Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

[BarDulL]

@Sword - OS' postulation of indykary is built on a sloppy premise, we both know this. Too sloppy. Considering everything presented, there was no reason to hardbody Kary. Zilch. That's why OS is still super whack fmpov.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

oh hai

this game

swords, are you still obvtown? i forget.

 

[BarDulL]

@Sword - OS' postulation of indykary is built on a sloppy premise, we both know this. Too sloppy. Considering everything presented, there was no reason to hardbody Kary. Zilch. That's why OS is still super whack fmpov.

Whoops, meant to say no reason NOT to hardbody Kary.

 

[Overswarm]

Whoops, meant to say no reason NOT to hardbody Kary.

Mafia was on the lynch. I know this. For a fact. It is impossible for mafia to NOT have been on the lynch.

In lylo, any lynch that mafia wants is a lynch I shouldn't be on. Period. Kary isn't town, we all know this. But what we don't know is whether or not Kary is mafia.

 

[Overswarm]

Bardull, you still haven't answered me as to who the scum team is.

You can think Kary is mafia, go ahead. But you have to have a step 2 or 3.

I know that regardless of who you think the step 1 lynch is in this game it all leads back to PJB as another mafia member. As such, I think lynching PJB be is the best option. To believe that lynching someone OTHER than PJB is an option means that you think PJB is an endgame option or you will somehow get more information on PJB. We have no avenue for the second other than posting at this juncture.

So why would you not support a PJB lynch, Bardull?

 

[BarDulL]

OS I am not speaking to you on the sole premise that you have been:

1. Completely ****ing wrong all game
2. Spreading FUD w.r.t. Kantrip's position in Town as well as HIS RESULT ON KARY WHICH CAN BE CONFIRMED BY SWORD, THE PERSON YOU PRESUMABLY TRUST.
3. So many other things.

I'm this close to putting OS on my ignore list. Seriously.

Vote: Kary

Haven't decided if PJB should go next or not yet.

 

[BarDulL]

Actually, screw that, I'm super salty about the Kary lynch not going through somehow. **** is ******** and I don't believe that PJB was V/LA throughout the entire end of D6. Dude knew there was a deadline and PJB is responsible enough to get his *** in the thread as Town if Town needs another vote to nail confirmed scum.

 

[Overswarm]

Kary, who did you recruit?

 

[Overswarm]

Swords, I want your opinion on my post.

I still want to know who everyone thinks the scum team is. Bardull and Swords both seem super confident about the Kary lynch but haaaaaven't really gone too far past that. I'd like some statements.

I also have a few questions for you Swords, after your opinion on my post.

 

[Circus]

Oh, what a surprise. No Lynching resulted in nothing. Kantrip flipped exactly what he flipped before and Kary's still sitting there with both middle fingers flipped up at us.

Results: Female, does attend Yasogami High; JTB is town.

@JTB: Since I now know that your failure to hammer Kary yesterDay was a result of town incompetence rather than scum tactical blocking, I'm just going to say this and hope it does something—you need to be here from now on. You had the entire Day phase yesterDay to vote Kary and you never did. I understand the desire to hold off on your vote in order to make sure the Day gets used, but if you're going to do that, then you have to make sure that you're here before deadline. We absolutely cannot allow scum to stonewall us again. All hands on deck, or the ship goes down.

@OS: Are you still, at the time of reading this post, of the opinion that Kary is indy rather than mafia? If Indy, how do you explain the lack of alpha strike, given that Sworddancer and Bardull are both voting for Kary? Are Bardull and Sworddancer both scum?

Also, Swords and I both have confirmation through Kantrip's role that JTB is town, and you have expressed faith in JTB's results being true. It had been discovered over the course of the last Day phase that, if JTB's results are to be taken as gospel, that there can only be three total scum left, of any alignment. Do you still accept JTB's results as truth, and if so, what does this tell you about your theory regarding not only Kary being indy rather than mafia, but how Kary has been approached since being caught (I'm specifically referring to the part of your theory explaining that a scum team is trying to lynch Kary for the win, since that's actually mathematically impossible with JTB's results. If we lynch Kary right now, whether he's mafia or indy (I would assume indy-recruited mafia at this point, if that truly were the case), it would keep the game going, because it would successfully eliminate one out of the three scum we need to hit).

