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[Luigi The President]

I saw mention of "politics talk" and I thought word of the recent ATLUS controversy reached this thread. I'm worried about it, because while it's unprecedented in Smash, I fear it could possibly lead to Joker gettin' the axe.

Then Corrin would've also gotten the axe due to numerous articles of controversy such as Fates portrayal of bisexuals and the Soleil debacle.
Joker is safe and sound, buddy.

 

[Wademan94]

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Sorry just had to get that out of my system. I saw a rabbit on the way home and I’m a little more calm now.

 

[Hinata]

Then Corrin would've also gotten the axe due to numerous articles of controversy such as Fates portrayal of bisexuals and the Soleil debacle.
Joker is safe and sound, buddy.

Fair, but to play devil's advocate, the fact that Corrin is Nintendo property probably gave 'em a pretty wide cushion for this sort of thing. Joker's completely ATLUS's thing, so I could see Nintendo givin' Joker the axe to avoid bein' associated with the controversy.

I'm just a worrywart, I guess.

 

[Luigi The President]

Fair, but to play devil's advocate, the fact that Corrin is Nintendo property probably gave 'em a pretty wide cushion for this sort of thing. Joker's completely ATLUS's thing, so I could see Nintendo givin' Joker the axe to avoid bein' associated with the controversy.

I'm just a worrywart, I guess.

The controversy is going to die out. The controversy personally affects me, so I wish it wouldn't. But it is going to die out and likely be nothing more than a footnote.
By cutting Joker from the game, they become even MORE associated with the controversy. It would result in literally nothing good for them, never mind that Persona and Catherine aren't even the same game.
You are indeed being a worrywart. They already got his model done and showed, dude, it's FAR too late now for him to be removed.

 

[Hinata]

The controversy is going to die out. The controversy personally affects me, so I wish it wouldn't. But it is going to die out and likely be nothing more than a footnote.
By cutting Joker from the game, they become even MORE associated with the controversy. It would result in literally nothing good for them, never mind that Persona and Catherine aren't even the same game.
You are indeed being a worrywart. They already got his model done and showed, dude, it's FAR too late now for him to be removed.

Fair point, fair point. I just can't help but consider the possibility. The controversy got me all kinds of upset too, but even though I know it'll die out soon, it still worries me. Also, they may not be the same game, but they're directed by the same person. Which is a big reason why I was worried.

i got my dream character nintendo don't take him away from me please

 

[Deleted member]

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Sorry just had to get that out of my system. I saw a rabbit on the way home and I’m a little more calm now.

Yes I do agree that there are other potential Warioware reps outside of Ashley, Now put Jimmy T. in smash Sakurai please! I want to see my groovy boy in Smash.

 

[Wademan94]

I saw mention of "politics talk" and I thought word of the recent ATLUS controversy reached this thread. I'm worried about it, because while it's unprecedented in Smash, I fear it could possibly lead to Joker gettin' the axe.

Wait what happened with Atlus?

 

[Luigi The President]

Fair point, fair point. I just can't help but consider the possibility. The controversy got me all kinds of upset too, but even though I know it'll die out soon, it still worries me. Also, they may not be the same game, but they're directed by the same person. Which is a big reason why I was worried.

i got my dream character nintendo don't take him away from me please

Ah, Christ, not to be irrelevant but I hope that chuckle**** steps down or gets fired. I'm tired of that scumbag.

Trust me man, you're getting your boy, probably in a manner of weeks, you're fine.

Wait what happened with Atlus?

Look at the Catherine trend on Twitter. Let's not discuss it here.

 

[Hinata]

Wait what happened with Atlus?

Well, to give you the long and short of it:

Spoiler: Catherine: Full Body Spoilers

Basically, in Catherine, there's a transgender female character named Erica. Even in the original Catherine, she wasn't handled the greatest as a trans character. In one ending, one of Vincent's friends, who slept with Erica prior to the ending, reacts with disgust when Erica comes close to him, shouting about how "the other guys knew you as Eric back in high school". Already pretty ****ed up.

But in the remake, Catherine: Full Body, there's a specific ending in which one of the main romance options (who is a demon by the way), goes back in time to "make things better for Vincent", the main character. And when we get back to the present, one of the ways the timeline was "made better for Vincent" is by making it so Erica never transitioned to begin with. Now, there's some divide over what the true context of the ending is. Some people are saying the explanation here is what happened. Some people are saying it was a mistranslation, and the true context of the ending is that Erica is still trans, she just hasn't transitioned yet.

Either way, **** ain't lookin' good for ATLUS. People are up in arms.

 

[Wademan94]

I got it, yikes is all I have to say on the matter and I’ll just leave it at that. Thank you both.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Apparently there's something going around about timelines?

Some people are saying things were taken out of context.

I dunno though.

