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th3kuzinator

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If you didn't get a message why are you assuming you were RBd?

Did you get a message back saying it was successful N1?
 

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...Soup...its called Final Exams >_> You know, the big major tests that count for like 35% of your grade? I think those are a bit more important then the mafia game >_>
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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@kuz yes i did.

that's why i assumed. i know it's DERP to not mention this now but i forgot about it but then i remembered how crucial that could be.

makes sense for me to roleblocked anyway, >.>
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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EBWOP: i recieved a message on a successful night action N1, i did not recieve a message if it was successful or un-successful N2.

derp.
 

th3kuzinator

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So on N1 you got a message back saying your action was successful but it did not inform you why action you used.

And on N2 you didn't get anything back...?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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correct. :urg:

sorry i forgot about it, i've been focusing on dexter
 

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*slams head against the wall*

This reads like a saturday morning cartoon. One guy just keeps giving tidbits of information and everyone else has to DRAG IT OUT OF HIM.

whereisrockin
 

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It's irrelevant information imo. If he was roleblocked, he should've been sent a message saying his action was unsuccessful, I doubt the mod would leave it up to the player to decide if they were rb'ed or not.

Just PM the mod and find out.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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k that works.

@OS

i feel your pain because D2 really ****ed up what i was gonna have going. :urg:
 

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It's irrelevant information imo. If he was roleblocked, he should've been sent a message saying his action was unsuccessful, I doubt the mod would leave it up to the player to decide if they were rb'ed or not.

Just PM the mod and find out.
 

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Do you really think stuff like this is going to stop me from pushing you?
I don't understand the question.

I understand that and I know what you're implying by it. However, do you not agree that line of thinking is anti-town? I honestly don't really care about your supposed personal vendetta against me these last few pages so don't bother using it as a response.
Yes, lynching you would probably be anti-town, since you got a cop clear.
But lynching people who aren't my scumreads isn't always anti-town. Again, apples v.s. fruits.

You are either insinuating that they're SvS because of scum distancing or if Rockin is scum, Zen is town because Rockin would not have forgotten to mention him if they were mates. As I have said, I have town reads on them both and the lack of interaction does not bother me in the slightest. Why beat around the bush?
"Beating around the bush" doesn't help anybody who wants to know what you think.

Kuz, do you actually read Nabe as scum?
This seems an extremely bizarre question coming from AA given his experience with the game.
 

th3kuzinator

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I don't understand the question.
It was a rhetorical one.

Yes, lynching you would probably be anti-town, since you got a cop clear.

But lynching people who aren't my scumreads isn't always anti-town. Again, apples v.s. fruits.
How is pushing someone that is not your scumpick more pro-town than pushing someone who is? You say that both Gova and Sold are useless, but you have expressed intent to target Sold for some time now and suddenly flip to Gova once the oppertunity presents itself.

"Beating around the bush" doesn't help anybody who wants to know what you think.
So now that you know what I think, I want to know what you think about Zen & Rockin.

This seems an extremely bizarre question coming from AA given his experience with the game.
Agreed.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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how would you feel about me targeting either nix or aa?

i didn't like joey's slot in the beginning, whom he replaced, and i wouldn't care for him to die, same goes with nix.
 

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My preferred scenario would be to have Sold lynched toDay and have Nix/Mentos/AA shot toNight.

If sold flips scum I want to look at Nabe more toMorrow.
 

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Why would you ever try to lynch someone you don't think is a scumread or a liability? Why would you ever put your vote on them beyond having to for the sake of having a lynch? Tell me all the situations, Naybor.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Well kuz, i am glad you agree with me Sold being plausible scum, perhaps i will present a case on that.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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kuz, when do you think it will be the best time to start picking off inactives, tommorow?

thought i would get some questions out while you're here.
 

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The only reason I am pushing to keep your indy *** alive is because I want you to pick off the scummy inactives for us. So during the Night would be my answer.
 

