Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

[Overswarm]

I work in a University. Thanksgiving onwards is also known as "crunch time", so lots of work to do. I've put a large amount of content into this game and will continue to do so when I can, but given Sworddancer is our confirmed townie and we're in mylo/lylo or close to it, I think waiting for the mass claim and letting Sworddancer choose our course isn't that bad of a strategy. Simply posting to post doesn't mean anything unless you're trying to influence people's opinion of you. I don't have a reason to at the moment and it would help me or anyone else find scum anyway. All of the people left are pretty much the ones that were inactive when I was posting a lot, so if anyone needs to post its you guys. >:[

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I work in a University. Thanksgiving onwards is also known as "crunch time", so lots of work to do. I've put a large amount of content into this game and will continue to do so when I can, but given Sworddancer is our confirmed townie and we're in mylo/lylo or close to it, I think waiting for the mass claim and letting Sworddancer choose our course isn't that bad of a strategy. Simply posting to post doesn't mean anything unless you're trying to influence people's opinion of you. I don't have a reason to at the moment and it would help me or anyone else find scum anyway. All of the people left are pretty much the ones that were inactive when I was posting a lot, so if anyone needs to post its you guys. >:[

OS, flavor claim and tell us what your other role modifiers do besides strong man.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Btw I already posted an order earlier.

JTB
Kary
Circus
PJB
OS
J
Bardull

I think this was it, but besides from J and Bardull I don't really care about the order too much. PJB could claim next and I wouldn't care too much.

@Circus: You don't think both J and Bardull are scum, do you?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Why PJB is scum

J - town. I don't think you're gonna hear any opinions that differ greatly on this point. J has played about as townie as anyone could in this game. Came into the game a bit late, but came in strong. He's pushing people without trying to lynch them first. Scum would probably try to hurry up and quicklynch.

Overswarm - town. He kind of took over the game when he showed up. Admittedly, the directions he's taken us hasn't landed us scum yet, but I really can't find anti-town intent from what he's done. His logic has been sound, even if it hasn't been right. He seems like a valuable asset to town.

Circus - mostly null. If I had to lean one way or the other, I guess I'd lean scummy. I don't really know if this is a playstyle thing, or if he's maybe just busy. He just seems to pop in every once in awhile to make sure we know he's not dead, but he doesn't come off as super townie. He seemed like a much stronger town presence in the Mass Effect game, but that was with a hydra. Kind of a question mark, for me. Hopefully he steps it up.

Sworddancer - null/town. He's kind of the opposite of circus in my mind. He's been pretty inactive, and I have no meta on him to fill in the blanks. His occasional peeks into the thread have felt contributory to town. I'm still keeping an eye on him, cuz making a couple good posts is easy to do to appear townie. Overall though, I do like his posts, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of them.


I may do more of these tomorrow, but these are the ones Bardull asked for.

Kary - tentative town. Kary just seems like Kary to me so far. Nothing really sticks out as unusual to me. He's a little more inactive than I'd expect, but I think he's got irl johns for that. More activity could solidify this for me, but I'm not uncomfortable with a town label based on what I see.

Ran - scum lean. I'm really scratching my head on this one. I wanna label him as town based on early play, but his claim really confuses me. I guess it fits as derpy town, but it seems like he's trying to use his claim to force a wagon on OS, someone I read as town. He said earlier that he believed Ryu to be a strongman, but his vote implies that OS is the strongman, and he thinks that makes him scum. Thing is, when he thought ryu was strongman, there was no vote. Then he decided to ask everyone else if they thought strongman was a scummy role so he could have an excuse to vote someone based on that. Looks like a backdoor if I ever saw one. Hearing his explanation for this will be interesting.

Bardull - scum lean. This is mostly from jdietz's play. He never contributed much that wasn't designed to push a town lynch along faster, or dismiss a lynchee's views. Bardull seems to be improving my opinion of the slot, but I got burned by Bardull last time I played with him in BaM/PB, so I'm cautious. I'm also hesitant to let his play just undo what jdietz did.

