Toonami Mafia - Adult Swim Edition - The sun has risen!

[Kantrip]

In short, if there is scum behind the FML lynch, it is one of Detective Prince/TBG if it's someone on the lynch (their jumps on the wagon were not acceptable). However, it could also be ANYONE ELSE IN THE GAME sending in an execute ability.

Anti lynching TOM

 

[Kantrip]

Asdioh's #476 leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

@PJB: Do you get a similar feeling? How do you feel about Asdioh?

@KevinM: Looking past Gheb's TOM push, how's the rest of his play? How's his turn onto TBG?

@Raziek: Do you honestly believe every facet of your role to be true? Call me crazy, but I think it's more likely that scum purpose didn't shoot to keep up the facade that your role is true than to believe a bulletproof lightningrod is real. And that's pretty damn unbelievable on its own. I just need to know, are you going off the assumption that your role PM is strictly accurate, ESPECIALLY knowing Gheb outed that his role PM says there is a lie in someone's role PM? Also read on Detective Prince and PJB please.

@Detective Prince: I'd like to know what happened to our sparring match yesterDay. The sudden lynch of FML rudely interrupted our mud-slinging and you haven't jumped back into it. Has your opinion of me changed?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Lol, I love how everyone thinks they've got my scum meta down based on one game. A game where I intentionally played to my town meta as much as possible, and lived the whole game as a result (until I was lynched by 2 of my scummates who had been recruited as indies, which had nothing to do with me "getting caught")

 

[Kantrip]

See guys? What kind of scummer complains about how someone got a townread on him? He's actually trying to discredit my reasoning for being fine with his slot.

Not scum play guys, not scum play.

 

[Raziek]

Every facet? Maybe not. But until I'm given reason to think otherwise, what good does needless paranoia about my role do me?

 

[Kantrip]

I guess I just think a bulletproof lightning rod is beyond the scope of bastard modding and it's not paranoia to doubt the legitimacy of such a role. If it's not something you're thinking about that's cool.

I feel like I don't know where your head's at, besides Gheb. Who else is scum?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Except that there was no NK last night, and a lightningrod who is bulletproof is a pretty solid explanation for that.

 

[Kantrip]

So you think scum doesn't have a NK until they get Raziek lynched, and if Raziek were to have NOT outed his role they wouldn't even know they need to do that?

Is that what you're trying to suggest is the most likely scenario here?

Yeah PJB thinking your town doesn't mean I want your input, sorry bro

 

[Kantrip]

Unless you want to get at my question about Asdioh? I actually value your opinion in that regard, rather than focusing on set-up spec.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Yea scum not knowing why they can't get kills doesn't fit into a *******mod game at all

 

[Kantrip]

This will get us nowhere. Move on.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Asdioh seems innocent enough. At least based on that post alone. I don't really recall anything else that incriminates him to me either. The fact that he's talking about the possibility of poison when the Raziek being BP lightningrod explanation is right in front of him... Not sure what to make of that actually.

 

[Kantrip]

the BP lightningrod explanation is a piece of **** and Gheb's role PM says to things that discredit that "explanation":

Everything in the game can be pierced by something.
Someone has a lie in their role PM.

I guarantee you at LEAST one of these statements directly applies to Raziek's role, and you shouldn't theorycraft about it in a game such as this one.

Uggh why do I always doubt reads after asking questions

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Umm, why are you trying to come up with some absurdly complicated explanation for why there was no NK? Like, there's a perfectly simple explanation sitting right there in front of you. You're doubting it why exactly? Because there's a chance that his role PM is lying? There's also a chance that his role PM is telling the truth, and it's somebody else entirely who's role PM is false. The difference is that there's actually evidence to support Raziek's PM being true, and nothing to conclusively support it being a lie at this point.

 

[Kantrip]

k sure raziek absorbed every singe NA and he's ironman or god or something and all the PRs in this game are bowing down for his mercy right now

I really don't see why it matters. I'm gonna agree to disagree because I think the "solution" you hold so dear is absolute bull**** but it doesn't. Change. Anything.

Yeah PJB is still town, just unbearable for me at the moment. Gonna end it here.

 

[Raziek]

Someone remind me to say something about Kantrip before the night phase hits, that I don't want to say right now.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Day 2 event 1

Our spirits are aflame. Can we see the fire, there is nothing that we cannot defeat. And now this hand of mine is burning red. Its loud roar tells me to grasp victory! Take this! My love, my anger, and all of my sorrow! SHINING FINGER!

Kantrip, Xana, Mafia Artificial Intelligence, has been killed.

 

[Asdioh]

LOL
This game is too fun and I really need to read as it continuously gets longer.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Can't change accounts at the moment. That will be reposted under the moderator account later today with a link to that post, it will not be a new event at that time.

 

[Asdioh]

Raziek, don't forget to say something about Kantrip before night phase hits.

 

[Kantrip]

lol

rah rah rah

have fun guys

 

[#HBC | Joker]

lol, well now I know why Kantplay knew I was town, and wanted to waste time theorizing about NAs when the simple explanation was right there in front of us

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This game ... *sigh*

Let's read back then I guess.

