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[Pakky]

The first non-vidya character to get in would be either Popeye or Goku tbh

Now that's what I'm talking about !

was oringaly Popeye anyway.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The first non-vidya character to get in would be either Popeye or Goku tbh

Honestly, agreed. Goku actually has the extreme requests, and there's no other Dragon Ball character who has a chance, whether they first debuted in a game or not. And they aren't troll requests either. Popeye actually is the inspiration for Mario, making him pretty important in the grand scheme of things. Also, isn't Popeye public domain now? Or is he actually Disney?

Not that I think Mickey and Scrooge are slouches either, but neither are in the same major boat.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, agreed. Goku actually has the extreme requests, and there's no other Dragon Ball character who has a chance, whether they first debuted in a game or not. And they aren't troll requests either. Popeye actually is the inspiration for Mario, making him pretty important in the grand scheme of things. Also, isn't Popeye public domain now? Or is he actually Disney?

Not that I think Mickey and Scrooge are slouches either, but neither are in the same major boat.

Mickey and Scrooge do have the advantage of being connected with two of the companies in Smash now. Nintendo and Square Enix.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Honestly, agreed. Goku actually has the extreme requests, and there's no other Dragon Ball character who has a chance, whether they first debuted in a game or not. And they aren't troll requests either. Popeye actually is the inspiration for Mario, making him pretty important in the grand scheme of things. Also, isn't Popeye public domain now? Or is he actually Disney?

Not that I think Mickey and Scrooge are slouches either, but neither are in the same major boat.

I think that the top 4 non-game characters for Smash should be...

Popeye (Nintendo’s obsession with the ip lead to Mario’s creation)
Scrooge McDuck (Ducktales is considered a NES classic)
James Bond (Pierce Brosnan, Goldeneye 007 is considered a N64 Classic)
Goku (Memes)

Also Popeye isn’t public domain. Some of the indevidual shorts and strips are, but not the characters. The IP rights have been renewed and extended over the years. They are owned by King Features Syndicate and Hearst Holdings.

 

[Pakky]

Mickey and Scrooge do have the advantage of being connected with two of the companies in Smash now. Nintendo and Square Enix.

I think you meant Capcom.

 

[Deleted member]

I think you meant Capcom.

Oh ****, there's 3?
I was thinking Kingdom Hearts lmao

 

[Deleted member]

I’m so happy right now...
>I had a great day at high school with my friends.
>I am doing great at the classes.
>I may finally get a definitive date to meet with my friend from Madrid on February

Spoiler: >and the cherry on the top of the cake...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Here are the non game characters that I feel would have a chance, if the doors were ever open

• Popeye- Inspired the original concept for Donkey Kong, and was later adapted into an arcade game by Nintendo, themselves
• Mickey- The Mario of the film industry, and has seen multiple games on Nintendo systems
• Goku- The fan requested one, as well as having history with Bandai Namco developed fighters
• James Bond- Goldeneye 007 is considered one of the pinnacle games of the N64, and one of he greatest games ever made (at least, for it's time)
• A Star Wars character (If I were to guess, either Darth Vader or Darth Maul)- This one is the least likely out of all of them on this list, but I think it's worth noting as Sakurai is a huge Star Wars fan, and the Beam Sword item is most certainly based on a Light Saber. That, and Nintendo's notable history with Star Wars, with releases like the Rouge Squadron games.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys
It hasn't even been a week and a half
and yet we're already at Page 309.
Jeez

 

[Pakky]

Here are the non game characters that I feel would have a chance, if the doors were ever open

• Popeye- Inspired the original concept for Donkey Kong, and was later adapted into an arcade game by Nintendo, themselves
• Mickey- The mario of the film industry, and has seen multiple games on Nintendo dydtems
• Goku- The fan requested one, as well as having history with Bandai Namco developed fighters
• James Bond- Goldeneye 007 is considered one of the pinnacle games of the N64, and one of he greatest games ever made (at least, for it's time)
• Scrooge McDuck- Ducktales is considered one of the best licensed games on the NES
• A Star Wars character (If I were to guess, either Darth Vader or Darth Maul)- This one is the least likely out of all of them on this list, but I think it's worth noting as Sakurai is a huge Star Wars fan, and the Beam Sword item is most certainly based on a Light Saber

Travis Touchdown. That is all.

 

[SneakyLink]

Guys
It hasn't even been a week and a half
and yet we're already at Page 309.
Jeez

We'll hit page 1,000 bye the end of February!

