Toonami Mafia - Adult Swim Edition - The sun has risen!

[Detective Prince.]

Unfortunately, I don't have anything spectacular to offer in regards to "regular" scumhunting. I don't think we can hold TBG accountable for "hammering" FML and I generally think the pressure FML received was justified. I feel like pressuring inactives might lead us to something though as coasting through these shenanigans might prove to be the safest tactic for scum.

If you can't hold him accountable for his hammer, can you hold him accountable to his actions? This isn't about FML either. I didn't like TBG's vote at the end at all.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Anyone who votes TOM is a ****ing moron.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Kantrip, L., SwordsonIce.

I'd like all of you to talk to me about the interaction between Gheb and I. What conclusions did you draw about our alignments? What do you believe our course of action for the day should be.

Gheb ****** or scum, you town. Allow me to ask you something in retort, what do you think of PJB's vote on Gheb?

I'm cautiously looking at Asdioh too.

 

[Detective Prince.]

. PJB town.

Haha. ahahaha.

Explain.

 

[Detective Prince.]

I think Gheb's push to lynch TOM is more than a little noteworthy. He opened the game by voting for someone who isn't technically in the game, and the vote counted. Now he wants us to for forward with the lynch. Why do you think he voted TOM in the first place? He wasn't trolling, that's bull****. The vote counted. Does anyone here honestly believe that is a coincidence? Now he wants us to lynch him because "maybe it'll fix the game's shenanigans"? Again, bull****. Gheb knows what it'll do, and he's not telling us. Something sinister is at play. That's what I'm seeing.

Vote: Gheb

Huh. What kind of devious intent?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Read Chaco's LoD Screw Mafia Day 1 if you still don't understand why I consider lynching TOM a move that may prove benefitial.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Detective Prince: Who is your current target du jour?

The same for PJB, TBG, and Gheb

I think we should pressure inactives for now. The active players generally read either town or at least not scum for me. The only thing I really dislike from yesterDay is the way DP joined the FML wagon but I'm not sure how heavily it weighs. I'd rather hear something from Tery, Asdioh, aussie, Kevin or even Raziek and PJB before I start focusing on people - none of them have made any noticeable input yesterDay and that's more than half of the people who are still alive. I feel like the general lack of input from them is more anti-town than the FML wagon-hopping.

I also think TOM will make a solid lynch. The flavor suggests that he has some sort of influence over the game and a high level of authority and yet he doesn't offer vote, numbers or information for the town.

@KevinM: What is your opinion of the current Gheb/Raziek scuffle?

@Gheb: What have you read from Raziek's aggression towards you?

He personally dislikes me and he projects some of his own mental problems onto me at times. That's why he's almost always more aggressive towards me than towards others. In no way am I surprised that he's acting that way - it's just the way it is. I can see why he dislikes my push against TOM although I find it to be an exaggeration to read me as scum based on it. I kind of doubt that he actually thinks I'm scum for what it's worth.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb knows what it'll do, and he's not telling us.

I think you severly underestimate me, double-digit.

 

[.L-]

First

Vote KevinM

Actually Unvote Vote TOM

Let's see what happens.

Unvote Vote FML

Votecount 1.1

Private-Joker Brown:
FullMetalLynch: TBG
Asdioh: Kantrip
Asianaussie:
Potassium: FML
KevinM:
TBG: KevinM
Terywj:
Detective Prince.: FML > L > FML
.L-: Kantrip > FML
Raziek:
Gheb: KevinM > TOM > FML

Count
FML (4): Gheb, Soi, L, Kantrip
KevinM (1): TBG
Kantrip (1): Asdioh
TBG (1): FML

With 12 Players alive, it takes 7 to lynch! D1 ends on January 23rd at 12 PM CST!

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Mod Note the First: While all PMs directed to this account will be seen and read, it will probably be faster to send them all directly to Ryker and WL as well.

Mod Note the Second: The following players have been nicknamed to save space on vote counts:
Private-Joker Brown (PJB)
FullMetalLynch (FML)
asianaussie (AA)
Potassium (Kantrip)
Terywj (Tery)
Detective Prince (Soi)
Raziek (Raz)

Given Nicknames are in parentheses.

