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Take your time Poyzin, but on the other hand, we definitely need to starting hearing from @Fire EmblemierPokechuOpossum
more frequently. Days are short and I barely remember anything that those three slots have done. I would like to have all three of you give me some reads (or in @Fire Emblemier 's case, elaborate on the Opo vote) and give us some sort of idea of which direction you would like the Day to take.
Of these eight, besides myself obviously, I'm fairly sure Kary, Pokechu, and Doop are town. Lots of activity for Kary and Doop, while scum likes to lay low. Likewise. Pokechu made a good case for Kary on Day 2 or so, and if he were Mafia, doing that wouldn't be in his best interest, I'd imagine. Unless Kary and Chu are somehow both Mafia, but I find that incredibly unlikely. If one is, though, I think they both are.
I think, if anywhere, the remaining scum are among the other four. FE is my biggest suspicion as of now due to bei incredibly passive, just voting and ditching, more or less. And the weird attempt to spin my actions yesterday as scummy set off some alarm bells.
The real question here is how many scum remain. In a game this size, I'd expect no more than four. We got one already. If there are three remaining out of eight and we mislynch, it's three out of seven. Then at night the Mafia kills someone and wins, as they'd tie the majority. We shouldn't rush to a lynch. It's also why FE's day opening vote based on faulty logic has me worried.
Do you think there's a reason for mafia to risk communicating in thread? The only way I could personally imagine mafia communicating in thread is through their voting, but even that doesn't seem like a justified thing to do unless a strong scummy is about to get lynched.
I'm going to straight up disagree with that because having played a bunch of EM where there is no day communication between members and games are generally more chaotic, it's still not difficult to follow other mafia without communicating directly with them in thread. General plans are still made during the night and with how slow paced forum mafia is, it's easy to figure out what another member is doing without directly communicating with them.
The only reason I bring this up is that I believe your resources are better used elsewhere Kary, this is a moot argument that doesn't need to bring distraction to a short Dasy period.
Likewise. Pokechu made a good case for Kary on Day 2 or so, and if he were Mafia, doing that wouldn't be in his best interest, I'd imagine. Unless Kary and Chu are somehow both Mafia, but I find that incredibly unlikely. If one is, though, I think they both are.
I could imagine Pokechu trying to buddy me as scum. Giving reasons why he thinks I am town makes him seem active... but it is not evidence of him looking for scum.
I have no problem with Pokechu right now, but I'm surprised you think that we must be together.
Having to do a reread to solidify a read doesn't make sense to me as all your other reads (except FE) are based purely on activity/presence. You say that Kary/Doops are town because they are posting a lot and Pokechu is town because scum wouldn't put themselves in the open by building a case on Kary. Then part of your scum read on FE is because he's passive and doesn't contribute much. Bard had been posting a lot, why isn't he a first thought for a town read?
Lay out your plan for toDay because based on your logic, I should be calling you scum for not contributing much and posting shallow reads. Who dies toDay if no one were to post any more after this?
Prepared to give Poyzin a town-pass at least until end-game. Really strikes me that they're working on their own initiative and just a bit out of their depth with forum mafia. I did think that 'actually I was talking to a friend' story was a bit far-fetched, but on consideration along with their other posts I think it's just a long-winded explanation, and not an attempt to persuade or deflect attention.
Didn't see this at first, but you hit it right on the head. I wouldn't write out a full backstory like that if I was trying to deflect attention; there's a certain line in which I speak about things happening in real life where I step out of the game a bit to explain.
When I accuse you of lying, and then go on to explain that I think your reaction was okay, I do not expect you to come back later and reassure me that you were not lying. What kind of mindset does that suggest? Maybe that you are worried about what I think of you?
Poyzin's "It was my friend's idea" smells like a schoolboy-level lie. It is the Canadian Girlfriend of mafia excuses. Why did you do something? Ah well it wasn't me it was my friend...
For Poyzin to come back literal days later and try and reassure me that "stepping outside the game" is somehow a reason to believe him, only gives me reason to doubt.
I should add that one of the few reasons I liked Poyzin's reaction in the first place was that he seemed to be acting on his own. This was before we knew mafia could not talk to one another.
If this was any other Day, I would be laying a vote down right about now.
Well, after a successful meet, and a few (lot of) rounds of Ultimate, I have finally arrived at a computer and can actually address some topics. If this is the latest post that you are reading from me, then rest assured I am working on another one.
@Maven89 is found lying in the snow, unusually naked. He died of exposure to the cold.
His body is burnt, too. Gruesome!
