Tranquility - Game Over

[#HBC | Nabe]

this could be like bsp
but warranted

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

No, let's be real.

Vinyl. Continuing to be in this game without posting ruins the game for everyone. I appreciate that you don't think there's anything to be said about the events of the game, but if that's the case, kindly replace out. The spirit of the game is to make posts about minutiae, and if that doesn't appeal, please don't stick around out of spite.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You're asking me to change my mind? Okay, guess I'd stick around here more often.

****.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I don't know what you mean. I generally try to be communicate strongly in mafia, ever since Gala and Lactose in Lazy Neighbourhood, and it's only recently I've been loose again.

Even then, I've never seen you word a read like this before:

I don't have much ability to read Laundry. But I don't think my perception of events is wrong here, especially since I just read the whole thread today.

This isn't an answer to a question but it's damn well phrased to look like one. You don't actually explain your town-lean on me, you simply state that you don't have much ability to read me and that you know what happened. This isn't an explanation for the read at hand.

Don't play games with me, Nabe.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

hardbodying the complete and utter **** outta vinyls *****ass fore this game ends. even if its during lylo and he flips town for the loss itdve been worth it

like

i don't wanna do it now, given that it's a complete 50/50 based on what he flips

but i wanna do it now so he's not ****ing playing the game anymore

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

People hate that we didn't move our vote D1, so I vote someone to show intent here to make it clear.
People hate that I voted someone: you're not making this easy to contribute.


@Washed: you can tell me that it was a full moon too and it won't change when I came to thread and why I was bothered by it. We'll talk in post I guess.

This is in no way on anyone but yourself. The fact that you moved your vote is crap just as moving it onto Nabe and then saying "nonono let me do my thing" as soon as he arrives. It's not that you're doing things, it's that you're doing them badly/weirdly. On second reread, I'm tempted to give you more lenience but your slot has been entirely nebulous throughout the entire game and I don't like that fact.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@ #HBC | Nabe

whys vinyl on yur ****list?

i miss no hetero

someone down to pull the trigger on vinyl. nice

sometimes i just don't understand you

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

totally chill with vinyl. modkill tbh, would suck if the day ended preemptively cause he was town but i dont really think he is

where is a vinyl modkill being mentioned

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You have it all confused but you shall surely be excused
For it is not only you who struggles to heed my words the way they're meant to be
Hiding is not the potatos fault - it is his lustless assault:
He claims the genius is wicked yet too often on the same pushes they could agree

This makes it more clear for me and is something I haven't noticed. If I reread before the end of today, which I'm considering, I'll look at this a bit more.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@ #HBC | Nabe : Why is Gheb in your scumlist?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Guess who is blacklisted from my games.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No, let's be real.

Vinyl. Continuing to be in this game without posting ruins the game for everyone. I appreciate that you don't think there's anything to be said about the events of the game, but if that's the case, kindly replace out. The spirit of the game is to make posts about minutiae, and if that doesn't appeal, please don't stick around out of spite.

Please consider this Vinyl.

 

[Vinylic.]

I already have, but I think kary missed it. Again, /replace out.

I did not have the time to contribute as I was in New York, so I was able to participate in mini mafia more than this one, which definitely screwed me up. I can't play until I pay for a new internet plan.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

@ #HBC | Laundry

wrt "marshy do you still hate me and want me dead"

i like what youve posted tho its not enough for me to call you town. its enough that i dont think id lynch you before vinyl and nabe. im waitin on shenani to respond to me/potato nabe to say more **** and for this vinyl slot to be situated (is he getting modkilled? someone replacing?) fore im really sure. part of me wants to just hardbody the **** outta nabe/vinyl back to back cuz i REALLY doubt they both are town and im fine losing if they are. current situations annoying cuz people keep flyin in a million ****ing directions bickering but i dont see enough urgency despite half the playerlist (me/potato/nabe/soup) posting lynchpools. this should change soon with some clarity regarding vinyl you and gheb making headway with nabe/potato respectively and presumably a claim from shenani but yeah

ill lynch shenani/nabe/vinyl today. theres an inactive/lurker scum and ill mow em all down just get one if i have to i dont give a ****. im just havin trouble pinpointing which slot i want most due to shenani playing at a snails place with the vinyl slots absence

 

[YOLOSWAG]

@ Shenanigenius

well thats nice timing. get at me and potato?

