Too Much David Bowie mafia - Endgame: A Macabre Shrine of Remains

[Deleted member]

Jokes aside what are your thoughts so far today? Do you have an idea on who we should Lynch (other than bard for forcing people to tell things they might not be ready to tell everyone yet)

You’re saying that me posting a ton of info from my point of view is unnecessary and better left in a notebook, and that I’m coming off as too diplomatic.

Both of these things just seem unnecessary and a tad like FUD; given the content I posted, I actually feel it’s of merit to get people to talk and say what we think about each other. From a third eye, I don’t feel that there is anything inherently wrong with the content I posted or my view points in general. I also have many opinions and view points, especially with respect to FE. Do you disagree with what I said about him?



My big post was serious tho >:[ do you have a current opinion on things? Anyone come off as a scummy scummer to you? I want some hard commitment, I want to be more than “just friends” ;3.

No strong reads just yet but I don't like Kantrip's "let's lynch the one who gets here last" thingy.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Disfunkshunal - Jokingly ISOs soup, jokes about Chrom (who?). Says that outing FBI check targets isn't a bad thing, but maybe they're not sure how it's helpful? The way their post is phrased seems odd. Not scummy per se, but it's built in a manner that suggests both disapproval of people who disagree with outing FBI checks and those that think we should. Their opinion isn't clearly pristine in this regard, or maybe I'm just being a goose. I think they probably agree with doing an FBI check vote more than not. It's still morning for me I guess.

Says my SK game was flawless in Nabe's mafia (but to be fair, and maybe I'm being hard on myself: I won't say it was flawless since I brought on the attention of J near the end) but it was definitely a strong performance (with a little luck given how night actions played out); peeved that you-know-what ruined the integrity of that entire game . Sorry, I always get a little upset when thinking about that game. Anyway, I can see Disfunk being wary (assuming their assessment of my play as the SK in Mayo is fair). I think they are correct in saying that an SK would likely not make the suggestion I have made, but I am also capable of doing this as an SK. But, to be realistic, I really wouldn't do it even if it netted me Town points because the only party it does not benefit is the SK and perhaps the goons (since they will have to chance being killed off by the SK by stating their opinions on who to check.)

Disfunkshunal anyone bother you at the moment?

In regards to the first matter, I don't think anything is lost by everyone cop/doc/kill -ing but I also think that what we gain is trivial. Anyone cleared by this process is only cleared of being one type of scum and will need to be looked at again. To that end, I don't think it makes a difference either way.

I understand the practice in general though -- it's a quick way for everyone to highlight their top reads. Doc == best town read, kill == best scum read, cop == most questionable read without definitive proof. With that, I think the practice is useful to know where people stand. In the games I've observed back here, it's not uncommon for players to use this for that reason, which is why I was unsure of why it's not as popular this time around.

My personal stance: Using it to get an idea of where people stand can be useful but the same, and more, can be accomplished with a comprehensive read list. As a tool for tracking the sk, it's marginally useful.


S Soup
It's not a grievance, I wasn't even in that game More than anything, it's an acknowledgment of skill. I agree that I wish that his post had more value given the length but I understand why he made it. This day has been maddeningly quiet and Bardull's post came off to me as throwing as much info out there as he could in hopes of someone finding something to talk about. I'd argue that even you and him debating over the necessity of his post means that it accomplished its purpose.

To tie this into the question Bardull asked me -- I'm bothered by anyone that hasn't meaningfully contributed yet. That means Maven and Shish. Fire is only marginally better. I feel best (best =/= good) about you, and everyone else is in the middle.

Because very little of value has been said yet, my cop/doc/kill would look like this:

FBI check - Kantrip
Kill - Shish
Doc - N/A

FBI check is pure wifom but I can explain for anyone interested.

Shish - What bothers me about Shish more than Maven is that while Maven has been MIA, Shish has been here more often but hasn't really said anything. Even if we assume that life is keeping Shish's activity low, when he is here, he might as well not be. I understand that there has been little to go on today but Shish hasn't really demonstrated efforts to change that.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

LOL sorry soup. I meant the other our soup, not you.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I understand wanting to be supportive of Maven but I don't think pressuring him with a vote is the right way to make him come out.

