Toonami Mafia - Adult Swim Edition - The sun has risen!

[KevinM]

I'm actually pretty ok with a soup lynch after rereading.

I just don't see any reason to go on PJB.. anyone down with that?

 

[TBG]

I'm reading soup as scum. But I think I always read soup as scum so it's not particularly strong. Soup, when's the last time I read you as town?

TGB is scum because he told us how his executioner role worked while trying to explain why he wasn't executioner, so like LOL

I've only ever seen one variant of executioner. You PM the mod when someone's at half the votes required for lock, and they get lynched on the spot. Are there others?

 

[Gova]

3. Asdioh ()
4. asianaussie/BSL ()
7. KevinM ()
8. TBG ()
9. Ranmaru ()
10. Soup ()
11. L (EEOS) ()
12. Raziek ()​

Not voting: Asdioh, #hashtagswag, KevinM, TBG, Ranmaru, Soup, L, Raziek​

With 8 playing it takes 5 to lynch!​

Deadline is Sunday March 3rd at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6)!​

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I've been procrasinating responding to you .L-, but it seems that nobody gives a damn either way. Don't worry, I'll get to it right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Something I want to get out of the way is this assumption that I was 'going after' PJB. This is ludicrous. Stating a dislike of someone or their actions doesn't imply that you're set on lynching them. A vote would be a more telling way of doing it, but did you notice a lack of one? How about the fact that I was questioning him? I even correctly pinned his intention to dislike me, and I didn't even scumread him.

Disliking an action from a person =/= Disliking a person.

I feel the same goes for a certain someone else, but we'll get to that.

P.S Kevin you coming back here saying you re-read and being okay with me is a bunch of ****. Tell the audience what tipped you off about me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Reasons PJB Was Obvtown:

Okay, this should be interesting. I don't understand why you needed to write this all out but I'm not going to deny it if you're going somewhere with this.

L's pushes are the ones that ended in lynch death, fyi

Sure? You started the FML business and Gheb kinda got himself lynched. Huh. Something just came to me. Thinking back on the FML wagon, who was the scum executioner voting him? I can wait for your answer.

-Initial Gheb push. Why do you cast zero doubt on Raziek for the same notion? Are you seriously putting that much stock in his roleclaim alone, which happened before any play? PJB on the other hand came in with the tone of someone that had seen something they didn't like and glossed right over Raz pushing the same point. Didn't even notice. Didn't "me too". Gheb's a hearty push, man, PJBscum was gonna "me too".

Yeah. Something I didn't like about him was his sudden anger when he was getting pushed as possible scum, he seemed really offended about it, but I guess he's just that type of player. Something to note when he's actually not dead in a game.

-Continued Gheb push. There was no reason to shoot Gheb that would somehow be eclipsed by Kantplay's appearance, which would be more of the same and maybe even lynchable -- all the bad play the day progressed into with one exception for Gheb was present right at the start and right when PJB started his push. If PJB was the killer, he shot Gheb. But he didn't.

I felt different about it. I didn't like the fact he came guns blazing on Gheb just for the fact he wanted to vote a non-existant player, and I felt he was just parroting things already said and then he just kind of...dropped off the face of the earth.

-Complete lack of overeagerness. Once again, Gheb is a balls deep kinda push. You don't half-*** it if you want to kill Gheb, no matter HOW he's playing or if people are hating it (before the beginning of the tailspin there OS and I were completely ready to hop off Gheb and go elsewhere.) I'd expect an inherent excitement from scumPJB and really most any sophomoric player that starts a ballsy push on a town heavy hitter and sees it starting to happen. Right to the grave PJB's vibes were directly in line with "**** yeah about time people are listening to me about this guy I think is super scummy". He didn't get jumpy at any point at all.

You might be right about this one, but I have to ask: why is this all important to you? You're pointing why your townread him and why it justifies something. but as I respond to this I have to think about what you really want from me. You want me to agree with you? To understand yourplay? I feel I could understand your play better if you just simplified it and told me your reads or something, not this "Here is why I read a certain player this way in depth o-tron2000." It's nice to look at but I want to get to actually doing things.