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I dislike Kuz's plan of "killing inactives". It's inherently anti-town since scum are rarely inactive. Especially when people are openly stating "let's kill inactives" and sending a crazed gambling vigilante to kill them every Night.

Know what else I dislike? 50/50 chances where a non compulsive serial killer can say "I tried to kill him, but it didn't work".

Or hell, if they have a mafia member with an extra 50/50 kill, that'd be even worse.

Fact of the matter is, we don't know what Soup can do. It's one thing killing Nix; I'm perfectly fine with that and he, so graciously, has volunteered. But picking off inactive townies? That's not conducive to success. Killing scum is, and you're gambling when you're killing inactives one by one. One, maybe two, inactive kills isn't too bad... but the advantage town gains from even having two extra townies at the end of the game is phenominal. The less kills there are, the more control town has.

Soup, you're still targetting Nix if the Day suddenly ends prior to a town decision.
 

th3kuzinator

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Scummy inactives, OS. Scummy inactives.

I know that you believe that scum is rarely inactive and I have to say, I disagree with that. Inactivity happens plenty of times on both sides of the spectrum and it really just depends on the player.

That said, I am not championing going around killing just any inactive. I think Nix/Mentos are scum and I think AA is beginning to lean that way.

Soup's existence does not bother me that much at this point. Yeah he can claim at any time his kill just didn't work, but he already DID kill Gordito, a mafia member. If he had not, I agree I would not have wanted him around because he could just have said "Oh it didn't work" anytime we asked him to target his scummate. I doubt he's mafia, though, so I am not worried about him lying about his success to save someone else. If he's indy he'll do what we say just to survive. If we see anything fishy, we'll take him out.
 

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Scummy inactives, OS. Scummy inactives.
There's no ****ing such thing as a scummy inactive. They're inactive because they aren't posting.

I know that you believe that scum is rarely inactive and I have to say, I disagree with that. Inactivity happens plenty of times on both sides of the spectrum and it really just depends on the player.
This is incorrect nine times out of ten. Yes, there can be an inactive scum player. But very rarely are they actually inactive. You'll see lurking scum players. There's a difference. They'll pop in to post at opportune times, not opst in this game but post elsewhere. That kind of thing.

That said, I am not championing going around killing just any inactive. I think Nix/Mentos are scum and I think AA is beginning to lean that way.
Oh? Why? You forgot to make a case on the three names you just dropped, one of which has replaced in and made all of two posts.

Soup's existence does not bother me that much at this point. Yeah he can claim at any time his kill just didn't work, but he already DID kill Gordito, a mafia member. If he had not, I agree I would not have wanted him around because he could just have said "Oh it didn't work" anytime we asked him to target his scummate. I doubt he's mafia, though, so I am not worried about him lying about his success to save someone else. If he's indy he'll do what we say just to survive. If we see anything fishy, we'll take him out.
We don't know if there's more than one mafia faction. We don't know if there's an indy pair. We don't know anything about his alignment OR the possibilities of it.


I can agree with directing Soup momentarily, but he needs to die either today or tomorrow.

Fact of the matter is, we have a game where virtually everyone is some sort of power role and killing off people that aren't posting much doesn't mean we aren't hurting town. I don't know what roles they have, but I'd rather not just start killing them off just because we have the ability.

When the only tool you've got is a hammer everything looks like a nail, right?



Rockin, content plox.
 

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There's no ****ing such thing as a scummy inactive. They're inactive because they aren't posting.
Of course there are such things as scummy inactives. Not all inactives are scummy and a player can be inactive and post in a townie manner. Them being inactive is anti-town in itself, but its not scummy. Of course, there are players who are so inactive where their slots can't be anything but null, but there are other levels of inactivity where you can judge their alignment by.

