Tranquility - Game Over

[~ Gheb ~]

It's not white knighting em. I'm standing up against a lynch that WILL go through regardless of JTB's alignment because JTB is JTB. I know how he plays. Gheb knows how he plays and has said that that's the reason why the wagon is dumb, just poetically.

That I have never said! You must've misread!
As things stand my ******** friend has no warrant to be alive
Kill him if you must for it'd be fair and just
Evil or not I frankly can't tell but you won't win by letting him survive!

 

[YOLOSWAG]

gorf. your list is this

ruy/shenani as a result of scumminess

vinyl/nabe of inactivity

potato/soup of play that ebbs and flows

those tiers are your preference but in total comprise the pool with which you believe the scum to reside. im askin you to replace vinyl with jtb. thats literally it and im not even asking for your vote cuz i like your direction as it is right now. that said refer to my earlier post regarding who id be lookin at given a town jtbflip. we dont need to find the entire team today but understand were pretty much in sync with just 1 point of contention

iight time to sleep peace ******

 

[Cream Team]

i dont see how youre townreading him from any of that. literally everything you said can just as easily apply to the scumside so how youre gleaning town off of null tells is beyond me

that said this isnt going to go anywhere and we might join yall shortly. that said there IS scum between jtb/nabe/vinyl likeliness in that order

As scum, there's an aspect of motivation to seem inconspicuous. JTB literally doesn't give a ****. It's apparent. Why would a scummy that YOU SAY IS NOT DUMB play with this context of bad?

That being said I can certainly buy that scumpool... just with no particular order. No way all dem mofos be town.

This now is the other head speaking, and I just want to note that JTB's flip can pretty much go 50/50. It's either that his lack of devotion and eagerness to jump on a wagon is scummy or just genuine laziness. The fact that JTB won't even defend himself to appear inconspicuous is more indicative of genuine laziness at the moment, rather than scumminess.

Because of that, I consider shenan and red antoine to be a priority. Their VERY substantial content reads scum, and I'd definitely prefer to lynch a scum read than an inactive read at this point.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

oh and of course

@Nabe

how far are you into reading this game? how long will it take for you to catch up and say something of value? everyone wants more from your slot so dont make me go ape****

 

[Cream Team]

That I have never said! You must've misread!
As things stand my ******** friend has no warrant to be alive
Kill him if you must for it'd be fair and just
Evil or not I frankly can't tell but you won't win by letting him survive!

Oh I guess I misread or gotten thoughts mixed or something. What was that post I said I wanted to frame earlier? I remember it being exactly what I thought of JTB.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

As scum, there's an aspect of motivation to seem inconspicuous. JTB literally doesn't give a ****. It's apparent. Why would a scummy that YOU SAY IS NOT DUMB play with this context of bad?

cuz he can get away with it and hes done it before. im lookin at what hes done in this game

anyways i dont wanna lynch ruy today. i hate a lot of what that slots done but im not ****ing going into d3 with jtb/shenani/nabe all alive with a flipped town ruy id be mad as **** and i know you would as well

new page

request votecount

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Well I DEFINITELY feel good about shenan and ruy being scum.

[Level-up poetry for Gorf!]

Let the dragon roam free, he's but a weak fish in the sea
And his eyes fail him but you cannot blame the poor fish for not being an owl
For a fish is easy to catch but the owl is hard to hatch
And a fish always smells - but the words of the devil hide among the birds growl!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Oh I guess I misread or gotten thoughts mixed or something. What was that post I said I wanted to frame earlier? I remember it being exactly what I thought of JTB.

I gave you the word, you thought you heard
That from knowing the ******** friend I can tell he does fine?!
The truth is obscure and you can never be sure
You just have to decide when it's time to draw the line

 

[Shenanigenius]

I reread your interaction with Soup from D1 (literally skimmed until I saw your posts). Despite what you claim here:



it doesn't really add up with the post above. You were trying to evaluate Soup but that's not the issue I have. That post just keeps sticking out at me. Your vote stayed there the entire time, but your actions and particularly your words don't really add up. You didn't bother so much with him and you didn't really rally the pressure around him or continue to investigate that wagon. There's a significant difference between what I would expect both heads of this hydra to do (constantly scream to lynch him and say he's scum) and what you guys actually did (put a vote down, asked a few people about it, but otherwise left it alone). I was actually shocked when I was rereading earlier to find that your vote didn't come after Ruy's. I swore it had. That kinda tipped me off to everything else: you had had it there beforehand but at not one point did I really see you pressuring that slot. In short, you were holding him at arm's length and I don't particularly care for that.

vote: Shenanigenius

that and i'm still not fond of how you're like "hey i like ruy we're death bear bros we're cool oh wait laundry's asking me what's up oh uhh he's scum". one of the weirdest 180s in the game.