 

[Shenanigenius]

I already have, but I think kary missed it. Again, /replace out.

I did not have the time to contribute as I was in New York, so I was able to participate in mini mafia more than this one, which definitely screwed me up. I can't play until I pay for a new internet plan.

No offense but you barely even played in that game either. It was a big part of why me and Gorf took the victory.

tis a good point. i have half a mind to go nabe today

where are you at shenani? me/nabe/soup = scum to you. youre iffy on potato with a town alignment with a gun to your head. i need clearer stances and your slot is frustrating me cuz of how liquid you are. you come in and press a few points then bounce. when i look at most other players i at least have a good idea where theyre at but i need you to extrapolate on ****. i like how you keep noting soups bull****. i like what youre doing with nabe. weve got like 5 days to deadline (2 of those likely to go to **** due to the weekend) and you have a wide range youre aiming at. narrow it down

@ #HBC | Nabe

whys vinyl on yur ****list?

I feel like I should wait until both of us can discuss before either side of us throw down a full reads list. Seems like a lot of issues with our play so far are a side effect of the fact we've just been letting each other say whatever comes to mind when we each come to thread without touching base much in between, so this time I think I'd rather make sure we agree on things before we lay it down so it gets done right and doesn't get undercut by differences in opinion. Hopefully the other half gets here soon. (if he dawdles for longer than a day I'll probably just throw down my personal reads for the sake of time)

 

[YOLOSWAG]

oh and btw

i legitimately find vinyls active lurkin scummy at this point. like why the **** wouldnt you at least attenpt to scumhunt after 3 dayphases? i know hes got this meta but if thats the case then he can get bodied and hanged up and down this room d1 a million times fore it becomes acceptable

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@ #HBC | Laundry

wrt "marshy do you still hate me and want me dead"

i like what youve posted tho its not enough for me to call you town. its enough that i dont think id lynch you before vinyl and nabe. im waitin on shenani to respond to me/potato nabe to say more **** and for this vinyl slot to be situated (is he getting modkilled? someone replacing?) fore im really sure. part of me wants to just hardbody the **** outta nabe/vinyl back to back cuz i REALLY doubt they both are town and im fine losing if they are. current situations annoying cuz people keep flyin in a million ****ing directions bickering but i dont see enough urgency despite half the playerlist (me/potato/nabe/soup) posting lynchpools. this should change soon with some clarity regarding vinyl you and gheb making headway with nabe/potato respectively and presumably a claim from shenani but yeah

ill lynch shenani/nabe/vinyl today. theres an inactive/lurker scum and ill mow em all down just get one if i have to i dont give a ****. im just havin trouble pinpointing which slot i want most due to shenani playing at a snails place with the vinyl slots absence

That's fair, given that I have similar sentiments to you as well.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

No offense but you barely even played in that game either. It was a big part of why me and Gorf took the victory.





I feel like I should wait until both of us can discuss before either side of us throw down a full reads list. Seems like a lot of issues with our play so far are a side effect of the fact we've just been letting each other say whatever comes to mind when we each come to thread without touching base much in between, so this time I think I'd rather make sure we agree on things before we lay it down so it gets done right and doesn't get undercut by differences in opinion. Hopefully the other half gets here soon. (if he dawdles for longer than a day I'll probably just throw down my personal reads for the sake of time)

nah, put it out there, no more stalling.

 

[Shenanigenius]

ill lynch shenani/nabe/vinyl today. theres an inactive/lurker scum and ill mow em all down just get one if i have to i dont give a ****. im just havin trouble pinpointing which slot i want most due to shenani playing at a snails place with the vinyl slots absence

(I'd be lying if I said I was ecstatic about the amount of time Rake has actually taken to talk to me or we'd probably be moving a lot faster)

I can give you an abbreviated version on slots from me to speed this up as long as you understand it's only one head, and I think the Soup and Kantrip reads are mostly dependant on Rake's input.

