Top 5 smash64 players (Online only)

[hamburglar]

Top 5 is a silly concept but some players that deserve recognition as skilled on galaxy...

HAMMERHEART
Sheer
craigg
Zenyore
A$

those are the ones i have played relatively frequently online.

my internet has been terrible lately and I don't feel like asking my 4 housemates to stop downloading porn and seasons of Lost so i can play smash but hopefully i'll be online more in the summer before i head to japan.


top 5 japanese online players to look forward to playing?

Red Mario?
MEGU?
Sima?
moyashi?
others??
Does Prince still play?

 

[NixxxoN]

mad-fighter hates delay, I dont think americans can play him at his best unless its on an euro server

About japanese players, they play a different version of the game that's actually easier to do lot of stuff, gotta see them play the common NTSC version of ssb to compare

 

[hamburglar]

^ it is also more difficult to do other stuff (ledge di), but yea linking combos is much easier with some characters (mario uair chains)

just by watching video's and streamed tournies, i don't think it is too hard to judge skill level in the japanese version

 

[T1g3rbombz]

what bout top 5 for console?!!? can you guys decide that? lol food for thought

 

[NixxxoN]

what bout top 5 for console?!!? can you guys decide that? lol food for thought

who knows, there are lots of console players that we dont even know. I have 2 friends that are really good but never played online.

 

[SheerMadness]

Well if they want the true Yoshi experience tell them to come play me.

It would probably be 5 frames p2p. 6 frames tops.

 

[MATTS!]

We all know whos top in this game. Let me expose the true list, and malva agrees also.

Here it is(ONLINE):

1. MATTS!
2. malva
3. JaimeHR
4. Not Froggy
5. Johnny
6. Sensei
7. superboomfan
8. Holybec
9. dannySSB
10. A$
11. Alpha CL
12. Fireblaster
13. YBOMBB
14. Kabal
15. Nintendude1189


The Correct list. ^^^ Thank you for WATCHING.


The Great MATTS!

 

[DMoogle]

Nobody counts you, MATTS!, because it's a given that you're the greatest.

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

Online games suck. They don't count because they are not real.. so how can you make a list of this piece of .... ? lol . Jk =) .

 

[malva00]

Alancitu is not kidding lol

 

[SheerMadness]

Online smash is legit.

Thumbs down to the 2 posts above me.

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

Alancitu is not kidding lol

haha you're right .. To be honest I dislike online matches but I'm not trying to cause a flame fest with my opinion. Whatever enjoy your lives =P

 

[Lovage]

i agree with alancitu

 

[SheerMadness]

I'm pretty much a pure online player, since I really don't have anyone to console with.

I'm willing to be theres very few, if any pure console players out there that would beat me more on console than I would beat them.

My skills acquired purely from online play > their pure console skills.

Yah I just called you out console noobs.

 

[malva00]

SheerMadness with his pointless points

only way you could make a semi-accurate online ranking is if everyone played against everyone with the same delay

even then, nothing else other than console rankings matter

even so, you're better off putting online players into tiers rather than assigning them to individual numbers (since everyone doesn't play everyone at the same delay)

and I think the online tiers have already been done before in another topic, but they could be updated for fun

 

[Lawrencelot]

The best smasher I played with is Jaime, I can believe the top3 is malva-boom-jaime, no one else can own me as much as he did. Dannyssb for example plays like jaime, but i still beat him with a lot of delay. People like fireblaster are around my level, same counts for craiigg and mad-fighter and a whole lot of american players. There are a number of american players who are better than me, but I haven't met anyone who is like a whole skill level above me, except for jaime. So I agree that you can't say much after the top3

 

[hamburglar]

haha you're right .. To be honest I dislike online matches but I'm not trying to cause a flame fest with my opinion. Whatever enjoy your lives =P

i thought you recently retired

 

[Stormcrow2]

Online smash is legit.

Thumbs down to the 2 posts above me.

Agree x 50

I have gotten so much better after starting to play smash online for maybe a year or so. I was ok at console way back in the day when I'd play smash with my friends, but it got to the point where I didn't have any tough matchups in real life, and especially now that people rarely play their old consoles. Where am I going to play smash on console? I could either drive for hours just to play against a competitve console player, or I can go online and find good players almost instantly.

I've gotten better by playing people online that are better than me... and I have busted out my console recently, and my skills I've learned online transfer right over; it's not that much different. If someone had about the same level of skills on console as I do online, I'd play just as well on console. Especially since I've gotten my adapter and been using the n64 controller.