This is incorrect nine times out of ten. Yes, there can be an inactive scum player. But very rarely are they actually inactive. You'll see lurking scum players. There's a difference. They'll pop in to post at opportune times, not opst in this game but post elsewhere. That kind of thing.
Not true, especially on this site. Scum players can sometimes spread themselves too thin by participating in too many games and thus not have enough time to read and dedicate to this game. I have personally seen plenty of examples of this. The majority of time inactive scum will be lurking, yes, but its not a vast one.

Oh? Why? You forgot to make a case on the three names you just dropped, one of which has replaced in and made all of two posts.
Nabe picked up on the thing I didn't like about AA. I have briefly touched on Nix and Mentos because of his posts wrt J's claim Smarg's claim and the long post you brought up. I'll bring them up once we get closer to deciding our lynch.

We don't know if there's more than one mafia faction. We don't know if there's an indy pair. We don't know anything about his alignment OR the possibilities of it.
I thought of this too, which is why I wanted him to forever target Nix while he was still alive. If Nix is still alive by D5, Soup should be taken out.

I can agree with directing Soup momentarily, but he needs to die either today or tomorrow.
Agreed he needs to die soon. ToDay is not what I had in mind.

Fact of the matter is, we have a game where virtually everyone is some sort of power role and killing off people that aren't posting much doesn't mean we aren't hurting town. I don't know what roles they have, but I'd rather not just start killing them off just because we have the ability.

When the only tool you've got is a hammer everything looks like a nail, right?
I see your point wrt to them not claiming. As you've said, Nix and AA have so graciously volunteered, though, so I think we have some use for our Soup yet.


Rockin, content plox.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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i'll make a deal with you:

If you allow me to use my ability ON MY CHOICE and i get a scum, then i survive the next day.
if i get a town, then i die the nexy day.

make the stakes higher for me, i will gaurantee you another scum night shot, and if i fail, i will let you lynch me an even advocate it.

sound fair?
 

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My preferred scenario would be to have Sold lynched toDay and have Nix/Mentos/AA shot toNight.

If sold flips scum I want to look at Nabe more toMorrow.
I pretty much agree with this. Let's get a move on.

I dislike Kuz's plan of "killing inactives". It's inherently anti-town since scum are rarely inactive.
But they could be, and how are you going to decide their alignment otherwise, if they're simply not here?

*looks at Pizza mafia*
 

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i'll make a deal with you:

If you allow me to use my ability ON MY CHOICE and i get a scum, then i survive the next day.
if i get a town, then i die the nexy day.

make the stakes higher for me, i will gaurantee you another scum night shot, and if i fail, i will let you lynch me an even advocate it.

sound fair?
And if your action fails/protects again?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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also, regarding the inactive issue, i agree and disagree with both kuz and OS.

I agree with OS that inactives are always not scum, some are just inactive town, and furthermore, inactive PR's.

Inactive shots should only be green lighted when town has no leads or people are failing to cooperate, this is not the case now, and that's why i was asking kuz when he wanted me to start targeting them.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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@Kuz

if i protect and the result ends a no kill who is also town, i survive.
if i fail and the action results in the death of my target and flips town, i die.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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i will tell you who i am targetting that night, also, it may be on my choice, but i will still tell the town who i am targeting, and i will not lie about that.
 

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Bleh this game is hard to read... D3 and we're debating... If there's such a thing as scummy inactives>_>

Soup, your plan to pick someone of your choice doesn't help us whatsoever. We already KNOW you aren't the mafia. Why? You killed Gord and were uncounterclaimed. Saying "If I kill a scum I get to live" is exactly the situation you're in RIGHT NOW. You listen to town, and probably soon it will be decided to remove the risk of your role from the game. If you listen to us until then, you've done your job.

I don't hold any of the cop investigations, or the no kill last night, with more than a grain of salt. As usual, inno's must be taken that way, and while I lean BP stop for the lack of a kill, we also have two people who have claimed PR's protecting them last night so we can't even deduce who would be cleared.

