Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[Purple]

1000th reply!

sorry guys

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nich how would we get a clear from keeping Macman alive.

Also, why don't we just let Ryker get modkilled/replaced instead of lynching him.

Let me walk you through this.

Gov saves TPK.
If TPK dies in the night, we know Macman's telling the truth.
Else, he's lying and we lynch him.
The only thing to be wary of is if scum NK's TPK or no-kills or something like that.

@KevinM
I'd be fine with Virg. Remember how early on today he had Macman in his super-townie list and when I called him out on it he backed up furiously and eventually started pushing the lynch?

@Gheb
Back it up. Or are you waiting for Ryker to finally post his case on me?

@Ryker
I haven't forgotten you.

Unvote

Vote: Virg

 

[Evil Eye]

Hey Roxy what's your opinion of Virg.

I figure if you can take all this time to post fluff you can say something substantial to make up for it.

 

[Purple]

i post fluff all day shawty. f all dat

 

[Purple]

#579 - shows that he 'has a scum list', never however unveils it.

#670 - Leans away from me being scum (however never said i was scummy in the first place)

Also makes claims; while he wants KevinM to post, doesn't FoS him in anyway.

(from here, i'm going to assume that his lists included of TPK and Moronik,
incase it's necessary, let's remember this for now)

#709 - Still not certain of anything, i would consider this fluff, considering
he's said the same thing before, but on an earlier page.
#729 - From here, he says that macman and more of the elite four shouldn't be lynched due to previous meta. His list suddenly grew quite large.

#731 - defending town although there's no proof of truely being town. There
was never an alliance between him and Macman.

#744 - metagaming explanation of Macman

#749 - explains why he's not voting for macman. This could also be...
1) he doesn't want people to wagon onto macman.
2) he doesn't want to have to explain why he doesn't like macman. giving people information on his scumminess. Possible alliance between these two? Let's see..

#755 - goes into detail about his list, Now it is TPK, Moronik, and KevinM
no real changes here between the list from the beginning of the day to now.

#866 - Has thoughts on me and my gameplay, doesn't vote however.

#868 - Finally threatens macman and basically starts a bandwagon.

#953 - More info on macman

and the last stuff is defense/ pressure on macman.

He's remained consistent throughout today with his votes/claims. I feel he's pretty town; aggressive about killing macman in particular, which is understandable after his post on macman's general uselessness for a day and a half..

Macman/KevinM for mafia however. (pretty much what i FoS'd earlier)

 

[Kirby King]

Day 2 Vote Count (Lynch 2)
Macman (5): Scamp, Fatchu, Virgilijus, The Paprika Killer, Roxy
KevinM (4): Macman, Moronik, Gheb_01, Xonar
Virgilijus (2): KevinM, Nicholas1024

Not voting: Sold2, Ryker, Evil Eye

It takes 8 out of 14 votes to lynch.

The Day 2 deadline is Saturday, March 27 at 11:59:59 PM ET.


Ryker has been prodded again. If he doesn't respond to the prod in 48 hours he will be replaced or (if the replacement list remains empty) modkilled. If he has to be modkilled and he's town-aligned, this will end the Day, per the rules in the first post.

 

[Purple]

SOMEBODY DIE Dx

 

[Evil Eye]

Gov saves TPK.
If TPK dies in the night, we know Macman's telling the truth.
Else, he's lying and we lynch him.
The only thing to be wary of is if scum NK's TPK or no-kills or something like that.

Bothered by a lot about this post:

If TPK doesn't die then we have a reason to lynch macman but the town also decided to lynch Paprika, who will now be alive, and who STILL hasn't given us the list of reads and at this point I am convinced is scum. If Macman lied then this entire day has been an enormous setback, unless we hit scum with this second lynch.

That's what we should be "wary of". I don't see how scum nightkilling Paprika is all that likely in comparison to other bad things that can come from this situation, because TPK is looking anything but townie right now.

And a scum no-kill is pretty much never a bad thing ever. Explain that comment.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Let me walk you through this.

Gov saves TPK.
If TPK dies in the night, we know Macman's telling the truth.
Else, he's lying and we lynch him.
The only thing to be wary of is if scum NK's TPK or no-kills or something like that.

This still doesn't clear him at all. If we went through with this plan, and TPK died tomorrow what would we accomplish? We would prove that Macman's a poisoner, maybe. Why does poisoner mean town to you? Poisoner is traditionally a 3rd party role, it takes the place of a Serial Killer. I even just used one in the game I hosted on AiB.

