~Touhou Mafia~ The Girls' Have Been Robbed - Independent Marker Victory

[Rockin]

<_< Out of all the times I've offered to have myself lynched or shot and end up getting killed, your only just NOW calling me a douche Rockin? =P

I don't think I remember you actually voting for yourself before. You was just like "KILL ME NAO" mood. As far as you getting shot, I just shrugged. lol

voting for youself to get your lynched (or any reason in general) is a sin. >>

 

[th3kuzinator]

Well we have just under three days to get a lynch in and with the inactivity that comes with independence day if we don't start the swing now we won't be able to get either lynch.

Unvote; Vote: Nix2100

Both of them need to be gone anyway and at least Rockin is finally putting up some effort.

Let's just freaking win this game already.

 

[th3kuzinator]

If Kuz wasn't cleared by a cop....He was cleared right?.....He can go to >_> I dislike it when strong players last near end game and imo Kuz is pretty strong

So your reasoning is that because I'm still alive I can go?

I'm not frozenflame.

But thanks for the compliment.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nix at L-1 bee tee doubleyou

Once Laundry gets caught up I would be fine with hammar.

 

[Rockin]

I still do not see the logic of a Nix lynch.

Asdioh shot Nix

Nix is still alive.

Asdioh lost his bullet power

Nix claimed BP, and there's a Mafia BP dead.

wtf people? ><;

 

[th3kuzinator]

The only two people who could possibly be scum at this point are you and Nix.

People are being stubborn about not wanting to lynch you for whatever reason so this is the second best option.

 

[Asdioh]

So your reasoning is that because I'm still alive I can go?

I'm not frozenflame.

But thanks for the compliment.

someone needs to give me a history lesson on FF. I haven't played with him but I've seen he posts intelligent-looking walls of text, even outisde of mafia games

The only two people who could possibly be scum at this point are you and Nix.

People are being stubborn about not wanting to lynch you for whatever reason so this is the second best option.

Is it really that simple? I hope so.

Unless Zen is some kind of

ahh never mind

 

[Asdioh]

oh that's right.
This question is directed mostly at Kuz:

I plan on rereading this game, to an extent, today I think. I want to look at connections mafia made/connections made to mafia. What should I be looking for, exactly?
/badatscumhunting

 

[th3kuzinator]

People the mafia either had not connections with or mentioned out of nowhere on something trivial that looks like a namedrop.

That and if they were calling someone town for bull**** reasoning or if they call someone scum (particularly in a group of other people) yet never seem to push them or acknowledge that they are on that persons scum list. I'd do ISOs of Gord and Joey honestly. OS will be much harder to crack.

Having someone constantly at null is also a good place for scumbuddies to hide.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Though, tbh, I don't see the need to re-read since we know scum is one of Nix or Rockin.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Kuz, I dislike your claim. Marisa's not clairvoyant, she's a human who had to learn her magic, and in many games she's called the "Ordinary Magician". You also have this way of claiming that Asdioh talked about, where you come off just sounding scummy. And I'm kind of bugged by you claiming a tracker-like when JTB was already a full-fledged tracker. But your claim does provide leeway in that perhaps Mentos can do his warlocking magic from home. And you've still got the cop clear, which can't be explained away by backup shenanigans or otherwise.

In the setup, I actually like your role and it balances nicely. As Ryker just told us, he randomizes all night actions that he doesn't receive, meaning that all PRs (and the SK) that can leave the house in a Night will. Meanwhile, roles like Smargaret, Zen, the masons, and apparently Mentos appear at home, as well as the Stump and some nights, the Godfather or whoever's not making the kill. So your claimed role is really a pseudo-role cop that provides rewards. "Rewards" are nebulous but with the other flips we've seen, this makes sense, a lot of sense.

If this is a fakeclaim, it's pretty great. I think that if you had made this up with what I've just said in mind, you'd have mentioned Smarg and Zen etc. and how it makes sense for your role to be in this game, defensively. Instead, I think it looks like you had no idea about these implications of your role, which makes me think it's the truth.

What was your plan coming into the game with this role? Can you talk a little more about why you chose the people you did; say Mentos D3, was he scummy to you? Etc.

As for play alone, I don't think Nix is scum. I already pretty much told you why he wasn't indy (and why mafia bp roleblocker is BS) and you remember overswarm's play like D2? He wanted Nix dead so bad its not even funny. Told Soup to shoot him every other post and I don't think OS would have done that to his scummate.

Unless OS knew Nix was BP and would therefore be fine. Which your clear of Asdioh makes a valid option to you, certainly.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I still do not see the logic of a Nix lynch.

Asdioh shot Nix

Nix is still alive.

Asdioh lost his bullet power

Nix claimed BP, and there's a Mafia BP dead.

wtf people? ><;

A tree stump is BP, but only by necessity. Stumps don't count towards majorities after stumping. The BP and unlynchability simply ensures that the stump can stick around to annoy people or in the case of a mafia tree stump, cause WIFOM.

