Uair-footstool-QAL potential death combo (video pending)

[Mr.-0]

In 6 months from now, practically every competitive Pikachu player would have this mastered, and Pikachu would make it to S tier at that rate. It's scary, it's not just for a few characters, it works on all characters.

I'm surprised pika's not in S tier already. With QAC, his chaingrabs, his comboes, and this, plus the original stuff that made him high tier, I think he should be way higher. And if anther masters this by genesis, than he'll definitely be in second place. DEFINITELY. Ally in first.

 

[SilverSpark]

pikachu's not S-tier because he generally has a hard time with many characters, including Toon link, GW, Olimar, ICs, Marth, MK, and Lucario.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

pikachu's not S-tier because he generally has a hard time with many characters, including Toon link, GW, Olimar, ICs, Marth, MK, and Lucario.

i agree with all but olimar, toon link, and lucario. none are worse then 45-55 lol

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

IC is our advantage also probably. We have the best separating game of any character.

 

[KayLo!]

IC is our advantage also probably. We have the best separating game of any character.

Besides Zelda. =X

 

[Stealth Raptor]

yeah you cant forget zelda, she ***** ics.

 

[gallax]

IC is our advantage also probably. We have the best separating game of any character.

snakes grenades are the best thing in the world against the IC's. not disagreeing with you though. pikas are beast for separation.

and i have to totally disagree with playing against toon link. at worst its even for pika.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Sorry sorry, not the best, ONE of the best. Anyway, back on topic.

5ive is editing the video for me, and i will have it up no later than 2 weeks from now.

 

[5ive]

Got the clips from Distructo. Editing things right now. ESAM pm me for details on what to put in the vid in terms of writing and words.

 

[I LAG]

WHY IS PIKA NOT TOP TIER?
he has all these chain grabs and death combos
and what does mk have?
3moves

 

[PikaPika!]

WHY IS PIKA NOT TOP TIER?
he has all these chain grabs and death combos
and what does mk have?
10 godly moves

fix'd that for you

 

[J4pu]

WHY IS PIKA NOT TOP TIER?
he has all these chain grabs and death combos
and what does mk have?
3moves

no, mk can get away with using ~3 moves and still do well which shows how good those moves are, he has like 9 moves that are just plain amazing
along with the best recovery in the game

also a question about the OP, when it says like 20%-death, what is the reason for the beginning percent? B/c i was playing around with it on MK and i was able to start at 9% while the op says 20something%. Is it something to do with staling?

 

[SuSa]

The reasoning is frame advantage.

EG: "When it is guarenteed no matter what" compared to "guaranteed if your opponent doesn't do anything for 1-19+ (IDK real numbers) frames"

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

The reasoning is frame advantage.

EG: "When it is guarenteed no matter what" compared to "guaranteed if your opponent doesn't do anything for 1-19+ (IDK real numbers) frames"

Ty susa. I'm actually gonna put that in the OP so that people who think it can actually read that. I'm just gonna edit it a little bit to make it in context.

 

[J4pu]

so i was playing pikachu today and i was thinking, how can we make this more broken? then i thought, what if it's guaranteed at a certain % after a QAC, so,
QAC (through the opponent)> DJ Uair> fs> QA lock> death.
a sort of mid %> death combo

think it's possible? or you think the DJ will make you too high and therefore they would exit fs animation before hitting the ground?

actually you wouldn't even need the Uair> fs to be guaranteed (altho it would be nice) since it wouldn't be repeated and you could probably manage to surprise them a little.

 

[SuSa]

Doesn't QA have set knockback/hitstun?

 

[momochuu]

yeah you cant forget zelda, she ***** ics.

Funny joke. The best she can attempt to do is brickwall them which won't even work half the time. I've had trouble with like... one Zelda ever. And this was about a year ago.

 

[KayLo!]

Funny joke. The best she can attempt to do is brickwall them which won't even work half the time. I've had trouble with like... one Zelda ever. And this was about a year ago.

Not that I've played any top-level ICs, but I've played this matchup a lot in general and lost maybe.... a few matches, ever, vs. ICs with Zelda.... and that was after playing fifty bajillion matches where they kept losing and I got bored of avoiding grabs, lol.

