Toonami Mafia - Adult Swim Edition - The sun has risen!

[Detective Prince.]

The quick response from Kantrip right after his #215 is much different than his push on Asdioh later on. The collapse has Asdioh's response and Kantrip's original post.

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Don't know much about the move itself or the show or the circumstances though. I think suggesting that I'm scum that jumped the gun (excuse my pun here) and shot RR because I was scared of his RVS vote is a bit ridiculous. Also your reasoning that with a townie dead you think it's more reasonable for you to have 2 town reads is also pretty silly. Those factors are completely independent of each other, how are you coming up with that logic?

Perhaps. These facts still remain:
-RR was town, presumably investigative role
-Somebody has a daykilling role
-RR died before he really got to say anything

There's no way I would believe that any town player would kill someone immediately like that, risking a potential power role.

I would not normally get so overzealous at the start like I did, but the fact that RR flipped a power role seemed significant to me. I figured there was a reason he, specifically, was killed immediately. But there are way too many assumptions to make to conclude anything useful. The only conclusion I can reasonably come to is that the one who killed him is antitown.

My logic for the town reads vs the dead townie... I'm assuming scum has a daykill ability to counterbalance Raziek's role. The traditional Lightning Rod:

The Lightning Rod passively redirects every Night Action to itself. This includes the Mafia's kill as well as all investigations, protections, and so forth.

All that daykill did was make Raziek's claim more believable. And perhaps this daykill is the very thing Gheb's role was making reference to.

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Something to note in this interaction is that they have two different ways of seeing it. Asdioh believes that the daykill came from scum, Kantrip believes that it was from town. Right here you can already basically tell that how they responded, that they aren't aligned. Perhaps my purpose wasn't to show this, it was rather to point out the two different ideals to the kill.

 

[Detective Prince.]

I wanted to go further into the Asdioh/Kantrip interactions, but Kantrip's overzealous push on Asdioh after his response tells me enough. I just really want to know what other people think. I was starting to get cautious of Asdioh as mentioned earlier, as I didn't like his lack of activity.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Town leans
Gheb
AA
Joker
Raziek

Anti-town leans
FML
Detective Prince
Asdioh

I'll get to FML this evening, I've got stuff to do right now.

This is funny to look at after Kantrip flipped scum along with everything else what happened.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Raziek town.
Asianaussie town.
Asdioh town.
KevinM town.

PJB Null.
.L- Null.
Gheb null until TBG responds.

Dislike TBG.
Dislike Tery's activity.

 

[Raziek]

Prince, do me a favor, can you find opinions on who thought the day kill was town or scum shot?

 

[Detective Prince.]

Sure. I was gonna ask a couple of questions.

 

[Raziek]

By all means do, but I'd like to see if we had any further concrete stances like those two.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Could I ask you why it concerns you so much? I want to see if we're on the same page.

 

[Raziek]

Pertains to game mechanics and my role, to an extent I don't want to disclose yet.

Scumtrip assuming a Town shot is what tipped me off.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Responses to the Red Ryu Kill:

It's flavored related -

re: potassium, i dont think there is anything substantial in pre-game, and i would never try to build a case or even support a case on something like that, want to guide me in the direction of these 'scumtells'?

the kyoji thing is just a recurring theme that g gundam's protag uses to tell himself he is murdering in the name of justice - i am not going to take this too seriously until someone flavours up domon or w/e his name is

It's scum triggered (?) -

t is to be noted that several things occurred prior to this. For one, Raziek claimed Lightning Rod. This proves he was either lying or his lightning rod is limited to Night Actions; it is possible Raziek gave away information that allowed scum to decide to kill during the day instead of at Night. If there are routinely no Night Kills and only kills during the day this is a safe assumption.

This is interesting to look at now. Do you still hold to this? I'm assuming you don't unless you think Scum would shoot their own partner for no explicable reason.

No stance -

I'm not one for flavour speculation so I'm not going to be doing it / responding to it / trying to analyze it. It's something I've never done much and I don't really remember the flavour to begin with.

RR's death happened near instantly, which makes me feel it hints at someone who was active early enough to see RR's posts as a threat, but at the same time given the nature of this game it could just as well be some random bull****. I've nothing more on that until we get new information. Don't think it matters so much "how" as it does "why".

Looking at present information, how do you feel about it now?

It's a plant thing or could be scum -

wouldn't be surprised if the event was triggered by ruy being the first person to doublepost (just narrowly beating out gheb), or use the word "kawaii" or some such silly thing. I think the mod cut him down because he met the conditions of some arbitrarily predetermined event. That would actually be hilarious.

Of course, it could just be someone who got a dayvig power, and decided to troll hardcore with it "becuz hbc"

You think somebody made a legit daykill on ryu after he made, like 3 posts? They determined him a threat based on that?

Although there is the theory floating around that mafia might have daykills. I guess they would cut down any ol person and not have anything to feel bad about. Dead townie is a dead townie.