Come into day after ****ing execution and no NK. Day already sucks. Gheb starts pushing TOM. Reasons are bad. Raz buries his balls in Gheb's butt right away. Kantplay appears. He does Kantplay things, he dies, flips scum. Oh damn, a scumflip. Come to think of it none of Gheb's play points away from SvS. Then he gets a new target. Then he's offered Kingmaker. Then he drops his prior push with no concern at all. Like he didn't want it in the first place. That was the apex of where he fell. And that's when we started to tighten our pressure. And he played MUCH WORSE with his buckets of salt and FUD and OMGUS as the pressure was applied because he can't see past his rosy tinted ****ing mirror. So we see it through.

Yeah, Gheb screwed himself pretty hard and I didn't feel bad for lynching him. I just wanna know if there's anything else from you, though. I wanna hear all your stances and what you've been thinking. Has PJB really only been your solid read this whole game?

Are you getting this? So you come into toDay and footsiepush me a little in the kind of way a scum that might want to lynch me on D4 would do. Then you push my one remaining townread. Add narrative. Add HEDONISTIC amounts of skimming. How's that look to me?

Some blunt skimming I can admit to, but I did sincerely re-read. I'm kind of frustrated that TBG just blows off what I asked him to and basically everyone else who isn't me or you doesn't want to play this game. Such is the woes of mafia. I don't know what you want me to say about what I did. I did what I did. I don't feel there's need to go on about it or explain myself because I've already tried doing so.

tl;dr

Stances
Read on Kevin
Lynch TBG Yes/No

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Holy **** this coding is so goddamn bad

 

[TBG]

I have lots of work that I'm doing IRL I have time after it, sure, but I don't have any more appetite for work. This game became work when I lost my groove and getting a read on someone meant research. If you want to cut it into an easily accessible format (i.e. how do you feel about post #XXX) I'll do it, but I just have absolutely no will to go back and iso someone because I totally forgot where I was on them.

 

[.L-]

Has PJB really only been your solid read this whole game?

The only one that lasted -- until now, anyway. I have another I think but i want to reread (and you know damn well I'm gonna do it) to see if analysis lines up with short-term memory gut. The near future will be telling, that I assure you.

Speaking of rereading:

P.S Kevin you ... tell the audience what tipped you off about me.

I'll cosign that mortgage. **** I'll use my muscles as collateral

Although it can sometimes be reaffirming to see someone toss out a suspicion you're worried about, as Kev did, that's by leaps and bounds the most direct thing he's done. Had a few q's on the last page I believe, so offering one stance only is definitely below par. When it just so happens to be one that lines up with my (and later, BSL)'s current press, well...

I have more to say but let's leave that as a mnemonic for later. See what the future holds.

You might be right about this one, but I have to ask: why is this all important to you?

I stated that very clearly. To show you why everything I saw you doing was grinding against my earlier reasons for comfort that you're on the side of good, and hopefully get you to comprehend why that would look very wrong to me, particularly when accompanied with what you have to admit was a footsiepush, even though it developed to something of substance.

I wanted to reconcile how you came away from that with such a bizarro different lens than I did. Now that you've stated it in detail (despite dodging one of my points with that deflection) I can keep that in mind upon reread.

It's nice to look at but I want to get to actually doing things.

This is doing something. I don't particularly care if it's nothing to you, but I think it will help me read you correctly.

Lastly,

Stances Not yet
Read on Kevin Time will tell
Lynch TBG Yes/No At this point I'd say yes, but I have higher priorities.

 

[.L-]

btw guys I think my pizza guy was m night shyamalagmgalaghmn

 

[Raziek]

I'll be getting back to this game tomorrow, I'm not in the right mindset to play at the moment. Have skimmed, but not read in excruciating detail yet.

 

[BSL]

Ugh everyone is editing their posts

And by everyone I mean soup and TGB.