Mod Note the Third: While I will not outright punish individual mishaps, I will not tolerate consistent out-of-hydra posts. You signed up for this game in a particular account, please stick to it.

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Unrelated but interesting fact: Did you know that they invented a type of stitching that's made to be absorbed into the skin? Apparently they made it outta cat guts when it was first invented.

Raj Mahal is the ****ing best, by the way.

Gheb, in a single post explain every single detail that lead to the chain of events of you voting TOM and then bringing it up as a lynch option over others. Any further posts from you on TOM will be ignored.

You get one post. I don't want piecemeal logic going on throughout the game. Make your case on TOM in one post and tell us everything you know.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Read Chaco's LoD Screw Mafia Day 1 if you still don't understand why I consider lynching TOM a move that may prove benefitial.

Delving into a mechanics of a heavily-implied ******* game on D2 after a completely unfruitful D1 is not worth the time or effort. TOM will not give us anything, as he is not an active player.

Try again.

 

[Detective Prince.]

I think we should pressure inactives for now. The active players generally read either town or at least not scum for me..

Talk more about the bold.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I know nothing about TOM except what has been revealed in public.

There was a game where the "boss guy" in the flavor could be lynched - that was Chaco's Lod Screw Mafia and it proved HIGHLY benefitial for the town to lynch him. Since both games were openly declared to be subject to ******* modding and both had some sort of "leadership guy" who essentially orders us around I thought there might be a parallel between those games and gave it a shot - I voted TOM just to see whether it was possible in the first place. I needed a votecount to confirm though. This is why I even got the idea of voting him to begin with.

For various reasons I think lynching him can be very benefitial - and at worst it can't make our situation worse than it is now. One reason I think it makes sense to lynch him for is the parallel to LoD Screw Mafia which is probably no coincidence. Moreover, since all the information we gain in public is strictly accurate it's clear that TOM is de facto not a pro-town entity. There may even be chance that he is considered a "threat to the town" via the game mechanics and needs to be lynched. I have yet to hear a likely downside to this - the indy wincon is not only very unlikely but if it's the goal of a third party faction to get rid of TOM then they pose no direct threat to town and can for all intents and purposes be ignored.

What's the worst that can happen if we lynch TOM? I'd still like to hear a crystal-clear and well backed-up response to this. Raziek spreading FUD over it doesn't mean diddly-squat. If NAs were viable then I wouldn't mind somebody investigating TOM but that's not the case. I think the option to lynch him is legit.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Delving into a mechanics of a heavily-implied ******* game on D2 after a completely unfruitful D1 is not worth the time or effort.

How do you know?

TOM will not give us anything, as he is not an active player.

How do you know?

Talk more about the bold.

No need.

 

[.L-]

I need absolutely everyone in the game to tell me whether they are pro or anti lynching TOM.

State it plainly in bold so it's easy to see, please.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Pro lynching TOM

What do you think of pressuring inactive players, L?

 

[Detective Prince.]

And what makes you think that Ryker borrowed such mechanics from that game? How did it prove beneficial? I haven't seen anything done that could pose as a threat, unless you're trying to imply that what happened last day was because of TOM.

No need.

Why? Who is defined as 'inactive' or 'active'? I can't accept that answer because D1 didn't go on long enough to determine who was truly active or inactive. I don't understand how you have the mindset that wasting another day pursuing an omnious figure within the game is worth more than actually scumhunting and questioning players. Do you really think that FML lynch happened without scum being involved? Do You?

Anti TOM.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Who is defined as 'inactive' or 'active'? I can't accept that answer because D1 didn't go on long enough to determine who was truly active or inactive.

I disagree with this. Look at the players I've listed in response to L. Do you disagree with them having made less input than the people that haven't been named? I don't see why you'd make it a strictly techincal thing by asking for a clear definition. Tery, AA, Asdioh, TBG and KevinM's input yesterDay was insufficient. End of story.

Do you really think that FML lynch happened without scum being involved? Do You?

