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[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Didn’t Vergeben say something about an EnderDragon boss too?

lol I remeber that

 

[Deleted member]

Man it sucks that I still see verge supporters everywhere I try to convince them to stop trusting him but they are all like... “he leaked plant” he wasn’t even the first to leak him. “he was right about issac” all he did was just join the fun so he can **** the issac fans “he got ultimate right” only for the base game he knows nothing about dlc can they all realize that their god is to be trusted no more?

Verge still hasn't gotten anything about Smash wrong, in all fairness.

His main source's credibility did take a hit, yes, but he's not entirely out yet. Even without Verge, a Dragon Quest character was always a strong possibility; all that changed really is the possibility he could be wrong about Edrick given how badly his main source (the one that told him Erdrick) messed up on the Direct's contents.

TBH I was on the "Erdrick isn't in after all" train for a while, but I think we all jumped the gun on that. I'm now trying to avoid knee-jerk reacting to the situation like I was earlier in the week because in all honesty, Erdrick was always a strong possibility regardless of insiders. SE is going in hard with DQ content on the Switch. I would not be too shocked to see a Smash character come out of that.

 

[Deleted member]

As I said before, call me when Erdrick is deconfirmed.

Damn, so we just brushing off legit stuff he got wrong. That ain't healthy, my guy.

And there's at the very least circumstantial evidence that, at one point, Erdrick was going to be the first reveal.

But how do we know that for sure? Before Joker's reveal, Sakurai already stated that DLC negotiations with Nintendo and planning had been finished, which means the road map for characters had already been locked in.

I ain't saying you're wrong, but how can we know this for sure, unless something went completely wrong in development to just suddenly switch whomever with Joker as the first reveal?

 

[Opossum]

I thought my Morgan ended up real swell. Probably my most OP unit that I had.

That said, the others were kinda bad, and Morgan might not necessarily end up being a general build.

I'd say that probably has more to do with Morgan than the General class, haha. It's hard to make Morgan bad.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Yup.
I wish that they brought back the Returns stage, but probably they couldn’t because of Stage Morphing.

Wasn’t much of a loss honestly. Stage was unique, but also kinda eh

 

[Deleted member]

If Vergeben is right about the EnderDragon, I expect it to be the final boss of Steve’s Classic Mode.

 

[Deleted member]

True. I'm just going off of Brave = Erdrick because it takes the least amount of assumptions for me to make, as opposed to any other character.

Are you ****ing stupid

The most likely character to be Brave is Thanos Mcqueen, the stats just match

 

[Deleted member]

Wasn’t much of a loss honestly. Stage was unique, but also kinda eh

It was hard to get used with the gimmick the first times, indeed.
To give it credit doh, it is the most accurate DKC stage present in every Smash game.
Outside of the 75M stage, every DKC stage except the Returns one took many liberties with the source material.

But at least the ones present in Ultimate are fun to play in.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Damn, so we just brushing off legit stuff he got wrong. That ain't healthy, my guy.

livin in denial that someone is right is better then acceping they got stuff wrong, y'know what I mean?

 

[Wademan94]

Yup.
I wish that they brought back the Returns stage, but probably they couldn’t because of Stage Morphing.

Or have a Tropical Freeze stage to make up for not bringing that one back. And yeah I think that was the reason.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

It was hard to get used with the gimmick the first times, indeed.
To give it credit doh, it is the most accurate DKC stage present in every Smash game.
Outside of the 75M stage, every DKC stage except the Returns one took many liberties with the source material.

But at least the ones present in Ultimate are fun to play in.

Even more fun when Gang Plank Galleon is playing

But yeah, it was unreasonably accurate compared to the other DKC stages (and was a great spin on the usual jungle stages DKC has)

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Or have a Tropical Freeze stage to make up for not bringing that one back. And yeah I think that was the reason.

Homecoming Hijinx! We need a frozen jungle!