 

[Raziek]

What I was going to say was that I have a very high suspicion Kantrip was mafia based on his reaction to PBJ.

There's a reason for that, but now I get to hold onto that card for if I see someone else show the same tell.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Somebody talk to me about SDO's #215. Smart people first.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Does anyone take responsibility for this?


It is to be noted that several things occurred prior to this. For one, Raziek claimed Lightning Rod. This proves he was either lying or his lightning rod is limited to Night Actions; it is possible Raziek gave away information that allowed scum to decide to kill during the day instead of at Night. If there are routinely no Night Kills and only kills during the day this is a safe assumption.

Raziek, do you have any more information about your role that is useful to us? Specifics, specifically. At this point unless someone takes responsibility for the Ryu kill, it is an anti-town action. With this in mind it is important for us to recognize that they have a way around your lightning Rod, at least potentially, and we need to be able to plan accordingly.

I'ts a shame we don't know what a "town scouter" did.

@bold

You talk about "several things" occuring before the kill but you only mention Raziek's claim. Do you remember what the other things you were thinking about are by any chance?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Tery, KevinM, Asdioh, TBG

In #314 Kant says he thinks that FML / PJB are "less likely to be scum together". Now that FML flipped town and Kant flipped scum do you think there's anything we can make out of it?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Read list for now:

Town - DP, AA, Raziek, Gheb
-> I underestimated AA's input yesterDay. I'm perfectly OK with him being around right now.

Scummy - TBG, Asdioh, PJB
-> I find TBG individually suspicious, whereas SDO / PJB are suspect via connections imo

Null - Tery, L, KevinM
-> Some of them could possibly make sense in a scumteam with Kantrip but I have nothing concrete.

 

[KevinM]

"Do you honestly believe every facet of your role to be true? Call me crazy, but I think it's more likely that scum purpose didn't shoot to keep up the facade that your role is true than to believe a bulletproof lightningrod is real. And that's pretty damn unbelievable on its own. I just need to know, are you going off the assumption that your role PM is strictly accurate, ESPECIALLY knowing Gheb outed that his role PM says there is a lie in someone's role PM? Also read on Detective Prince and PJB please."

Going to think about this post for a while brbs

 

[Asdioh]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=15285549&postcount=466
^ Gheb what the hell is this? PJB, Raziek and others are right about this. We have no reason to believe that TOM is being detrimental to town.

I'd like everybody who thinks I'm scummy for advocating a TOM lynch to speak up and tell me why it's scummy [except raziek].

Thinking you're indy because of your TOM push might've been hasty. Instead, I just want you to explain why lynching the "TOM equivalent" was so beneficial to town in that other game? And how was the concept brought up in the first place in that game? Just a general summary is fine.

And since we've already seen that scum can, indeed, die, I see even less reason to lynch TOM. Speaking of which, I still believe the person with the trigger is scum. Most likely indy, due to the fact that he would have killed his mafia partner just now. I don't see any (playwise) connection between RR and Kantrip, so I'm going to assume it's a player doing this. And obviously it wasn't Kantrip who killed RR

What I was going to say was that I have a very high suspicion Kantrip was mafia based on his reaction to PBJ.

There's a reason for that, but now I get to hold onto that card for if I see someone else show the same tell.

So is this implying a PBJ townread, as you doubt SvS would be so incriminating?

@Tery, KevinM, Asdioh, TBG

In #314 Kant says he thinks that FML / PJB are "less likely to be scum together". Now that FML flipped town and Kant flipped scum do you think there's anything we can make out of it?

Mafia BS. All I need to say about PJB is that looking at this last page, Kantrip's posts look forced, compared to his, leading me to believe that he is town.

 

[.L-]

a wild scumflip appears

sup guys ee here

sup scum be afraid

 

[.L-]

unless you're all in the inactive pool. **** that ****

30 SECONDS? DO YOU THINK I'M MADE OF TIME, FORUM???

 

[.L-]

PJB and kantplay were responding to each other awful swiftly...

 

[.L-]

@Gheb: Which of your scumreads do you intend to pursue?

 

[.L-]

Everyone that specifically reads TvT on PJB/Kantplay needs to itemize that **** for me because I can't pull anything but null from 'er

 

[.L-]

@Asdioh, DP, Raz, Terywj: I'd like to know all y'alls thoughts based on Kanty's flip and prior play/reads/interactions more than anyone else's

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And since we've already seen that scum can, indeed, die, I see even less reason to lynch TOM./QUOTE]

Agreed.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb: Which of your scumreads do you intend to pursue?

TBG at the moment.

 

[Detective Prince.]

This game is too gracious. I'm looking at the past day and interactions.

 

[Detective Prince.]

@Gheb

Asdioh's #215 seems unnecessary yet townie for him, for previous reasons. Trying to incriminate his own flipped partner (Kantrip) on something like a reason why RR was shot seems pointless and I don't see them doing it, even for distancing purposes. I'll look further on.