Confirmed town
JTB

Leans
Swords
PJB
Bardull
OS

Confirmed scum
Kary

Kary is absolutely scum and will absolutely be lynched toDay if I have to hack JTB's account to do it (kidding, but don't make me seriously consider it...). Kary has two scummates. Over the course of the last Day phase, I found OS' overt defense of Kary to be so unbelievably obviously scummy that it became rather unlikely that he could actually be aligned with him. However, (and this is going to get a little wifom-y; drink up, gents), with the clarity of the Night phase and Kantrip's flip, I feel more comfortable entertaining the idea that OS is truly the scummy gambling man everyone always fears he is in this game. Overtly shielding Kary yesterDay and hoping town just deems it dumb over scum (despite "dumb" essentially never being a word I could use to describe OS in mafia), very much seems to be within Overswarm's wheelhouse. At this point, I'm confident in thinking he's scum and stalled the wagon on Kary purely with his controlled volume of crazy. Possibly because he finds all wifom delicious. Possibly because he thinks that portraying himself as CrazyTown is the only way he can actually keep suspicion off of him this late in the game (DumbTownOS doesn't exist and SmartTownOS would have been killed by now). Possibly because Kary is an important mafia role (the poisoner?), that OS really did not want to lose just yet. Probably combination of all of those things. Kary's constant yet unassertive suspicion of OS over the course of the game bolsters this relationship the most, of any potential scum relationship.

As such, while I see that a few people are thankfully already following this advice, I suggest that everyone stop listening to anything OS says for the rest of the game.

The question becomes, who's the third scummy? I remain confident in my Swords read, especially with the JTB result, so the options narrow to either Bardull or PJB. In the scenario where Kary/OS/??? is the scumteam, OS clearly becomes the mastermind, so it would be up to him to decide how to place his pawns. So what is more likely? That he told PJB to help him stonewall the Kary lynch and hope it would work out, then press him toDay as the one player that has to be scum through all forms of PoE? Or that he made sure that at least one of his scummates (Bardull) would end up on the Kary lynch for cushion, in case the Kary lynch did occur (as it seemed extraordinarily likely to, until it just didn't...)?

I'm inclined to believe the latter right now. He is either distancing himself from buddy Bardull or bussing buddy PJB. Right now, it looks more likely to me that the bickering with Bardull is an act, and that his might-as-well-be-a-vote on PJB is a more genuine attempt (though admittedly also a long shot) at lynching a townie rather than Kary. But I'm not confident enough in this lean to bronze it in my mind yet.

Would like to hear from OS, PJB and Bardull some more before the Day ends. However, I might just vote Kary later and hope for a hammer because my forehead gets so very sore from bashing it against this brick wall so often.

Also V/LA on Monday, December 31st and Tuesday, Janurary 1st. Should be self-explanatory. Gonna have some ragin' New Year's times and will have no time nor brain cells to dedicate to mafia.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Going to be at a tourny today. Leave Kary at L_2 or L_1, either one works. Just as long as OS has to dig himself into a deeper hole to deny the reality of the situation.

 

[BarDulL]

Sorry if I came off as overly aggressive last night OS, I had just gotten back from a trip to Vegas, so a 6 hour drive + low blood sugar + irritation with one of the groomsman + losing $180 to ultimate texas hold'em + couple other things put me a little over the top in my response.

Anyway, I'm seeing some red flags that need to be addressed and I'll get right to it in a bit. I have a wedding to attend today as a groomsman, so chances are that I'll be back by...3:00pm or 4:00pm PST.

 

[Overswarm]

Sorry if I came off as overly aggressive last night OS, I had just gotten back from a trip to Vegas, so a 6 hour drive + low blood sugar + irritation with one of the groomsman + losing $180 to ultimate texas hold'em + couple other things put me a little over the top in my response.