 

[Deleted member]

One stage that I am glad about not being in Ultimate is Planet Zebes from 64.
Sure, it was cool to see Ridley and it was the first time we saw the world of Metroid in 3D... but Brinstar is the superior version.

Even more fun when Gang Plank Galleon is playing

But yeah, it was unreasonably accurate compared to the other DKC stages (and was a great spin on the usual jungle stages DKC has)

I completely agree.

 

[Opossum]

Damn, so we just brushing off legit stuff he got wrong. That ain't healthy, my guy.



But how do we know that for sure? Before Joker's reveal, Sakurai already stated that DLC negotiations with Nintendo and planning had been finished, which means the road map for characters had already been locked in.

I ain't saying you're wrong, but how can we know this for sure, unless something went completely wrong in development to just suddenly switch whomever with Joker as the first reveal?

The fact that Brave and Jack basically had the same amount of work done on them (stats, etc) shows they're probably around the same stage of development, or at least were at some point. And then we have Sakurai's column stating Nintendo requested Joker, specifically, be revealed at The Game Awards, but we don't know when that decision was made...but we also cannot rule out the possibility that Erdrick was potentially intended to be shown first. Plans can change.

But to say we should throw out all of Verge's Smash claims, when he's thus far been right on the money, just because "the reveal order was wrong" doesn't make any sense to me. It just feels like a desperate attempt to discredit Verge for one reason or another. His non-Smash info has always been shoddy, but his Ultimate claims shouldn't be thrown away so easily.

 

[Deleted member]

My PoV is that we shouldn't really 100% trust Verge since he did just get a whole bunch of things wrong, but at the same time we really shouldn't throw his thoughts out considering we know that he had info at some point and is therefore faaaaar more credible then any of us

Basically, accept everything leakers say with a grain of salt, but still consider what they say instead of just pretending they don't exist

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The fact that Brave and Jack basically had the same amount of work done on them (stats, etc) shows they're probably around the same stage of development, or at least were at some point. And then we have Sakurai's column stating Nintendo requested Joker, specifically, be revealed at The Game Awards, but we don't know when that decision was made...but we also cannot rule out the possibility that Erdrick was potentially intended to be shown first. Plans can change.

But to say we should throw out all of Verge's Smash claims, when he's thus far been right on the money, just because "the reveal order was wrong" doesn't make any sense to me. It just feels like a desperate attempt to discredit Verge for one reason or another. His non-Smash info has always been shoddy, but his Ultimate claims shouldn't be thrown away so easily.

He has a knack for predicting fighting games. He was right about Injustice 2’s DLC and all signs point to his Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite info being acurate to Capcom’s original plans, which they canceled because the game flopped. Didn’t he also correctly predict Street Fighter V Season 3? Or was that someone else? And he may not have gotten the specifics right, but he predicted that SoulCalibur 6 existed.

 

[Deleted member]

TBH with how soon Joker is coming, development on him probably started around November. I wouldn't be too shocked to see Erdrick be shadow dropped with him in April if he's been worked on at the same time, especially if we get another Nintendo Direct (which we usually do around that time to set up E3 announcements).

 

[Wademan94]

Homecoming Hijinx! We need a frozen jungle!

Yeah I think that’s the stage that makes the most sense.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Yeah I think that’s the stage that makes the most sense.

That works based on Africa would be fun too, but yeah. Frozen Jungle. Homecoming Hijinx. Or the frozen volcano one where you fight King K. Walrus.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

One stage that I am glad about not being in Ultimate is Planet Zebes from 64.
Sure, it was cool to see Ridley and it was the first time we saw the world of Metroid in 3D... but Brinstar is the superior version.
I completely agree.

And I agree with that Metroid statement. Brinstar is all we needed

 

[Deleted member]

Y'all, Brave is obviously a codename for

Spoiler

Courage the Cowardly Dog

You can thank me later

 

[MBRedboy31]

Homecoming Hijinx! We need a frozen jungle!