 

[Hinata]

Apparently there's something going around about timelines?

Some people are saying things were taken out of context.

I dunno though.

If you're talkin' about what I said, yeah it's all over the place right now. It's not entirely clear what happened in that ending anymore, other than the trans character isn't transitioned at the point the ending takes place.

 

[Idon]

If you're talkin' about what I said, yeah it's all over the place right now. It's not entirely clear what happened in that ending anymore, other than the trans character isn't transitioned at the point the ending takes place.

Spoiler: C:FB spoils

Is that the new high-school ending? If so, then it'd be pretty obvious it's a result of time travel and not Erica being un-transistioned.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

NonSpecificGuy. . .
NSP. . .
Ninja Sex Party. . .

I think we're owed an explanation. whats going on here

That's my gender Neutral Persona. NonSpecificPerson. Theres also NonSpecificGal but she hasn't seen the light of day since before the day I was born.

I still never got that Snake ditto with NonSpecificGuy .
My Snake in Ultimate is cleeeaaaannn.

***** I gotta see this for my own eyes. We'll have to make a date.

 

[Hinata]

Spoiler: C:FB spoils

Is that the new high-school ending? If so, then it'd be pretty obvious it's a result of time travel and not Erica being un-transistioned.

Spoiler: Catherine: Full Body Spoilers

The full context of the ending is that Vincent wishes he had met Catherine earlier in his life, so she goes back in time to high school days and starts dating Vincent there. Then we fast forward to an indeterminate time in the future where Catherine and Vincent are getting married, and during that scene, Erica is seen as her pre-transition self. The confusion over the ending comes from the fact that we don't know how far in the future (relative to high school days) it takes place.

There's also the possibility that it takes place after the main game like we'd expect, but Catherine being present during high school changed around the timeline in some butterfly effect **** and now Erica just transitions later in her life.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Spoiler

Darn time travel.

Makes everything confusing

 

[Deleted member]

I just realized Minecraft has sold over 154 Million dollars which is second only to Tetris, the thing is that when people count Tetris they mean the entire franchise and not just one specific version which I think is unfair and despite Tetris being a rather simplistic puzzle game it shouldn't get Special treatment.

Point being if we only count the original versions of Tetris and not Spinoffs Minecraft likely has outsold even Tetris at this point, if that's not an incentive to add Steve to Smash I don't know what is, and that's coming from someone who vastly prefers Banjo over Steve.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Well, to give you the long and short of it:

Spoiler: Catherine: Full Body Spoilers

Basically, in Catherine, there's a transgender female character named Erica. Even in the original Catherine, she wasn't handled the greatest as a trans character. In one ending, one of Vincent's friends, who slept with Erica prior to the ending, reacts with disgust when Erica comes close to him, shouting about how "the other guys knew you as Eric back in high school". Already pretty ****ed up.

But in the remake, Catherine: Full Body, there's a specific ending in which one of the main romance options (who is a demon by the way), goes back in time to "make things better for Vincent", the main character. And when we get back to the present, one of the ways the timeline was "made better for Vincent" is by making it so Erica never transitioned to begin with. Now, there's some divide over what the true context of the ending is. Some people are saying the explanation here is what happened. Some people are saying it was a mistranslation, and the true context of the ending is that Erica is still trans, she just hasn't transitioned yet.

Either way, **** ain't lookin' good for ATLUS. People are up in arms.

Well. Now I know this. Wish I didn't. When Joker launches the first thing I'm going to do is jump off a cliff with him 500 times. Not the kind of thing I wish i read before I went to bed.

Spoiler: Catherine: Full Body Spoilers

The full context of the ending is that Vincent wishes he had met Catherine earlier in his life, so she goes back in time to high school days and starts dating Vincent there. Then we fast forward to an indeterminate time in the future where Catherine and Vincent are getting married, and during that scene, Erica is seen as her pre-transition self. The confusion over the ending comes from the fact that we don't know how far in the future (relative to high school days) it takes place.

There's also the possibility that it takes place after the main game like we'd expect, but Catherine being present during high school changed around the timeline in some butterfly effect **** and now Erica just transitions later in her life.

*cough* cop-out

 

[Deleted member]

Well I'm gonna go to sleep, Goodnight everyone.

 

[Idon]

Spoiler: Catherine: Full Body Spoilers

The full context of the ending is that Vincent wishes he had met Catherine earlier in his life, so she goes back in time to high school days and starts dating Vincent there. Then we fast forward to an indeterminate time in the future where Catherine and Vincent are getting married, and during that scene, Erica is seen as her pre-transition self. The confusion over the ending comes from the fact that we don't know how far in the future (relative to high school days) it takes place.

There's also the possibility that it takes place after the main game like we'd expect, but Catherine being present during high school changed around the timeline in some butterfly effect **** and now Erica just transitions later in her life.