Anyway, I'm seeing some red flags that need to be addressed and I'll get right to it in a bit. I have a wedding to attend today as a groomsman, so chances are that I'll be back by...3:00pm or 4:00pm PST.

I understand, things can be stressful. Aggression can be useful either way.

I still don't see how you can possibly not see that PJB is scum.

Going to be at a tourny today. Leave Kary at L_2 or L_1, either one works. Just as long as OS has to dig himself into a deeper hole to deny the reality of the situation.

Why are you trying to discredit me?

THIS IS MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY.

PJB has to be scum. Not once have you actually brought up reasoning against it. All you've said is "this is how I perceived the game prior to new information, and I don't really feel like changing your mind".

Vote: PJB

I've asked multiple times for you to say what the scum team is, but I've got nothing. Despite my initial read on Bardull being my #2 scum read, you're starting to take that spot. You've been coasting off of your claim all game and trying to tell us to do the "obvious" thing, but I personally know this is incorrect. Either you're being stubborn and completely going against new information because you can't be bothered to think a few steps ahead or you're scum just trying to finish the win.


Seriously, who is scum after Kary? Do you even have a #2? #3?

Kary is absolutely scum and will absolutely be lynched toDay if I have to hack JTB's account to do it (kidding, but don't make me seriously consider it...). Kary has two scummates. Over the course of the last Day phase, I found OS' overt defense of Kary to be so unbelievably obviously scummy that it became rather unlikely that he could actually be aligned with him. However, (and this is going to get a little wifom-y; drink up, gents), with the clarity of the Night phase and Kantrip's flip, I feel more comfortable entertaining the idea that OS is truly the scummy gambling man everyone always fears he is in this game. Overtly shielding Kary yesterDay and hoping town just deems it dumb over scum (despite "dumb" essentially never being a word I could use to describe OS in mafia), very much seems to be within Overswarm's wheelhouse. At this point, I'm confident in thinking he's scum and stalled the wagon on Kary purely with his controlled volume of crazy. Possibly because he finds all wifom delicious. Possibly because he thinks that portraying himself as CrazyTown is the only way he can actually keep suspicion off of him this late in the game (DumbTownOS doesn't exist and SmartTownOS would have been killed by now). Possibly because Kary is an important mafia role (the poisoner?), that OS really did not want to lose just yet. Probably combination of all of those things. Kary's constant yet unassertive suspicion of OS over the course of the game bolsters this relationship the most, of any potential scum relationship.

As such, while I see that a few people are thankfully already following this advice, I suggest that everyone stop listening to anything OS says for the rest of the game.

And this ****ing guy.

"Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt" indeed.

Here's a question for you Circus: If Kary is mafia, and I'm Kary's mafia partner and am desparate to save him, who is number three? WHERE is number three? I was the only one against the Kary lynch all day.

The only people that didn't vote other than myself and Kary were JTB and PJB.

I'm wanting to lynch PJB today.

JTB was confirmed town by Sworddancer using Kantrip's ability, and Kantrip didn't flip with any new modifiers (insane/naive/etc.).

So who was the third?

It wasn't you, because you're you. You'd know it wasn't you.

So who was it, Sworddancer or Bardull? Because they aren't exactly on my side.

From this paragraph we get the idea that you think my master plan is for me to defend my scummate, my other scum mate to bus my scum mate, even though that doesn't make any sense.

Seriously. Does no one remember that PJB was and has been a lynch choice since the beginning? If you think I'm partners with Kary... the only reason PJB wasn't lynched over Kary was because of Kantrip. If PJB isn't my scum mate, I could have just bussed Kary and then gotten a normal PJB lynch the following day, trading one for one and no one would be the wiser. Given that mafia haven't flipped yet, that'd be the safest strategy. This paragraph is literally just condensed Overswarm paranoia. This is the definition of "telling someone what they'd want to hear".