Even after that, Poisoner can also be mafia aligned. I don't think the mafia would have 2 nKills in a game this size, but what do I know? I'm not going to assume things about the set-up. Hell, for this plan to even work, it assumes that the twilight role is Governor. Who knows that it's not something else, like vengeful townie or anything like that?

Oh and not to mention, but even if this plan had some merit to it to begin with, you go ahead and tell the scum what to do to counter your plan if it even happened.

I don't see how this plan is supposed to help town at all, but for mafia, let's say Macman is a mafia poisoner, or that TPK is mafia whatever, you're saving one of your scumbuddies from a lynch, or falsely confirming scum as town.

I've rambled on, and I feel this is worth a vote. Vote Nicholas.

Because Nick is probably scum pretending to be useful.

...

 

[Virgilijus]

I don't buy the argument that Scumman would beseech the town for a direction to go in when the mafia team functions as a think tank. If I'm understanding your point about Mac picking Kevmo and then people "jump on" correctly, Virg, you're flipflopping. First you say that he is likely scum that wants to divert attention and so flails blindly, asking the town for direction.

Now, faced with the rebuttal that Macman would have mafiat brethren to ask for that point, rather than the town itself in open forum... you imply that that is what he did? What, he asked them who he could flip the town radar onto easily and they said to go after KevinM? Why didn't they give him some posts to point to, since Mac was tweeting about his status on rereading the thread as he went? Why didn't they give him an easier target, like Roxy?

I've seen you tunnel as town, Virg, but I've never seen you be inconsistent. Coincidentally, I've never seen you be scum.

That implies that he has his mafia brethren on at the same time he posts. This game being full of Dutchies and opposite coast people and Macman posting in the middle of the day at L-2, there is a chance he might not have had contact with them. Is it a good chance? Is it as good as a player at L-2 who claims a miller who poisoned a man just lynched but hasn't flipped? I'm not going to rule it out.

Whit irks me is that, if my memory serves right, very few people had verbally talked negative about KevinM, Mac (at L-2) asks people about him and a wagon immediately forms. It sits ill with me.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You claimed you refused to play, for town, for reasons outside of the game, yet pretended you were until being called out on it.

i never pretended i was playing.. what are you even saying, this point is very clearly reaching

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Are you going to pull another SLJ was it, where you said since you were clear you no longer had to post?

this was clearly a joke

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I don't like how Nick is so quick to vote with Kevin, I don't really see Virg as scummy at all.

 

[Virgilijus]

i never pretended i was playing.. what are you even saying, this point is very clearly reaching

Are you saying the posts you made over that week long stretch were well thought out and representative of your normal caliber of play?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry if I missed it: Sold2, what's your scumlist?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Are you saying the posts you made over that week long stretch were well thought out and representative of your normal caliber of play?

one of us is missing something here

my point is tht im not being deceitful.
You say I am cuz I pretended as if I was playing well when I actually wasn't. My response is that I never pretended I was playing well at all so I wasn't being deceitful.

also kevin, how do you not get my roleclaim. **** is very simple to understand

 

[Moronik]

quickhit: governor is NOT saving paprika killer. **** no. how is that even being suggested holy ****

 

[Nicholas1024]

Bothered by a lot about this post:

If TPK doesn't die then we have a reason to lynch macman but the town also decided to lynch Paprika, who will now be alive, and who STILL hasn't given us the list of reads and at this point I am convinced is scum. If Macman lied then this entire day has been an enormous setback, unless we hit scum with this second lynch.

That's what we should be "wary of". I don't see how scum nightkilling Paprika is all that likely in comparison to other bad things that can come from this situation, because TPK is looking anything but townie right now.

And a scum no-kill is pretty much never a bad thing ever. Explain that comment.

What I mean to be wary of is false-clearing macman. If its apparent that it was Macman's poisoner role as he claimed that killed TPK (and not a scum mindgaming NK), then we can be pretty sure he's town. There is no way that an anti-town role (as of N1, given the situation) would waste a shot on TPK. Given that Macman's become active now, if his role were to be confirmed like this, I'd feel pretty good about trusting him. However, if Macman's scum, and the scum shoots TPK, we'd have a false-clear on our hands.