 

[Deleted member]

Just curious...
Does anyone else have any non-game dream characters, even if they don't think those characters have a good chance?

 

[Deleted member]

If we talk about supposed Marvel and DC reps, i see two scenarios happening:

>Sakurai going by the history or the beginnings of both companies (aka, adding Superman and the Fantastic Four).
Or
>Sakurai going by the most popular picks from both (them being Batman and Spider-Man).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Mickey and Scrooge do have the advantage of being connected with two of the companies in Smash now. Nintendo and Square Enix.

Which won't mean anything either. That doesn't make them highly requested choices or important to gaming history alone. Again, no slouches either, but really only Mickey is nearly as big of a deal in comparison. Scrooge actually has more going for him as having an extremely strong well-made game... which is pretty much the same thing for Darkwing Duck too. Meaning that alone isn't really enough of a reason. If we're talking about gaming history all 4 of them have more than enough. Only one actually has the legitimate requests to be noteworthy.

Those two being owned by Disney won't really matter either. Because that doesn't make them remotely a reason for Sakurai to choose at all. The "companies" already in are never a real reason for anything to be chosen. They can be taken into account, but a lot of that is generally for things like Spirits, and Sakurai didn't choose them either, leaving it to his team.

I think that the top 4 non-game characters for Smash should be...

Popeye (Nintendo’s obsession with the ip lead to Mario’s creation)
Scrooge McDuck (Ducktales is considered a NES classic)
James Bond (Pierce Brosnan, Goldeneye 007 is considered a N64 Classic)
Goku (Memes)

Goku isn't a meme at all. People need to remember that he's a cultural icon and people actually want him because he's actually a huge character and... actually popular. That's not what a meme character is, either. He isn't even known for these, but for that matter, meme characters were actual memes to start with(like Pepe). Goku being wanted is a majorly legit thing. Shrek has more troll votes because in comparison, few actually legitimately wanted him... at least that we know of, but in comparison to Goku, who has tons of legitimate wants, there's really no evidence that Shrek has nearly as much of a legitimate fanbase.

Also, you can add Darkwing Duck in with Scrooge, which is why I don't consider it a real contender here. Just having a good game on the NES isn't enough. On the other hand, you can add Mickey Mouse due to having one of the strongest video game presences of all time. Now for James Bond, it's not about being a Classic, it's about one of the most iconic video games to this day(even if it didn't really spawn a crapload of similar games either. That's more of leaving a major gaming impact to come, not necessarily saying how big or popular the game was).

 

[Deleted member]

If we talk about supposed Marvel and DC reps, i see two scenarios happening:

>Sakurai going by the history or the beginnings of both companies (aka, adding Superman and the Fantastic Four).
Or
>Sakurai going by the most popular picks from both (them being Batman and Spider-Man).

So basically, what you want, or what the general public wants?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Which won't mean anything either. That doesn't make them highly requested choices or important to gaming history alone. Again, no slouches either, but really only Mickey is nearly as big of a deal in comparison. Scrooge actually has more going for him as having an extremely strong well-made game... which is pretty much the same thing for Darkwing Duck too. Meaning that alone isn't really enough of a reason. If we're talking about gaming history all 4 of them have more than enough. Only one actually has the legitimate requests to be noteworthy.

Those two being owned by Disney won't really matter either. Because that doesn't make them remotely a reason for Sakurai to choose at all. The "companies" already in are never a real reason for anything to be chosen. They can be taken into account, but a lot of that is generally for things like Spirits, and Sakurai didn't choose them either, leaving it to his team.


Goku isn't a meme at all. People need to remember that he's a cultural icon and people actually want him because he's actually a huge character and... actually popular. That's not what a meme character is, either. He isn't even known for these, but for that matter, meme characters were actual memes to start with(like Pepe). Goku being wanted is a majorly legit thing. Shrek has more troll votes because in comparison, few actually legitimately wanted him... at least that we know of, but in comparison to Goku, who has tons of legitimate wants, there's really no evidence that Shrek has nearly as much of a legitimate fanbase.

Also, you can add Darkwing Duck in with Scrooge, which is why I don't consider it a real contender here. Just having a good game on the NES isn't enough. On the other hand, you can add Mickey Mouse due to having one of the strongest video game presences of all time. Now for James Bond, it's not about being a Classic, it's about one of the most iconic video games to this day(even if it didn't really spawn a crapload of similar games either. That's more of leaving a major gaming impact to come, not necessarily saying how big or popular the game was).