Something to note is PJB's and FML's interaction there too.

No stance -

I don't think I even feel like speculating about a daykill in a game where it's been hailed as down right ******* modded.

It's a plant thing, maybe -

That was literally the first thing that came up in my head when I thought about reasons for Ryu dying out of the blue so early. It would also provide a possible contradiction to Raziek's claim and thus might be worth pursuing.

 

[Detective Prince.]

Raziek, if you look at the post I hyperlinked in #522, Kantrip changes his stance and goes with it being a scum kill after talking to Asdioh. Forgot to mention.

 

[Detective Prince.]

TBG didn't make a stance on the kill either, after looking. Hm.

I don't know how I feel about my aa town-read anymore. I'd love to see him respond to all this.

 

[Raziek]

That's fine that Kantrip changed his stance after, my point is that his knowledge base as part of the scum team lead him to initially assume it was Town.

Gotta check something in my role PM, one moment.

 

[Raziek]

I'm going to reveal something now that I'm confident the day kill was Town.

I'm fairly certain my role has all these ******** modifiers so that it's likely I get pegged by a big with an itchy trigger finger.

The wording of my BP includes two very important pieces of information.

1) Something in the game can kill me.

2) I'm true BP. I can be shot 100 times and never die.

However, I think I might not be BP during the day, but I'm not sure. I'm told "nothing that bumps in the night can kill me".

Setup speculation leads me to believe I was going to be day killed on D2 after I got tracked/millered/etc, circumventing my BP.

The fact that I came out with all this circumvented that and leads me to believe my ******* role was designed to cause Town PR implosion.

 

[.L-]

I'm going to reveal something now that I'm confident the day kill was Town.

Okay.

So explain RR from town daykiller POV.

In fact, explain why you're so confident in general.

Setup speculation leads me to believe I was going to be day killed on D2 after I got tracked/millered/etc, circumventing my BP.

Are you saying you thought these kills were pre-scripted events? What are you saying here?

...What?

 

[asianaussie]

DP i will definitely get back to you re: whatever, but im currently a bit occupied and dont have time to properly read

i will say your #521 makes no sense to me because nowhere in there can i see kantrip actually suggesting the daykill was from town, just saying that it isn't right to assume it was from overanxious scum

even taking that into account, that doesn't really put the two of them (asdioh and kantrip) in different factions automatically

no guarantees on the coherence of this post

 

[Raziek]

L use your head, it's not that hard to figure out.

If I'm miller, seen at the body and lightning rod all night actions, what Town Day Vig isn't going to shoot me in a hurry upon this information being revealed?

 

[.L-]

Cool.

Why did you answer the less substantial of my questions if the one you chose to answer is so simple?

 

[.L-]

Furthermore why wouldn't the DKiller just shoot you at the start of D2 rather than wait for a result that you'd already given us in a preordained fashion? What would the presentation of the result change, at all, other than an outed PR?

 

[Raziek]

I was short on time. Still am, I'll get to it later.

Your last post's question confuses me. Can you clarify exactly what you mean?

 

[.L-]

Raz use your head, it's not that hard to figure out.

(1)miller, seen at the body and lightning rod all night actions, (2)what Town Day Vig isn't going to shoot me in a hurry (3)upon this information being revealed?

You had already released the facts of (1) via your claim. With regard to (2), why wouldn't they just do that as soon as possible upon your claiming as much? What would (3) change to make your need to be killed suddenly the most pressing of all when you had already claimed the relevant information of (1).

You told us you were miller seen at all dead bodies lightning rod etc etc. Why does (2) suddenly happen upon the release of NA as opposed to the instant (or first possible instant) after your claim? NAs would only confirm what you'd already promised.

 

[.L-]

Explaining it made it seem more convoluted, amusingly.

I make no apologies.

 

[Raziek]

I was posing the hypothetical situation in which I DID NOT claim on Day 1.

 

[Asdioh]

D2 Begins! D2 ends at 11:59 PM CST, on Friday, February 1st!

Oh wow really? So we have a little over 48 hours I guess.

 

[Evil Eye]

Very well. I accept your hypotheses and tentatively accept your conclusions.

 

[.L-]

Very well. I accept your hypotheses and tentatively accept your conclusions.

oh SURE I finally drop my lazy EE grammar and mannerisms and get back into slot character and it's in my other ****in browser

unparalleled whackness

 

[Asdioh]

If I'm miller, seen at the body and lightning rod all night actions, what Town Day Vig isn't going to shoot me in a hurry upon this information being revealed?

The ones that don't want themselves/townies to be killed during the Night phase? Whether the vig is town or indy, you're like a safety net to them. If it's really true that mafia can't NK you, then we'll be having no deaths on any night, meaning this guy with the gun is 100% in control of the kills in this game, aside from lynches.

In other words, not shooting you is beneficial to both townvig and indy serial killer. Though he's obviously indy to me because of RR. I'm kinda confused how you're thinking he's town.