With only 4 people actually voting for him I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. I think L and I have come forth with some very solid reasoning to find him suspect. If two more townies joined up to increase pressure it wouldn't have been anything out of the ordinary, would it? I think it's easy to imagine a hypothetical scenario where he was voted exclusively by townies.

But you have a point that TBG's way of joining the FML wagon was quite unconvincing - not that *your* reasoning convinced me but he's also rather inactive. I think he deserves to be pressured. I wanna see where the TOM-thing is going though before I move on.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Anti-TOM

10antitoms

 

[Detective Prince.]

I was busy.

I disagree with this. Look at the players I've listed in response to L. Do you disagree with them having made less input than the people that haven't been named? I don't see why you'd make it a strictly techincal thing by asking for a clear definition. Tery, AA, Asdioh, TBG and KevinM's input yesterDay was insufficient. End of story.

Instead of looking at it like the amount of posts, look it at like what actually happened last day.

Let's go over it, shall we?

• Raziek claimed a ******* role.
• Red Ryu was shot.
• FML was lynched.

That's it. That's all that happened. We didn't even really get out of RVS, the day was incrediby short and the content was barren. A lot of the people you listed merely commented about those two things, which were the only things that happened. If they continue to not post and avoid the game, then I might agree with you. I had no problems with any of them quite frankly. I don't understand how you're instantly town-reading anyone who happened to be active. There wasn't **** to talk about. You should not be asking them "Why are you inactive?" You should be asking them, "Why don't you care?" I'm not going to say that I'm defending them either, but I do have my reads. Asdioh needs to do more, and I feel my town-read on him dissapating. I don't have judgement on players like Tery or KevinM, they're inherently inactive. AA is a town-read.

With only 4 people actually voting for him I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. I think L and I have come forth with some very solid reasoning to find him suspect. If two more townies joined up to increase pressure it wouldn't have been anything out of the ordinary, would it? I think it's easy to imagine a hypothetical scenario where he was voted exclusively by townies.

But you have a point that TBG's way of joining the FML wagon was quite unconvincing - not that *your* reasoning convinced me but he's also rather inactive. I think he deserves to be pressured. I wanna see where the TOM-thing is going though before I move on.

Me, L, You, TBG. That was it as far as I know, and what the vote-count says. I don't really care about the 'number' of townies rather I'm more concerned about the intention to vote him. TBG didn't have any.

 

[asianaussie]

i like raz

gheb's motives for voting tom are believable and i dont think he should be persecuted for his d1 vote on him

at the same time i honestly do not care about the tom lynch at this point, would need at least another day or two of flavour to even consider it as anything more than a distractor

anti-tom if i had to choose

i dont remember anyting about d1 except some really dumb kantrip vs DP nonsense that involved unreliable meta calls and mud-slinging (which read as TvT anyway)

@L: How would you feel about an inactivity lynch? Would you prefer a Tom lynch over no-lynch?

@DP: which 'active' player lynch feels most right to you? You said gheb is either dumb or scum, what do you think is more likely?

 

[Detective Prince.]

@DP: which 'active' player lynch feels most right to you? You said gheb is either dumb or scum, what do you think is more likely?

No comment at the moment. I want to see how he responds. How were you town-reading me and Kantrip as TvT?

 

[asianaussie]

because i agreed with kantrip and didn't see anything 'wrong' from you, just a lot of admittedly infuriating stuff

 

[Detective Prince.]

Fa ir.

 

[Raziek]

against TOM lynch

If it wasn't painfully obvious.

I have a major problem with Gheb's 452.

WHERE the hell are you coming to the conclusion that TOM is "defacto not pro-town and may be a threat to town."?????

What in the flavour has led you to think this?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that TOM being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that TOM is a threat to us.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

WHERE the hell are you coming to the conclusion that TOM is "defacto not pro-town and may be a threat to town."?????

What in the flavour has led you to think this?

Why do you keep referring to flavor? Fuck flavor. Flavor is for fruits. TOM is de facto not pro-town because all the facts surrounding him make it clear that he isn't pro-town: he's not voting with us, he's not part of our majority and he gives us no information. Where is the pro-town in that?