You are Evil Eye, Town Long-Winded Mafia Player
You always do it, you know? You can't help it, because you're in the zone. You have your earbuds in your ears (under your earmuffs) and you throw on a little bit of ear-otic fanfiction, masterfully narrated by Nabe. Maybe it's a new one, but most likely it's one of your favourites. You know this audio by heart. So every time you sit down to play some mafia, you're plugged in. You tune everything out, even the icy Canadian winds battering at the frozen trees outside, and you just go. And by the time that half-hour of auditory ecstasy has finished worming its way into your ears, you've written walls. Like, twelve walls, long, dense and impenetrable. Your work here is done.
ABILITIES
+ Once per Night, choose a player to Wall.
+ A Walled player is unable to act.
+ A Walled player is unable to be acted on.
+ Once per game, during the Day, make a post of 500 words or more.
- The words must be meaningfully related to the game in at least some way.
+ At the end of the post, write "tl;dr lynch Nabe" for example to make every vote on Nabe worth double for the rest of the Day.
SPECIAL NOTES
- Once a Day, you must write a post of least 100 words in length.
- The words must be meaningfully related to the game in at least some way.
- Your vote is worth zero any Day that the above condition is not met.
+ Believe it or not, the above picture demonstrates the height of flamboyantly gay attire and demeanor in Canada.
WIN CONDITION + You win when all threats to the Town have been completely eliminated.
No one has ever asked me, but if they had, I might have said it was Day 4.
That kind of Day would end at 9:30 p.m. EST on 12/28.
I targeted Maven last night. I did not kill Maven last night. Why has it come to the level in which I have to tell you my role?! I am actually extremely frustrated with Kary due to her applying pressure that I'm scum because I said I was immune to cold. If anything, my immunity to cold makes me a logical independent; whether that is correct or not, that's up to you. Mafia being immune to their own killing mechanism shouldn't even come into play unless they intend to f***ing kill themselves. If the mafia kills by the cold, than somebody else must have burned them. My role allows me to see that gasoline was spilled on Maven; I'm afraid that's all I'm going to say for now. I already see it now: Kary and maybe a few others are going to lynch me until I post my role and their still going to lynch on account of me lying.
That's the next thing; as much as I have wanted to give Kary the benefit of the doubt--as far as voting for Shish in order to save Kary out of goodwill--the amount that I have been called out for lying by her is very outrageous and disappointing. I am still slow to accuse her of mafia, and I would rather label her as a townie making a poor decision of targeting me. I also think that, while I made a mistake of incorrectly assuming public knowledge, Kary has already plotted her endgame. I don't think Kary has enough evidence to lynch me as of yet, however I wouldn't be surprised if she scrounges back in time to find a mistake I made prior.
But I am losing focus. The final thing we discovered is that Maven was found to be unusually naked. Bard revealed that he was nude. I have a pretty expensive coat. These variations in clothing levels would make others more susceptible to being targeted for something, but I do not believe it to be a way in which people are killed. Sure, people with less clothing may be more vulnerable to elements, but I do not believe it to be a NK mechanism.
But yes, if you ask me, I feel like Maven made sense to be a NK. The ability to double all of the lynch votes would be unreasonable to have as a mafia ability if we also know that the Mafia kills with the cold. Stu also used their ability right before they were killed in the night. I kept on talking to Nabe during the 2nd and 3rd night phase (without any response, of course. I just wanted to throw my feelings at a blank slate while waiting for the new day to begin) about how I thought I was a likely NK as well. I didn't think of myself to be valuable to any party at the time. The mafia wants to kill me, and the town are skeptical of me. Maven exhausted her "big role move" which caused Maven's eventual death. Nobody left has used their "big ability" besides the mafia and Dooms. Which is why Dooms probably would have been the next NK if I didn't bring it up right now. Bard had used the salt vote that had been revealed by Dooms to keep a lynch vote on the first person to vote for them. Presumably being salty. Seems very much like a town ability if you ask me. Everybody else has been keeping their abilities in, however I expect that you all will want to hear about mine with me being on the outs. I fear that I may befell a similar death to Shishoe. However, I cannot stop you if you still suspect me. I don't want it to come down to a complete confession, (and it shouldn't, because that type of interrogatory gameplay is utterly stupid and shouldn't be applied; that role only belongs to the cop, not the townspeople who use it as a bargaining chip). So with that being said, I think I saved Dooms from being an NK, as well as myself.
I can already sense that there is an enormous amount of reverse psychology at play in this game. This could be interpreted as an atrociously bad game move on my part, but I feel like it needs to be said. A while back I asked Doop what it mean to be obvtown and protown, which led to me being told the definitions being "obvious town" and "town oriented"
Of these eight, besides myself obviously, I'm fairly sure Kary, Pokechu, and Doop are town. Lots of activity for Kary and Doop, while scum likes to lay low.