I don't think AA is coming back. He's been offline on Skype since the 4th, so he hasn't even gotten the last message I sent him when we were talking about th game a long time ago.

 

[asianaussie]

I dont normally use skype and im very busy atm, you can take full control of the slot if you want

 

[ranmaru]

Ranmaru, you should ignore pre-game nonsense as I was only trying to play in character. I think your catch-up is townie.

Soup, tell me what exactly about my catch-up you thought was townie?

Who did Ranmaru replace again? Let me go peg his alignment based on catch-up, I was getting lazy and just wanted to roll on Gheb after he started having a fit.

Can you clarify what you were justifying here?

Ranmaru seems weird. I looked at his catch-up and his thoughts on Gheb/AA don't make sense. They aren't very clarified and his whole catch-up was lacking. However, It just doesn't look incriminating enough to make me want to lynch Ranmaru. He's not the most organized player and he can be a bit scatterbrained. There is some genuineness that I like about him, but that's not anything that I would peg other than his characteristics. The constant questions, The unvote and giving Gheb time to respond (even if he hammered himself), and pursuing his reads. I think what will decide my opinion is how he responds to the previous day and how he feels about his previous reads based on the fact Gheb was indeed town. I'm not going to go further about this until then.

What do you mean 'aren't very clarified'? How does this make me 'weird' to you?

Also, what is your stance on L today? What do you think of his recent push on you?

 

[.L-]

Don't you love that we have such a large peanut gallery that it guarantees at least one or two of them are town, and yet they apparently have no concerns whatsoever about displaying this?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, tell me what exactly about my catch-up you thought was townie?

Can you clarify what you were justifying here?



What do you mean 'aren't very clarified'? How does this make me 'weird' to you?

Also, what is your stance on L today? What do you think of his recent push on you?

Wait, why do you care about this? I don't understand your basis to ask these questions and suddenly come in here like this. ...Do you have reads?

..Uh, they're cookie-cuttered and a lot of the case on Gheb/AA didn't seem like it was well thought-out. You pointed out things like Gheb playing "middleman" and the alike but you didn't go into the process as to why that was definitively scummy. I felt the same about your catch-up where it felt like you were just quoting things to quote them.

...Why does this matter? Clearly he's the only person who gives a **** besides me. I'm not lynching him.

 

[.L-]

I would actually like to see answers to Ranmaru's questions.

 

[.L-]

I think your catch-up is townie.

I felt the same about your catch-up where it felt like you were just quoting things to quote them.

The question here should be apparent so I won't bother transcribing it. Feel free to answer it after you answer Ranmaru's questions and talk to him a bit, though. Not here to do his job for him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I reconsidered it. I know it's a 180 but I was wrong about Gheb and I need to consider alternatives. After re-reading Ranmaru there were things I wanted to pin as just Ranmaru, but I don't feel it holds merit. Many people have told me that Meta is a scent, not a tell. I don't like how nothing he said is really clarified and how he came back.

 

[.L-]

I'd still like your answers to his other questions. I'd also like a walk-through of your impressions of your conversation with Ran after you two have exchanged some more words, but since you are suspicious of him I won't ask for anything now.

@BSL:

1) Now that aa has bailed, what are your plans for this game?

2) You mentioned that you thought Gheb was indy on D2. As of what post (of your own) had you come to this conclusion? How confident were you in the read?


@Kevin: Let's have your thoughts on the more recent questions aimed at you so we can move on or whatever. And I'd like 1-2 more reads with substantiation. You don't have to go EE on it. Just give me the person, the read, and a few sentences.


@Raz: When I finish my homework, I better have content from you


@mod: Request prod on Asdioh

 

[.L-]

Speaking of mod communication, this is a mnemonic to reveal some meta-information I have sometime in the future.

Really though. Peanut gallery: SOMEBODY IN THERE must be town. ****ing step up or step off. Town has only had one actual lynch this game thanks to Executioner shenanigans and we blew it on Gheb's holier than thou ass. You are losing this game for us. Do work.

