Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

[#HBC | Kary]

well ****

Right now, I think scum lays in J, Circus, Kary, JTB. OS/July/RR are controversial for a couple of reasons, but I don't see them as immediate threats. I'm comfortable with PJB. Sword and Ran must be Town no matter what

Bardull please talk to me about the above, because I wasn't expecting you to come in toDay hollering for Circus' head and a mass claim (especially not both), so can you just flesh out where your head is at for me?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Request deadline extension due to finals.

The deadline is literally 2 days after finals finish for me, and I'm going to a tourny on the 8th so I'm just doing this preemptively.

Just a couple things:

1. I used my voyeur ability on July last Night, but no one visited her but myself, which makes me think that she was poisoned the Night before.

2. I am 98% certain that RR was naive. Day 4 I asked Nabe if he could tell me what "miscellaneous" meant and if he could give me examples of it. He told me that miscellaneous was anything that didn't fall into any other category, and he listed naive roles (roles that think they are doing something but aren't) as an example of such. "Overconfident child" sounds naive and would explain why RR's shot failed on PJB. It also explains why there were multiple "back up" roles in the game and that someone else (most likely Raz) protected OS Night 1.

3. I need to reread Day 4, taking special consideration of both Circus and J. However, I'm really thinking that PJB is scum and ultimately the one lynched toDay. Him, JTB, or Kary. I'll build a case on him later, but there really isn't that much about him that sticks out as townie to me.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh btw mass claim is fine.
JTB,
Kary,
Circus
OS (flavor),
PJB.
Bardull
J

I think that's everyone.

This is the order we should do it imo, but it doesn't matter too much to me. I'm not going to fight over it at least.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

it sounds stupid but I hate mass claim in Lylo. drags the day out :/

also @Swords; i'm inclined to agree with you w.r.t. RR; my first thought was the Calvin from Gigabots (iirc) which was like a fake inventor. I just don't know why RR would get such a bum role in a town otherwise pumped to the max

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ugh, but it's pretty important nevertheless.

Kary, you're aware that most of the game wants you dead, right? So, any thoughts? Any defense you wanta put up? Scumpicks?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

it sounds stupid but I hate mass claim in Lylo. drags the day out :/

Like seriously, if town has any hope of winning then they have to lynch perfectly for the next couple of Days. Even if toDay is "dragged out" it's still necessary for the Days to come.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

beyond that we'd be better off skipping mass claim toDay and just lynching someone, and I still think that someone should be OS, not particularly...

idk, I prefer to watch how people come into a Day, to see what they want from it, before I start pushing about what I want (which isn't actually news anyways). thought i might have to butt heads with J toDay given we seem to be on completely different wavelengths all game, but I'm more than happy to give that a miss.

I mean, it's not as if I don't have any thoughts, I just don't see the point in putting them out there right now :/

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Where's the fire that you had in newbie 19 Kary?

Kary, the thing is is that were in LYLO. People want you dead. In LYLO. Is this clicking for you yet? By playing it cool you're sending me a very weird message.

You don't really get the benefit at this point of "getting to wait to see what other people want" first. You had this benefit for the past 4 Days now. It's your turn now to prove your worth.

Also in worse case scenario OS is indy aspect. Aspects can't kill. You still want him dead in the face of this? No other scumreads?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Like seriously, if town has any hope of winning then they have to lynch perfectly for the next couple of Days. Even if toDay is "dragged out" it's still necessary for the Days to come.

nah, i don't agree that it's necessary, and I do think that unless someone trips up you're just laying everything you have left on the table for scum, and can easily end up rushing a lynch at the end of the day.

I mean, if you had no idea who you wanted toDay then fair enough, but I have never understood when players say 'I want X dead but I also want everyone to claim'. Would much rather postpone for a Day or so until we don't have an idea of where we want to go.

don't really want to argue this because it's just my opinion, but i've seen massclaim drag out and it's not pretty or good for town

 

[#HBC | Kary]

the **** OS is worse case indy aspect :/

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

the **** OS is worse case indy aspect :/

Someone tried to kill him Night 1, but he was protected. Either it was mafia (who somehow lost their ability to kill without poison, as evidence by the fact that only one kill has been showing up lately) in which case he's town. However, he could have been either town or mafia who was targeted by the indy last Night, in which case he would have been converted to an indy aspect as either alignment (I'm guessing, anyways).

Unless you have an alternative explanation, which I'll love to hear.

 

[BarDulL]

Then before N2 I found out that I was now Naked Teddie, Town Switch-Doctor. I can now protect someone with my bear suit which protects them for ANY activities which could poison or kill them during the Night or which could change their alignment. My modifiers are Naked, which means that any activities which target me will be redirected to the person on whom I used my active ability, My Fur Makes Two which gives me a second vote, and Potential, which means my role can change again if certain conditions are met.