@Sold2
Do you really think an anti-town role would shoot TPK N1? Do you? Besides, as far as mafia NK shenanigans go, if we see something that's obviously the mafia NK (say... EE or another prominent townie dying), we're okay, whilst if we don't (Nobody that could be considered town dies), we know not to trust Macman. Not to mention getting scum to do something like that with their NK (instead of killing someone everyone considers town) is good for us. Besides, do you really think that everyone's so stupid that they couldn't figure out how a plan like this works? I'd have been quite surprised if none of the however many scum (although probably 3-4) didn't figure out how messing with the NK could hinder the idea.

 

[Purple]

virgilius is pretty legit right nao. let's kill macman.

 

[Purple]

btw guys, p1005 was my view on virgilius

 

[Nicholas1024]

I'm going to reread and see if that changes my views on today's lynch.

 

[Purple]

you probably do.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Interesting exchange between Virg and Mac. Gonna take a look at that.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Well, although I still don't like Virg, I'd be fine with a Macman/Roxy lynch. (No gov saving today. My last idea left us open to way to much WIFOM.)

 

[Fatchu]

I like virg right now, and I dont like mac, I just think mac is trying to go after someone to avoid getting lynch.

 

[Purple]

nich is hatin on my swaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.

Nicholas, what has made me seem scummy in d2?

 

[Evil Eye]

The dumb or scum scenarios in this game may very well cause me to take my own life T_T

 

[Evil Eye]

FoS: Nic because his answer to me completely talked around my points about Day-wasting and continued to assume TPK as town for some ungodly reason. Nic looks bad if Paprika flips town, as the way Pap played this game only scum could have known for sure if that's the case.

Gonna reread tonight or this weekend. Super duper FoS if Nic was on the lynch and Pap flips town.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Posting real quick to let everyone know my computer got virused pretty bad. Also a tourney on saturday. Not sure when I'm getting back.

 

[Nicholas1024]

FoS: Nic because his answer to me completely talked around my points about Day-wasting and continued to assume TPK as town for some ungodly reason. Nic looks bad if Paprika flips town, as the way Pap played this game only scum could have known for sure if that's the case.

Gonna reread tonight or this weekend. Super duper FoS if Nic was on the lynch and Pap flips town.

Not following you EE. The plan wouldn't have been too bad if we knew TPK was town. Wouldn't it have been a much worse idea if he was scum? Besides, did you read my latest post in which I said that I changed my mind because the plan was too full of WIFOM?

 

[Evil Eye]

But we don't know TPK was town. We decided as a majority that he is likely enough to be scum that he should die. Furthermore, nothing he has done has implied him as townie-ish at all in this game. And yes, obviously it would be a worse idea if he was scum. That was kind of my point. As far as a plan to test Macman it would make a waste of this Day if we don't hit scum on this second lynch.

By the way, more than three days sinch Pap promised to do a rundown on everybody. Governor should absolutely not save, terrible idea.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@everyone, why should i die over ryker btw

also virg, back to the deceitful point. In broom mafia, I took stances on stuff and made fake points and crap. That was being deceitful, Today, I have legit not done anything except to say not to kill TPK. I never tried to pretend that I had some legit stuff to say I just remained non-interest the entire time.

also this game[day] has very little content, nothing particularly strong stood out to me when I caught up

 

[DtJ S2n]

System restore is the best thing Microsoft has ever thought of.

Macman, why exactly should Ryker go? If it's because of inactivity, why don't we just let him get modkilled.

Gheb, I'll make a scumlist first thing I do when I get home tomorrow. 1 AM johns.

 

[KevinM]

I'll go Ryker/Virg/Roxy

Dats it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm trying to decide if i think virg is scummy or not.

also fatchu can die

 

[KevinM]

Word, I forgot Fatchu is in this game >_>.

 

[Scamp]

Right now I'm just waiting to see if Ryker gets modkilled.

Xonar I haven't forgotten about you. I don't make empty promises.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Fatchu and Ryker are good lynches. Maybe Nick too though I'm still flip-flopping in my head if he's dumb or scum. If he's dumb he's almost guaranteed town.

Mac, I don't think you should die over Ryker. However, Ryker is likely to get modkilled unlike you so people who find both of you two suspicious will vote you.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Everybody forgot about Roxy?

 

[Fatchu]

Well he didnt post yesterday, Id like to hear from him right now, if he dosent post by the end of the day, i think we might have to bring suspision back to him.