a bsnes-based emulator should be considered completely legit, but who knows about the others. If you believe byuu that timing (read his article about coprocessor emulation) and synchronizing is ignored in many areas, I imagine you'd see many race conditions that could create some wacky effects. Perhaps this is important: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zQp9nmFTUs&hq=1
 
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flaw said:
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It didn't fully occur to me that all of the hardware had to be emulated. I just knew that the SuperFX chip meant that 100% proper emulation wasn't easy/possible.

Those bugs are weird - I usually play popular/accessible games, so I haven't hear of or ran into any of that yet.

Starfox seems way faster emulated. Super Metroid + ZSNES has a weird UI glitch where one of the scanlines moves when it shouldn't

Those chrono trigger comparison videos were awesome! I'm glad someone took the time to make that and you showing me it.

Does the Wii properly play melee?

I would think so... since it's the same game disc... Same applies to all other reverse compatibility? What about the Super Game Boy? Did that just relay i/o?
 
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This one, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKVQ9P0SPjI&feature=related

Doesn't the Wii have actual GCN hardware? So it should be perfect. Same for Early PS3's, except some newer phats emulate either the CPU or GPU (can't remember which) and even newer ones do both? Good question about the SuperGB, I bet it has an entire GB in it and just prints the video to the console, just a guess.

I looked around tasvideos.org forums for more info on this stuff but I couldn't find it so I bet it's mostly not an issue, but if I ever find that post by byuu I'll show it around.

we probably should have posted this in the PR thread but oh well. so bored at work :urg:
 
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flaw said:
This one, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKVQ9P0SPjI&feature=related

Doesn't the Wii have actual GCN hardware? So it should be perfect. Same for Early PS3's, except some newer phats emulate either the CPU or GPU (can't remember which) and even newer ones do both? Good question about the SuperGB, I bet it has an entire GB in it and just prints the video to the console, just a guess.

I looked around tasvideos.org forums for more info on this stuff but I couldn't find it so I bet it's mostly not an issue, but if I ever find that post by byuu I'll show it around.

we probably should have posted this in the PR thread but oh well. so bored at work :urg:
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I typically avoid learning about hardware as much as possible. :shrug:

Well we bump the thread... and no one else is hyping anything up...

Next tournament is the 16th, correct? Hype?
 
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Aside from kelvin being there, i cant think of anything i could possibly want to do less on my birthday then play melee.

But kelvin will be there, so ill show up

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won't be at this one because my first paycheck for my summer job doesn't come in time. I already have july and august dates off, though!
 
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Hey, I'm new to NYC, can I come crash your tourney?
Also, how many setups are there for friendlies (not part of the tourney?) I probably wouldn't be able to make it until the early afternoon or evening, so I'll miss the first part of the tourney, but I still want to meet some smashers in the area.
 
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You exist for a reason! Why have'nt you came?

I do enjoy a good round robin tourney though, but there were only 6 or 7 people there.
 
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huMps said:
You exist for a reason! Why have'nt you came?

I do enjoy a good round robin tourney though, but there were only 6 or 7 people there.
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First one I went to Tora-Con instead
Second one I slept through (oops)
Third one I was working and then partying (it was my last day... yay)

I hope I don't work on the fourth one. I'll have every other weekend off.
 
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Hahaha, I keep forgetting about these things. Hope everyone had fun.
 
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Can we get some talk about the next tourny. I really love these and will prolly come even if there is only 8-9 people, but id really rather us get organized and try to get a good one going. as is there isnt even a date in the thread/title ( even though knowing its the third sat tells us July 21st) All im saying is lets try to get our shiz together so we dont end up like we did last month.

cuse is pretty much confirmed

ithica/nintendude what about you guys
 
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Sad to say it, but I'm leaving upstate NY in early July. I'm moving to Washington, DC to start my career. You guys gotta make it to Impulse!
 
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BetaBahamut said:
Can we get some talk about the next tourny. I really love these and will prolly come even if there is only 8-9 people, but id really rather us get organized and try to get a good one going. as is there isnt even a date in the thread/title ( even though knowing its the third sat tells us July 21st) All im saying is lets try to get our shiz together so we dont end up like we did last month.

cuse is pretty much confirmed

ithica/nintendude what about you guys
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I didn't bother complaining because it was never changed...

Also, you're OP. They happen the third Saturday of each month. You're OP of this thread... just saying... you could ya know... edit the OP... and help spread awareness......
 
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Jesses OP of this one. Im OP of the Upstate general thread. Ill be happy to update that one with this tourny info if I can get a confirm on the date and that its actually gonna happen.
 
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