I've never seen that type of executioner, ever. I've only seen the one TBG implied, about 3 times in total over the years. The one you say you've seen was probably in a bad and nonstandard game, because being the hammer (and the fact that the hammer will be prior to lynch majority) means you will almost definitely be caught. Can you cite any examples?
I gave that post the same consideration back when but if I'd lynch TBG for anything it'd be the fact that he came in on the tail end of two lynches and that this was always the only time where he would post real, true content. That's something that hit me when FML got voted by TBG... this was right around when I was getting townvibes from Rake and willing to write off Orbo's stupid thing as scrubtown blunder. That push to me and OS was all about finding the hopalongs and TBG was one of 'em.
But TBG's logic for the FML vote (and, later, Gheb) was... actually decent. By hopalong status it's legendary good. I don't really get town vibes from that, though. It shows that the only time he felt the need to step up his content and efforts was when 1) A townie was about to die 2) His vote would help seal the deal. Really does have the vibe of someone that knows they're going to be scrutinized for this late vote later on due to the inevitable townflip. Gross.
I really wish Gheb wasn't such an egotistical toolbox. If he didn't have this complex where he's somehow immune to scrutiny and anyone with the nerve to exercise some in his direction must be evil scum 5evar OS and I might have been able to get the town read (or at least the "don't lynch him today") read and go elsewhere... and elsewhere, in my book, was TBG. So, yeah, I'm tipping this [unsurprising] card, but TBG is one of my oldest scumreads.
With that said, I have some reservations...
TBG: I don't get you, man. You johns up a storm about how the game feels like work and not a game, and I get that, I've been there. But you ... refuse to reread the game do anything to obtain any reads at all. All you want to do is answer direct questions, or however you phrased it on the last page. But, uh... how are you going to answer them if you have no actual reads and aren't going to do things to obtain reads?
I worry that TBG might seem too good to be true. It wouldn't be the first time really bad play combined with a player that by intelligence alone should do better lined up perfectly with a scum narrative. I recall a BRoom game I played. I was a D1 replacement, and I then stepped up and we bodied scum aw yea #hbc. It was neat. However amidst all that, there were two people defending him... one of them with really really awful points and really strong about defending him, and the other doing it in a footsie kinda "I'm not gonna OUTRIGHT say I'm defending him" while also kind of pushing me for bad points. Points I couldn't do anything about, either, as they were directed at the guy I replaced, and he offered nothing else about my own play.
This looked like the most obvious scumteam EVER. EVER. And yet somehow both were town. It looked perfect, it looked sealed up, and it survived peer review, but they were town. I worry about that everytime the answer to something seems too apparent, and that is plaguing all of my scumreads at the moment because if we make even one misstep I worry the whole rabbit hole of this game will close up around us. 8 people alive, right? If this really is a nightkill-less game for mafia by way of Raz's role (or anythign else) I would be shocked if we're not dealing with four mafia, meaning 3 are still alive. Even if it's just 2 we've got a likely indy -- whom I'm going to refer to as Kira from now on and so should all of you -- which puts us in a ****ty situation tomorrow with a ML.
I don't consider TBG likely town at all, but I worry about it. That's what I'm sayin'. Little things like that he actually does have a reason that stands up to some amount of scrutiny when he votes for people niggle at me, as does the true fact of his vote placement being bad form for an executioner. The fact that no one seems to disagree on it and that TBG is a really easy target, and yet the only good stance some people are offering. Which leads me to my next point...
I worry that if TBG even IS scum, he may be eating a bus, and a poor one at that. I worry that we may have higher priorities and do more damage to scum if we can hit a different member of the team. Looking at toDay if TBG is mafia he's obviously considered completely expendable. Yes, nabbing a bad guy is the endgoal of any lynch, but bear with me here.
If TBG is mafia and we have 3 mafiats left, that takes us to 2 of 7. That's a likely 4 townies and 1 indy (Kira). Basically we've got one number up on the bad guys in grand total, which probably means we're good to go for toMorrow. If they have some kind of night action trump card to all this, however, we're in a ****ty as **** situation. It could be as simple as "Raz is scum trying to do RadFic bull****" and they nightkill someone. That would give us... even money with the bad guys, 1 up on mafia. Tomorrow's daykill hits town and, well...
This makes me think 2 mafia is more likely, but things like this plague me badly. Ever since I played Mafia All-Stars I have vowed to never, ever ever ever make assumptions about the set-up and let the game hinge on them. I want to do more damage to the mafia than take out their expended executioner, which is surely what TBG most likely is if he's mafia when all's said and done. This is bolstered by the possibility that Raziek really is legit, which means Ryker created Toonami Almost-Mafia, after personally experiencing the nightmare that was Lost Almost-Mafia (mafia had no kills, it was a disaster). This would mean Ryker designed it to actually WORK in an at least SOMEWHAT balanced way, unlike Tandora's clusterf*** of power roles and **** amidst a nonkilling mafia. This would include very powerful bad guy roles. Ones we want to hit hard and hit soon.
Don't think I'm tipping whom I think the other bad guys are yet. Suffice to say I don't like how long my suspect list is or that I'd honestly like to just grab one or two townreads and have everyone else spontaneously drop dead. This is where I'm at though and if we can ****ing get some more out of the peanut gallery that would be pretty nice.