I’d opt for Frozen Frenzy personally, we may not have a frozen jungle but we don’t have a factory at all. It’d be fairly simple to interpret a couple of the stage’s unique hazards into a Smash stage as well, such as the pulley platforms that become electrified if they are pushed too far down.

 

[Wademan94]

That works based on Africa would be fun too, but yeah. Frozen Jungle. Homecoming Hijinx. Or the frozen volcano one where you fight King K. Walrus.

I also wouldn’t mind Scorch n’ Torch as a stage though at the least the music from that stage definitely needs to make it in regardless.

 

[Deleted member]

The fact that Brave and Jack basically had the same amount of work done on them (stats, etc) shows they're probably around the same stage of development, or at least were at some point. And then we have Sakurai's column stating Nintendo requested Joker, specifically, be revealed at The Game Awards, but we don't know when that decision was made...but we also cannot rule out the possibility that Erdrick was potentially intended to be shown first. Plans can change.

But to say we should throw out all of Verge's Smash claims, when he's thus far been right on the money, just because "the reveal order was wrong" doesn't make any sense to me. It just feels like a desperate attempt to discredit Verge for one reason or another. His non-Smash info has always been shoddy, but his Ultimate claims shouldn't be thrown away so easily.

I would assume that because they have that deadline of February 2020 to get everything out, they had to have at least get those two started. They have a year, but that still ain't a whole lot of time. But again, didn't Sakurai make that public statement a week or two ago before the VGAs that plans for DLC had been done? I could very much see that being why the trailer, getting all the Persona 5 VAs was hard enough as it is.

And I ain't saying we shouldn't throw away all of his claims or discredit him, but to say he's been 100% on the dot would be disingenuous at the very least with that one statement. The reason I bring that up is cause I do that with every insider, be it Liam with the Switch 2017 Presentation, Spawn Wave and NateDrake with Metroid Prime, what have you, to at the very least, still keep expectations in check and get facts right, no matter how big or small those claims are. Don't get me wrong, he's been right, but again, you can't deny that claim of who'd get revealed, at the very least.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I’d opt for Frozen Frenzy personally, we may not have a frozen jungle but we don’t have a factory at all. It’d be fairly simple to interpret a couple of the stage’s unique hazards into a Smash stage as well, such as the pulley platforms that become electrified if they are pushed too far down.

How about we do Homecoming Hijinx and then another factory level from DKC Classic. I love the ironic contrast of a frozen jungle too much to give up. And DKC has plenty of really cool factories from across the series

 

[Deleted member]

I'm starting to think Metroid Prime Trilogy is a hoax like Star Fox Grand Prix. Everyone keeps saying it exists and it's gonna be shown off any day now, but here we are after multiple Nintendo announcements and we have nothing.

 

[Opossum]

I would assume that because they have that deadline of February 2020 to get everything out, they had to have at least get those two started. They have a year, but that still ain't a whole lot of time. But again, didn't Sakurai make that public statement a week or two ago before the VGAs that plans for DLC had been done? I could very much see that being why the trailer, getting all the Persona 5 VAs was hard enough as it is.

And I ain't saying we shouldn't throw away all of his claims or discredit him, but to say he's been 100% on the dot would be disingenuous at the very least with that one statement. The reason I bring that up is cause I do that with every insider, be it Liam with the Switch 2017 Presentation, Spawn Wave and NateDrake with Metroid Prime, what have you, to at the very least, still keep expectations in check and get facts right, no matter how big or small those claims are.

Oh I'm not saying his word is necessarily gospel, haha. The Minecraft Boss claim is more than a bit suspect, personally. I'm just saying, well, the bolded.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I'm starting to think Metroid Prime Trilogy is a hoax like Star Fox Grand Prix. Everyone keeps saying it exists and it's gonna be shown off any day now, but here we are and we have nothing.

Why do we think Star Fox Grand Prix is a hoax now? I never followed the logic of that conversation.

