Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[Virgilijus]

wasn't a defense. I was just saying it's dumb to govern tpk and lynch me because governing tpk wouldn't serve any purpose except for prolonging his death.

the other point was tht I could just be lying and both tpk and I are scum, and if you govern him and don't lynch me then he wouldn't die tomorrow morning, and scum would have lived to another day. this was just a random side comment tht didn't really have a purpose.

my defense is my claim pretty much

This is also incredibly vague and I don't know how i'm deceitful by presenting ideas to people that they should have already been considering if they knew anything about how to play mafia.

You are deceitful because you you have said nothing of substance yet are claiming you are. Your own worst case scenario is that we don't lynch you and it hurts town, then you backtrack and say that it was just a random side note and didn't have a purpose.

Your only real defense is your role claim which you admit to not remembering correctly, says that invests on you show guilty but you're still town, your one time use delayed vig kill you used Night 1 on the person who is guaranteed to be dead by the end of the day (barring governor) making it impossible to prove your claim.

 

[Purple]

Plus, with a one-shot role. (which you should've read correctly in the first place). You would think you would wait to find a scummy person.

Or you would've used it on me, since i'm quite scummy and such.

 

[Kirby King]

Day 2 Vote Count (Lynch 2)
Macman (6): Scamp, Fatchu, Virgilijus, The Paprika Killer, KevinM, Roxy
Ryker (2): Moronik, Nicholas1024
Roxy (1): Xonar
KevinM (1): Macman

Not voting: Sold2, Gheb_01, Ryker, Evil Eye

It takes 8 out of 14 votes to lynch.

The Day 2 deadline is Saturday, March 27 at 11:59:59 PM ET.


For future reference, if I see a bolded "vote: name" in the main body of your post (excluding quote tags) I will count it as a vote, even if you put the word "fake" before it. Don't bold it if you don't want it to count.

 

[Purple]

Man.. i still can't believe how convenient that role is.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You are deceitful because you you have said nothing of substance yet are claiming you are.

false, I know i haven't done anything useful. The reason why I'm considered a lynch candidate

Your only real defense is your role claim which you admit to not remembering correctly, says that invests on you show guilty but you're still town, your one time use delayed vig kill you used Night 1 on the person who is guaranteed to be dead by the end of the day (barring governor) making it impossible to prove your claim.

basically,
I never said it was a good defense lol

IWhat do people think about KevinM?

I personally don't think roxy is scum based on the last 7 or so pages

and I'm not one to wait with my power. Especially because I'm a poisoner and the affects aren't even immediate. I was trying to think of who would be a good idea to kill, and I knew it should be someone that wouldn't get lynched easily tomorrow. But I got lazy and didn't reread like I told myself I would and just settled tpk becuz marshy said so and cuz I didn't think people would wanna lynch him over ryker,rockin or roxy. I was also considering kevinM but there was alot of stuff he did tht made me think he was town. But I still get this scummy vibe from him.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I for one believe Mac, he did exactly what I expected him to do and he also did that in Scum Wars, in which he was Town. What I'm seeing right now is typical Macman play.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

*macman town play.

Iunno about Kevin, he's been outing suspicion but not really doing anything besides that. He's not reallyy participating but he's fine with me atm.

 

[Moronik]

dunno about xonar. my initial reaction was to say dumbtown but i guess id say that if he was scum too. rather not lynch him today tho

hmm. macmans play aligns with his claim very well. he kept saying to stop worrying about tpk and came around to him near the end of d1. if hes telling the truth then hes town cuz if he was scum he would no way in hell poison tpk

still wanna keep him around

kevin? wanted to go ryker but sure why not

unvote vote kevin

 

[Purple]

Moronik switchin extra hard

 

[Purple]

I'd rather hear KevinM's PoV to all of this sudden switch and compare stories.

 

[Moronik]

Your only real defense is your role claim which you admit to not remembering correctly, says that invests on you show guilty but you're still town, your one time use delayed vig kill you used Night 1 on the person who is guaranteed to be dead by the end of the day (barring governor) making it impossible to prove your claim.

bad memory != scummy youre holding the miller claim against him and his play aligns with the claim

Plus, with a one-shot role. (which you should've read correctly in the first place). You would think you would wait to find a scummy person.