 

[.L-]

And a long overdue FoS: TBG

 

[BSL]

I'd still like your answers to his other questions. I'd also like a walk-through of your impressions of your conversation with Ran after you two have exchanged some more words, but since you are suspicious of him I won't ask for anything now.

@BSL:

1) Now that aa has bailed, what are your plans for this game?

2) You mentioned that you thought Gheb was indy on D2. As of what post (of your own) had you come to this conclusion? How confident were you in the read?


@Kevin: Let's have your thoughts on the more recent questions aimed at you so we can move on or whatever. And I'd like 1-2 more reads with substantiation. You don't have to go EE on it. Just give me the person, the read, and a few sentences.


@Raz: When I finish my homework, I better have content from you


@mod: Request prod on Asdioh

I'm a little bummed. I don't particularly enjoy mafia, mostly because I'm bad at it. I'll play the game out, but I'm more of a hindrance to town on my own. My reads are (historically) not very accurate. Because of that, I'm not very confident in my reads.

As for Gheb being Indy, I thought he was starting with his push on TOM. There wasn't a specific post that made me think as such. If I had to pick one, it was the first "lets lynch TOM" post.

Is my vote anywhere?

unvote
Vote: TBG

 

[Asdioh]

Sorry for not posting, I've been addicted to VLR. Just finished it.

Off the top of my head we should lynch TBG or Kevin?

Meanwhile, Raziek's role just seems too good to be true. Think about it for a minute, assume he was telling the truth. Whoever the indy is that's killing everyone, he gets a free pass through pretty much the whole game. He never has to worry about being killed at night, since Raz will tank all those shots for him. He never has to worry about a doctor blocking his shot, because he shoots during the day. He never has to worry about being investigated in any way. He won't shoot Raz himself since it could be detrimental to him.

The silly thing is that lynching Raziek incorrectly could be a huge mistake on our part, as it might get rid of our nighttime shield if we're wrong. Hell, even if we're right, lynching him too soon will still get rid of our nighttime shield.

TGB is scum because he told us how his executioner role worked while trying to explain why he wasn't executioner, so like LOL

When was this, and why hasn't anyone else mentioned it? I don't remember him saying something like this, even though it sounds important.

 

[.L-]

Off the top of my head we should lynch TBG or Kevin?

Elaborate on both, in your own words.

 

[.L-]

@KevinM: Your list of outstanding questions is piling up here. Get your ass to work son

@KevinM: Read on Soup. Also, tell me who you think would've shot PJB. Also answer my prior questions.

You answered the former, but not the latter.

@Kev: Gimme some reads bro. Also what's your take on everything Gheb?

You did provide a read on Soup, but I also recently asked for a few more reads with some substantiation, and agreed with Soup that I'd like to see your thoughts on why you're so okay with lynching Soup.


@Asdioh: You have a couple things as well

@Asdioh: What's your read on Ranmaru? #swag? TBG? Why? What two people would you push right now if you had to narrow us down to two options?

You answered the latter-most question there, but not the first four (you provided an implicit read on TBG, sure, but you know).

I'll add one more, though. What do you think the scumteam is at present?

I'd really like to see you do some work as your slot has never stopped perplexing me since D1. I don't like being perplexed.

 

[.L-]

@Raz: Great job keepin' that promise btw

not

Vote: Raziek

 

[Raziek]

It was a plan, not a promise. Ugh. Motivation lacking.

I'm going to shower. I promise at least SOMETHING when I come back.

 

[Raziek]

Ok, I'm back and I'm reading.

 

[Raziek]

Alright. Read list for you, L:

3. Asdioh () - I am what can best be described as "concerned" about Asdioh. It has bothered me most of the game, the way that he's kept me at arm's length and never taken a concrete stance. There are several posts like his 824 that direct attention to me, but commit in no specific direction. He claims my role is "too good to be true", yet still thinks I'm Townish? I'm not even completely sure what he thinks of me. His stances have been non-commital, from my memory.


4. asianaussie/BSL () - I'm townreading BSL based mostly on meta, honestly. His play reminds me a lot of HxH in his sideline commentary/inquires pertaining to LvSoup. Not a priority for me at the moment.