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that TOM being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that TOM is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that PJB being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that PJB is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that DP being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that DP is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that L being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that L is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that Kantrip being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Kantrip is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that Tery being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Tery is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that Gheb being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Gheb is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that AA being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that AA is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that Raziek being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Raziek is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that KevinM being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that KevinM is a threat to us.

Yea I'm not seeing the evidence supporting the idea that TBG being around is a problem. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that TBG is a threat to us.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

except that players will eventually make themselves known as a threat if we pick up on patterns or inconsistencies or what have you. Like, you can read a player. Are you suggesting we attempt to read TOM's play?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

What I mean is, all TOM does is... game flavor. It's not exactly reasonable to expect us to lynch him when there's nothing there to indicate a problem. TOM's "play" is not scummy. It's not even "play". I would think that if we were expected to have a motivation to lynch TOM, he'd have to be acting blatantly suspicious. Otherwise, TOM is just.. like, scum MVP or some ****.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Your lack of everything is disturbing.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Can you seriously NOT understand that we can lynch TOM and that he might flip scum? Is the fact that something as silly, trivial and essentially superfluous as flavor suggests that he's a good guy that much more important than the fact that he doesn't do anything for us that you completely throw the option out of the window? That you wouldn't even consider it a possibility? That you fail to understand that there's a realistic chance TOM might flip scum anyway?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

But you're treating TOM differently than anyone else for no reason. If we lynch him and he "flips town" then what will we have accomplished? It's not like TOM has connections to players that will be useful for future scumhunting. You just want to lynch him because it's possible.

I'm not opposed to the idea of ever lynching him. I just think it's ******** to do it for no other reason than "hey guys, it's possible!"

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But I've provided other reasons than that. It's good to hear that you're keeping the option open, right now it doesn't look like we will do it anyway so I'm OK if we just drop it and see what else we can do.

Vote TBG

Inactivity and the FML mislynch are our main concerns right now imo and you are part of both. You have some explaining to do.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'd like everybody who thinks I'm scummy for advocating a TOM lynch to speak up and tell me why it's scummy [except raziek].

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Because there's nothing scummy about TOM, and nothing to indicate it being a good idea to kill him. Yet you seem to think it's a great idea. The fact that you seem so sure about a lynch for no discernible reason indicates that you know something we don't. Otherwise you're just making poor, rash decisions.

 

[KevinM]

I don't like the TOM lynch though I am not bolding it.

I feel like Ghebs role pertains to lynching TOM.

I don't know.. plus he goes from TOM lynch (safe though questionable) to inactive lynch (really safe no pvp interaction)

Makes my tummy feel weirdd

 

[Asdioh]

against lynching Tom

Have mostly skimmed the recent page, but I don't understand why Gheb wants this. It just screams "indy wincon" to me. If he thinks we have leeway because there was no death last Night, there's always the possibility that someone was poisoned or something, isn't there?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kevin, care to actually try?

 

[KevinM]

I am, I'm rereading but wanted to comment on the important stuff of the last page.

I dislike your TOM push it doesn't make sense from a town perspective no matter how many times I spin it

(sorry I still think you're Kawaii <3)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You played Chaco's LoD Screw though, didn't you? You of all people should understand that there might be a benefit to it.

 

[Kantrip]

Haha. ahahaha.

Explain.

Unfortunately it's meta but when he's scum he's really bad at doing ANYTHING proactive. Like he'll literally sit there waiting for someone to say his name and then respond to them, usually in an aggressive manner if they dislike him. He may be rehashing Raziek's attack on Gheb (in a more clear and concise way, have you), so he's not actually doing his own thing, but he's doing something. And I think his disdain for Gheb is understandable. He's been providing content when he's been here, and I don't see scum intent to the content either.

About the FML lynch: Due to the MOD error wrt my vote, we know the lynch did not occur due to FML reaching L-2. We have confirmation that the lynch would have occurred as it did with or without my vote (so with 4 people or with 5 people on the wagon). This means it's either timing based, an instant-lynch role, or -- the most likely option -- an execute ability. 4 votes and 5 votes are both over half the required 7 votes to lynch for D1. I'll leave this at that for now, as I want to see what TBG has to say for himself in regards to his out-of-the-blue, unexplained vote on FML.