The argument for mafia having a BP actually does revolve around the stump, in that the stump stumping means that the somewhat small mafia has one less member. And what many people are forgetting is that we're not looking for a roleblocker, but a backup, because the witch/RB combo couldn't possibly exist. BP backup might make sense in a 4-man group with two indies they had to tackle, it's a strong role that makes up for the faults of a small team with a stump. It's also hilarious to the hosts if the backup acquires stump.

As for the Nix lynch, Rockin, largely it's process of elimination, of course coupled with poor play. As I've voiced to you already, there is strong reason to believe there's a roleblocker. I've shown why it should be one of you/Rockin/Zen, and Kuz has shown why it's not Zen assuming one scum remaining. If you think there's no roleblocker, then first of all, you should account for our SK not killing. Meanwhile, you might give us an answer for how Kuz appeared innocent to a day cop. Clarify: do you think he's mafia or indy?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

For the record, I would love to lynch Rockin. I've wanted his hide all game, and his play toDay in accusing WL, then Kuz, then harping on Nix for self-voting -- bluh. Nix could be very much sincere in wanting to die.

Nix lynch is obviously fine as well and I'll hammer that all Day erry Day.

 

[Asdioh]

And I'm kind of bugged by you claiming a tracker-like when JTB was already a full-fledged tracker.

I definitely noticed this as well. And then of course forgot to say anything about it, possibly because saying so wouldn't change anything.

As Ryker just told us, he randomizes all night actions that he doesn't receive, meaning that all PRs (and the SK) that can leave the house in a Night will.

As I've asked and proven, you can choose No Action. Just saying.

And what many people are forgetting is that we're not looking for a roleblocker, but a backup, because the witch/RB combo couldn't possibly exist.

For the record, I would love to lynch Rockin. I've wanted his hide all game, and his play toDay in accusing WL, then Kuz, then harping on Nix for self-voting -- bluh. Nix could be very much sincere in wanting to die.

Nix lynch is obviously fine as well and I'll hammer that all Day erry Day.

The only reason we changed from Rockin is because of something to do with Kuz's claim, right? /forgot

 

[Asdioh]

I finally get to see Nabe's flavor/setup speculation in action :D

 

[th3kuzinator]

Yeah. It's just kind of creepy that Ryker doesn't even do votecounts or anything but responded to that o_o

but yeah lynching nix? kuz wanted him gone forever ago but I don't know how I feel about BP mafia that apparently is a roleblocker.

but hey if you want to, whatever.

unvote
Vote: Nix2100

._.

This is why you changed from Rockin haha

 

[Asdioh]

but in retrospect, what if he was the BP backup?
or maybe 1-shot BP backup?

or the PB backup?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

rockin seems more self-preserving than him though

 

[th3kuzinator]

What was your plan coming into the game with this role? Can you talk a little more about why you chose the people you did; say Mentos D3, was he scummy to you? Etc.

I had no plan at first. I only even got into the game in the middle of D2 I think which by then I was able to formulate something of worth.

I knew OS was another player in this game besides myself who could pull of elaborate fake claims if he needed to and I actually had a scum read on him D1 before Gorf flipped. I wanted to get a result on him early so that if he tried to fabricate something down the line I could catch him from something he did early on.

Zen claimed vanilla D2 so it was a no-brainer that targeting him n2 could possible give us an Scum if he wasn't telling the truth.

I liked OS's post on mentos at the time (this was before OS flipped) and indeed I thought mentos was scummy that Day. N3 seemed like a good option. Too bad his unlynchable lined up with the result I got.

Sold softclaimed that he had some good PR so hard on D4 that the wagon swung off him for whatever reason. Definitely wanted to check that out (tbh that was one of the reasons I wanted to lynch him so bad from there on. I thought he was softclaiming something like cop or another powerful visiting PR and when I saw he was home that Night I thought he had lied or something). Turns out I was right for the wrong reasoning.

N5 was checking WL's claim. I don't really know what I expected there but I was getting lazy because we hadn't lynched scum in so long that I actually just got bored of the game.

N6 was doing exactly what I was hoping to do. I knew by numbers there would probably be only one mafia left and that someone who could have been home previously had to be away from home that Night. At the time I thought that person was Zen because of his play and the fact that I thought giving a mafia member the info that there were no vanillas in the game was a good idea. I knew that would be a perfect time to catch him in the act. Looks like he's legit, however.

N7 was again another idk moment. I was curious as to why WL was in fact not dead after claiming a protective role for so long and now that Sold was dead I thought he would logically be the next person in line to be roleblocked, which I think he was.

 

[th3kuzinator]

but in retrospect, what if he was the BP backup?
or maybe 1-shot BP backup?

or the PB backup?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

rockin seems more self-preserving than him though

I would be glad as **** to switch back to Rockin this instant but we have around 2.5 days to get a lynch through and I'm making sure we have enough people to dogpile one of them by deadline.