7. KevinM () - Kevbro, why do you want to lynch TBG? I have like no content from you and that goes either direction based on meta. Is L vs. Soup TvT? If not, which is scum?

9. Ranmaru () - Town lean. No particular reason at the moment.

11. L (EEOS) () - I've followed and agreed with pretty much all of your posts and reasoning toDay. Nothing is setting off alarm bells, and I think you've summarized yesterday's events well.

10. Soup ()
8. TBG ()

Now, as for these two. I'm not sure what to do about Soup. L vs. Soup makes him look bad, but his play otherwise has read Town to me. Problem is, with Soup that lines up with both town and scum meta. I WANT to consider lynching him, but the voice in my head goes, "I don't think we'd be right."

TBG feels like a cop-out lynch that puts us in a dangerous position. I'm hesitant to put him in LyLo based on his activity, because if he's Town I don't think we can expect to see a well-reasoned and defensible endgame scenario.

That said, there's something more important I want to discuss.

 

[Raziek]

How do people feel about a massclaim? Soup mentioned it earlier and I think it's a worthwhile route at this point.

Reason being, its quite safe to say at this point that our shooter is Anti-Town. PBJ shot makes no pro-Town sense.

Pertaining to that, I've yet to reveal some things about my role, so I want to be at the end of the claim order. It's possible I can trap scum in a corner based on claims.

Thoughts?

 

[.L-]

Huzzah, a responsive player that isn't soup... ****ing finally.

Let's hear what you got. Gonna watch a little bit of Oz then I'll be back for homework, so I'll be here

 

[Raziek]

What I've got is that I'm not sure where to go at the moment other than I think a massclaim is an idea we should discuss. Long night burned me out hard.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

TBG has not played a solid game up until now. His push is incredibly easy regardless of alignment. Keeping him alive for another phase when he has provided nothing is only going to either let him continue to play the way he is (as scum) or continue to be a liability. Since there's obvious reasons to think he's scum, it's more meritable to not give him benefit of the doubt here. Besides, pressure would do some good.

I don't get how I looked bad in that .L- exchange in your eyes but I don't really care. I'm with .L- and I'm glad you actually posted content and reads. Thank god.

Hey .L- what's stopping you from a full-vote on TBG anyways?

 

[BSL]

There's not a lot to explain, really. I've been busy as **** with robotics and studying.

As far as the FML lynch, he was already at 4 votes when I voted him. (or so we all thought) The **** reason do I have to vote the guy and summarily execute him before anyone posts? Especially when I can either do it without even posting in thread, or vote him, but wait to do it. There's literally no reason for me to thrust myself in the spotlight like that. It's just horribly flawed logic.



I don't.



Blindly speculating is one of the easiest ways to waste a day, imo.


Anyway, between the long night and being busy, I've just been way the out of the game. If y'all want something, ask, and link any relevant posts.

Gheb starting a wagon on me feels opportunistic, and the TOM lynch is just stupid, but I'm obviously incredibly biased so iono.

Here it is

 

[TBG]

I've explained that. I've only ever seen one variation of the role in all my years. Are there executioners who work under other conditions?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Clarify on this point more for me, with reference to Gheb. What did you mean about "the lie PM could be mine." Did something Gheb say contradict what was said in your PM? Can you share it?

TBG answer this while you're here reference #764

 

[BSL]

You gave an explanation, TBG, yes. It just seems to me like more of a slip than a hypothetical situation. I've also only seen one executioner role that worked through votes.

 

[TBG]

How would other executioners even work?

Clarify on this point more for me, with reference to Gheb. What did you mean about "the lie PM could be mine." Did something Gheb say contradict what was said in your PM? Can you share it?

No, I was speaking about how I thought Gheb accepting that he was a VT was odd, considering we've all been told there's a lie in someone's role PM.

 

[BSL]

Exactly how it seems it worked. The executioner hammers if he votes on someone who has a certain number of votes.