On to talk about something that actually matters instead of ranting about how much of a waste the day has been so far. I'm currently wanting a Sold lynch. This is mostly because he has not been active, and when he has posted admitted that he has skipped part of the game at times, and at others skimmed. Really out of everyone left, he seems the best target for a lynch today. All the other inactives, myself included, seem to at least be willing to read the whole game, he doesn't.

So yeah, Sold lynch my top choice for the day, and if not, probably Nabe.
 

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Actually I take that back, I will not be posting today, but most certainly tomorrow, or I'll replace out like a wimp.

I missed my bus and am at a friend's house, then when I get home I have other things to be doing =r.
 

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As weird as it sounds, I don't want you to kill Soup toDay. From the way both Nights have gone so far I am going to assume there are only going to be 2 NKs a Night barring some JoaT who hasn't used his yet (ohi asdioh).

Because Soup claimed he shot Gordito he is obviously not mafia. I was thinking earlier that we should definitely kill him (as he was leaning indy) but I thought about it and realized that if he unconditionally follows what town wants (in terms of targeting) I don't mind him removing further questionable players for us. If we have him going into the Night with the goal of shooting a mafia player, scum may actually roleblock or kill him for us out of necessity.

At the very least scum waste a roleblock or a kill on Soup and we get an extra shot at hitting mafia toDay.
And I don't want to lynch WL either.
You seem to really don't understand that Soup can't really choose. It all comes down to it being a lottery. Nothing else. We can try and use him, but his role isn't as much of a boon as we want it to be.

Not to mention that, again, he is plain ol scummy.

@Rockin - Was that the one where the SK ended up winning and my long post I had on what this other dude was mafia and not me ended up not getting read at all? >_> Yea, thanks for reminding me of that....Totally pissed me off -_-
Sowwie Nix. :3

My promises of activity mean jack-all right now since they haven't held up before. I'll apologise for that, though my apologies mean only slightly more than my promises. I will attempt to engage in the game from now.

I'm wondering about why Nabe suddenly mentioned Gova as opposed to pushing Sold, who he had called scummy and has now acknowledged as just-as-useless. I won't blindly parrot arguments that Kuz has already given...

Kuz, do you actually read Nabe as scum?

I also note Kuz's viewpoint on Soup. He has a useful role if directed properly. While he is uncontrollable and is forced to take action every night. I can see why Kuz wants him alive and have no objections to either his continued existence or his lynching today. You can push him on me if Rockin doesn't lynch him, I deserve it.

Additionally, I felt bad vibes from Nix as I read through...I can't actually put my finger down on it, it's just...ugh, disregard this, to be continued IF I can find legitimate things to question.
Aussie, good of you to finally post. I like for you to keep onto that and try and catch up ASAP.



But you volunteered. It's your turn until there's a bullet in the chamber, or WE decide there's someone else.

That said, I really want this day to get moving. Not having any votes and a Rockin that has "already made his decision" but hasn't told us anything means we're at a standstill.

Rockin, you hold the dice to start asking pointed questions or just get on with it and lynch who you've decided.
I tried to ask 'pointed questions,' as well as trying to get inactives to start posting and putting up content.

Also calm down, I was posting yesterday. LOL

Agreed Rockin needs to get more on top of toDay.
In anycase, I think I'm done for today. No one else I see right now are legitimately scummy, and I havn't seen a convincing reason other then 'gut feelings.'

Lynch: Soupamario
 

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Ugh, did we have to go into a Soup lynch so quick?
 

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*comes into thread*
*sees something about a Soup lynch*

o_o

*reads now*
 

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Rockin, I had a town read on you, wth was that? :/
No debating AT ALL just "let's kill Soup kbye"
@Asdioh: Shoot Nix if Soup flips town. If not, shoot sold.
I'll strongly consider it. Like I said, I'll reread.

Asdioh, if you can somehow bring back used up JOAT abilities, let us know.
Maybe if I bargain with the mod? :awesome:
Other than that, no I can't.
 
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