Considered people remember Ducktales fondly enough to make a spiritual successor (Shovel Knight) I think Scrooge can throw his weight around a bit here.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Just curious...
Does anyone else have any non-game dream characters, even if they don't think those characters have a good chance?

Wallace and Gromit

Just imagine a codec type conversation where Wallace is just comparing everyone to cheese

 

[Deleted member]

I gotta go. Thanks for such a fun-filled semester, guys!
See y'all on Friday. :3

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

What’s poppiiiiiin

Word up to yo mom an' 'em

 

[Saetanigera]

So basically, what you want, or what the general public wants?

In before Trump uses campaign money to buy a spot on the smash roster.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

@JDCabrera Here's Jet Jaguar and Crash Bandicoot.

 

[Pakky]

In before Trump uses campaign money to buy a spot on the smash roster.

No politics please we have enough of the with Nintendo's nonsense already.

Also the online input lag in Smash Ultimate is the worst I have ever seen in a modern video game.

Like I hope things get better but it pains that I can't play against people with same rules as me 50% or the time and on top of that there's input lag and weird 'windboxes?' on moves that I had no idea even existed via execution.

 

[Deleted member]

@JDCabrera Here's Jet Jaguar and Crash Bandicoot.

Woah, those are cool! Can you do a Zoe Trent one? :3

 

[Gentlepanda]

Wallace and Gromit

Just imagine a codec type conversation where Wallace is just comparing everyone to cheese

this reminded me that peter sallis passed away in 2017 and now i'm sad

 

[Deleted member]

I think that the top 4 non-game characters for Smash should be...

Popeye (Nintendo’s obsession with the ip lead to Mario’s creation)
Scrooge McDuck (Ducktales is considered a NES classic)
James Bond (Pierce Brosnan, Goldeneye 007 is considered a N64 Classic)
Goku (Memes)

Also Popeye isn’t public domain. Some of the indevidual shorts and strips are, but not the characters. The IP rights have been renewed and extended over the years. They are owned by King Features Syndicate and Hearst Holdings.

Popeye is public domain worldwide except the US. And that is until 2024 IIRC.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Considered people remember Ducktales fondly enough to make a spiritual successor (Shovel Knight) I think Scrooge can throw his weight around a bit here.

Which makes him no slouch. Doesn't make him a serious contender among the extremely major characters or give him an actual advantage in requests. None of this means he's being necessarily even considered. Having an extensive gaming history is a far bigger advantage than having one noteworthy game. I have quite a lot of respect for the character, but that doesn't make him a strong contender either.

He's an amazing idea for a moveset, but that's really his only true advantage right now. Again, having one amazing game alone won't do it for actually being considered. You have to remember that when it comes to Disney, he still looses out to the far bigger Mickey Mouse(who has a far bigger gaming history, including have two unique game counterparts). That's severely strong competition. And this is ignoring Sora, who definitely has a strong advantage of being a game character. So with two actually bigger options, I doubt he'd get further than those two. Besides, being a cultural icon is a far bigger deal than having a strong game that inspired another game.

Keep in mind I love the character too, but I don't see his current standings at much of a legitimate advantage here. Not saying I wouldn't love to play as him if we're ignoring realistic factors in likeliness, though. Though I might prefer Cranky more, as he has some similar abilities these days, heh.

 

[Opossum]

Honestly, agreed. Goku actually has the extreme requests, and there's no other Dragon Ball character who has a chance, whether they first debuted in a game or not. And they aren't troll requests either. Popeye actually is the inspiration for Mario, making him pretty important in the grand scheme of things. Also, isn't Popeye public domain now? Or is he actually Disney?

Not that I think Mickey and Scrooge are slouches either, but neither are in the same major boat.

Popeye is public domain outside the US, but he'll be public domain here in just a few years.

 

[Deleted member]

Popeye is public domain outside the US, but he'll be public domain here in just a few years.

inb4 Nintendo buys the property the moment it becomes public domain worldwide

 

[Zeox]

I think my science teacher was actually

Spoiler: WoL Spoilers (kinda)

Dharkon

in disguise
I mean why else would she be such a ****ing *****

Because

Doing some thinking, what has Undertale contributed to the RP genre?

It has popularized the "Games inspired by Earthbound", right now a lot of indie games say that and try to be the new Undertale.
Also, is probably the first RPG game where you can beat it in level 1, without killing anything and without the need of farming.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Popeye is public domain worldwide except the US. And that is until 2024 IIRC.

Popeye is public domain outside the US, but he'll be public domain here in just a few years.

Did Golden and Oppossum become echoes?