Well... that's an ambiguous situation then, but I'm honestly leaning on the outrage being illfounded.

Spoiler

As far as I can tell, the only thing that changed was Catherine's meeting Vincent earlier and thus, Erica should still remain exactly the same as she would originally and thus logically, she would still eventually transition. It seems far more likely to me that Catherine's time travel shenanigans and foresight expediated the marriage process than somehow changing the mind of a trans person.

Well. Now I know this. Wish I didn't. When Joker launches the first thing I'm going to do is jump off a cliff with him 500 times. Not the kind of thing I wish i read before I went to bed.



*cough* cop-out

Joker's... not even part of the same game, or universe, or hell even franchise.

 

[Hinata]

Well... that's an ambiguous situation then, but I'm honestly leaning on the outrage being illfounded.

Spoiler

As far as I can tell, the only thing that changed was Catherine's meeting Vincent earlier and thus, Erica should still remain exactly the same as she would originally and thus logically, she would still eventually transition. It seems far more likely to me that Catherine's time travel shenanigans and foresight expediated the marriage process than somehow changing the mind of a trans person.

Right now, the evidence seems to be leaning that way too. People are saying the original

Spoiler: Catherine: Full Body Spoilers

"Erica just never transitions and stops being a trans girl in the new timeline"

interpretation wasn't actually true to begin with, and it was just people jumpin' the gun. But there's no solid evidence one way or the other.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Well... that's an ambiguous situation then, but I'm honestly leaning on the outrage being illfounded.

Spoiler

As far as I can tell, the only thing that changed was Catherine's meeting Vincent earlier and thus, Erica should still remain exactly the same as she would originally and thus logically, she would still eventually transition. It seems far more likely to me that Catherine's time travel shenanigans and foresight expedited the marriage process than somehow changing the mind of a trans person.

Joker's... not even part of the same game, or universe, or hell even franchise.

I just read a couple articles. The Persona series isn't clean either. Far from it. When something like this resonates with you very personally you just NEED to work out the aggression somehow. And unfortunately I don't have a dart board.

Just read this: https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...-catherine-full-body?utm_campaign=sharebutton

Correct me if their interpretation of the games is wrong. But that one in particular caused the most outrage in me.

 

[Zinith]

New avatar from Guh-Huzzah!

 

[LetterO]

Well. Now I know this. Wish I didn't. When Joker launches the first thing I'm going to do is jump off a cliff with him 500 times. Not the kind of thing I wish i read before I went to bed.

Smash isn't connected to that game
Neither is Joker
Neither is Persona 5

I don't see how that's going to solve anything or give some feeling of satisfaction.

 

[Idon]

I just read a couple articles. The Persona series isn't clean either. Far from it. When something like this resonates with you very personally you just NEED to work out the aggression somehow. And unfortunately I don't have a dart board.

Well honestly, it seems like it's a rather large waste of time when you could be beating online opponents instead, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Well honestly, it seems like it's a rather large waste of time when you could be beating online opponents instead, but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

I don’t pay for Nintendo Scam Online.

 

[Idon]

I don’t pay for Nintendo Scam Online.

Hey, good man.

 

[Deleted member]

New avatar from Guh-Huzzah!

He's got the whole world in his hands.

 

[LetterO]

I don’t pay for Nintendo Scam Online.

Scams don't have TETRIS BATTLE ROYALE as something you can play when paying for it.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Hey, good man.

I don’t know what that means. I assume it’s a compliment. But please don’t call me man.

Scams don't have TETRIS BATTLE ROYALE as something you can play when paying for it.

I just play Puyo Puyo Tetris. Or the free Tetris game on my computer.

 

[LetterO]

I just play Puyo Puyo Tetris. Or the free Tetris game on my computer.

But do those have...

BATTLE ROYALE WITH 99 PLAYERS?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

But do those have...

BATTLE ROYALE WITH 99 PLAYERS?

No. But. Why would you want that?

 

[Deleted member]

No. But. Why would you want that?

Why wouldn't you want the best Battle Royale game?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Why wouldn't you want the best Battle Royale game?

Why would you want a Battle Royale game at all?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

No. But. Why would you want that?

For real. I hate puzzle games but watching my friends play that game is hype as ****.

I'd recommend giving it a shot.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

*Aggressively hugs Hinata *

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Hey, don’t take your anger out on Tetris 99. That game is fun as heck

 

[Zinith]

Btw a very underrated part of Yoshi's Crafted World...

A MECH YOSHI FINALLY!!!

 

[Gentlepanda]

tfw this isn't even the strangest thing that happens in full body

glances at rin's ending

 

[Idon]

tfw this isn't even the strangest thing that happens in full body

glances at rin's ending

Ayy lmao.