We like Ryu and feel he's playing legit
Washed is just fine
Gheb is a bit null just because of poetry but deffo town lean
Kantrip I don't know what to say about, he's been bouncing like a yo-yo. I can't make a read but from what Rake said when he was here last it seems like he doesn't like it for personal meta reasons but is willing to let it go(?) He didn't put him in his lynch pool so I can only make assumptions.
Soup we feel like we can lose, I can't think of a good example of Soup contribution that hasn't been erased by other play
Nabe's entrance rubbed me wrong and I think we can lose him if he doesn't step up
Vinyl... is "here" and we can clearly lose him
Yolo I've been okay with because the inactive focus is necessary in this game but Rake is getting more suspicious as time goes on, he put him on his lynch list, and while I guess I wouldn't throw a fit if he was the play it seems like an inferior choice

^accurate for my head at the very least

 

[Shenanigenius]

I don't know if Vinyl is or isn't going to be replaced by the time this day ends... Kary didn't say anything about it from yesterday when I asked if he had someone lined up as far as I've seen

 

[Shenanigenius]

This isn't an answer to a question but it's damn well phrased to look like one. You don't actually explain your town-lean on me, you simply state that you don't have much ability to read me and that you know what happened. This isn't an explanation for the read at hand.

Don't play games with me, Nabe.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he was being deliberately unhelpful

 

[Shenanigenius]

This is in no way on anyone but yourself. The fact that you moved your vote is crap just as moving it onto Nabe and then saying "nonono let me do my thing" as soon as he arrives. It's not that you're doing things, it's that you're doing them badly/weirdly. On second reread, I'm tempted to give you more lenience but your slot has been entirely nebulous throughout the entire game and I don't like that fact.

Oh, it's fair. It just doesn't make wrangling this hydra any easier.

 

[Shenanigenius]

I feel like we're going to need more votes on Nabe if we're going to get anything done right now if Vinyl is going to outright refuse to play

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

We like Ryu and feel he's playing legit

oh what the actual ****

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

ruy stop liking people ****-talking vinyl and play the game

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I said I was busy today V/LA and all.

I'm home, gonna read up on this.

 

[Kantrip]

(D1, p2, 66)
You and Rake each have an unrelated conversation with the other. On Rake's side, awkwardly defensive because he doesn't know what you want or what you're getting at. On your side, frustrated because of the same. You awkwardly back down in turn (65), I assume because it became clear that this wasn't productive.

There's nothing valuable to be taken from this interaction (prior to 66 when the question was posed), and I'm not sure that pressing the point that people should react to this back-and-forth didn't stifle any workflow that might have resulted. (Kudos to Dietz expressing the same in 91.)

But when Dietz expresses Rake's same lack of understanding, you immediately start up again, which puts 65 out to pasture; you can't buy back an argument and then sell the same again. I agree with Dietz' assertion in 88 that 66 feels nervous, but I would add that the motivation for posting 66 as an explanation of your previous reasoning disappears, given you continuing to pursue the point with Dietz.

This wording strikes me as extremely off. Like, he's almost going through a narrative recapping what happened in the interaction, but he's saying it in second person to soup. I don't understand what this accomplishes or even what Nabe is getting at with this. What I'm getting from this is Nabe basically telling soup about soup's play, which doesn't accomplish anything. Does anyone else see what I'm talking about here? Like, it's weird.

(D1, p3, 86)
The sentiment of having a scumread on Soup and/or pushing such is entirely absent from the post in question (71). Soup "looking for a way out of RVS" is just an echo of Soup's own post (66) where he said he was doing exactly that, but you take the insertion of the word "safe" (innocuous) and colour 71 as a wild, "out-of-left-field" reach on a scumspect. In reality, that post doesn't bear that reading at all; you've either misread it, or you're deliberately selling it as what it's not. Ultimately I think I read you as town, in part because these are both common approaches from you as town.

It's the same thing here. Like he's talking in second person, telling people directly what they were doing and why he does or doesn't like it. Something about that method comes off as not being genuine to me.

But it provides subtext that I don't appreciate to the discussion that continues on Shen. In the next post (87), Soup revisits the "safe way to get out of RVS" comment a second time (the first time being 77), this time with connotations similar to 86, as if as "yeah, what Marshy said". And then Potassium comes with a further tack (103-4) that Soup is obviously town and Shen is "mean" scum. The tone is jokey, but he reasserts the vote in 111. At this point in the thread, I can't tell whether these are earnest points of view given the excuse they've been given.

As p4 progresses I agree with some of marshy's independent points, like 122-3 about Rake and inactive policy, but I don't think those missteps are representative of alignment or agenda. I also agree with the BSP reasoning in 133.

In 138 I get for the first time a sense that Soup is really interested in what he's saying about Shen. For one, taking it to this length as scum would constitute too much.

Skimming now.