I thought I was doing a good job trying to do what was best for the town, but I guess my inexperience has got the best of me. Kary, Pokechu, and Doop somehow are more "for the town" than I am. HOW DO YOU EVEN BE "FOR THE TOWN"? I personally feel that townhood perception is subjective, and in a game of mafia where you can never be certain what is true and what isn't, how do you know that these people are being genuine? Actions speak louder than words, and I have been designating my town slots to those who have actually made game-effecting moves that don't strike me as scummy rather than those who vote with the majority and lynch those who have seemed scummy in the past, which worked out well for the first vote and the first vote alone. A perfect "pro-town" player would lynch out the scum on each consecutive vote after the first, but T h A t D i D n ' T h A p P e N. Doops, the most supportive Shish-lynch player of this game and the one who I used to associate with townhood, was wrong. Do I think he's mafia? No, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. We make mistakes and have bad choices of judgement. I went along with Shish to try to save Kary, and I did it again because I didn't want to see Bard eliminated. Throughout the whole process, I kept on assuring myself that Shish was the way to lynch, so I believed it and I stuck with it. Would I go back and do it differently? It wouldn't matter because Shish already had a majority of the votes.
When I accuse you of lying, and then go on to explain that I think your reaction was okay, I do not expect you to come back later and reassure me that you were not lying. What kind of mindset does that suggest? Maybe that you are worried about what I think of you?
In the post that you quoted of me, I literally only quoted the last sentence that you did. I could assume that misquoting was meant to shed a negative light on me to justify your reasoning, but I'll ignore that and move on. It's part of the game. I'll head back and recapture the snippets of dialogue that you most graciously provided.
Didn't see this at first, but you hit it right on the head. I wouldn't write out a full backstory like that if I was trying to deflect attention; there's a certain line in which I speak about things happening in real life where I step out of the game a bit to explain.
It was a rather long-winded explanation, even if you believe it to be far-fetched. I was agreeing with you in the sense that there was no strategic masterplot that I was deviously scheming when I spoke Korean, of all things. Why are we back here again? This seems a little bit TOO petty, even if you believe it to be a
I really don't want to lynch you. I am rather confident that you are town. It's just really frustrating to make me have to defend myself. All I wanted to do was to clean up loose ends between you and I during my quote by justifying what you said, hopefully clearing up anything we had between us so we could play the game more civilized.
,
(which by the way was made it consensus with me. It isn't like "my sister stole my phone and typed it", just a funny thing to do.)
I don't want to play this game with players who are actively trying to provoke a reaction, *ahem* *poisoning gambit* *ahem*, but I also want to win. So I'll put up with it. I don't want apologies for playing the game, I just want to play the game.
Okay, my steaminess has now subsided. I have now reached unprecedented levels of zen. Sorry to JTB
that your response got merged with my reaction to #HBC | Kary
, who at this point I don't really mind votes for me. But I hope I answered your questions about my thoughts on the Maven lynch at some point in there. I wrote this for 80 minutes. I'm going to go grab something to eat.
#1049 reads really genuine tbh so I don't think I can endorse Poyzin wagon today. I would like to ISO the remaining players - does anyone know if there's an an easy way to make this forum do that? (i. e. show me all posts made by player X in this thread)
I think PoE narrows down my preferred pool to FE/Pokechu/Dooms. I am torn about JTB, though. I've thought he's made intelligent points, but after Shish flipping Town I'm a little more concerned that he agreed with me on it. Half of me says that it's a sign he's got similar lines of thought, so Town, the other half says that if he were Mafia, he'd know I was on the wrong path and be happy to walk behind me on it.
Sorry for dropping mostly off the radar, holiday business doesn't leave me with a ton of time, and I probably need to do a lot of rereading given that I no longer have my previous scumreads (shish/poyzin). I come home on the 30th, so if I'm alive the next Day it should return to normal.
#1049 reads really genuine tbh so I don't think I can endorse Poyzin wagon today. I would like to ISO the remaining players - does anyone know if there's an an easy way to make this forum do that? (i. e. show me all posts made by player X in this thread)
#1049 reads really genuine tbh so I don't think I can endorse Poyzin wagon today. I would like to ISO the remaining players - does anyone know if there's an an easy way to make this forum do that? (i. e. show me all posts made by player X in this thread)
So after sleeping on it and giving it some thought, so that I'm confident in my vote, I'm going to Vote: FE.
Part of it is, of course, self-preservation, but part of it also stems from their "doing the bare minimum" style of gameplay (hopping on wagons, or doing a vote-and-run) which, from past games, usually indicates a Mafia alignment.