If me u nabe and seph (if nabe makes seph) switch soon, I think we can get the hammer from someone. But we gotta decide now. I don't trust the activity.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I still do not see the logic of a Nix lynch.

Asdioh shot Nix

Nix is still alive.

Asdioh lost his bullet power

Nix claimed BP, and there's a Mafia BP dead.

wtf people? ><;

Tree Stump=/=BP

Also, he claimed BP. I expected a limited number of shots. There is, in fact, no limited number of shots. Whether or not Stew was lying about Soup shooting Nix, Nix confirmed he has an unlimited number of shots. Let me actually, y'know, catch up, and then I'mma hammering because armors are one of my policy lynches.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh crap, that vote didn't work

Vote: Washed Laundry

there we go



Nah, not yet.

It was Washed Laundry

Let me say this politely: You're an idiot.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Mentosman8, Yuyuko, the Independent Warlock, has been night killed.

Deadline is set for 7/7/2011 at midnight.

Welp. This confirms that:
Asdioh is not scum
I was right that Mentos was both scum and not Mafia
Scum are smart enough to do my work for me.

I dunno if I overtly mentioned this yesterday but I think I said that I was planning on taking Mentos to MyLo and lynching him again to see if I could do it.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Nix2100 - Confirmed BP and there is already a BP mafia flipped. That alone makes him not mafia and now we know he's not indy because of the two indy flips. This makes him town. Even if this were not the case, a bulletproof mafia roleblocker is proposterous, even for Ryker.

>There's already a mafia BP flipped
Unless AA was quite literally the armor variety, there's no way a mafia bp flipped considering 2/3 were nkilled.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

anyway I protected Kuz last Night and my protect is now gone FINALLY! <3 Thanks WL for not targeting me.

But I kinda...did.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh well, still confirms Asdioh is not scum but way more confirmation that there's another roleblocker.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

My claim has nothing to do with WL. But I don't want him to have the opportunity to make something up.

When I claim, if it has something to do with WL, or could have been affected by what WL's said in any way whatsoever, then by all means, you can lynch me on the spot.

So yeah. I'd like WL's target.

Because you roleblocked me?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

And you're confirmed town as in masons, not neighbors right?

Well ****. There's no way there are two scum left on the mafia team (ryker if you're looking at this and laughing at me because you made a 5man mafia team, I hate you).

5 scum+2 indies. We'd have been in LyLo d1.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Wait. Wait wait wait wait wait wait.

The last scum is Zen or Rockin. Unless Nix is somehow both Armor and Roleblocker. But I doubt that at this point. He's confirmed to be an armor. There's confirmed to be a roleblocker. But I really don't think he's both, so as annoyed as I am at the potential of leaving Nix's inactive *** with the scummy role alive, I don't think he's both. Just one or the other.

vote: Rockin

Zen follows if Rockin flips town.

 

[Asdioh]

tell me when you're done reading!

nice avatar btw

 

[th3kuzinator]

Yeah read everything first.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Highly unlikely to budge on this unless Nix decided to strap his pants around his head and take a jog around the yard.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Don't think there's a roleblocker.

Bull**** .

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Bleh, not really. No one else has claimed to have been roleblocked except Sold. I think he just said that so as to try and confuse town.

Hi, I was roleblocked last night because Asidoh somehow got his doc shot off.

 

[Asdioh]

btw laundry we think there might be a backup curse goddess, since that was the first mafia to die.

since you're not there yet.

gj nabe

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

wgat

aren't curses supposedly permanent throughout the game, regardless of the witch's status as dead or alive? I mean, that explains why Stew had been roleblocked together all these times in a row.

 

[Asdioh]

wgat

aren't curses supposedly permanent throughout the game, regardless of the witch's status as dead or alive? I mean, that explains why Stew had been roleblocked together all these times in a row.

Yeah.

...

but... that means both you and Sold, and possibly others such as myself, were blocked, right? I mean, nobody ever protected Gova or Jailed me from when i tried to kill him on night 3, did they?

Gord was the curse dude, and died N1. Soooo....

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

He probably cursed Stew and then died. Probably. Not saying this with any sort of validity, and if he had a limited number of shots, maybe not at all. I'm not a betting man, but if Gorf targeted anyone N1, it was the second soldier.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm not making any of this up. I've always said Zen was town but never really substantiated it until now. This is why. This is also why I came into toDay trusting WL completely.

I was wondering where the sudden flip from voicing suspicions and wanting my death, even if only minor, to complete trust came from.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Read up to this page, kinda skimmed the rest.

Not moving my vote. You've said yourself that you think a BP Roleblocker is BS, Kuz. The answer is plain as day that Nix would be a BP roleblocker if he were the last scum. Act on your damn beliefs like you've done all game. Rockin is the last scum, I've been saying it for the longest ****ing time. If the game somehow does not end when he gets lynched, we lynch Nix tomorrow and Zen the next day.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Wait, isn't a warlock a roleblocker?

Hmmmm