1. Look at his stances from Circus downwards. Pay attention to his wording. It's hard to explain what I don't like about it, but it just feels really disingenuous to me. I'll try my best to dissect just what it is about these posts that bother me.

1. He has Kary as a "tentative" town read and yet is comfortable giving the "town label." Shows a disingenuous thought process, as if he didn't really know what to think of Kary.

2. States the he "hopes Circus will step it." This is something that just strikes me as fake. Like a nice little sentence that he added at the end of his post just to wrap up his thoughts on Circus.

3. His reads are based on generic things. "Sworddancer is inactive, but he contributory when he does post." "Circus just pops in every once in awhile . . . but he doesn't come off as super townie."

4. He seems a bit too conservative in his word choice and stances. "Ran could just be derpy town, BUT . . . " "Bardull's play seems townie, BUT I got burned last time." "I'm catious," "I'm hesitant," etc..

damnit, I'm not gonna be around today and I wanted to drop a Ryu vote before leaving. I don't wanna hammer him yet though :/ Guess I'll just leave some thoughts

@Ryu. You realize that what you're doing isn't going to be looked upon in great light? Like, if you flip scum, nobody is gonna just go for J/July/Circus because you're clearly WIFOMing. If you're town, you are playing really dumb, and nobody is gonna trust your judgment.

What you're doing here reads like scum trying to cut the day short. The fact that what you're doing isn't unheard of does not make it a good plan. In fact, it makes it worse, because the fact that it isn't unheard of just decreases the impact of it.

I'm going to vote you if stuff isn't better looking by tomorrow, possibly later tonight.

2. This post. Basically just thoughtlessly joining in on the RR hate. Bolded paragraph is generic and not true, considering that there was only two days left until deadline. He pretty much just took what I said earlier ("You trying to cut the Day short RR") and capy pasted it without much thought.

Last line looks really fake. What was PJB expecting RR to do in that time period that would significantly change things?

Sorry for not being around, guys. I'll prolly be around for awhile tomorrow (Mon), but I'm always gone on Tuesdays. Promise to get fully in it on Wed.

Right now I'm looking at JTB's claim, and all it is, is that he gives us info that scum would know anyway. Kind of fishy.

I'm also looking at J wrt his interaction with Kary. It's not quite as bad as before, but it kind of seems like he's reaching again. Kary just seems like Kary to me.

3. This post. Second line is meh/obvious, plus he doesn't even really commit to suspicion of JTB. Last line is terrible. "I'm looking at J's interactions with Kary?" What interactions? You mean the ONE POST that J made towards Kary? Again it feels like you're just copy pasting me here.

Also, I don't get the impression that you're really "looking" at anything at all. I mean, you're looking at what? ONE person's claim and TWO posts made between J and Kary. What exactly are you looking at anyways? Feels like false contribution to me. Which is probably the one thing I don't like about your slot, false contribution. I do not get the impression that PJB is legit scumhunting this game at all.

4. PoE. I mean honestly, who else could be scum at this point? We have 10 people left and at least 4 scum. There's not too much room left for the uncertainties to be town.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Intellectual honesty: The one thing I do like about PJB is his reactions to the pressure on him. His defense of himself was very logical and he was aggressive in just a way that a usually don't expect out of newbie scum.

@Bardull, Kary: You both have town reads on PJB. Can you go into them more?

@Kary: Can you please defend yourself against Bardull's points made against your 1155?

 

[Overswarm]

Sworddancer, can you list 6 town? Ignore scum reads for now, just list 6 people here that you think are not mafia. I want a clearer look at what you consider unknowns.

My only hangup on you was a possible Red Ryu / SDancer scum team but with Ryu gone I'm pretty sure you're town.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I've skimmed the posts since Day start and I clearly have a lot to get to.

Bardull, try to see reason. It's mylo. I'm not scum. Unvote me. My claim will prove my innocence, but I want to get some claims from other people before I give the full reveal. Namely, yours and J's. I expect resistance on this and am willing to compromise by giving you my name and role, but not my Night actions until after I get claims from you and J.

