Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. A lot of the time people just go for any lynch just because they aren't lynched themselves.
My biggest complaint with town is how easily they let immediate circumstances dictate their actions.
Nix said:
You have information....why in the world are you waiting until day 2? You said it yourself there's no guarantee that you will live until Day 2...wait, let me refresh your memory....
OS said:
I have reads. Reads and information are different, and I don't intend to spoil your dinner.
I was attacked for this stuff all game, and it was a
perfectly legitimate thing for me to do. You guys made it sooooooooooooooooooooo easy to waste time. Read the quick topic and half the early posts are me giggling about how much time is wasted.
Hypothetical scenario, town.
Let's say your Dad is getting you a christmas present and you want to know what it is. You're sure it's either a bike or a video game.
If he walks in and says "I got your Christmas present today", saying "What is it tell me tell me tell me" won't help you. Ever. He's trolling you by saying "I know what your present is and you do not".
The CORRECT way to get information from him is to look him in the eyes and say "Is it a bike?" and gauge his reaction to determine what your present most likely is.
All I had to do to not say anything all day and not be pressured all day was say "I have stuff I'm going to say toMorrow". For the rest of the Day, any interactions with me were a bunch of people saying "come on, tell us! I'm sure it'll be cool!" and me just saying "Nope!"
If it's not enough to lynch someone for, it's not enough to focus on someone for. Change lanes when stuff like that happens. I had zero legitimacy on D1, and the pressure for me to "post the content" I had claimed to have on D2 allowed me to make a few big posts on D2 and suddenly I'm a trustworthy fella. That's ********.
Side note, this is my favorite post ever:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12606676&postcount=750
OS in QT said:
I still don't understand why people can read my posts, react in an obvious way, and not assume that's what I was planning from the getgo.
Seriously.
OS in QT said:
It's funny, beacuse if someone just suddenly daykilled me not a single person would realize "oh, none of the scum are posting today" and OS was a deliberate lightning rod.
OS in QT said:
The setup shouldn't be too hard. This'll be an avalanche game, just stay out of the way of the avalanche and town will cannibalize itself.
Night actions were much better than Town's Day actions, that's for sure.
Rockin said:
OS - why the hell was you buddying me/trying to make me look good? XD
Because I was planning on dying soon, and you would be easy enough to use as a pawn if I stumped. You make so few posts and are such an easy target for noob town that I could basically use any post you make as a point of attack against someone else late game, and it'd appear to come from both of us. But more the "I was planning to die" thing, and you already had attention on you.
OS in QT said:
A Rockin lynch would be helpful to us, but I'd rather him stay around for manipulation purposes. He's gonna be my stump partner later in the game if he stays alive :B
It worked, too, kinda. You can see that most people only talked about the people I had already set up for them to talk about; no discussion about my scummates all day. This worked for waaaaaaaay longer than it should have. Nothing but Mentos and Rockin discussion until D4 XD
Kuz at start of D2 said:
And by multiple people insisting do you mean Overswarm? There was a pretty big following for the Rockin wagon until OS stepped in and told everyone to back the **** off.
@ mod
OS in QT said:
While chaotic stuff like me being NKilled or investigated can happen, eh. We can't stop that and I'm not about to stump on fear. Plus, if I die everyone will get a lot of really stupid and fake information because I barely talked about you and haven't mentioned Zen or Joey... or a lot of others.
This is why I didn't stump, if I hadn't answered that yet. Not enough scum members for me to be worthwhile. If I was a BP Treestump it'd work, but other than that? Not really possible to prevent Night Actions. Optimal play says "play crazy until you need to stump during the Day" and just ignore Night Action possibilities, while planning on leaving a few false leads if you do die via NA.
After Gord died immediately (fuuuuuuuuck) the game was basically over; my plan would still work for a few phases, but it couldn't win us the game. Zen's epic play almost brought us in, but that was more to town being bad rather than Zen being a savant.
Scum 101:
OS said:
Talkers:
7.) Rockin (when prompted, easy enough)
9.) Asdioh
10.) Nabe
13.) Th3Kuzinator
16.) J
Fake Talkers:
8.) Swiss
17.) Gova
Quiet:
2.) Sold2
5.) Nix2100
11.) JTB
15.) Mentosman8
Other / Unknown:
3.) WashedLaundry
12.) Smargaret
18.) Soupamario
Talkers can be lead. Fake Talkers can be ignored. Quiet players can be ignored by bringing up some other subject; those players in the quiet category are most powerful when town doesn't seem to have a purpose. If those people will do anything, it'll probably be immediately after a lynch or after a day starts (or potentially a tree stump moment).
Don't bus, we don't know the numbers of the game yet. Don't even bring attention to each other.
The level of skill in this game is pretty low. No one here other than me, Rockin, Nabe, and sometimes Swiss when he's being active can really be considered a "planner" or have an attention span long enough to pick out things from a previous Day phase on a whim. We won't be surprised by anything.
If scum flips, there's gonna be about two people who want to kill the person they are closest to, and won't base it off anything else. Town will take things at face value with minimal pushing, so we don't need to use all our muscle and we don't need to condemn one another. Stay off each other's backs, at least early on. Consider anyone questioning you about a scummate as if they will do whatever you say, so if someone says "do you think gordito is scummy" your answer isn't even "no". It's completely ignoring that question until it is no longer relevant or a more vague-sounding answer like "not really, he hasn't done too much that has really caught my attention". Anything that people can't skim and catch as a "stance".
Assuming night actions don't kill us and we don't have a
strong indie [
]this shouldn't be a hard game to play.
I think the majority of the above held true for most of this game, from what I read. It was all kneejerk reactions, every day was nearly a fresh slate. How kuz survived after his flip flopping and claim I will never know.
This was rambly and I'm sleepy from seeing HPotter at midnight so I don't know if any of this made sense
but in the future
if someone isn't giving you information
don't say "give us information"
ask them a specific question
and garrote them if they don't answer specifically