Joking aside, goddamnit, US. But yeah, I think this is another advantage Popeye has. As public domain, the actual main issue Sakurai has, licensing, is no more. Though to be honest, the only thing he'd have to figure out is how to make his moveset fun. Assuming he actually would allow a non-game character as playable under any condition(which is still a barrier to break).

 

[Gentlepanda]

if Disney by some freak chance got a non-KH character in Smash, i don't see any conceivable way it'd be anyone but Mickey.

edit: doot doot 1000 posts

 

[Opossum]

inb4 Nintendo buys the property the moment it becomes public domain worldwide

That's not at all how public domain works.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I had thought it released on Friday. I was so disappointed when I got home, saw no game, and learned that the 25th was just the Japan release date. Gotta get through a full day of work today and tomorrow before I can finally enjoy it for a little bit. It's getting harder and harder to resist temptation and look some stuff up, but I will hold out! I will go in with only earlier trailers as knowledge!!

I admire your dedication lol I cave a way to soon on that but man, if Im still super excited

if Disney by some freak chance got a non-KH character in Smash, i don't see any conceivable way it'd be anyone but Mickey.

and Im pretty sure he will have his keyblade and his KH moves

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Did Golden and Oppossum become echoes?

Joking aside, goddamnit, US. But yeah, I think this is another advantage Popeye has. As public domain, the actual main issue Sakurai has, licensing, is no more. Though to be honest, the only thing he'd have to figure out is how to make his moveset fun. Assuming he actually would allow a non-game character as playable under any condition(which is still a barrier to break).

Considering the USA is the only place he’s still copyrighted, those US rightsholders are gonna fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. Otherwise the same thing will also happen to Mickey Mouse in a few years (something Disney will not allow).

 

[DevaAshera]

Hey um Zoe is back in my avatar
Honestly if she made it into Smash y'all would be mad at first, but you would come to accept her eventually

No, I really wouldn't. Zoe is from a show made for young girls that doesn't feature any sort of physical fighting and would seem extremely out of place and off-brand (and no, its not the same thing as Animal Crossing, Wii Fit, etc getting in as those are not only actually games but Nintendo owned IP). She doesn't belong in Smash regardless of how you feel about the character. I feel the same way about My Little Pony despite actually liking that show and it actually having more fighting, if not so violent.

And this is why I hate my life

Wot?

Doing some thinking, what has Undertale contributed to the RP genre?

As far as I'm aware its the first RPG that you can beat by being a (near) complete pacifist. It also has intelligent and funny writing similar to the EarthBound series.

Mickey and Scrooge do have the advantage of being connected with two of the companies in Smash now. Nintendo and Square Enix.

That doesn't really count for anything.
Beyond that, Dragon Ball actually has its license owned by Namco Bandai while Disney just allows Square-Enix to develop the Kingdom Hearts series (and Capcom hasn't had the Disney License for years, just getting the okay for releases/remasters of old NES games occasionally)

I also feel people would be very upset if a Disney character got in and it wasn't Sora who is infinitely more requested then Mickey or Scrooge and is actually a video game character.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Considering the USA is the only place he’s still copyrighted, those US rightsholders are gonna fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. Otherwise the same thing will also happen to Mickey Mouse in a few years (something Disney will not allow).

Disney is still making Mickey Mouse content. Popeye content isn't the case. They have a very small chance of keeping Popeye as they need to prove they'll use the IP. Mickey Mouse is extremely active and them renewing the copyright isn't an issue at all.

 

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Forgot to post this yesterday when a few people were arguing about pirating/emulation, so thank you for reminding me.

Was listening to this while at work and I thought it was pretty informative & entertaining. If you can listen to at least the first 20 minutes or so they go over the differences between trademarks, copyright & patents within the USA (and the many loopholes that will create a Disney controlled dystopian future), and the differences between emulation & piracy.

https://retronauts.com/article/1087/hoist-the-jolly-roger-as-episode-195-sails-into-piracy

Yes I'm promoting yet another Retronauts episode. Video Game History is an underappreciated medium.

 

[Deleted member]

I want to present the thread my new avatar.

Huge thanks to Masked Marshmallow for the Crash, Jet Jaguar and Fantastic Four sprites (I owe him one for making them)! The Samus sprite was taken from Super Mario Maker.

 

[Zeox]

What if they added Piranha Plant 2, Electric Boogaloo.

 

[Deleted member]

What if they added Piranha Plant 2, Electric Boogaloo.

Little Shop Of Horrors is fine without a sequel.

So no.