Reading back to see if there's anything specific I want to respond to immediately.

Granted.

Kary, OS, PJB, one of you guys go next.

 

[#HBC | J]

I can't really explain, Circus, until I full-claim which will happen in due time. However, why is picking Kantrip my worst choice in Reviving? That's far from the truth.

I could have revived anyone. If I was scum, why not revive BRB? Or Le B? Hell, Soup was the worst town role to revive in my opinion due to if we had any more guns/killing going on, it would be game over for town. If Soup was even shot during the night and he shot incorrectly due to his vengence role, game would be over as well.

You are trying to throw FUD on my claim, before I have even claimed. I'm getting to the rest of your post though now.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sworddancer, can you list 6 town? Ignore scum reads for now, just list 6 people here that you think are not mafia. I want a clearer look at what you consider unknowns.

My only hangup on you was a possible Red Ryu / SDancer scum team but with Ryu gone I'm pretty sure you're town.

I know that you're busy, but if you've read the thread then you should have a pretty clear idea on this.

I can't give these reads with great certainty, but from my reads so far:

me
you
Bardull
J
Ran
Kanty

You only because of NAs. I honestly despise your play so far. Every case you've made so far is so much BS. If you weren't targeted by a kill Night 1 then you'll be down there with PJB in terms of scum reads.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I can't really explain, Circus, until I full-claim which will happen in due time. However, why is picking Kantrip my worst choice in Reviving? That's far from the truth.

I could have revived anyone. If I was scum, why not revive BRB? Or Le B? Hell, Soup was the worst town role to revive in my opinion due to if we had any more guns/killing going on, it would be game over for town. If Soup was even shot during the night and he shot incorrectly due to his vengence role, game would be over as well.

You are trying to throw FUD on my claim, before I have even claimed. I'm getting to the rest of your post though now.

Hmmm, tis is true.

Alright, I believe you.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Now OS about that claim . . .

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually, seems I answered most of his post already.

Circus, you seem to just be getting on me, solely because you disagreed with my choice on Kantrip which I have to say is just a matter of opinion and you are getting all hopped up over it as well. Our two investigative's (Swords/Ran) are both weak investigatives that have not given us much info. Kanty's role can give us info and maybe something from N1.

@Swords: JTB has already claimed. Lemme find the post.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually, seems I answered most of his post already.

Circus, you seem to just be getting on me, solely because you disagreed with my choice on Kantrip which I have to say is just a matter of opinion and you are getting all hopped up over it as well. Our two investigative's (Swords/Ran) are both weak investigatives that have not given us much info. Kanty's role can give us info and maybe something from N1.

@Swords: JTB has already claimed. Lemme find the post.

I know? 0_0 Where did I state that he didn't?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm going to just claim now since I haven't done anything this game and really have no reason to stall it.

I'm Naoki Konishi, Town Sadsack. I don't have any abilities, but at the start of each day, I mope to myself and consider the state of the game in a series of "what ifs".

I can outline what each night has said if people want it, but for the most part they have been like what I got at the end of last night.

If I am to consider my what ifs to be true, there are 4-5 scum left in the game, the poisoner is still alive, and someone can still have their alignment changed. It ends with me thinking about what my friend Narukami-san would do if he was in my position.

Here it is.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh, I thought since you hadn't mentioned anything about it and still had his name in the claim list you hadn't seen it....^^"

 

[ranmaru]

I have class tonite, so I'll post tommorow.

 

[BarDulL]

Circus, I'm not "dragging your name through the mud." You need to not react to me in such an antagonistic fashion dude, how do you expect me to want to work with you if you're doing that while calling me dumb? Anyway, I don't think my logic is flawed at all; lynching RR because he's being anti-town is a DUMB OR SCUM move. I refrain from going on the "dumb" route because I think you're better than that, so all I'm really left with is scum scum scum. I'm sorry if you can't see that but w/e, hopefully others will.