Or you would've used it on me, since i'm quite scummy and such.

tpk was plenty scummy and id be more inclined to think mac would use it n1 due to all the fodder

btw stop the perpetual bawwing and double posts. your noise makes the game even more a pain in the *** to read through

 

[Purple]

Man up

 

[Moronik]

ronike agrees that the play lines up. hmm. my main problem with it is that mac didnt push harder against the tpk lynch. he did say "dont lynch him" but not screaming it like he shouldve been. here we go again with dumb-or-scum...

 

[Purple]

macman apparently isn't a dumb player. SO why wouldn't he do that.

 

[Virgilijus]

bad memory != scummy youre holding the miller claim against him and his play aligns with the claim

tpk was plenty scummy and id be more inclined to think mac would use it n1 due to all the fodder

His play was literally not playing over a week before giving a very precarious claim that happened cover all his bases if he were mafia. How does essentially not playing align with miller? Doing so drew attention to himself and put him the worst imaginable situation for him.

I'm not going to metagame Mac; he has not helped at all so far and I'm not going to wager on him helping more. He may overall be a good player, but he has admitted to being lazy and not grasping the game.

 

[Moronik]

ronike agrees that the play lines up. hmm. my main problem with it is that mac didnt push harder against the tpk lynch. he did say "dont lynch him" but not screaming it like he shouldve been. here we go again with dumb-or-scum...

that makes me believe the claim even more. as d1 ended macman started to acknowledge that tpk was scummy...so why the 180 come d2? then i think it becomes more an issue of "would macman say tpk was town in anticipation of claiming miller poisoner later?" which i dont think hed do. hmmmmmmmm

 

[Purple]

Well.. there's a problem there Virg, which is probably what causes so much stir. Regardless if he didn't grasp the game before, it seems as if he does now, and has given a very good explanation of his role along with a good choice for the role.

While i agree that him being a good player in general shouldn't be why he shouldn't be lynched, I'm sure others will rather him stay alive then say, me.

Macman could you go into detail about KevinM?

 

[Purple]

that makes me believe the claim even more. as d1 ended macman started to acknowledge that tpk was scummy...so why the 180 come d2? then i think it becomes more an issue of "would macman say tpk was town in anticipation of claiming miller poisoner later?" which i dont think hed do. hmmmmmmmm

he also says "oh nooo.. they lynched tpk" after the lynch.

 

[Virgilijus]

Well.. there's a problem there Virg, which is probably what causes so much stir. Regardless if he didn't grasp the game before, it seems as if he does now

What explicitly has he said? He explained his role claim, but what else? he's asked people for thoughts on KevinM but hasn't given any himself.

To me it just feels like a desperate scramble to get eyes on some one else but, because he has been lazy, he doesn't know precisely what direction would be best so is asking for help. He has posted more in the past day than in the past few weeks, but being L-2 will do that to most.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

that makes me believe the claim even more. as d1 ended macman started to acknowledge that tpk was scummy...so why the 180 come d2? then i think it becomes more an issue of "would macman say tpk was town in anticipation of claiming miller poisoner later?" which i dont think hed do. hmmmmmmmm

i had a brief idea about claiming tht i copped tpk and he was town lol. But i didn't cuz I would have gotten yelled at later.

anyways, I another reason I didn't deal with this game as much as I should have [besides me being busy] was because I wasn't ready to make a post in NSMafia, and if I kept posting in here without a post there, it would look bad.

but I mean I understand why I should die so yea. TPK might be scum so it wouldn't be THAT bad if I got lynched. Though I'm kind of doubting tht he's scum simply because I am metaing his role. sigh

Virg you should trust your metaaaa
also virg tht whole thing about asking for help becuz I don't know which direction to go is pretty dumb. Cuz I could just ask my scummates. And they probably would advise me to make a case on someone and not ask other ppls opinions about ppl. This and the one about me being deceitful were both pretty dumb. I usually don't see dumb coming from you soooooooo i'm wondering if tht's scummy.

also I would support a ryker lynch too.

also kevin is just gut. The way he's advocating lynches just makes me feel like he's bussing.

 

[Moronik]

His play was literally not playing over a week before giving a very precarious claim that happened cover all his bases if he were mafia. How does essentially not playing align with miller? Doing so drew attention to himself and put him the worst imaginable situation for him.