T;ejagklawejga

Circus throwing mud for no reason

Bardull blowing up

Sworddancer having his head stuck in the sand

Kary doing absolutely nothing and giving scum the game instead of trying to at least survive

JTB being town confirmed and off on a beach somewhere

AND PJB BEING CONVENIENTLY ABSENT FROM THE THREAD AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE FOR WEEKS. He just comes in and yells at people for attacking him and then they all back off and nothing ever comes from it.



I feel like I'm the only town member left and everyone else is just of their own alignment and laughing at me. >:[

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Finally something I can relate to!

Vote: PrivateJoker-Brown

30 seconds guys!

 

[#HBC | Kary]

ohhhh shiiiit! :D

Execute: PrivateJoker-Brown



!!!!ding!!!!ding!!!ding!!!!

FINALLY we hit a mafia member; no need to thank me guys. No need to worry about poison anymore, amiright?

Did i mention that I know who all of the scum are? I mean it's pretty easy when you can read their QT :D

see you tomorrow!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

The Day phase has ended! No one post!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Night 7!

Suddenly and violently, a player has been Executed!

PrivateJoker-Brown was Lilith, Mafia Poisoner.​

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It is now Night 7. This phase will end January 1st, at 8:00 p.m. EST.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Day 8! 3/5 to lynch!

In life, he was sad and silent. In death, he looks almost peaceful.

JTB was Naoki Konishi, Town Moping Prophet.​

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Circus
Overswarm
Sworddancer.
BarDulL
Kary




Day 8 has begun! With 5 players remaining, it's 3 votes to lynch!
Deadline has been set for January 9th at 1:00 p.m. EST.

 

[Overswarm]

First day back at work, have some stuff to do and am a little busy.

1) Told you so

2) >:[


Given that PJB was actually mafia poisoner and it doesn't seem to be their factional kill, mafia may actually be without a kill.

If we can hit mafia toDay we can have a pretty good chance at winning. I need to do some soul searching to figure out who I would believe to be most likely town. Bardull is still a high contender for scum imo, but not nearly enough to push for him without rereading.

Question for all three of you:

Who would you want in a 3 man lylo with you

Don't really care what Kary thinks on it, but thanks for the mafia kill Kary. Do you happen to know more mafia members you'd be willing to hand out, and how many are there?

 

[Overswarm]

Okay work can wait. :B

We have one big new piece of information: PJB was mafia and was the poisoner

meaaaaaaaaaning we have something to adjust connections from.

SO VOTELOGS:

Day1

Circus > Rajam
Overswarm > sneakytako
Ranmaru > Le Bateleur > sneakytako
Sworddancer.
July
sneakytako/Rajam > Red Ryu > Overswarm > Unvote > Overswarm > Unvote > Overswarm > Potassium
J > July
Ryker
Le Bateleur > Raziek > Rajam
Private-Joker Brown > sneakytako
Raziek > sneakytako
Chuckie > Le Bateleur > sneakytako
Jdietz43 > soup > sneakytako
ѕoup > Le Bateleur > No Lynch > Unvote > No Lynch > Unvote
JTB > No Lynch
Kary > Rajam
Potassium > soup > Overswarm > Rajam > Unvote
Red Ryu > Potassium > Ranmaru > sneakytako > sneakytako

Day2

Circus > Chuckie
Overswarm > Chuckie
Ranmaru > Ryker
Sworddancer. > Raziek
July
J > soup
BRB, Not Posting. > Chuckie
PrivateJoker-Brown > Chuckie
Raziek > Chuckie
Chuckie > Overswarm > PrivateJoker-Brown
Jdietz43 > Chuckie
ѕoup > Raziek
JTB
Kary > Chuckie
Red Ryu > Chuckie

Day4 (no day 3)

Circus > Red Ryu
Overswarm > Red Ryu
Ranmaru > Overswarm > Overswarm > Red Ryu > July > Red Ryu
Sworddancer. > Ranmaru > Unvote > Unvote
July > Red Ryu
J > Red Ryu > Unvote
PrivateJoker-Brown
BarDulL > Red Ryu > Unvote > Kary > Overswarm > Unvote
JTB
Kary > Red Ryu
Red Ryu > PJB > Unvote > J > Red Ryu > July > Red Ryu