I don't even understand why you want me and J specifically to claim after to you or why you feel it is imperative for us to do that. Frankly I don't think you're in a position to be making these kinds of requests anyway. I doubt you're going to get ruined by my claim though so ultimately it doesn't matter. Fair warning, if your claim does not prove your innocence then I will continue to push against you without hesitance.

Anyway, I have no qualms claiming outright since most of the doctors are dead anyway AND I can't be killed by poison (I think), so here it is:

I am Sayoko Uehara, Town Doctor Enabler. I'm the devil Arcana nurse lady from Persona 4 that is always flirting with Yu. Basically, if I die, all doctor roles will not be able to use their main abilities at all.

I have a single role modifier called "Ascetic" which states that I CAN NOT be targeted by any abilities during the night phase except for abilities that kill me during that same night phase.

 

[Overswarm]

Now OS about that claim . . .

What about it? Make up your mind. You posted an order and I wasn't on top.

TB,
Kary,
Circus
OS (flavor),
PJB.
Bardull
J

Personally I feel the same way about you, by the way. Town by night action processes. I think your play has been pretty grimy up until now because you just hid in the shadows as people died. You have been on a grand total of zero lynches and weren't exactly chomping at the bit to prevent them. Your claim has worked out to be true so far; the only thing I don't understand is the night kill on me you claim. It is incredibly grimy to wait until you have a 4/10 chance of guessing someone is scum to start playing.

There were THREE day 1 night kills. Mafia poisons. Kantrip was shot, La B was shot, and... I was shot? There's a third killing ability that apparently hasn't reared its head, not counting my backup to Soup. That doesn't add up to me. For all your analysis this hasn't seemed to come up from what I've skimmed.

But everything else you've said lines up and the last people I saw lynched because of oddities flipped town, so I'm taking a backseat because its entirely possible there's another kill out there and even if you are scum, we can figure that out later with more information.

But currently, it makes no sense to me. I received no notification from Nabe whatsoever and throughout the entire game we've only seen three killing roles.

1) Soup
2) Ryker
3) Poisoner

Where did the THIRD night kill attempt come from? Did mafia or the Inquisitor get a double shot N1? Is there a Jack-of-all-trades that attempted to kill me N1, and if so why?

Occam's razor says "Swords is lying", plain and simple.

Then again, when Rajam's guesses didn't line up it said the same thing.
When Chuckie was so closely linked with La B, it said the same thing.
When Red Ryu's claim made no freaking sense whatsoever and he claimed to have shot in lylo, it said the same thing.

I've proven myself town not by what actions have happened TO me, but by my LACK of actions. If I had shot, as any alignment, and been wrong, game would have been over. 100% guaranteed victory for mafia and it didn't occur.

Don't take my inactivity for a lack of interest in the game; my inactivity is legitimate, and my games this time of year EVERY year are proof. I work in a University; if you think you're busy having final exams you have no idea how busy the people on the other side of the coin are.

 

[BarDulL]

What about it? Make up your mind. You posted an order and I wasn't on top.



Personally I feel the same way about you, by the way. Town by night action processes. I think your play has been pretty grimy up until now because you just hid in the shadows as people died. You have been on a grand total of zero lynches and weren't exactly chomping at the bit to prevent them. Your claim has worked out to be true so far; the only thing I don't understand is the night kill on me you claim. It is incredibly grimy to wait until you have a 4/10 chance of guessing someone is scum to start playing.

There were THREE day 1 night kills. Mafia poisons. Kantrip was shot, La B was shot, and... I was shot? There's a third killing ability that apparently hasn't reared its head, not counting my backup to Soup. That doesn't add up to me. For all your analysis this hasn't seemed to come up from what I've skimmed.

But everything else you've said lines up and the last people I saw lynched because of oddities flipped town, so I'm taking a backseat because its entirely possible there's another kill out there and even if you are scum, we can figure that out later with more information.

But currently, it makes no sense to me. I received no notification from Nabe whatsoever and throughout the entire game we've only seen three killing roles.

