Unpopular Smash Opinions (BE CIVIL)

[Thegameandwatch]

While Project M had great ideas for the most part, I think it’s just weird that they were very inconsistent with the Melee characters since some were obviously updated (Ganondorf and Roy for example) while others were reverted to their Melee counterparts without much changes (Falco)

It’s like how Sheik still has Chain despite it not being a good move because they didn’t want to buff the character too much. Same with removing its tether recovery function that was in Brawl.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

While Project M had great ideas for the most part, I think it’s just weird that they were very inconsistent with the Melee characters since some were obviously updated (Ganondorf and Roy for example) while others were reverted to their Melee counterparts without much changes (Falco)

It’s like how Sheik still has Chain despite it not being a good move because they didn’t want to buff the character too much. Same with removing its tether recovery function that was in Brawl.

I'm pretty sure the mentality was based on Melee tier placement. Project M as a whole originated as a project to revert Falco, and I'd say it was the right move, at least in regards to shine. That's also why Brawl newcomers generally got more changes than Melee and 64 newcomers as a whole, it wasn't made for Brawl fans.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Now that I think about it, the fact that Wario-Man could use items can pretty much explain why his power boost wasn't too significant. Whereas, for Giga Mac, his damage output had to be doubled for most of his attacks to compensate for his inability to use items; something that Giga Bowser should've had himself, as he too couldn't use items.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I just posted about this on the MVS thread, and it kinda surprised me that the response suggested my experience wasn't simply rare but an outright outlier. Not an opinion, but could give context for why I see Smash the way I do.

I wasn't sold on Smash as a kid by Pikachu or Mario or Yoshi or even Sonic, I browsed the Brawl dojo with a family member who was interested in the game (IIRC they wanted to play as Sheik as they liked OOT) and was really sold on it when I saw these images:

I got into Smash because I wanted to play as this funny silhouette man and find out what he's about. I always assumed everybody who likes Smash got into it because they saw some cool character - maybe Falco, Meta Knight, Ness, ROB, so on - they have never heard of, who just happened to be standing alongside Mario, or some very specific side-character from a specific game they played (like Sheik as mentioned above) - the "nobody plays as Mario in Mario Kart" meme - and that the only outlier element to my experience was that it was Mr. G&W specifically and not a "cool" character.

 

[GothicSlenderman]

Smash fans are the straight white guys of platform fighters.

They take up the majority, are the most privileged, get everything they want but act like they're the most oppressed. They go after any minority (literally any other platform fighter) and act like we're out to get them when we're just trying to exist when everything is already against us.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Smash fans are the straight white guys of platform fighters.

They take up the majority, are the most privileged, get everything they want but act like they're the most oppressed. They go after any minority (literally any other platform fighter) and act like we're out to get them when we're just trying to exist when everything is already against us.

You have a point but that is a terrible comparison.

 

[Perkilator]

Smash fans are the straight white guys of platform fighters.

They take up the majority, are the most privileged, get everything they want but act like they're the most oppressed. They go after any minority (literally any other platform fighter) and act like we're out to get them when we're just trying to exist when everything is already against us.

Not to mention that they refuse to give anything outside their bubble a fair shot and only like what they already know.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I just posted about this on the MVS thread, and it kinda surprised me that the response suggested my experience wasn't simply rare but an outright outlier. Not an opinion, but could give context for why I see Smash the way I do.

I wasn't sold on Smash as a kid by Pikachu or Mario or Yoshi or even Sonic, I browsed the Brawl dojo with a family member who was interested in the game (IIRC they wanted to play as Sheik as they liked OOT) and was really sold on it when I saw these images:
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I got into Smash because I wanted to play as this funny silhouette man and find out what he's about. I always assumed everybody who likes Smash got into it because they saw some cool character - maybe Falco, Meta Knight, Ness, ROB, so on - they have never heard of, who just happened to be standing alongside Mario, or some very specific side-character from a specific game they played (like Sheik as mentioned above) - the "nobody plays as Mario in Mario Kart" meme - and that the only outlier element to my experience was that it was Mr. G&W specifically and not a "cool" character.