 

[StealthECartman]

Isai and Alancitu were just saying that the less delay, the better. Also that you can't play at your best when you're getting 3 or 5 frames of delay...you just can't react as fact, nor can you perform as intricate movements as you could on console. If everyone were used to console instead of the delay online, everyone's skill would increase over time and nobody would have to suffer from having more delay than their opponent.

 

[NixxxoN]

Isai and Alancitu were just saying that the less delay, the better. Also that you can't play at your best when you're getting 3 or 5 frames of delay...you just can't react as fact, nor can you perform as intricate movements as you could on console. If everyone were used to console instead of the delay online, everyone's skill would increase over time and nobody would have to suffer from having more delay than their opponent.

Lagless 3 frames or lower is still very good.
Those "online sucks console rules complaints" sound like "I fail to do as good as on console" johns to me.

 

[StealthECartman]

Lagless 3 frames or lower is still very good.
Those "online sucks console rules complaints" sound like "I fail to do as good as on console" johns to me.

It's not a john, it's a fact...no delay means better reaction time and more intricacy in following your opponent's DI for the next move in a combo, etc. (thinking like fox with his quick turning jabs and tilts for example)

 

[NovaSmash]

We all know whos top in this game. Let me expose the true list, and malva agrees also.

Here it is(ONLINE):

1. MATTS!
2. malva
3. JaimeHR
4. Not Froggy
5. Johnny
6. Sensei
7. superboomfan
8. Holybec
9. dannySSB
10. A$
11. Alpha CL
12. Fireblaster
13. YBOMBB
14. Kabal
15. Nintendude1189


The Correct list. ^^^ Thank you for WATCHING.


The Great MATTS!

since ur the best online and ive beat u, u have to consider me one of the best players online too right? I've also beat kabal's ****ty samus and Danny SSB's DK and he quit on the last stock. Also Johnny is a psycho who talks about how much % of brain power u need to be good at smash

 

[StealthECartman]

since ur the best online and ive beat u, u have to consider me one of the best players online too right? I've also beat kabal's ****ty samus and Danny SSB's DK and he quit on the last stock. Also Johnny is a psycho who talks about how much % of brain power u need to be good at smash

Everyone knows this list is secretly just 15 MATTS!, of course you're not on it.

 

[SheerMadness]

I'm just tired of hearing people say stuff like "online smash doesn't count".

And it's very easy to use myself as an example to debunk that.

99.9% of the ssb64 I've played has been online. If online smash meant nothing then I'd get owned by any decent console player if I were to play them on console right? No, that simply isn't the case. And I'd bet on myself over any console player who's never played extensively online.

Which to me makes it seem like online skills > console skills.

Let's use a quick example. Who do you guys take if SheerMadness were to play maltfox, who as far as we know has never played online.

Do you take maltfox, whos very likely never played a Yoshi who can do 1/2 the things I can do OR do you take SheerMadness who's played vs top online players of each character for the past 4 years?

Or what about Lovage vs SheerMadness? Haha I just wanted to call out the resident ssb64 troll.

And don't mistake this as me trying to sound arrogant or something.

 

[MATTS!]

I'm just tired of hearing people say stuff like "online smash doesn't count".

And it's very easy to use myself as an example to debunk that.

99.9% of the ssb64 I've played has been online. If online smash meant nothing then I'd get owned by any decent console player if I were to play them on console right? No, that simply isn't the case. And I'd bet on myself over any console player who's never played extensively online.

Which to me makes it seem like online skills > console skills.

Let's use a quick example. Who do you guys take if SheerMadness were to play maltfox, who as far as we know has never played online.

Do you take maltfox, whos very likely never played a Yoshi who can do 1/2 the things I can do OR do you take SheerMadness who's played vs top online players of each character for the past 4 years?

Or what about Lovage vs SheerMadness? Haha I just wanted to call out the resident ssb64 troll.

And don't mistake this as me trying to sound arrogant or something.

Your ULTRA dumb sheer. ONLINE smash is a joke. THERE is delay, which means it's not 100% accurate. You can't put anybody anywhere in rankings when it comes to online smash. The game skips, lags, doesn't even run 100% on the emulator, etc.. One little spike, or frame problem in the game online can result in a different outcome.

If you wanna know who the TRUE gods are in smash 64, we all need to play each other on the game system, and we will see who comes out on top.


ONLINE smash is 100% FAKE.