 

[Raziek]

I'll need to re-read to see if RR pulled any if his "I'd shoot you right now" tells.

It's also possible that the vig may have to shoot early in the phase, given how fast both shots happened.

 

[Asdioh]

He didn't. As much as I don't want to resort to meta, I've played with RR a bunch of times and feel like I can read him pretty consistently, which is beneficial when he's town. That's why that instant kill was both frustrating and clearly anti-town in my eyes.

 

[Raziek]

Well if necessary I'll cross that bridge when someone claims the kill.

For now I'm not too concerned about trying to read it.

The key thing is, it's definitely not a mafia shot.

 

[Detective Prince.]

All you get from that crumb is PJB thinks he's a tracker. It could be a lie.

I actually think the flavour of the kill seems like town flavour reading it now, but that could be meant to mislead.

"There's only one explanation. YOU HAVE ACQUIRED ATTRIBUTES OF THE DARK GUNDAM WITH THE HELP OF KYOOOOOOOJIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!"

Don't know much about the move itself or the show or the circumstances though. I think suggesting that I'm scum that jumped the gun (excuse my pun here) and shot RR because I was scared of his RVS vote is a bit ridiculous. Also your reasoning that with a townie dead you think it's more reasonable for you to have 2 town reads is also pretty silly. Those factors are completely independent of each other, how are you coming up with that logic?

Sorry AA. I forgot to link this too. Here's the post I was referring to.

 

[.L-]

Raziek answer my earlier query please.

 

[.L-]

@mod: Are you ever going to provide those two final votecounts, and also inform us as to what exactly you have ****ed up? It's been a while yet and the Day is nearing the end.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@mod: Are you ever going to provide those two final votecounts, and also inform us as to what exactly you have ****ed up? It's been a while yet and the Day is nearing the end.

On it now.

The mistakes made were that I accidentally included Kantrip's vote on the count even though I saw his change in vote to Soi and recorded it. Regardless, FML still reached a lynch at four votes.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

While I'm at it, votecount incoming.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

First things first, let's claim this post under the moderator account:

Our spirits are aflame. Can we see the fire, there is nothing that we cannot defeat. And now this hand of mine is burning red. Its loud roar tells me to grasp victory! Take this! My love, my anger, and all of my sorrow! SHINING FINGER!

Kantrip, Xana, Mafia Artificial Intelligence, has been killed.

As clarified prior, it is not a new event.

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Votecount 2.1

PJB: Gheb
Asdioh:
AA:
KevinM:
TBG:
Tery:
Soi:
L:
Raz: Gheb
Gheb: TOM > TBG

Count
Gheb (2): Raz, PJB
TBG (1): Gheb

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! D2 ends at 11:59 PM CST Friday, Feb. 1st!

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Mod Note the First: Errors in D1's final vote count have been corrected. It accurately represents the final lynch now.

Mod Note the Second: Terywj has been prodded. If he does not respond in 24 hours, I will replace him. The phase will likely be extended as a result of this but I make no promises as of now.

Mod Note the Third: The hydra that requested any punishment for FML in the event that he replied out of his hydra made an error and posted out of hydra.

Very well. I accept your hypotheses and tentatively accept your conclusions.

Please point and laugh at least once this day phase at the irony.

Mod Note the Fourth:

who da **** is soi

why do you keep callin em soi

SwordOnIce: The Movie: The Hydra, aka The Roflcopter, aka Xonar Sucks, aka Detective Prince.

 

[Asdioh]

@mod: update the title please, especially with the deadline.

Regardless, FML still reached a lynch at four votes.[/b]

This means it's either timing based, an instant-lynch role, or -- the most likely option -- an execute ability.

In short, if there is scum behind the FML lynch, it is one of Detective Prince/TBG if it's someone on the lynch (their jumps on the wagon were not acceptable). However, it could also be ANYONE ELSE IN THE GAME sending in an execute ability.

Anti lynching TOM

So there you have it. Mafia most likely has an executioner.

Count
FML (5) (<--think it should be 4): Gheb, Soi, L, Kantrip, TBG
Kantrip (1): Asdioh
Soi (1): Kantrip
TBG (1): FML

Kantrip knew this, and changed his vote so he wouldn't seem as suspect. He wasn't expecting to die D2. So I think it's safe to say at least one of the people on the FML lynch is scum.

 

[Asdioh]

Oh, I failed to notice that I was looking at the "unedited version"

Count
FML (4): Gheb, Soi, L, TBG
Kantrip (1): Asdioh
Soi (1): Kantrip
TBG (1): FML

PJB:
AA:
KevinM:
Tery:
Raz:

Truly all these people never voted on Day 1?

 

[.L-]

So I think it's safe to say at least one of the people on the FML lynch is scum.

Fascinating.

Which of the suspects do you find the most logical, Inspector? Which one do you feel is Kira?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Tery is replacing out. Looking for a replacement, will extend the phase once I find one.