1) Soup
2) Ryker
3) Poisoner

Where did the THIRD night kill attempt come from? Did mafia or the Inquisitor get a double shot N1? Is there a Jack-of-all-trades that attempted to kill me N1, and if so why?

Occam's razor says "Swords is lying", plain and simple.

Then again, when Rajam's guesses didn't line up it said the same thing.
When Chuckie was so closely linked with La B, it said the same thing.
When Red Ryu's claim made no freaking sense whatsoever and he claimed to have shot in lylo, it said the same thing.

I've proven myself town not by what actions have happened TO me, but by my LACK of actions. If I had shot, as any alignment, and been wrong, game would have been over. 100% guaranteed victory for mafia and it didn't occur.

Don't take my inactivity for a lack of interest in the game; my inactivity is legitimate, and my games this time of year EVERY year are proof. I work in a University; if you think you're busy having final exams you have no idea how busy the people on the other side of the coin are.

You haven't proven anything OS. As long as you haven't proven ability use then you're still in a rut.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why did you claim, Bardull...? You were just posting on how Circus isn't in a position to make those demands, but then you obliged him with it.

 

[BarDulL]

Because it literally does not matter. My claim is 99% likely not going to ruin him and I don't really expect him to counter claim me. Either way I just want to get this shiz out of the way because I want him to prove his innocence without a doubt, otherwise I'm just going to keep pushing him.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well I guess that makes sense. Still want Circus to claim within his next post. My claim will prove my innocence and another person's but that is for later. Circus is more of a priority than Kary/PBJ but those two can claim whenever they get back into the thread.

 

[Overswarm]

You haven't proven anything OS. As long as you haven't proven ability use then you're still in a rut.

Oh, you want me to use my ability tonight?

Because that's the scenario you're painting. If we lynch town and lose, that means lynching me results in a loss. 0% win rate. If I shoot and hit scum, I prove my role and exist another day. If I hit town, we lose. 40% win rate.

So you're saying I should just take a shot in the dark? Make my best scum read and go for it?

Because that's the scenario you're throwing out there. I could have proven my role toNight, and didn't. You can think I'm lying all you want; I don't care. I have a provable ability, all you can do is try to rush a lynch on me by fear mongering that I'll kill and throw the game... except I've already proven that I won't do that.

So you're stuck with me.

 

[Overswarm]

Hey bardull, remember Sworddancer's list? The one that had you at the bottom?


JTB,
Kary,
Circus
OS (flavor),
PJB.
Bardull
J


Seriously. Chomping at the bit here.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh, you want me to use my ability tonight?

Because that's the scenario you're painting. If we lynch town and lose, that means lynching me results in a loss. 0% win rate. If I shoot and hit scum, I prove my role and exist another day. If I hit town, we lose. 40% win rate.

So you're saying I should just take a shot in the dark? Make my best scum read and go for it?

Because that's the scenario you're throwing out there. I could have proven my role toNight, and didn't. You can think I'm lying all you want; I don't care. I have a provable ability, all you can do is try to rush a lynch on me by fear mongering that I'll kill and throw the game... except I've already proven that I won't do that.

So you're stuck with me.

Sorry man, but without proven ability use, I can't just assume "strongman" is an implication that you're a back-up vigilante.

BTW, you never full claimed. Can you tell us what character you are?

 

[BarDulL]

Hey bardull, remember Sworddancer's list? The one that had you at the bottom?


JTB,
Kary,
Circus
OS (flavor),
PJB.
Bardull
J


Seriously. Chomping at the bit here.

My claim isn't going to ruin anyone, I'm 99% on that.

*sits in a lawn chair with Pina Colada and waits for everyone else to claim.*

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, WRT my PJB read, I thought his reaction to RR was fine and not a stretch of the imagination. Although I'm starting to doubt my read because wtf@calling J scum when J just revived someone, lawl.

 

[BarDulL]

His read list at the beginning of D3 was also fine and I had no particular qualms with it at all.

 

[Overswarm]

Sorry man, but without proven ability use, I can't just assume "strongman" is an implication that you're a back-up vigilante.