Vote: Bardull

I'm tired of reading walls already and he wants to force Maven out of the closet which is not okay

Let's assume Maven doesn't come back for the rest of the phase. Assuming nothing incriminating comes up, are you ok with letting Maven continue in the game and hanging an active player instead?

 

[Deleted member]

Let's assume Maven doesn't come back for the rest of the phase. Assuming nothing incriminating comes up, are you ok with letting Maven continue in the game and hanging an active player instead?

If he's online but not posting here, then yeah, we should hang him. But if not, I know how it sucks to get lynched because you weren't online for reasons outside of the game. Besides, it leaves Maven without a chance to actually defend himself, and considering his inactivity has not become a problem like J was last game, I don't feel comfortable with lynching him.
And it's too much of handling Scum a lynch on a silver platter, lynch the inactive, they have no chance to defend themselves, no chance to contribute to the game, Scum gets off scott free and can justify it with a policy lynch.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Who would you feel comfortable with lynching instead?

 

[Kantrip]

Aw man Bardy I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

I like your push to generate content and get people talking. I just think your wall is a lot of "player x did y" and not a lot of why or what it means.

 

[Kantrip]

@Shishœ Does the fact that I acknowledged that my suggestion is functionally identical to a policy lynch and that I wasn't suggesting it seriously change your thoughts on it at all?

Disfunkshunal Do you take away anything from Fire's reaction to me calling him the SK?

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Nothing immediately stands out about the interaction. The fact that he ignored the accusation until you brought it up a second time tells me that he didn't feel threatened by it. When he did respond, he was level-headed and nonchalant. I've not ruled him out as the sk but nothing about that interaction has so far caused me to look more closely at him as sk.

 

[BarDulL]

If he's online but not posting here, then yeah, we should hang him. But if not, I know how it sucks to get lynched because you weren't online for reasons outside of the game. Besides, it leaves Maven without a chance to actually defend himself, and considering his inactivity has not become a problem like J was last game, I don't feel comfortable with lynching him.
And it's too much of handling Scum a lynch on a silver platter, lynch the inactive, they have no chance to defend themselves, no chance to contribute to the game, Scum gets off scott free and can justify it with a policy lynch.

My vote was a "placeholder"; I don't necessarily know his alignment or anything and obviously it's a gamble to kill him off especially when he hasn't said anything (from my point of view not taking into account reads and what not, there is a 42%, or 3/7 chance of him being scum). He will be a huge problem if he doesn't speak up more though and just give general thoughts. If he's Town, the SK and the goons will just end up using him as lynch fodder later, so I'd rather stir the fire underneath him before it's too late.

The nature of this game requires us all to be a lot more active because we don't necessarily get a guaranteed 3 mislynches; a lot of the set up hinges on what the SK ends up doing. Alternatively, we could've just sat here fingers crossed and let the SK hopefully pick off goons, but I don't think that's the right way to play the set up.

Aw man Bardy I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

I like your push to generate content and get people talking. I just think your wall is a lot of "player x did y" and not a lot of why or what it means.

Ehhh it's fine, I could have cut it down. I guess ultimately what I was trying to make a point of was that it's hard for me to make a determination of alignment based on what has occurred. The only real things I have garnered from closely rereading the last 120~ posts is:

1. FE is likely not to be a goon IMO.
2. We should pressure inactives
3. We should get more people to give their opinions and get some harder commitment. So far, there isn't too much to work with except what can be perceived as joshing and tomfoolery.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, its about that time anyway.

I think I would likely:

FBI Agent Check: GLG

I don't necessarily feel he's scum per se, but I'd want to clear him out of the way as an SK candidate since I think he is capable of scum hunting the goons on the surface while contributing just enough content to get by.

Might change it before deadline, but that's where I'm at right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You’re saying that me posting a ton of info from my point of view is unnecessary and better left in a notebook, and that I’m coming off as too diplomatic.

Both of these things just seem unnecessary and a tad like FUD; given the content I posted, I actually feel it’s of merit to get people to talk and say what we think about each other. From a third eye, I don’t feel that there is anything inherently wrong with the content I posted or my view points in general. I also have many opinions and view points, especially with respect to FE. Do you disagree with what I said about him?



My big post was serious tho >:[ do you have a current opinion on things? Anyone come off as a scummy scummer to you? I want some hard commitment, I want to be more than “just friends” ;3.