Here his tone comes off more natural as he starts referring to people in third person. It felt more like before he wasn't trying to prove anything or direct his musings to anyone because he was just talking to the subjects of his posts.

His readlist is weird with people being scattered in the categories randomly but I can't see scum with that it's just weird.

 

[Kantrip]

Questions: if you have Rake as townlean and Dietz as null, why are we on your lynch list over Gheb?

Why is questioning Ryu bad?

And what are your feelings on the JTB wagon and toDay's input? You only talked about very early game and our stance on Ryu in the meantime

Same goes for Potato. Why is your scum reads not reflected in your lynch pool?

These questions are pretty null. I mean, they were stuff that jumped out as me as confusing and are definitely worth asking but they're also really easy questions to ask.

This from nothing?

Not from nothing. That was the read I was sitting on for a while but didn't want to out prematurely. Wanted to wait until I could feel the slot out a bit more so it would be more than a gut feel.

- This reflects an interest in post-flip reads on Soup/YOLO/Gheb, and was brought on at the same time that my read shifted. I'm not particularly comfortable with your slot being alive.

- You liked Ryu, a new player replaced in, and suddenly you disliked Ryu.

- JTB seemed to be for lack of anything else, and I think every player had a free pass voting on it. And as I said in my post, I haven't read toDay yet.

I don't really understand what you're getting at with the middle point Nabe. Is that you answering when shenan asked why is questioning Ruy bad? I'm a little lost with this response.

You serious bro? I mean I gave you a chance to say "nah that's just the short version", but if you actually think that a replacement had anything to do with the Ryu questionings after you already quoted the relevant posts: that's weak.

I find it hard to believe you're generalizing like that.

Shenan actually has a good point here. Nabe's assertion that pawn being replaced by Laundry should change anything about how shenan approaches Ruy... I don't understand that at all. Pretty dumb.

What flips from your lynch pool of Vinyl/Soup/Us would tell you if Soup/Yolo/Gheb were or weren't scum.

I'm particularly interested in your reasoning on Vinyl.

This is also a reasonable question. I find myself liking shenan more than Nabe in this reaction if only because what Nabe is saying makes no sense.

(that's a bold false statement to make by the way, personally speaking as the party in question. were you keeping track ?)

What's your read on Washed really like also? You seemed to point out his potential bad qualities pretty well when asked, but he's a town lean on your list among the other discrepancies in your list vs lynch pool already noted.

Vote: Nabe

This vote came at a weird time though. I'm not sure if it was supposed to come earlier, but the posts by Nabe it followed weren't even bad ones.

Let us do our thing and you can like or dislike it when it's over.

And this is also gross.

I don't have much ability to read Laundry. But I don't think my perception of events is wrong here, especially since I just read the whole thread today.

Nabe isn't even answering the question here. He blows it off in favour of diplomatically saying he can't read Laundry well and also saying he thinks he is right in his perception because he just freshly read the game? And his perception being that he can see all the reasons to dislike Laundry but believes he is right in having him as a town lean even though he admits he can't read him?

And then shenan's last questions are actually pretty logical things I was confused about myself as well. Again, pretty easy to ask and null overall but at least shenan made sense in this interaction.

Pretty weird from both sides, but moreso from Nabe who I found myself scratching my head at.

 

[Kantrip]

I want to like YOLO for his lynch list lining up with mine and for the thoughts and stuff he's pitching in being stuff I feel like nodding my head at but I'm just so paranoid and I know he'd definitely have no problem with bussing

could the scumteam be shenan/Nabe/Vinyl? That would be convenient and alleviate all my paranoia but I just can't help but feeling one of the townier players (YOLO/Gheb/Laundry) are scum

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That quote is a response to two separate questions. The first line is about you, the second is about Shen's Ryu read.

This isn't an answer to a question but it's damn well phrased to look like one. You don't actually explain your town-lean on me, you simply state that you don't have much ability to read me and that you know what happened. This isn't an explanation for the read at hand.

Don't play games with me, Nabe.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@ #HBC | Nabe : Why is Gheb in your scumlist?

He hasn't done anything to put pressure on players. He's been posting only occasionally, chipping in with observations.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Response to Potassium when I'm on a CPU.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I believe the only time I was voting with him was the JTB wagon. I was on it first and shenan joined at a time that I took it to be bussing and thought he was jumping on a sinking ship.
I argued with soup but that doesn't mean I think soup is scum and shenan's scumread on soup is actually something that bothers me about them, this point doesn't make sense.
And I want shenan dead before YOLO because my YOLO read is admittedly weak and based largely in paranoia. Not my fault shenan went all "yeah I agree with kantrip we should kill YOLO"

There's nothing stopping shenan from calling his mates scum to distance. I would if I were in his position right now.