I gave that post the same consideration back when but if I'd lynch TBG for anything it'd be the fact that he came in on the tail end of two lynches and that this was always the only time where he would post real, true content. That's something that hit me when FML got voted by TBG... this was right around when I was getting townvibes from Rake and willing to write off Orbo's stupid thing as scrubtown blunder. That push to me and OS was all about finding the hopalongs and TBG was one of 'em.
But TBG's logic for the FML vote (and, later, Gheb) was... actually decent. By hopalong status it's legendary good. I don't really get town vibes from that, though. It shows that the only time he felt the need to step up his content and efforts was when 1) A townie was about to die 2) His vote would help seal the deal. Really does have the vibe of someone that knows they're going to be scrutinized for this late vote later on due to the inevitable townflip. Gross.
I really wish Gheb wasn't such an egotistical toolbox. If he didn't have this complex where he's somehow immune to scrutiny and anyone with the nerve to exercise some in his direction must be evil scum 5evar OS and I might have been able to get the town read (or at least the "don't lynch him today") read and go elsewhere... and elsewhere, in my book, was TBG. So, yeah, I'm tipping this [unsurprising] card, but TBG is one of my oldest scumreads.
With that said, I have some reservations...
TBG: I don't get you, man. You johns up a storm about how the game feels like work and not a game, and I get that, I've been there. But you ... refuse to reread the game do anything to obtain any reads at all. All you want to do is answer direct questions, or however you phrased it on the last page. But, uh... how are you going to answer them if you have no actual reads and aren't going to do things to obtain reads?
A few things. And I'm prepared to tip another card.Soup said:
I worry that TBG might seem too good to be true. It wouldn't be the first time really bad play combined with a player that by intelligence alone should do better lined up perfectly with a scum narrative. I recall a BRoom game I played. I was a D1 replacement, and I then stepped up and we bodied scum aw yea #hbc. It was neat. However amidst all that, there were two people defending him... one of them with really really awful points and really strong about defending him, and the other doing it in a footsie kinda "I'm not gonna OUTRIGHT say I'm defending him" while also kind of pushing me for bad points. Points I couldn't do anything about, either, as they were directed at the guy I replaced, and he offered nothing else about my own play.
This looked like the most obvious scumteam EVER. EVER. And yet somehow both were town. It looked perfect, it looked sealed up, and it survived peer review, but they were town. I worry about that everytime the answer to something seems too apparent, and that is plaguing all of my scumreads at the moment because if we make even one misstep I worry the whole rabbit hole of this game will close up around us. 8 people alive, right? If this really is a nightkill-less game for mafia by way of Raz's role (or anythign else) I would be shocked if we're not dealing with four mafia, meaning 3 are still alive. Even if it's just 2 we've got a likely indy -- whom I'm going to refer to as Kira from now on and so should all of you -- which puts us in a ****ty situation tomorrow with a ML.
I don't consider TBG likely town at all, but I worry about it. That's what I'm sayin'. Little things like that he actually does have a reason that stands up to some amount of scrutiny when he votes for people niggle at me, as does the true fact of his vote placement being bad form for an executioner. The fact that no one seems to disagree on it and that TBG is a really easy target, and yet the only good stance some people are offering. Which leads me to my next point...
I worry that if TBG even IS scum, he may be eating a bus, and a poor one at that. I worry that we may have higher priorities and do more damage to scum if we can hit a different member of the team. Looking at toDay if TBG is mafia he's obviously considered completely expendable. Yes, nabbing a bad guy is the endgoal of any lynch, but bear with me here.
If TBG is mafia and we have 3 mafiats left, that takes us to 2 of 7. That's a likely 4 townies and 1 indy (Kira). Basically we've got one number up on the bad guys in grand total, which probably means we're good to go for toMorrow. If they have some kind of night action trump card to all this, however, we're in a ****ty as **** situation. It could be as simple as "Raz is scum trying to do RadFic bull****" and they nightkill someone. That would give us... even money with the bad guys, 1 up on mafia. Tomorrow's daykill hits town and, well...
This makes me think 2 mafia is more likely, but things like this plague me badly. Ever since I played Mafia All-Stars I have vowed to never, ever ever ever make assumptions about the set-up and let the game hinge on them. I want to do more damage to the mafia than take out their expended executioner, which is surely what TBG most likely is if he's mafia when all's said and done. This is bolstered by the possibility that Raziek really is legit, which means Ryker created Toonami Almost-Mafia, after personally experiencing the nightmare that was Lost Almost-Mafia (mafia had no kills, it was a disaster). This would mean Ryker designed it to actually WORK in an at least SOMEWHAT balanced way, unlike Tandora's clusterf*** of power roles and **** amidst a nonkilling mafia. This would include very powerful bad guy roles. Ones we want to hit hard and hit soon.
Don't think I'm tipping whom I think the other bad guys are yet. Suffice to say I don't like how long my suspect list is or that I'd honestly like to just grab one or two townreads and have everyone else spontaneously drop dead. This is where I'm at though and if we can ****ing get some more out of the peanut gallery that would be pretty nice.