Initially I was about to grill FE for his own discrepancies but then realized it was just me being stupid and misreading his intentions, so it didn't go anywhere. Your comments about FE didn't make me feel strongly one way or the other because it's evident we prioritize different things. I feel that your post was a lot of posturing but if memory serves me that just tends to be a "you" thing which is far harder to incriminate you for. I don't want to dismiss this immediately however, so let's leave it at IGEMOU.

Spoiler

if anything I was shocked when Kantrip criticized you for your wall you submitted which was uh..very humble and something I'm not used to seeing

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Is shish normally this reactive? There's a lot of gumption in his posts but I dunno what it all means. I had an initial tone town-read but I am eerily reminded to the time he jumped onto Seph with such ferocity and then eventually fizzled out.

I'm OK with Funk/GLG and then everyone else could be further discussed. There's something that I'm keeping to myself for now but I'll reveal more if it becomes relevant

 

[giraffelasergun]

For FBI check I would go with funk or fire since they both are in the category where they have talked more about mechanical than actual reads, which makes it always a dangerous person to let go by unnoticed

I’m still leaning toward a shish lynch or maven lynch. Maven might just be busy though, but I still don’t like that his only post seems to be a flavor post. I’ve been having a bit of a halloweekend so far but I’m hoping to spend a good hour tonight around 9ish central to really sit down and read and hammer down some more solid reads.

 

[Kantrip]

I would prob FBI check Bardull if I had to pick. With glg on the side.

 

[BarDulL]

I feel that your post was a lot of posturing but if memory serves me that just tends to be a "you" thing

>:[

I think we've all changed a lot since the old days, my guy. I am a much more humbler person than I was before like 5-6 years ago.

That said, me posting that massive gargantuan wall was not posturing. I'm just trying to move things in a better direction. Not sure if what I just said comes off as posturing, I'm just explaining why I did it.

I would prob FBI check Bardull if I had to pick. With glg on the side.

Curious to know your thoughts regarding myself/GLG in terms of being possible SKs.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Sorry it took forever for me to respond, 8 hour work shifts can be killer sometimes.

How do you feel about Bardull then in that exchange? It's always hard for me to read mech talk so I try and force my indomitable will onto others to talk about things are beneficial to me

Anyways, I felt neutral about it given it's mostly mechanical talk, but as stated I mostly focused on Kant's response as it challenges his thought process. It at least shows he cares about the direction the game heads toward.

I'm not sure what to think of Bard's wall afterwards though, could be him trying to gain town cred just by recapping the few things that happened in the first couple of hours. Bard as an SK in Mayo mafia tended to use walls to his advantage gaining him a lot of town cred during the early and mid game. So I think he's a good candidate for the FBI check. Though Bard tends to typically play like this in general so it's not a huge suspicion of mine.

 

[Kantrip]

At a tourney right now so don't wanna post a bunch on my phone, but here briefly.

BarDulL My impression is that SK wants to look as townie as possible and Mafia wants to be middle of the road to avoid being the SK's target. Of the more active posters yours and glg's alignments are the most up in the air for me and if you're scum I see SK more than Mafia.

 

[giraffelasergun]

2. We should pressure inactives
3. We should get more people to give their opinions and get some harder commitment. So far, there isn't too much to work with except what can be perceived as joshing and tomfoolery.

Yeah that's what kind of worries me about this day one, we're 14(?) hours away from deadline and we have no real solid lynch candidate yet. Also playing an 8 person game is confusing to me because I was about to talk about connections we could get from lynching someone but there are only two people who are knowingly aligned with someone, and with how little two person interactions their have been this game that wouldn't work.

#HBC | ѕoup Kantrip Disfunkshunal Who do you guys want to lynch most out of Fire, Bard, Maven? I trust the three of you guys the most so I'm most curious to see where you're guys heads our at.

BarDulL Fire Emblemier @Shishœ Who do you guys want to lynch? I know Bard is currently voting for Maven but he originally said that was a pressure vote, and Shish is voting for Bard?

For now I'll Vote:Fire but if people would rather do Maven or Bard i'm cool with either.

also i hate day one so so so so much.

 

[Moydow]

Announcement:
@Shishœ has been replaced by #HBC | Nabe .