What are you trying to get at with that point, Gheb?

I hate not being able to post in poetry. Why you guys gotte be so obtuse >_<

1.) You've both pushed and nudged soup Day 1. Antoine pointed it out. Who knows where that push would've let to had BSP not gotten himself modkilled.
2.) Both of you have been on the JTB wagon [plus you've been vocal about him being scum with shen]
3.) You are both having YOLO in your scumteam as well in a similar "sleeper" position within the team

What I'm getting at should be pretty clear now. Shen has been your most consistent scumread for most of the game. Did you seriously not realize yet that you've voted alongside him on the biggest wagon Day 1 [soup], the biggest wagon and successful lynch of Day 2 [JTB] and that you've essentially brought YOLO into play as a potential scumbag together toDay - after him being seen as either townie or null by the entire roster up until now? For how sure you are that he's a scumbag you surely have agreed with a lot of what he has said and done.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

He hasn't done anything to put pressure on players. He's been posting only occasionally, chipping in with observations.

This accusation is surely unjust, nothing I did deserves your mistrust
Sure I didn't "put pressure" on people but I had no influence over the previous Days ending so abrupt
Out of nowhere did JTB die last Day, too soon did BSP lose his way
And do you not agree that I've done my hardest to point out that potato and the genius are wicked and corrupt?!?

 

[Kantrip]

I hate not being able to post in poetry. Why you guys gotte be so obtuse >_<

1.) You've both pushed and nudged soup Day 1. Antoine pointed it out. Who knows where that push would've let to had BSP not gotten himself modkilled.
2.) Both of you have been on the JTB wagon [plus you've been vocal about him being scum with shen]
3.) You are both having YOLO in your scumteam as well in a similar "sleeper" position within the team

What I'm getting at should be pretty clear now. Shen has been your most consistent scumread for most of the game. Did you seriously not realize yet that you've voted alongside him on the biggest wagon Day 1 [soup], the biggest wagon and successful lynch of Day 2 [JTB] and that you've essentially brought YOLO into play as a potential scumbag together toDay - after him being seen as either townie or null by the entire roster up until now? For how sure you are that he's a scumbag you surely have agreed with a lot of what he has said and done.

The soup thing was not a push and it wasn't a vote because I thought he was scum, it was a vote because I wanted an answer to my question which if you look at the post where I voted becomes pretty damn clear. I never had intention to push soup.

shenan has not been a consistent scumread all game at all. You're wrong on this as well. As I have already said, he was town to me up until late D2 when I didn't like him jumping on the JTB wagon. It looked like bussing to me. I disliked JTB before I disliked shenan, and I disliked shenan BECAUSE he was on that wagon. Then I looked into him more and found more to dislike about him and really fleshed out my feels for that slot. People keep wrongly thinking I had a scumread on him prior to that point.

YOLO I see as a scumread I may be wrong on and might be more paranoia, and shenan agreeing with me on it isn't a concern of mine. He could be distancing from a YOLO mate, he could be agreeing because it's a scumread I have wrong and he might be pushing to lynch YOLO with my support, or he might just be agreeing for the sake of agreeing. I don't see how that should affect that fact that I think shenan is scum and should die.

 

[Kantrip]

tl;dr: Your point is bad

 

[Kantrip]

I also really don't like how Gheb keeps misconstruing and stretching a lot to fit this whole thing where he tries to put me and shenan together like he's setting up for me to get lynched on shenan's scumflip

I think I dislike Gheb more than I dislike YOLO

 

[Kantrip]

Like a common scumtell I've seen from Gheb is that he stretches points to make really reachy and bad scumreads with reasoning that isn't true. That's what is happening here with what he's trying to say about me "having a scumread on shenan all game but joining him on every wagon" which is strictly untrue

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I didn't expect you to understand where I'm coming from - that'd require the insight of a win-oriented townie, which you are not.
I expected you to accuse me of "reaching" and my case being "bad" because that's convenient to do.
I expected you to read me as scum in return for it because that keeps options and backdoors open for a scumbag.

You just gave me the textbook scum response ...