BTW, you never full claimed. Can you tell us what character you are?

IN THE ORDER

THAT MAKES SENSE



Order matters Bardull.

Let's say, for example, that Circus is scum and I'm town. Circus feels the pressure, and you guys get me to claim, and I claim joe billy bob and then Circus comes in and claims joe billy bob.

What exactly do you do then?

Who do you lynch? You gonna lynch me today Bardull? If my character doesn't match, then you'll push for me? Or you gonna push for Circus? Or who else? Who you gonna choose over the other?

Because you claiming out of turn potentially creates that scenario. Me claiming out of turn potentially creates that scenario.

J apparently gets to clear two people, herself and one other. That's some scary **** for scum, so you know who they want to claim first? J. You know why J will claim at the end? Because if Circus and I both claim Joe and it's between us two and J says "I cleared OS via ability XYZ" then Circus' gambit is done and over with. If J claims first and says "I cleared OS" and I claim Joe then you know who Circus claims? NOT JOE.

J won't claim first. J'll claim last because that makes sense knowing what we know and give us the most information.

You already claimed. What if Circus would have claimed your role? Your character? Something stupid close? He'd be dead in the water but for some reason you claimed early because you didn't think more than give seconds into the future.

So what if Circus DID claim your role? What do we do? One of you would be scum, right? Wouldn't that be a helluva lot easier if we, ya know, had heard Circus first? Because if he has your role or something close to it, he knows you're scum. If he doesn't, he'll just claim something else.

Sure, scum could have safe claims. But if their safe claims were ****ing solid as a rock there'd be no point in claiming. If we all claim and it turns out that Circus claimed "I'm town prankster, I put funny hats on people", we can guarantee it happens with Sworddancer's ability. Like to the letter. Not "someone visited this guy" but actually "he put a funny hat on him", that's how SD's role works.

But since you claimed first, it is entirely possible we missed out on catching someone in a lie that would make this way easier on us. Mafia 101. Sheesh. We've got time, wait your turn.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I really should be studying but OS certainly has a way to grind my gears sometimes. Seriously, the last time he ticked me off was Gord's king maker, and pretty much for the same reason. I know that you have me as town but I hate it when people accuse me of nonsense.

Personally I feel the same way about you, by the way. Town by night action processes. I think your play has been pretty grimy up until now because you just hid in the shadows as people died. You have been on a grand total of zero lynches and weren't exactly chomping at the bit to prevent them. Your claim has worked out to be true so far; the only thing I don't understand is the night kill on me you claim. It is incredibly grimy to wait until you have a 4/10 chance of guessing someone is scum to start playing.

There were THREE day 1 night kills. Mafia poisons. Kantrip was shot, La B was shot, and... I was shot? There's a third killing ability that apparently hasn't reared its head, not counting my backup to Soup. That doesn't add up to me. For all your analysis this hasn't seemed to come up from what I've skimmed.

But everything else you've said lines up and the last people I saw lynched because of oddities flipped town, so I'm taking a backseat because its entirely possible there's another kill out there and even if you are scum, we can figure that out later with more information.

But currently, it makes no sense to me. I received no notification from Nabe whatsoever and throughout the entire game we've only seen three killing roles.

1) Soup
2) Ryker
3) Poisoner

I sat in the shadows? Uh, context much? Day 1 I was inactive because of school. It's true that I didn't do as much as I should about Rajam, but I hardly feel like I should be zeroed in on because of that. Day 2 I was also inactive because of school plus I had yet to catch up, and I TOLD people not to lynch Chuckie when I saw the wagon on him building. However he was quick lynched regardless, there was nothing I could do about that. RR was . . . a bad lynch. My Night actions more or less cleared him, the only reason people could still cling to him was because of the interpretation that he was some type of mafia protective. I definitely should have fought against his lynch, however I didn't. Part because I was sick, part because a worser part of me wanted him still dead, so I admit guilt for that.