I wanna say I got into Melee as a kid after seeing the Pokemon in it and not knowing who anyone else is, but the truth is I stuck almost exclusively to those Pokemon + Mario in my played experience of the game. That said, I think I did grow into the "who the heck is that" appeal as I got older, with folks like ROB and G&W now being some of my favorites. Maybe I just became a closeted hipster or something

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Smash fans are the straight white guys of platform fighters.

They take up the majority, are the most privileged, get everything they want but act like they're the most oppressed. They go after any minority (literally any other platform fighter) and act like we're out to get them when we're just trying to exist when everything is already against us.

I understand what you're saying, Smash is the biggest of the genre with nothing else coming even remotely close to it, but this is an incredibly weird thing to say. I may not check out much in the genre but isn't Rivals of Aether pretty popular with a healthy playerbase and no big glaring issues people have like Multiversus' monitization, PSABR's mechanic of only killing with supers or NASB just being ridiculously cheap looking and feeling at launch? Especially when these games unfortunately often get hyped up as Smash killers, thus having overly fanatic people get very defensive as a response (which tbf isn't a Smash specific thing)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Smash fans are the straight white guys of platform fighters.

They take up the majority, are the most privileged, get everything they want but act like they're the most oppressed. They go after any minority (literally any other platform fighter) and act like we're out to get them when we're just trying to exist when everything is already against us.

Not a good comparison cause Smash is the originator of these platform fighter games. Hence in a superior position both in marketability, budget, fan base and business prospects. Also, most other platform fighters just had one installment and so people are much happier to just have that one game to experience.

The fans are definitely annoying, loud and privileged but, not a good comparison still.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I think if there's any real world comparison you can give to elitist Smash fans, it's the way less extreme/tone-deaf comparison (not even a comparison depending on context) of school bullies. Nintendo's hype marketing - even if not by intention - directly contributes to an unhealthily competitive environment extending outside of the game, there's only so much accountability you can put on the little guy when it all clearly starts at one big, very powerful guy.

 

[Perkilator]

I think a plethora of veteran reworks plus more of a balance between single-player and multi-player content would be more than enough for the next Smash game to stand out from Ultimate and feel fresh in its own right.

 

[Cyborg Sun]

I always assumed everybody who likes Smash got into it because they saw some cool character - maybe Falco, Meta Knight, Ness, ROB, so on - they have never heard of, who just happened to be standing alongside Mario, or some very specific side-character from a specific game they played (like Sheik as mentioned above) - the "nobody plays as Mario in Mario Kart" meme - and that the only outlier element to my experience was that it was Mr. G&W specifically and not a "cool" character.

me getting into this game as a young kid by pure random chance (parents picked it up alongside getting a wii) not knowing who any of the characters were aside from pikachu (who I didn't even know was in the game until I actually started playing) and maybe sonic (again, didn't know was in the game AND unlockable):

 

[SharkLord]

I understand what you're saying, Smash is the biggest of the genre with nothing else coming even remotely close to it, but this is an incredibly weird thing to say. I may not check out much in the genre but isn't Rivals of Aether pretty popular with a healthy playerbase and no big glaring issues people have like Multiversus' monitization, PSABR's mechanic of only killing with supers or NASB just being ridiculously cheap looking and feeling at launch? Especially when these games unfortunately often get hyped up as Smash killers, thus having overly fanatic people get very defensive as a response (which tbf isn't a Smash specific thing)

Yeah, Rivals seems like it's pretty healthy. Half of it was the workshop and the other half was having a more competitive-oriented platform fighter, which let them build their way up to an actual sequel, which I'd totally play if I had computer stronger than an average laptop. It's just that there's very few other platform fighters that have both the name power and the polish of Smash without being super gimmicky. I think there was another competitive plat-fighter out there, Rushdown Revolt, but I haven't heard that name in ages so who knows how it's doing