Okay, so here's why Sang is scum. Basically, Panta gave her away.
Panta's flip is easily the best scum hunting tool we've gathered all game. I'm not sure why more people haven't gotten around to using it to try to draw scum connections. Because there is at least one really obvious one.
This is Panta's first mildly substantive post of the game. He chooses to comment on just a few things. He wants people to know that he REALLY doesn't like a post that my slot made, that he's going to be null on Inferno for pretty much the whole game, and will probably only jump on that lynch if and when the rest of the town starts rolling that way, and most of all, he wants people to know that he does not like Ryker in the Ryker v TSN argument. This will come up again. Panta is going to be really bothered by this.
I mostly just included that post because it's a good precursor to the next one. Here's the big daddy.
This is his next mildly substantive post, and this one is much more telling. In fact, it's the most important post he makes all game, so I'm going to dissect it. It's basically got all the same points from the last post I linked to, but expanded—he doesn't like Ryker's read on TSN; he loves TSN; Gord is so scummy, Inferno's a newby newb. I'm going to focus on is his continued defense of TSN for toDay, but this post is good for much more than that.
He does deserve some credit for at least trying to go about it in more of an anti-Ryker way than a pro-TSN way in the beginning.
I don't like Ryker's immediate interrogation of TSN. In my opinion, he is reading way too far into things and that is obscuring his vision.
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Oh look at that he is doing it again. This interaction with Zen makes me think less of Ryker-scum and more of Ryker-ubertryhard. Meh, he seems too overly aggressive. :\
Edited for space. This is Panta trying to discredit Ryker's reads in general. He just thinks Ryker's "too overly aggressive," you see. There goes crazy uncle Ryker, barkin' up the wrong trees again.
But then he can't help but faun over how towny TSN is.
106 really displays TSN as town in my opinion. I don't get why some of you were all hot and heavy about TSNscum. Then again, I can never tell serious posts from joke posts in RVS.
This part is important, particularly that second sentence. Clearly he's telling the truth about this. He really
doesn't see why other people thought TSN was scummy, which is why he felt safe coming to TSN's defense. This is something that less experienced scum in particular will do. They have trouble seeing their play or their mates' play from town's perspective, so Panta is legitimately confused about why TSN is getting picked on to any degree, so he thinks he can persuade people into believing they don't actually have any reason to suspect them.
But it gets better.
Field of Suspicion is to show that you are interested in a person and that your focus will primarily lie on that person's actions. Being suspicious this early in a game isn't acting cautious... it is normal. SangfroidWarrior is a very cautious player. Anyone in that newbie game would know that. Anyone using her cautiousness as a "scum-tell" is in my opinion an opportunistic scum looking for an easy mislynch.
This is Panta responding to Gord's very correct observation that TSN's D1 FoS is scummy. In general, he's just making an excuse to try to deflate the point that Gord is making (in addition to just picking at everything Gord says because by now Panta has decided that Gord is the townie he's going to try to push to mislynch), but the cherry is the last sentence.
"Anyone using [SangfroidWarrior's] cautiousness as a 'scum-tell' is in my opinion an opportunistic scum looking for an easy mislynch." -Panta
You see that? ANYONE who tries to argue that Sang/TSN looks scummy is THEMSELVES scum, trying to find a mislynch. "Don't you say those nasty things about my scummate or YOU'LL look scummy. Do you feel threatened enough to drop the case now? Huh, do ya?" He's insanely transparent.
A few lines down....
I'll take one. Will they help with anything? I don't like your wagoning on TSN.
Here he is, commenting on Vocal's totally innocuous
"Berries anyone?" post. Notice how there's
nothing that should prompt him to give any opinion on TSN here, but he can't help but defend TSN anyway. "Why are you guys being so mean to TSN? TSN's, like, the towniest town townie there's ever been! So town! Everyone who doesn't think she's town is scummy, man!"
And why are you not pointing out Silph's skim question "Can anyoen point out anything of use in the last 200 posts?"
Do you still read TSN as scummy?
Here's Panta responding to Zen. Coming to TSN's defense out of the ****ing blue
again. Like, I can't highlight this enough. He REALLY, REALLY has a problem with ANYONE thinking negatively of TSN.
There's more in this post that suggests to me that either Vocal or Inferno is the third scumbuddy, but I'd like to deal with that once Sang is out of the picture. I'm personally leaning more toward Inferno at this point, which is why I don't want to see a Vocal lynch happen toDay. I have a hard time connecting Dark Horse to either Panta or Sang, so I think he's town. Which means it would be very, very bad if he got modkilled. Someone please have mercy on this game and replace in.... >_<
Panta goes on to say nothing of any real note for the rest of D1. And D2 he basically just putzes around because he knows he's already a dead man. There's one post in here that very mildly aids my Infernoscum read, but again, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
The important post to take away here is Panta's 316. It's D1; he hasn't gotten the vig ultimatum of D2 yet, and the only person who's really on him at this point is Ryker. The wagon's not picking up. He has no reason to distance himself from anyone. He's genuinely defending TSN here because he feels safe doing it and, in doing so, hands us Sang on a silver platter with his flip. I think this is all pretty compelling reasoning just from this post, but it reads as even more damning in full context. Seriously, reread D1, focusing on Panta and TSN. TSN hardly even
glances in Panta's direction. Hardly ever even acknowledges Panta's existence.
Never speaks directly to him, and only mentions him in contexts like
this and
this. It's weird enough that J of all people would just
ignore someone who was siding with him on something (meta, get at me), but it's also just generally telling the way TSN tries to, like Panta did, discredit Ryker's scum reads. "Seriously, Ryker? You're better than this." Like, come on now.
This post is longer than I intended it to be, but seriously read it if you have the time. And click the links I posted too to get better context of what I'm outlining; I didn't include them for my health.
That, or just trust me that Sang is scum and follow my lead.
Lynch Sang. Win Mafia. Be adored by all.