Day5

Circus > J
Overswarm > J
Ranmaru > Circus
Sworddancer. > PJB > J
J > Circus
PrivateJoker-Brown > J
BarDulL > Circus > PJB > Circus
JTB
Kary > Overswarm > J
Potassium > J

Day6

Circus > Kary
Overswarm
Sworddancer. > Kary > Unvote > Kary
PrivateJoker-Brown
BarDulL > Kary > Kary
JTB
Kary > Sworddancer
Potassium > Kary

Day7

was no vote log, but bardull and swords voted for kary and myself and kary voted for PJB, with Kary having an execute ability


Looking closely we can see that Circus is the only one who hasn't voted for PJB yet this game, with everyone else having a grand total of one vote. I'll look into when SDancer/Bardull voted for PJB later, as it was during Circus' push on J on Day 5.

So voting for PJB doesnt' give us much.

But who did PJB vote for?!

SneakyTako, Chuckie, and J. The lynches he wasn't a part of was Red Ryu and his own. Not too much help here.

So no surface area knowledge, actually have to re-read PJB's slot. -_-;;

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Also rereading, looking for connections.

@OS: A couple of Days ago, you told me that my Night 1 actions didn't line up. You stated that my Night 1 actions "had an extra kill in it that was missing" and that "one had to make a spoonful of assumptions about my claim." After rebutting this, you just kind of dropped it. You never stated what "extra kill" I was talking about, and for the purposes of my reread, I'll like you to go into that again.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Publicly or privately? Because if it's the latter this turns into a "do I trust you or not".

The thing that bothers me is that this extra kill doesn't add up except for with a whole spoonful of assumptions. By your own admission, that's a faulty way of determining things. On top of this you seemed to indicate OS indy pretty early on and never really pursued it and just seemed to keep writing it off and saying "we can come back to OS later when all the mafia are gone!" and that just really feels like setting up for a mislynch. I mean you knew nothing about how the indy recruits in this game and you told everyone that the indy wouldn't be able to use any abilities and wasn't a threat and I just keep getting the inkling that you yourself were recruited and are trying to set up for end game.

This would also explain why you've had a very lackadaisical approach to the game despite being a golden boy, because the more you post the more danger you put yourself in so if you're "cleared" it's in your best interests to just not contribute much.

And DESPITE me saying all of this... I have to do the same thing you are and just let you sit aside for now. Just to let you know, if we kill all the mafia and the game still goes on I'll probably kill you as you would be my #1 recruit suspect given your play.



I hate how illogical everything you say is. It's like every post of yours is "here's what I believe, so here's how things would have be to support it, so that's how it is".



I don't understand why people say stuff like this. Just answer the question. Not hard.

Speaking of which, STILL WAITING ON RAN.

Really interested to hear Ran's complete claim since for some reason he's only brought up me, to my knowledge.... and it is Day 4. We know everyone's claims. Either scum have *****in safe claims, Ranmaru is lying, or he's had some awful night action choices.

1611

Circus who are your town reads this game? Do you think that Kantrip is mafia? You imply so in this post.

Btw, I'm not going to hold it against you, but you could have crumbed the name of your role for what it's worth.

Privately, obviously.

What extra kill are you talking about? There was three kills out on Night 1. A poisoner, the indy, and Soup. You can agree that this is the most likely scenario, right? This is, after all, the same line of logic that you were using when explaining the J early why it's most likely mafia is limited to a poisoner. Where does this "spoonful of assumptions" come in? I seriously don't know what you're talking about. Where does this get "too complicated" for you?

Why would I pursue an indy OS? Obviously if you can't kill you're not a threat, so why would I prioritize this? Btw, I'm basing my own understanding of the indy this game based off of what you yourself said.