Oh I'm not saying his word is necessarily gospel, haha. The Minecraft Boss claim is more than a bit suspect, personally. I'm just saying, well, the bolded.

Hey. With how “big” 3.0 is we could probably get the Ender Dragon as a new boss along with a few of the missing ones from Brawl (Duon, Porky, Rayquaza, Tabuu).

 

[Deleted member]

Why do we think Star Fox Grand Prix is a hoax now? I never followed the logic of that conversation.

PolarPanda claims that someone spread it is a lie between most of the insiders

 

[MBRedboy31]

How about we do Homecoming Hijinx and then another factory level from DKC Classic. I love the ironic contrast of a frozen jungle too much to give up. And DKC has plenty of really cool factories from across the series

To be fair, you can still see the frozen jungle in Frozen Frenzy anywhere there’s a window or where the wall in the back has crumbled away (which is a pretty significant part of the level.)
But, fair enough, any DKC factory level would be cool.

 

[Deleted member]

Why do we think Star Fox Grand Prix is a hoax now? I never followed the logic of that conversation.

PolarPanda has received information that it was leak bait. ZenythSmash also backs this up, supposedly.

 

[Deleted member]

Why do we think Star Fox Grand Prix is a hoax now? I never followed the logic of that conversation.



Hey. With how “big” 3.0 is we could probably get the Ender Dragon as a new boss along with a few of the missing ones from Brawl (Duon, Porky, Rayquaza, Tabuu).

PolarPanda confirmed it was leakbait

 

[SnakeFighter64]

PolarPanda claims that someone spread it is a lie between most of the insiders

So, we are trusting the word of one leaker above all others? I thought we didn’t do that.

PolarPanda confirmed it was leakbait

Isn’t Nintendo really the only entity that can do that?

 

[Deleted member]

So, we are trusting the word of one leaker above all others? I thought we didn’t do that.

We have two trusted sources backing it up, as I posted just a minute ago.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So, we are trusting the word of one leaker above all others? I thought we didn’t do that.

We somewhat did that a lot with Vergeben...well I didn’t cause I wanted Shadow but not the point

PolarPanda has received information that it was leak bait. ZenythSmash also backs this up, supposedly.

And it’s been going around since 2017...maybe even earlier

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Personally I believe that as DLC is a different matter it should be seen separately. Remember, smaller team = less people working on the game = potentially less people to leak/riskier to leak as there's less people to suspect

 

[Alternis]

Smash Ultimate will always be incomplete when it's missing so many great songs from Tropical Freeze.

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I know I'm hyper-late to this, but I really wanted to do this, so I did. 1998 is my birth year, so I'm starting there.

Spoiler: My GOTY Starting from 1998

1998 - Banjo-Kazooie
1999 - Super Smash Bros.
2000 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
2001 - Super Smash Bros. Melee
2002 - Metroid Prime
2003 - Kirby Air Ride
2004 - Half-Life 2
2005 - Digital Devil Saga (this one is kinda cheating since I've never played it, but nothing else I played was out this year, and I know this game's really good, so fight me)
2006 - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
2007 - Team Fortress 2
2008 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl
2009 - Pokemon Platinum
2010 - Xenoblade Chronicles
2011 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
2012 - Dishonored
2013 - Rayman Legends
2014 - Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
2015 - Xenoblade Chronicles X
2016 - Dishonored 2
2017 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2018 - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

 

[Deleted member]

So, we are trusting the word of one leaker above all others? I thought we didn’t do that.


Isn’t Nintendo really the only entity that can do that?

I mean no leaker is really denying the claim that it's leakbait. They're all either silently or vocally agreeing with her

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I mean no leaker is really denying the claim that it's leakbait. They're all either silently or vocally agreeing with her

Something about that seems very fishy to me... I don’t trust it.

 

[Deleted member]

Something about that seems very fishy to me... I don’t trust it.

Leakbait/misinformation is a very real thing that happens, and the relevation that it was fake is why everyone is a little bit shook on whether or not to believe leakers 100%