All this said, you're looking at this in a very generic light of "Oh Sworddancer avoided the wagons thus he's sitting in the shadows" without taking into consideration the context of me situation or my huge amounts of activity that came after I became available. Actually try to read my play, don't just build a read based on one mildly incriminating fact.

Anyways, I don't see why it's impossible for you to have been targeted by the poisoner Night 1 OS. Mafia wiki confirms that sometimes jailer protects against all killing roles. Earlier I asked Nabe about this and he said that it's mod dependent and that he wouldn't comment on the nature of any roles this game, but that it's true that the standard sometimes allows the jailer to protect against all kills. I personally subscribe to this theory, as it explains Night 1 if you were targeted by poison but were protected by Raz. While I don't get why Ryker would want to kill Kanty, I still think that this theory lines up too well with occum's razor to ignore it.

Thus you're most likely town.

Also, like I said in that SAME post you quoted, I honestly don't care too much about the order besides from J and bardull (btw, before you ask, I don't care about Bardull's preemptive claim). If you're here, then you might as well claim now.

 

[Overswarm]

Yawn. You just made a post that said "This is bull****! Everything you said is accurate but completely and totally legitimate please believe me."

Like I said, you're currently a PoE townie to me and will remain so until everything else is accounted for. I can't judge you by your play because your play has been mostly non-existent. Even now you're dancing around instead of taking charge, despite being the golden boy of the moment. I'd really, really like a better read on you and I've been patiently waiting for you to step up to the plate and push someone's lynch but for some reason Bardull going after Circus is the deciding factor for today's momentum? Really? You've had nothing to push for all game?

Anyways, I don't see why it's impossible for you to have been targeted by the poisoner Night 1 OS. Mafia wiki confirms that sometimes jailer protects against all killing roles. Earlier I asked Nabe about this and he said that it's mod dependent and that he wouldn't comment on the nature of any roles this game, but that it's true that the standard sometimes allows the jailer to protect against all kills. I personally subscribe to this theory, as it explains Night 1 if you were targeted by poison but were protected by Raz. While I don't get why Ryker would want to kill Kanty, I still think that this theory lines up too well with occum's razor to ignore it.

WTF is this? I thought Red Ryu protected me?

And where did the three kills come from?

 

[BarDulL]

IMO it was probably Raz that protected you if nothing else.

 

[BarDulL]

I would have to retread Raz's posts to see if that makes sense tho

 

[#HBC | J]

OS, you have known me for about 2+ years now....you should know I'm a guy.

@Swords: Something bugged me in your last post.

Also, like I said in that SAME post you quoted, I honestly don't care too much about the order besides from J and bardull (btw, before you ask, I don't care about Bardull's preemptive claim). If you're here, then you might as well claim now.

Why did you not care about Bardull's pre-emptive full-claim, but had a problem with my soft-claim?

 

[Overswarm]

OS, you have known me for about 2+ years now....you should know I'm a guy.

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Stop putting girls as your avatar and unprank yourself so you aren't pink. Also yoshi and peach and lucas.
>:[

 

[#HBC | J]

But Emma Stone is pretty and marshy said I couldn't keep an avatar for more than a week. Plus I don't mind pink at all.

Anyone besides Peach is not a feminine thing. >:[

 

[BarDulL]

But Emma Stone is pretty and marshy said I couldn't keep an avatar for more than a week.

LOOL. After I ranted about Emma Watson not being sexually attractive, marshy was like "I feel the same way BarDulL does, but wrt to Emma Stone instead of Emma Watson."

 

[#HBC | J]

He knows my love for Emma Stone burns strong.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Ok I guess I can claim.

I'm Chie Satonaka, Town Cop Enabler.

My role is essentially the same as Bardull's, but it enables all the investigatives instead of protectives. I also have the Ascetic modifier, and I'm scratching my head why the hell so many townies have that.

and I'm wondering why everyone thinks me questioning J is so unreasonable. Please explain how he is confirmed to have revived Kantrip, because I've read nothing indicating that he was the one to do it. All I see is him saying it.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "someone would counter-claim".