I like how you're trying to turn this around on me. Yeah obviously I'm trying to set up for a mislynch AT LEAST FOUR DAYS AHEAD OF TIME on OVERSWARM. Obviously I'm not just town who's claiming my results. You're putting a negative twist on what I did by making this BS assertion that I'm scum trying to set up for a mislynch without even taking into consideration the alternative that I'm "just town claiming my results." What about how I went about it isn't logical from a town PoV?

Also, did you forget that I was the FIRST one to claim "ascetic?" I mean, I didn't straight up claim ascetic, but I claimed that I "couldn't be targeted by anything but killing roles," which is basically ascetic minus one truth (that I couldn't be targeted by anything but killing roles that would kill me on the same Night they were used, and before you ask, I was trying to bait out a poison by not full claiming my modifier). So unless you think that I somehow just guessed that a modifier of the ascetic nature was in the game or that I somehow acquired knowledge of the modifier, I COULDN'T have been recruited because it's impossible for the inquistor to do anything but kill me given my role modifier.

My "lackadaisical" approach to this game has already been explained, you're just choosing to ignore my explanation and assume the worst possible interpretation.

God.

OS, if you want to work with me then you're going to have to cut out the FUD.



Okay, sure, but again, what about Le? That would seem like a good idea for scum minus the possible trouble.

[QUOTE-Circus]Difficult to say. At first, I was expecting J to simply refuse to name his "mason" buddy so as not to incriminate a fellow mafiosi. However, doing that would also pretty much be equivalent to accepting my accusations against him, so Ran actually revealing himself is one way that a J/Ran scumteam could be trying to double down and get me lynched for the win. Having Ran claim to have masoned J is kind of a clever third option, as it leaves room for the option that Ran could be a town masoner who just happened to pick scum to mason. However, it is common practice for such roles to indeed die if they target scum, so if I'm leaning one way on Ran here, it is scum, yes. Just not concrete enough on that to lynch him toMorrow without a good deal of reexamination beforehand.

The thing that's bugging me about this is that I literally can not think of a reason for why J would claim mason, unless he was anticipating some sort of guilty from you. But even that seems like a weird reason to claim mason. Being objective about this Circus, wouldn't you agree? Since you're pushing J, and, to a lesser extent, Ran, what justifies you going after them despite this?



How do you feel about him based off the fact that he claimed ascetic and that it lines up with you being roleblocked when targeting him?





BarDull, it would really help me if you did substantiate your read on Circus. Because I'm honestly starting to have my doubts and it doesn't help when the one person I was willing to lynch is actually trying while you're just kinda "Eh, sorry you're scum yo."

I really don't think that you calling Circus out on having a "double standard" is appropriate here. Again, it would help if you substantiated Circus' double standard, and even if it's true, it doesn't mean that it's a good idea for you to act the same.

The main reason I like Ran was because I felt that his claim against OS was genuine town who thought that they had a guilty. Hell, this still makes me doubt him being scum just because Ran's action from a scum PoV doesn't make sense Day 4. Why would he claim a guilty against OS like that so early?

Here's what confuses me from both sides of the argument:

-Why would Circus claim a guilty against J after he just claimed mason? If he was scum looking for a final mislynch, then it seems like there would be much better options then J, especially right after he claimed mason. Also, it's true that Circus did investigate J Night 3. This doesn't really clear him in itself, but at the very least we know that he's some sort of investigate.
-Why would scum Ran claim a puesdo-guilty on OS on only Day 4?
-Why would J claim mason as scum at all, unless he was SO paranoid about being caught in a guilty that he'll be willing to drag Ran into this. Also, don't even bring up the idea the idea that Ran is town and J scum because I just hate set up WIFOM like that.

Man Circus, are you insane or something? JTB town but J scum? ****.

@BarDull: Why do you think a scum Circus would claim against J of all people?

Sorry that this post is taking forever, family distractions.

Onto, the store! Then page 42. [/QUOTE]

The post that I was talking about and my rebuttal.