Sword, July could not have been poisoned because of this quote. The only explanation is that Mafia have a standard night kill as well as a poison.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

seriously swords are you just trying to piss me off?

did you miss the part where Ran had a strongman result on OS?

i suppose you could be townreading Ran and OS but tbh that doesn't fly with me.

 

[BarDulL]

Kary...Sword has to be Town, July confirmed that she redirected him...-_-

 

[BarDulL]

Plus, the nature of his ability suggests that he's Town.

 

[BarDulL]

The core of the Inquisitor role is dead. Any aspects or recruited players can be dealt with later on the grounds that they probably can't kill.

I agree with your order Sword

 

[#HBC | Kary]

dafuq

i'm not doubting swords as town

i just thing he's plain wrong

and I don't even understand #1331

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sword, July could not have been poisoned because of this quote. The only explanation is that Mafia have a standard night kill as well as a poison.

? I fail to see where in that quote July states that she's immune to poison.

seriously swords are you just trying to piss me off?

did you miss the part where Ran had a strongman result on OS?

i suppose you could be townreading Ran and OS but tbh that doesn't fly with me.

Yeah, and? Are you suggesting that he would no longer have those traits if he was converted? How do you explain the fact that someone targeted him with a kill?

Kary...Sword has to be Town, July confirmed that she redirected him...-_-

I don't think that's what he was getting at. He's pissed because I have his scum read as town due to NAs.

 

[BarDulL]

? I fail to see where in that quote July states that she's immune to poison.

My modifiers are Naked, which means that any activities which target me will be redirected to the person on whom I used my active ability

Make sense now? ;o

 

[BarDulL]

Huh. I'm confused. How the hell did she die then?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

and I don't even understand #1331

What is it that you don't understand?

Lets take this step by step then. You can agree with me that he was either targeted Night 1 by either the mafia or the indy, right? You also agree with me that I saw a killing role target OS Night 1, right?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Huh. I'm confused. How the hell did she die then?

You got me.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

aight

OS was targeted with a kill N1... likely not Soup so indy/mafia
in all likelihood you saw this happen

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

So if mafia targeted OS then he is town, because mafia wouldn't target themselves.

If the indy targeted OS then he is most likely an aspect, because of how the inquisitor role works.

Where's the logic falling through here Kary?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh wait, DUH! July didn't know about my role modifier Night 3, which makes it so that any ability besides abilities that can kill me will fail. July never successfully protected me, which is why she was still poisoned.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

ah ok

we have completely different interpretations of how an inquisitor might work, then

wasn't seriously considering that OS might have changed alignment, and didn't think that if he had he would have lost access to a nkill.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well that explains that. I would also like to not claim please. Otherwise, I agree with Swords' claim order. I'll be back to post more later.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

If OS could still nkill and was mafia then this game would probably be over right now. =p

 

[#HBC | Kary]

If OS had changed alignment he'd probably be up **** creek without a paddle

but you might be right. there is a lot of high power stuff going on this game

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

If OS had changed alignment he'd probably be up **** creek without a paddle

but you might be right. there is a lot of high power stuff going on this game

Hence why his play post Ryker/Gova death has been so nonexistent.

Also hence why you should have more than one scumread right now.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hence why his play post Ryker/Gova death has been so nonexistent.

Don't misinterpret this though. While my gut wants OS to be scum, he's probably town just by sheer probability.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

ah ok

we have completely different interpretations of how an inquisitor might work, then

wasn't seriously considering that OS might have changed alignment, and didn't think that if he had he would have lost access to a nkill.

How did you figure inquisitor worked?

Btw I have to study so this is probably my last post for awhile.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

*smh*

i don't have any scumreads as strong as OS; I'm scumreading people like Circus and JTB by PoE, but I don't want to lynch them based solely on that. Half the reason why I want to see what people are doing toDay.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

How did you figure inquisitor worked?

I didn't, particularly, beyond them having a kill... I just read it as SK faction tbh

and I don't know whether OS, having been recruited by an inquisitor, would go out of his wasy to then explain how an inquisitor works, but w/e

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

*smh*

i don't have any scumreads as strong as OS; I'm scumreading people like Circus and JTB by PoE, but I don't want to lynch them based solely on that. Half the reason why I want to see what people are doing toDay.

Well, you could use that thing called "the rest of the game" to help you get those scumreads =p

 

[#HBC | J]

I have to agree with Swords on this one, Kary. You are seriously saying you have no scum-reads whatsoever besides OS? There was nothing that stuck out to you throughout the entire game-phase?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

i don't have any scumreads as strong as OS; I'm scumreading people like Circus and JTB by PoE, but I don't want to lynch them based solely on that.

i'm saying the only person I'm happy to lynch right now is OS, and that given we don't have room to **** up, i'm going to need some convincing to lynch anyone else right now

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

A player has been revived!

Potassium has returned to the game.

With 10 players alive, it is now 6 votes to lynch.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well it seems we aren't in LyLo anymore.

 

[BarDulL]

Kaaaaaaaannnntrrrrrrriiiiiippppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!