However, I cannot stop you if you still suspect me. I don't want it to come down to a complete confession, (and it shouldn't, because that type of interrogatory gameplay is utterly stupid and shouldn't be applied; that role only belongs to the cop, not the townspeople who use it as a bargaining chip).
I'd say depends on the player. I know one of these games that's exactly how a scum got busted, someone voted for them alongside claiming day vig and they freaked out a bit too much. But in Poyzin's case (if you were referring to him) since I think he said he didn't have much experience? Not sure, can't recall, but in that case being overly defensive I'd read null since while it could be a scum tell, especially when he'd have no communication with his scummates so he'd be solo dolo, it could also be a townie genuinely afraid that he may be getting lynched. And when we've only busted one scum it's possible LyLo is on the way soon, so Poyzin has reason to be scared of his lynch.
I've been OK with Poyzin, he's been stumbling around but I don't think it's the suspicious kind of stumbling where it's artificial. I'll read up on what I have left of the thread and then comment.
Copying and pasting is against the rules. Don't do that. You have to paraphrase.
What I'm looking for is more or less:
Who you picked for your role (your character)
Your type of role (e.g. cop)
What abilities you can use at Night.
Who you have used those abilities so far each Night.
I still say that Fire could be looked into, will ISO them in a bit with all their posts. Because ALL I remember from this slot is "vote X yeah they seem like a good choice" and Fire usually has much more substance to his posts.
You neglected to answer why this is my best interest. And what I get in return. It seems to be like this is very much one-sided, as I don't see you willing to reveal any info yourself.
You neglected to answer why this is my best interest. And what I get in return. It seems to be like this is very much one-sided, as I don't see you willing to reveal any info yourself.
It is SOME information in the context of this game.
I find it highly unlikely that revealing your role will somehow cause the entire town to unravel.
You have already said enough that mafia can make a guess at your role, and know how to kill you, if they can.
Your privacy is not more important than town winning the game.
Asking to be lynched before revealing your role is irrational; it will be revealed when you die.
Why exactly do you have something to hide in this respect? Is it because you are lying? Or are you just paranoid, and self-important?
I don't think that it's fair that you should have to out your role just because I say so.
But these game Days are very short, and so far, in my eyes, you have made a series of mistakes:
--Saying you had seen someone else mention the cold
--Saying you were immune to the cold (immune to night kill?)
--Saying that you had visited Maven and "seen gasoline"
and etc.
You can clear up our misunderstanding by claiming.
I had a few pages to catch up on thank u, Venomoth, next but I can see why Kary has her scumread of Poyzin. I didn't notice it at first but him including cold in that list is sketch as he did say he found it from some other post, but there isn't one? His explanation for that wildly confused me, saying he knew that most wouldn't be aware of it, but that it was also public knowledge.
However, based on how transparent the slot has been, I'm not sure I want to vote there today. It does only take one slip for a scum to be found out, but with all of the known elements in the game Poyzin's immunity to cold I wouldn't label scummy immediately. It's possible that it's just this game's version of bulletproof. Most of my experience has been with role madness games and this is on the lower end of that, but in a lot of the games I've partaken in there have been bulletproof townies. Players being resistant to the cold in this game isn't alarming to me for that reason.
I have to concur with Doops as well that I read his 1049 really genuine (as in he really feared dying). While that could mean he's either alignment, I'll put my chips on him being town. It really does read as "stressed townie trying to live" over "slipped scum making a case" which he would have needed to make independently due to lack of Day communication. I'd find Poyzin strapped in that scenario if he has little experience. How he went about explaining his intentions and actions seemed authentic, and I think if it was scum!Poyzin he would have handwaved much more issues and been flippant about his approaches.
I do agree that Poyzin has said some wacky stuff today
I love this emoji LOL with the gasoline on Maven, again with the confusing explanation of why he mentioned cold, but I don't see it as anything he should be hanged for. I'm much more sketch of Fire who has just coasted along, not saying much and only putting out votes, eagerly hopping on the GLG wagon (yeah, both Shish and GLG flipped town, but would a townie not be more careful on turning the tide of the two most voted lynches to include a whole new wagon?). Today he has put out a vote for Opo and has not returned, putting the vote down because he felt Opo's limiting the lynch pool was scummy, but that is very flimsy. I'm not too fond of Opo, I do think that more could be coming from the slot, but Fire usually contributes way more than he has and the way he has played raises my unibrow LOL just kidding I swear I have eyebrows
Pokechu
Opossum more frequently. Days are short and I barely remember anything that those three slots have done. I would like to have all three of you give me some reads (or in @Fire Emblemier 's case, elaborate on the Opo vote) and give us some sort of idea of which direction you would like the Day to take.