This conversation never played out past my rebuttal, and out of curiosity I want to know what you meant when you were talking about an "extra kill."

 

[Overswarm]

If I recall correctly, I was just mistaken. You said I was night killed, not poisoned, and it made me doubt your actions as the two flips couldn't have been poisons and accounted for the both the Inquisitor and the Vig. You were conflating the two terms because that's what you received and I was separating them.

 

[Overswarm]

Looking back at Sworddancer and Bardull's votes on PJB, Bardull made a case on PJB because his claim didn't match up. Circus' didn't match up either, and he protected PJB on this account. It's possible that both alignments didn't have matching flavor for some roles though, so I don't think I'd condemn Circus off this. I COULD condemn Circus on his protection of PJB but honestly that kind of makes sense. If Circus' role actually didn't fit, it makes sense to believe other townies would also have roles that didn't fit.

This is a big reason for why you need to lay off the flavor speculation. It's such a weak form of scumhunting that to even actually call it scumhunting is laughable. You need to stop trying to outguess the mod. If you have legitimate reason to suspect someone, then you should have plenty of reasons for it that don't have to do with flavor. Look at play. Look at things we know about the setup, not at flavor that you would handle a certain way. That's not reliable information. Your own role suggests the presence of multiple Doctors if you're telling the truth; July's role fit well within what you should have been expecting to see, regardless of the character she claimed.

Bardull, who else had flavor that didn't fit?

Sworddancer's case was different, it started off on a full discussion on Circus/J and then:

*snipped to the PJB case*

So, what I'm getting at is, maybe we can swing a quick lynch on to someone else? Idk, maybe someone who hasn't been here? I.e., someone doing exactly what scum would want to do in this situation? Like, JTB, or PJB, or maybe even Kary?

No? It's too late for that?

Well, if I had to pick, it would be J to go. It's true that J has just been really sloppy with his Night actions and the revive if he were town. It's true that Ran was a weird pick to guard against Night 3. It's true that it's weird for J to use his ability at all on someone completely inactive like Ran, thus saying that he valued Ran's life over his.

Now, to be clear, I don't feel like any of this makes him deffo scum. In matter of fact, it kinda feels like J's being treated as Chuckie version 2.0. If you can throw a lot of small things against someone, then they're more likely scum, right? A lot of small things that don't make sense from a town PoV thus must be coming from a scum PoV, right? Well, no. J hastily using the revive is actually more understandable from and anti-town PoV than it is from a scum PoV. Like, I can imagine a townie getting over-excited about using that ability. This said, everything Circus has pointed out is enough to tip me over the edge with lynching J over Circus.

NOW LETS LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE!

Vote: PJB

I know this won't happen but I can't against my good conscious bring myself to vote J, and I'm kinda hoping some of you will see the light after this stream-of-conscious post that I'm making. If this doesn't happen and we need someone else to vote J to end the Day, then I will.

I find this case against PJB odd. It smells really, really strongly of distancing until this:

FFS I just found this. Claims a female character but states that he "feels like a man who takes risks." Well gg I'm screwed.

This would have been a potential death knell for PJB unless Sworddancer knew that the mod would confirm a mistake was made (if they did and used it to their advantage, bravo and **** you Nabe), yet out it went. I find this unlikely given the pressure already put on PJB earlier in the game; this kind of feels like it'd be walking a bit too close to the edge. There was no REASON to distance from PJB at that point as no one suspected Swords in the first place, and certainly not enough to potentially get PJB killed by an offhand statement like that. Either a big mistake or a townie actually realizing something.

Sworddancer I think you might be my townie. Still need to read.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

OS do you still not think that Kary is mafia? I know that Kary executing PJB plays directly against his wincon as mafia, but how else do you explain him knowing that he was the poisoner? Do you think that he had some type of investigate?

Also, you agree now that there are only two scum left, now that it's 100% confirmed that he was town and that we can probably trust his results, san insanity (which I'm not really considering)?

