Ok, so here I go with my thoughts on the couple pages I missed while at work...
First of all, my suspicion of Marshy has been quelled a bit since he explained himself. The vote itself wasn't that scummy, but the lack of explanation of any sort shot flares. With his later explanation of himself, and more thought out posts, I'm going to
Unvote.
Now, on to other matters.
Not as hesitant to lynch in other words.
Chaco, this has been said, but his lesser reluctance to voting can easily stem from his experience in AIM based mafia. I know there's a blatant difference in play between real-time mafia games and forum based games, so I won't hold it against him unless it becomes something major.
Lol, and inactive day at the beach produces suspicion on me and then clears itself out. Yay! :3
But just to say that I did back myself up: I'm a very, very, very newbish player, but I still think that your logic for my "scumminess" is crap. Placing a vote for a no lynch was a simple yet newbish opinion, but you're saying that when I unvoted after arguments against it were brought up, that was a scummy move? :'[ that makes me cry. I really just didn't see the point in pushing for something that no one would support.
I'm using the "I'm a newb 'card'," because I'm a newb. I've only played in Eor's Hellhouse, this, and one game which is still running at Mafiascum. It's a genuine john...if there is such a thing.
I really don't like these posts. egruntz seems to REALLY be pushing the fact that he's a newb. In fact, it seems that that is the strongest attempt at a defense he has made. Being a newb isn't a defense, and shouldn't be repeatedly stated as one. Just because you're a newb doesn't mean you waive the need to defend yourself with your thought processes and logic.
So stinger, you are saying it's okay to vote on little or no evidence? Your playstyle seems to be suggesting that. Yes, you have to vote to win. But misvote, we mislynch, and we lose. Bandwagon votes are dangerous. Not saying you jumped on the bandwagon, but an indy and the two mafia jump on that bandwagon and we have ourselves a lynch (or very close to one).
Jungle raises a good point here. In a game this small, if we have a serial killer, the votes can be swayed severely by those who aren't town. Just remember, if we do have an indy role in this game, two misplaced townies voting means the non-town roles can cause a lynch starting tomorrow. Not as big an issue today, but moving forward be careful about mounting votes up on someone, as it doesn't take much to lynch.
What do you mean little or no evidence? It's Day 1. It's impossible for any power role to have gained any information yet (besides silly roles like Day Cop) and you need to act based on your own instincts. As far as I'm concerned, Marshy just buying into my reasoning with absolutely no explanation was a stupidly scummy thing to do. There is no excuse for Marshy blindly following me like that when, as you say, I have no proof. If he had posted some of his own reasoning as well, I would've been a lot more accepting of it.
You can't be afraid to vote assuming that the person you're voting might be Town because then you will never get anywhere and the game will really only be played at night. Playing a game only at night is probably the stupidest thing a town can do. Lynching leads to discussion, which leads to more lynching. It's a cycle that is favorable to town, because the only real power that the Town collectively holds is the ability to lynch. It is something that must be used often, not saved for special occasions. If you think someone is mafia, then LYNCH THEM!
I flat out don't like this post. It embodies the common misconception that day one is just a completely random lynch because "omg prs have no info how are we supposed to have evidence for lynches!?!?" Also, Marshy has since explained his vote, and his reasoning given was solid enough. And as for the second paragraph, a townie should ALWAYS be afraid to vote assuming their target is town. Yes, lynching leads to discussion, but mislynching steps closer to a mafia victory. If you don't have strong reasoning and a good lynch choice, those are the kind of situations when a no lynch is more beneficial.
The only person on Marshy besides me is mentosman. I never joined any bandwagon, I simply voted of my own accord. Marshy made a scummy vote, so I voted for him. I don't know why you keep pressing that point, it's pretty **** obvious why I voted for him, and it's not to "follow a bandwagon". I think you're just repeating what other people are saying about me because you have no real clue what's going on and you want to seem useful.
egruntz has a point on you here though stingers. After I argued your vote on him, you quite easily switched to Marshy. More importantly, you did so with a vote that was pretty much as much of a bandwagon, and nearly as unexplained as the one you were voting Marshy over. Long story short, you say it's obvious why you voted for him, but when you voted you didn't explain it at all, doing the same thing you were essentially joining with me to call Marshy out on.
personally i don't find stingers suspicious. in retrospect my post was suspicious and i think his vote was justified. plus i've agreed with a lot of what he's said. i think most people are being way too sensitive about throwing out votes on people who you think are suspicious. how is doing that a bad thing at all? you know what people have been thinking and that's something to work with. in fact i think town would have a much easier time if they voted who they thought was suspicious more often. it's easier to make judgments on people and gets discussion flowing. at the moment i feel him, egruntz and mentos all mean well
and mentos and stingers are free to respond to this themselves, but i think there's some miscommunication? i don't think him and mentos were rallying for everyone to lynch me immediately in case anyone thinks that's the case. they think i'm the most suspicious person because of that and they'll change their vote if something more damning pops up i imagine. i bring this up because i don't think stingers is nearly as suspicious as chaco, egruntz, and jungle seem to and think the way stingers has been playing is something that should be encouraged instead of discouraged. that is, being active and voicing your suspicions
First of all, Marshy, use some capitalization please, kinda hard to read
Anyway, to the first part of this post, I do agree that it helps when people vote their suspicion, but did you not notice that stingers did the SAME thing I was calling you out on when he voted you? I don't necessarily think he's mafia, but the fact that I call you out for voting with no explanation, and he does nearly the same thing to you definitely raises some suspicion.
To the second part, you're exactly right Marshy. I didn't even expect a second vote, I was just voting you to pressure you to start posting, then to give some substance to your posts. There's nothing that's been done yet that would make me inclined to push a lynch on you, I just wanted to get you posting your thoughts up since the one time I've played a game with you where you didn't, you turned out to be Voldemort, and I'm not going to let you coast along like that again, since the only reason I didn't care then was that I knew I could win with either side and didn't want the game to end before I did^.^
This kinda stood out to me. Being somewhat in the crowd doesn't make you anymore right or make a statement truth. 3 mafia members can all accuse someone, and then a town can agree, but it doesn't make it true (or vice versa). Being with the crowd isn't always a good thing. If you see something different, say it. You might call out a mafia. If you die, what you said might have more weight.
This is true. If you agree with something, state it so we know where you stand, but always be looking for something new. Being in the majority doesn't mean you're right, if it did there would be no such thing as a mislynch.
Ok, now that my wall of quotes is done, a couple things.
@Marshy: You've told us stingers doesn't jump out at you, is there anyone who does? Who DO you suspect right now, and why?(The second part of this question applies to everyone really, but Marshy has yet to point out any suspicions so I chose to direct the comment at him.)
@Chaco: Ok, so you don't think there's enough backing to lynch anyone yet, is there anything that even slightly causes question to you? Just because there's not enough backing to lynch someone doesn't mean there's nothing worth posting... Let's hear your thoughts!
@egruntz: Nice to see you posting your thoughts a bit more, but I want to ask, is the fact that you're a newb your best defense against the accusations on you?
@Kev, Rockin, Yaya: Get yourselves in here and give us some thoughts! Cutting some slack for 4th of July weekend, but let's hear what you've got to say, I'm interested in all 3 of your opinions.
That's all I've got right now, I'm sure I'll have something more to say when more discussion comes