CONSOLE smash is 100% REAL.


We play online for fun and entertainment. If you take online smash seriously, your dumb as sh.it.

The only thing you can take from online to the game system, is peoples gameplay. Thats it.


Get it right nubs.

The Great MATTS!

 

[Darth Rancorous]

Online smash is legit.

Thumbs down to the 2 posts above me.

How do you expect to get isai to go to G.A.M.M.E. if you keep talkin trash about him lol

I'm willing to be theres very few, if any pure console players out there that would beat me more on console than I would beat them.

My skills acquired purely from online play > their pure console skills.

Yah I just called you out console noobs.

Im a pure console player, however, i do think you can prolly take me sheer. I would like to see u go up against tigerbombz tho (who to my knowledge mostly plays console now)

Where am I going to play smash on console? I could either drive for hours just to play against a competitve console player, or I can go online and find good players almost instantly.

just move to norcal and u can play a handful of great players within a 45mi?? radius

Your ULTRA dumb sheer. ONLINE smash is a joke. THERE is delay, which means it's not 100% accurate. You can't put anybody anywhere in rankings when it comes to online smash. The game skips, lags, doesn't even run 100% on the emulator, etc.. One little spike, or frame problem in the game online can result in a different outcome.

If you wanna know who the TRUE gods are in smash 64, we all need to play each other on the game system, and we will see who comes out on top.


ONLINE smash is 100% FAKE.

CONSOLE smash is 100% REAL.


We play online for fun and entertainment. If you take online smash seriously, your dumb as sh.it.

The only thing you can take from online to the game system, is peoples gameplay. Thats it.


Get it right nubs.

The Great MATTS!

the great MATTS! has spoken lol

edit: actually, theres prolly around 10-15 great players that i know that live in norcal. not all of them play competitively tho

 

[ballin4life]

Obviously online skill and console skill are highly correlated. I don't think that's what people are talking about when they say online doesn't count. It's mostly to emphasize that console is a lot better than online. Even looking at youtube videos you can see the difference in speed and precision between a console match and an online match.

When skill levels are somewhat close, it's much more difficult to judge skill when people are playing with different delays or one player is used to playing on console with no delay. Playing with lag changes the game.

This is true for all games, and it's why tournaments are almost always held in person.

I play online occasionally but it's really hard because I'm not used to the delay at all. I wouldn't want to be judged only by my online skills when I can't do half the stuff online that I can do on console. Of course living on the west coast and only playing in Galaxy 64 on 7+ frames might have something to do with that.

 

[malva00]

How do you expect to get isai to go to G.A.M.M.E. if you keep talkin trash about him lol

wtf you talking about Ryan and I are buddies

 

[SheerMadness]

Just sayin, anyone who says online doesn't count should come play me.

I pretty much ONLY play online.

Then we'll see if they still think online doesn't count.

 

[malva00]

SheerMadness with more pointless points

who is saying that online doesn't contribute to ssb skill?

the only thing people are saying is that online doesn't show a player's full ssb skill

therefore, if alancitu says "online doesn't count," he means "online doesn't make accurate comparisons between two players' ssb skills"

 

[SheerMadness]

Well then they should say that.

Because saying "online doesn't count" infers that online smash is meaningless in terms of skill.

Maybe malva and alancitu should try typing what they really mean instead of just saying "online doesn't count" which comes off as bashing online play.

I am a product of online ssb64 so by bashing that you're bashing me. Which is why I get tired of posts like "online is dumb" or "online doesn't mean anything" or "online doesn't count" etc etc.

And online ssb64 CAN show a players actual skill level, as it does with me since I almost entirely play online but can exhibit the same skill level the rare times I play on console.

 

[DMoogle]

Let's use a quick example. Who do you guys take if SheerMadness were to play maltfox, who as far as we know has never played online.

Do you take maltfox, whos very likely never played a Yoshi who can do 1/2 the things I can do OR do you take SheerMadness who's played vs top online players of each character for the past 4 years?

That's funny, that's the exact person I was thinking about. Question: the last time you played on console, had you been playing online extensively before that? I ask because when I first played on console after only playing online for a long time (this was back when everyone used Good connection, so I was used to a consistent 5 frames), the lack of delay disorientated me and it took a few days to adapt. So, assuming it takes you some time to adapt, I think Maltfox would have the advantage during this time. However, after that it's really hard to say. From what I've seen, he probably has better fundamentals, but I think it will come down to how quickly he can adapt, because your point about him probably never having played vs. someone who uses Yoshi like you is a strong point.