 

[Overswarm]

OS do you still not think that Kary is mafia? I know that Kary executing PJB plays directly against his wincon as mafia, but how else do you explain him knowing that he was the poisoner? Do you think that he had some type of investigate?

Also, you agree now that there are only two scum left, now that it's 100% confirmed that he was town and that we can probably trust his results, san insanity (which I'm not really considering)?

I'm waiting on what Kary says.

I still stick by the Kary indy idea because it makes the most sense. I'll explain more after we hear from Kary.

 

[BarDulL]

I am a little confused as to why Kary offed PJB, but since there can only be two scum left according to JTB, there really is no reason not to lynch Kary at this point.

Circus' role does not contradict his flavor. I didn't know what 'Yaso' meant at first, but it isn't impossible that his role is basically an inference that his character is knowledgeable about who attends Yasogami high since, well, his character attends Yasogami high. Ergo Yaso is just shorthand for Yasogami. This was probably really obvious to everyone but it flew way over my head.

I have some ideas of where to look after Kary, but posting all that on my phone will take ages.

 

[BarDulL]

I actually don't want to wait for Kary because scum might try to assist him in getting an execute off now that they know that Kary knows who the scum team is and can read their QT.

vote: kary

 

[Overswarm]

Bardull, you're so scummy it hurts. Wait for Kary to respond.

The only people that should be attempting to rush a lynch right now is mafia. You're already my number one read, but I'm waiting on Kary. Lying or no, it's information I can use.

 

[BarDulL]

The reason why I think Kary executed PJB is because Kary wanted to inform the mafia team that he had access to their QT and that he was infact a mafia traitor. However he could not get their trust because the mafia team did not out themselves in response to his claim.

If Kary is Indy then I have no idea what that means. I guess Kary may have been able to force a joint win or some **** or he's just trolling at this point, but he needs to die ASAP.

 

[BarDulL]

OS how am I being scummy??? You've been white knighting Kary and asking him to actually talk to us when he's confirmed scum. Nothing he says wrt opinions and the like will put us on the right course.

 

[Overswarm]

OS how am I being scummy??? You've been white knighting Kary and asking him to actually talk to us when he's confirmed scum. Nothing he says wrt opinions and the like will put us on the right course.

You are either mafia in paranoid death throes or don't have two brain cells put together. Stop talking, wait for Kary to post. This isn't rocket science, and your rushing to lynch Kary instead of doing anything whatsoever to find mafia is kind of making it a very transparent former.

 

[BarDulL]

Man, it doesn't even make sense for me to be scummy in this scenario because if I was mafia then I'd vote for sword or someone and get Kary to hardbody sword.

Like, I guess scum could be freaking out in response to Kary bodying PJB but I'm not reading into Kary's role as being some Indy like OS suggests, I mean Kary can read their god damn QT for crying out loud.

 

[BarDulL]

OS you're so whack. Can't wait to get on a comp.

 

[Overswarm]

The reason why I think Kary executed PJB is because Kary wanted to inform the mafia team that he had access to their QT and that he was infact a mafia traitor. However he could not get their trust because the mafia team did not out themselves in response to his claim.

If Kary is Indy then I have no idea what that means. I guess Kary may have been able to force a joint win or some **** or he's just trolling at this point, but he needs to die ASAP.

Wait... wait you think Kary is a mafia traitor who was unknowingly being bussed by mafia who tried to clear himself by using his execute ability, thus revealing it to the entire game, on mafia's killing role?

 

[BarDulL]

I don't think mafia knew of Kary's existence. More when I get home.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

hi guys. votes on me? please

if you think i'm mafia in this situation you must be high. Yes, I know kanty's results say i'm mafia... according to Swords. It's either that or there's something wack about my role that I show up as mafia, idk.

anyhow, lynch me if you like, maybe you'll still win!
maybe you won't. but for your own damn sakes use your head. i'm ok with losing alongside town, but are you?

not that it matters much what I say. i'll take questions if you have any, i guess.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Right.

How did you know that PJB would be the poisoner?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I can read the mafia QT

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

But your not mafia?