It doesn't add up because you're quoting two different heads of the hydra and expecting them to be one and the same. You're looking at rake being okay with it versus me not when I got a chance to come to thread. Believe it or not I said those things during catchup before seeing you ask me about him because him blowing up was really concerning to me and outside what I considered the norm. (don't pretend you weren't concerned when you read through that section where everyone screamed at each other)

As far as you expecting us to scream and yell, let me ask you a question: would you have preferred that we skewed thread by shouting nothing but death threats and not letting anyone else participate? We could've if we wanted to, but that's not in town's interest and we knew it, so we waited. If D1 had continued long enough for us to consider everyone involved enough to start pushing through lynches you might have seen some screaming, but the day (and the meta you're thinking of) ended long before that. And if that isn't good enough then all I can say is I'm sorry that we weren't more cohesive as a hydra, because this is the truth on the Soup matter to the best of my knowledge from my head. But are you honestly here to tell me you expected what Cream Team summed up as "that rake and dietz hydra omg" to be entirely congruent at all times?



FYI: Ryu's responses to my concern were genuine,you should make a note of it.

 

[Shenanigenius]

Soup can tell you how fast me vs him can get completely out of hand, I wasn't about to do that to everyone. You should be thanking me for not pressuring him as hard as possible, because all that would have done is made him crack and probably be killed before anyone could talk about it, and that's not ok

 

[Shenanigenius]

(come to think of it I probably should have checked with Rake to see if being accepting was him looking for some kind of reaction, but I know there's no way he'd want me silencing my opinions just for hydra stuff and I know I'd give him the same reign)

 

[Shenanigenius]

I should be clear tho that that's just me musing out loud, I know after talking to him yesterday that he wasn't doing anything like that

 

[Cream Team]

I gave you the word, you thought you heard
That from knowing the ******** friend I can tell he does fine?!
The truth is obscure and you can never be sure
You just have to decide when it's time to draw the line

Not even that he does fine, just that it's not really telling coming from him. After a nights sleep I can see the flaw in my (gorf's) logic in reading him town being equal to my mindset for calling marshy wrong on calling em scum. His plays just not telling.

And with that being said marshy I'm not going to white knight anymore. But it IS cool to know our reads align lol you town bruh bruh?

 

[Cream Team]

Soup can tell you how fast me vs him can get completely out of hand, I wasn't about to do that to everyone. You should be thanking me for not pressuring him as hard as possible, because all that would have done is made him crack and probably be killed before anyone could talk about it, and that's not ok

Who is this about?

 

[Cream Team]

Oh and are you still all concerned and whatnot about Ruy's play like you said you were? Don't answer this if you're going to say wasn't me it was the other head, I am directing that question at the head that said they're starting to not be so ok with Ruy.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gheb brought up an excellent point about my d2 wagon (or perhaps he highlighted it from ruy/koops). My interest resides in how it was formed.

First was ruy, then shen, then joey, then JTB.

These four slots have gotten a lot of warranted **** but call me skeptical but the whole team making a play on me right then and there seems unlikely. Ruy and shen have had this weird reationship this whole game where they solidly townread each other with some dips prevelant by shen backing off as of late. Their interactions don't read aligned. I think ruy hard-townreading his partner that wasn't justifiable is to much of a risk, especially when majority was on shen's case in the first place.

I haven't read shen as much as I want to, but is there anyone who think they both could be town?

Moving on with this, something I really want to highlight is kantplay's attitude towards me and how he handled my wagon. Remember when kantplay voted me d1? Why didn't he follow through on d2? He never had a reason to particularily get off me. Kantplay is playing less open and I get the feeling he's afraid to step on some toes. He's playing far too safe. He's one of my picks for that reason. I don't buy that he changed his style because it hasn't warranted results. He hasn't even bothered to vote anyone yet, which is telling to me because he was quick to jump on shen (a common wagon) bsp (also a common wagon) and then me late d1 when I was gtting steam.

His votes are too calculated and his reasoning isn't enough for me to believe he had a good reason for his actions.

I recall kantplay also bursting into d1 stating that shen was scum, but it never went anywhere. He just voted and sat on it, never progressing at all.

I think kantplay is the best lynch because of this, and he's who I want today. His play doesn't line up and its too shady for me to call town. I also think it will help patch things up with shen as I feel there's meat to what I said about his shen vote earlier.

vote: kantplay

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

God that was a pain to type on mobile

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If I could pick scum on my wagon I would definitely lean on jtb for obvious reasons. Its possible joey is just being lazy but there's less to really look at, which boils down whether you believe he would do that as scum or not. Nabe will be a ***** to read but its not like there's another phase that we cantjust lynch him if he doesn't get his **** together.