@bolded: i really think you should drop this type of thinking in this game. knowing zv and talking to him (he reviewed this setup) he avoids "insta-clear" roles and likes roles whose alignments are ambiguous

i was saying his comments towards paprika killer at the beginning of d2 ("dont lynch him") contradicts his attitude late d1 ("paprika killer you know why people think youre scummy?") and the poisoner part of his claim explains why

maybe i should switch to ryker. has more support than kevin i think

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No, I can actually deal with a KevMo lynch just fine

Unvote Vote Kevin

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Meh, not sure about both. Kevin sounds most tempting atm though.

Unvote, Vote: Kevin

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hm.... I vote that we keep Macman alive (gov save TPK if there is one), and lynch Ryker. Moronik's been making good points, and it'd be nice to have a clear in a game this wacky.

Anyway, Ryker dead yet? I'm tired of waiting for him to get around to posting his case on me (or even posting at all.) KevinM might be a good alternative choice, I'd better reread.

Vote Ryker

 

[DtJ S2n]

Nich how would we get a clear from keeping Macman alive.

Also, why don't we just let Ryker get modkilled/replaced instead of lynching him.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Because Nick is probably scum pretending to be useful.

 

[DtJ S2n]

EBWOP I forgot to answer Macman's question from whenever.

I didn't say I thought you were town, Macman. I said neutral leaning townie, by which I meant I don't have much of an idea, but if I had to take a guess townie. I said this because you hadn't been suspicious in what posts you had made up to that point.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I wanna know why sold2 is clear =/

 

[Moronik]

pretty sure we shouldnt talk about it anytime soon...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah Macman find it out yourself or drop it.

 

[Virgilijus]

Virg you should trust your metaaaa
also virg tht whole thing about asking for help becuz I don't know which direction to go is pretty dumb. Cuz I could just ask my scummates. And they probably would advise me to make a case on someone and not ask other ppls opinions about ppl. This and the one about me being deceitful were both pretty dumb. I usually don't see dumb coming from you soooooooo i'm wondering if tht's scummy.

also I would support a ryker lynch too.

also kevin is just gut. The way he's advocating lynches just makes me feel like he's bussing.

And then you ask about KevinM and people jump on. I don't buy it.

You admit to being deceitful; you intentionally did not help for various purposes. How is that deceitful coming from some one people claim is a good player?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I don't see how i'm being deceitful and i never claimed tht i was

 

[Virgilijus]

You claimed you refused to play, for town, for reasons outside of the game, yet pretended you were until being called out on it.

You claimed to help town but did not. That is deceiving.

 

[Virgilijus]

EBWOP: Scamp, what have you to say?

 

[Fatchu]

I think right now macman is just looking for an out or someone else to be investigated, acts of a desperate player.

 

[Evil Eye]

I don't buy the argument that Scumman would beseech the town for a direction to go in when the mafia team functions as a think tank. If I'm understanding your point about Mac picking Kevmo and then people "jump on" correctly, Virg, you're flipflopping. First you say that he is likely scum that wants to divert attention and so flails blindly, asking the town for direction.

Now, faced with the rebuttal that Macman would have mafiat brethren to ask for that point, rather than the town itself in open forum... you imply that that is what he did? What, he asked them who he could flip the town radar onto easily and they said to go after KevinM? Why didn't they give him some posts to point to, since Mac was tweeting about his status on rereading the thread as he went? Why didn't they give him an easier target, like Roxy?

I've seen you tunnel as town, Virg, but I've never seen you be inconsistent. Coincidentally, I've never seen you be scum.

 

[Purple]

I would be the best target for lynch, just sayin.

 

[Purple]

Because i'm scummah. Nah, but seriously, inconvient. ANd considering the roles are unintended consequences, i don't see a consequences in his role again. Not buying it.

 

[Evil Eye]

Somebody could die and he might not be around to explain what happened, for starters.

Where were the "unintended consequences" in Paprika's roleclaim, which you instantly accepted and unvoted? It also bears mention that being a town-alligned miller is always a bad thing always.

 

[KevinM]

I don't understand your role claim at all Macman, and for that I'm inclined to believe it.

Moronik, Macman can stay.

I'm thinking I'd like to go back to virg, I'm positive scum is there.

As for this "case" on me, I have nothing to say to it. Keep riding it for all I care, hell if it makes macman actually post in this game that would be saweet.

unvote
vote virg

Agreed with Evil Eye about Virg backpeddling.

Really sick of Mac just refusing to play games being saved by his claim or even have any weight to his claim and then sucking again.

Are you going to pull another SLJ was it, where you said since you were clear you no longer had to post?

Also I again say your role makes NO sense, I wish you would explain it better.