Im a pure console player, however, i do think you can prolly take me sheer. I would like to see u go up against tigerbombz tho (who to my knowledge mostly plays console now)

IIRC, Tigerbombz used to play a LOT online.

Well then they should say that.

Because saying "online doesn't count" infers that online smash is meaningless in terms of skill.

Maybe malva and alancitu should try typing what they really mean instead of just saying "online doesn't count" which comes off as bashing online play.

I am a product of online ssb64 so by bashing that you're bashing me. Which is why I get tired of posts like "online is dumb" or "online doesn't mean anything" or "online doesn't count" etc etc.

This.

 

[SheerMadness]

Parrying is the only thing that takes me more than 5-10 matches to get used to when I switch from online to console.

 

[malva00]

And online ssb64 CAN show a players actual skill level, as it does with me since I almost entirely play online but can exhibit the same skill level the rare times I play on console.

sure it almost can, if a kirby n00b only forward smashes on the n64, he'll do fine just forward smashing online

It depends on how good you actually are. your skill level at 3 frames is not very impressive, so I do not blame you if you find no significant difference between your skill level online and on console.

the majority of north american players are lacking in the ssb skill department as well

you don't see BOOM coming on here defending your position on online's ability to show a player's true ssb skill

 

[Stormcrow2]

Sheer made his good point even stronger. Anyone saying online is garbage is just being stupid, because:

What would you do if smash 64 wasn't playable online? You'd be waiting around for rare tournaments and good people to play against, and in the meantime you'd be playing against level 9 computers when you feel like smashing. How fun is that?

Online smash kept the competitive smash 64 scene ALIVE. A lot of the same people get on to play alomst every day, and there are a wide variety of players with different levels of skill and styles of play.

A 3-frame, lagless game is hardly noticably different than playing on console. And there's no freaking way you'd notice a difference while playing p2p with someone and only 1 frame of delay.

If online didn't exist, I would be a terrible player compared to any level of skill competitive players because I would have nobody to ever play on console.

 

[malva00]

who is saying online shouldn't exist?

or that is a waste of time? Actually, alancitu might say this one (not the first)

therefore, please direct any posts explaining the importance of online to alancitu alone, so he can p2p with me on saturdays again XD. otherwise, you're talking to thin air

 

[SheerMadness]

Woah now buddy theres no need to bash my skill level just because you disagree with my point. That's not very nice.

No need to bash the rest of North America either. So you and Boom are the only North Americans who aren't lacking in the skill department?

 

[malva00]

No need to bash the rest of North America either. So you and Boom are the only North Americans who aren't lacking in the skill department?

Who knows. I don't have a list.

And how is that bashing? That's pretty much what I think is preventing most people from seeing the real difference between online and console. I say most because Cartman isn't the best player around, but he still understands the difference.

 

[ballin4life]

A 3-frame, lagless game is hardly noticably different than playing on console. And there's no freaking way you'd notice a difference while playing p2p with someone and only 1 frame of delay.

lolwut

You can definitely tell a difference.

 

[SmashThugZ]

You know what we should do?
We should reverse the way things are
Let's move Galaxy64 to the West coast so the East coasters can see what delay I have to deal with while playing online.

Of course it's easy to say this:

A 3-frame, lagless game is hardly noticably different than playing on console. And there's no freaking way you'd notice a difference while playing p2p with someone and only 1 frame of delay.

But whilst that statement is utterly false, you should take into consideration some people, like myself, play online with 100+ ping. That would mean what, 9 frames delay?

People who've only played online wouldn't be able to know the difference more than people who've played both off and online.
It's also entirely false to say online play doesn't contribute to skill, but I'm sure that's not what the people who said "Online doesn't count" meant.

Notice how it's the people who get 3-5 frames arguing only.
I'd imagine if you were playing with 7-9 frames, you wouldn't be so strongly arguing against console play.

And, I don't think too many people know about this, but it's a lot harder for a 9 frame person to play against a 4 frame person online because of the input delay.
I see an attack coming towards me, but I cannot react as I normally would be able to on console because it takes 100 milliseconds for the server to do what I pressed on the controller.
Because of that, I have to try to think 2 moves ahead, instead of just 1.

There's nothing wrong with online play, but you just can't depend on it to decide who's "the best," simply because no one is ever on the same playing field due to delay, lag, and all those other things that online play has.