She outranges them, practically all of her moves separate them, and the fact that they both can't perfect shield Din's at once makes platform camping so so easy. Even her slow jab causes them problems.

The only thing I can see being a real problem is desynced ice blocks, but even then, you can just Din's and let the blocks hit you while they explode.

Zelda can easily wall them, from every example I've ever seen and every personal experience I've ever had.

@SuSa: I'm not sure about QA's knockback & hitstun properties. K Prime probably knows.

 

[momochuu]

I dunno, to each their own. Zelda's just never been that difficult to me after people learned how to shield.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

so i was playing pikachu today and i was thinking, how can we make this more broken? then i thought, what if it's guaranteed at a certain % after a QAC, so,
QAC (through the opponent)> DJ Uair> fs> QA lock> death.
a sort of mid %> death combo

think it's possible? or you think the DJ will make you too high and therefore they would exit fs animation before hitting the ground?

actually you wouldn't even need the Uair> fs to be guaranteed (altho it would be nice) since it wouldn't be repeated and you could probably manage to surprise them a little.

It would work yeah, but you would have to be incredibly precise with your QA to be RIGHT BEHIND THEM to still get that part of the tail. Somebody else test this, i don't feel like it anymore.

 

[J4pu]

i didn't mean that the QA hitstun would actually combo into the Uair, that part would have to be surprise based (because I'm pretty sure you're right and the hitstun is set), I just meant a % at which all things from the Uair onward would be "true combos".

as for the placement being difficult, it's not that strict, the back of pikachu's tail has some decent horizontal range considering the attack is an Uair, a predominantly vertical attack.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I got this a few times in the tournament i went to today.

 

[Frio]

I got this a few times in the tournament i went to today.

Did you do it all the way until your opponents death?

 

[5ive]

SOOOO sorry I'm taking so long with the video. I've just been so busy. I'll have it done soon.

 

[bigman40]

I really need to start trying to find some setups for this. I need to start using it in tourneys too lol. I'm soo far behind.....


...Zuzuzu....

 

[Spyckie]

scariest video ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDjLMr2xSVY

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Wow. Go anther! 5ive is taking forever to edit the video, sorry guys.

 

[KayLo!]

scariest video ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDjLMr2xSVY

That was some amazing ****. <333 Anther.

 

[bigman40]

scariest video ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDjLMr2xSVY

<3 Anther, but that Yoshi sucked major balls.


......Zuzuzu......

 

[Pikabunz]

Very sexy stuff, Anther.

 

[Roller]

Anther, I hope you aren't TOO attached to your name; because there is going to come a day when people STOP refering to you as Anther, and start refering to you as God.

 

[Anther]

XD, I didn't know any of my games from that day were recorded D=

 

[o-Serin-o]

I think Anther is the only Pikachu I've seen to use QAC to build damage.

 

[5ive]

lol, I forgot to mention I have a priority project before the QAL video. Don't worry, I already started it, but again, I have another project to work on.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

>_> Thanks for telling me.

 

[Kenrawr]

Anther, I hope you aren't TOO attached to your name; because there is going to come a day when people STOP refering to you as Anther, and start refering to you as God.

Oh lordy. Get a restraining order for this one Anther.

 

[Piman34]

so i just read through the entire thread and its funny to see how it progresses in terms of people's opinions lol

also, good **** anther, flashy and sucessful :D

thanks for discovering/applying this, this will really help my game, anything to keep me from losing to people who are better than me haha

 

[PKNintendo]

Typical, Ness is the only one who gets 0 deathed. (Pit can DI right?!?)

Sakurai really loves to mess with Ness.

 

[phi1ny3]

t0mmy and thrilla have been telling me how effective this is.

btw, how come this still hasn't gone mainstream? It doesn't seem too hard, and I'd be figuring that pika results would go up.

 

[Pikabunz]

There aren't that many skilled Pikas that go to tournaments often. Also, this isn't really a real death combo like the op makes it seem. They can di after the footstool to avoid the QA lock and you have to hit them with uair in a certain way for the footstool to connect. This alone isn't going to win you matches.