I can compromise on JTB if he hits majority but I would love if everyone said how they fee about kantplay and my case on him. I'm also content with shen but I would prefer the two previously mentoned for now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong regarding wagon formation on me. I couldn't be assed to go back and look at the vote-count.

 

[Shenanigenius]

Who is this about?

Talking to Washed. He seemed really concerned that we didn't attack Soup like crazy for some reason, and I'm explaining why that isn't wise

Oh and are you still all concerned and whatnot about Ruy's play like you said you were? Don't answer this if you're going to say wasn't me it was the other head, I am directing that question at the head that said they're starting to not be so ok with Ruy.

I'm feeling better after hearing him talk to me about it, it did give me a fright for a bit though

 

[Cream Team]

Talking to Washed. He seemed really concerned that we didn't attack Soup like crazy for some reason, and I'm explaining why that isn't wise



I'm feeling better after hearing him talk to me about it, it did give me a fright for a bit though

What exactly frightened you/made you feel better?

 

[Shenanigenius]

I was mostly concerned that he claimed he had a gut town read on us based solely on Rake's intent but then didn't want to talk about what that was. I don't remember who was asking him for the details, but he wasn't forthcoming on them and just said it was something he couldn't put in words (that angle is actually ok for a rake read, but not trying to even discuss it seemed bad). It seemed like the sort of thing a scumRyu might try and fake to get us in his corner, but once I came in and asked for specifics myself he was forthcoming and came up with an answer I thought was genuine.

(going into ragemode was the other thing simply because I hadn't ever seen it out of him in the past, but he came back down)

 

[Shenanigenius]

I was also kind of caught off gaurd by him classifying his interaction with Soup as trolling, but he meant what I already thought he was doing (looking for reactions) in a weird way from what he replied with

 

[Cream Team]

I was also kind of caught off gaurd by him classifying his interaction with Soup as trolling, but he meant what I already thought he was doing (looking for reactions) in a weird way from what he replied with

I was mostly concerned that he claimed he had a gut town read on us based solely on Rake's intent but then didn't want to talk about what that was. I don't remember who was asking him for the details, but he wasn't forthcoming on them and just said it was something he couldn't put in words (that angle is actually ok for a rake read, but not trying to even discuss it seemed bad). It seemed like the sort of thing a scumRyu might try and fake to get us in his corner, but once I came in and asked for specifics myself he was forthcoming and came up with an answer I thought was genuine.

(going into ragemode was the other thing simply because I hadn't ever seen it out of him in the past, but he came back down)

When exactly did you make this interaction where you got the specifics?

 

[Kantrip]

soup you're wrong I'm on JTB because his ****ty jumps from you to pawn were scummy as hell

I didn't keep pressuring you because I saw you as town and didn't need to go down that avenue any further

The initial shenana scum stuff was all jokey RVS stuff but he's scum

Will lynch JTB, Vinyl, or shenan

Nabe needs to play, if he lurks he needs to die

soup, Ruy, Gorf, Gheb, WL are town

 

[Kantrip]

almost said mean things, gonna just post this instead

vinyl can you replace out please

 

[Cream Team]

Damn everyone's town reading me I must be doing something right.

 

[Cream Team]

soup you're wrong I'm on JTB because his ****ty jumps from you to pawn were scummy as hell

I didn't keep pressuring you because I saw you as town and didn't need to go down that avenue any further

The initial shenana scum stuff was all jokey RVS stuff but he's scum

Will lynch JTB, Vinyl, or shenan

Nabe needs to play, if he lurks he needs to die

soup, Ruy, Gorf, Gheb, WL are town

:thumbsdown:

 

[Cream Team]

almost said mean things, gonna just post this instead

vinyl can you replace out please

But I mean like :thumbsup:

Vinyl you'd have much more respect from the people in this community if you didn't waste slots in mafia. I won't tell you to replace out if you aren't going to actually care about this game and SOON then please at least give us here the respect of having someone that won't just insist on catching up on their next post. If you think you're contributing you're actually an idiot. Actually. That's something I'm telling you as a person. But that's also because I doubt you think you are. And since you surely know you aren't contributing, can you have the respect for us that Joey had and just replace out? Please and thank you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I just got done with a long-ass day of work and I'm bloody tired, but I still have some things I want to do, so I'm gonna try and power through it.

I'm curious why the game decided to quiet down as of late and I'm surprised nobody has gotten at me about Kantplay, beside Kantplay himself.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup you're wrong I'm on JTB because his ****ty jumps from you to pawn were scummy as hell

I didn't keep pressuring you because I saw you as town and didn't need to go down that avenue any further

The initial shenana scum stuff was all jokey RVS stuff but he's scum

Will lynch JTB, Vinyl, or shenan

Nabe needs to play, if he lurks he needs to die

soup, Ruy, Gorf, Gheb, WL are town

Maybe that's true, but I still feel like you're not giving me enough. I looked back at how you felt about me and I recall you voting me in your #245 from some weird-ass reason, and the only one I can think of is possible pressure, because prior to that you were stating that Ruy and me was TvT. Even then, that pressure doesn't make sense. You just voted me and sat on it like usual and suddenly when the day came I was town again??? I don't want to have to guess where you're coming from but I don't understand how you're reaching conclusions here. That's a huge problem with you and right now you're adamantly sitting your vote on JTB and not really doing anything at all. I even ISO'd you to look at the content you have posted and it's very thin and a lot without explanation.

soup vs shenan early was an example, though I started getting doubt on shenan and saw it either way so I put that aside. soup town stayed
looked at vinyl early posts cuz if he's town it usually jumps out at me, saw some stuff to call him town on. not very strong but it was there
soup vs ruy interaction was a big one, got TvT and still see Town from both of you at present
JTB and pawn not SvS as an interaction, but both individually scummy

I'm not sure why you keep changing your mind and why you won't tell us why it is. I haven't seen a reason for you to flop on Vinyl. here and you suddenly want to lynch him. Yes, he's bad. I'm not saying that I wouldn't lynch him too, but I can't keep playing this guessing game with you. I don't know why you're holding back or why you're not putting in the work you should be. It's scummy.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

if we offed jtb today and he flipped town id be lookin at a pool of shenani/nabe/potato

:thumbsup:

yolo you hav a lot of swag

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

yolo if i vote jtb will you vote kantplay come tommorow

 

[YOLOSWAG]

i cant in good conscience be down with that due to prior engagements

 

[Kantrip]

soup the interaction between you and ruy looked TvT but then you started saying a bunch of **** I didn't like and went out instead of answering my question. So I sat my vote on you. Then BSP got himself modkilled and I never really got another chance to be in thread until D2. Come D2 I was reading your content and you were very townie so I didn't feel the need to pursue you. It's pretty logical don't see how you're having trouble following it

dunno what you mean about JTB. You didn't even know my vote was on him and were too lazy to check and now you think you know ****? Nope

 

[Kantrip]

I feel like all you have a problem with is the fact that I'm not being the kantplay that clogs the thread with a bunch of **** that makes no sense, and I'm instead stepping back and only posting something when I have something insightful to say, and you don't like the change.

Of all people, I didn't expect you to be voting someone for a playstyle change. still remembering awkward moments with you vs kuz

 

[Cream Team]

But it's not a playstyle change that's the problem. It's the fact that you're actually doing very little and doing so in a scummy way. In Luigi's I was a damn hippie. But I had (can't wait for the backlash from saying this) coherent thoughts, made pushes, and was actively helping town. You're actively lurking. Meet in the middle of the play you described above and the play you're try'na go for if you're town cuz soup's not gonna get that wagon going any time soon. If you're scum, well, you'll probably try to take that advice regardless cuz playing the way you're playing will get you lynched, but you'll slip regardless so it won't really matter lol.

Point is stop actively lurking.

 

[Kantrip]

actively lurked
started the biggest wagon

The lynch I want is the one that's in the works and all my reads are out there. I don't see how I'm actively lurking at all and I'm not going to change my play to accomodate someone who doesn't like it

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I feel like all you have a problem with is the fact that I'm not being the kantplay that clogs the thread with a bunch of **** that makes no sense, and I'm instead stepping back and only posting something when I have something insightful to say, and you don't like the change.

Of all people, I didn't expect you to be voting someone for a playstyle change. still remembering awkward moments with you vs kuz

No, you haven't posted anything that is hardly insightful at all. Give me more. Give me reasoning for your town-reads or your scum-reads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

But it's not a playstyle change that's the problem. It's the fact that you're actually doing very little and doing so in a scummy way. In Luigi's I was a damn hippie. But I had (can't wait for the backlash from saying this) coherent thoughts, made pushes, and was actively helping town. You're actively lurking. Meet in the middle of the play you described above and the play you're try'na go for if you're town cuz soup's not gonna get that wagon going any time soon. If you're scum, well, you'll probably try to take that advice regardless cuz playing the way you're playing will get you lynched, but you'll slip regardless so it won't really matter lol.

Point is stop actively lurking.

so basically you didn't read it

how the **** are we supposed to go anywhere in this goddamn game if you don't take a moment to read this **** because i would love some input like i even asked it but nah