13 hours and 45 minutes remain in this phase.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Yeah that's what kind of worries me about this day one, we're 14(?) hours away from deadline and we have no real solid lynch candidate yet. Also playing an 8 person game is confusing to me because I was about to talk about connections we could get from lynching someone but there are only two people who are knowingly aligned with someone, and with how little two person interactions their have been this game that wouldn't work.

#HBC | ѕoup Kantrip Disfunkshunal Who do you guys want to lynch most out of Fire, Bard, Maven? I trust the three of you guys the most so I'm most curious to see where you're guys heads our at.

BarDulL Fire Emblemier @Shishœ Who do you guys want to lynch? I know Bard is currently voting for Maven but he originally said that was a pressure vote, and Shish is voting for Bard?

For now I'll Vote:Fire but if people would rather do Maven or Bard i'm cool with either.

also i hate day one so so so so much.

Out of the 2 you mentioned since I'm excluding myself, I would go with Maven.
Bard at the moment is leaning more towards SK than goon if he's scum imo, which means I would rather him be checked as if he's town he's more of an asset for us being alive than dead. If he comes up guilty than we got the sk down by n2.
Maven on the other hand hasn't had much of a presence in the thread and I'm unsure if his availability in the thread will improve. No fault of his if its due to IRL responsibilities though. Being inactive in itself is scummy.

Welcome Nabe!

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I'm going to stay unvoted for now to hear others opinions and also receive feedback. Though it's looking like maven currently.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

This is a good list.

 

[Moydow]

Current vote count (as of post #143):

• Maven89: 1 (BarDulL)
• BarDulL: 2 (Maven89, #HBC | Nabe)
• Fire Emblemier: 2 (Kantrip, giraffelasergun)

Not currently voting: Disfunkshunal, Fire Emblemier, #HBC | ѕoup

13 hours and 33 minutes remain in this phase. posting this now because I need sleep
With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Spoiler

if anything I was shocked when Kantrip criticized you for your wall you submitted which was uh..very humble and something I'm not used to seeing

Nintenzone softened Bard

Also with Nabe replacing in I'm pretty sure this is a Dgames veterans game now

 

[BarDulL]

Announcement:
@Shishœ has been replaced by #HBC | Nabe .

13 hours and 45 minutes remain in this phase.

At a tourney right now so don't wanna post a bunch on my phone, but here briefly.

BarDulL My impression is that SK wants to look as townie as possible and Mafia wants to be middle of the road to avoid being the SK's target. Of the more active posters yours and glg's alignments are the most up in the air for me and if you're scum I see SK more than Mafia.

Hmmmm well I'll give you my viewpoint on it. In Mayo Clinic, I played the way I did because there were 5 docs. Ergo, it made sense for me to be alive all the way until end-game playing as townie as I did because people would think that I was simply protected by a doctor the entire time, when in reality I was a BP SK. Pun intended kinda but it made for a bulletproof alibi. However, in this game if I were the SK, obviously I wouldn't have the same alibi as I did in Mayo Clinic if I were to play really townie, so I'd have to take that into consideration. Very different set up, won't say more on that end. I mean if you guys want to check me though, you can, but I'm not advocating for it because I'm def coming up clean.

Yeah that's what kind of worries me about this day one, we're 14(?) hours away from deadline and we have no real solid lynch candidate yet. Also playing an 8 person game is confusing to me because I was about to talk about connections we could get from lynching someone but there are only two people who are knowingly aligned with someone, and with how little two person interactions their have been this game that wouldn't work.

#HBC | ѕoup Kantrip Disfunkshunal Who do you guys want to lynch most out of Fire, Bard, Maven? I trust the three of you guys the most so I'm most curious to see where you're guys heads our at.

BarDulL Fire Emblemier @Shishœ Who do you guys want to lynch? I know Bard is currently voting for Maven but he originally said that was a pressure vote, and Shish is voting for Bard?

For now I'll Vote:Fire but if people would rather do Maven or Bard i'm cool with either.

also i hate day one so so so so much.

If I get lynched, y'all better explain why aside from FUD and meta >:[ I'm tryin' to oil up this game and people are lickin' their chops while seeing the Bard postin' and movin' his mouf.

But uh, I'm just in the dark as you. I'm up for whatever the heck Town wants to do. It's a 42% shot from the Town's point of view. Some slots don't really have hard commitment (FE/Maven/Nabe(can't blame him much for this but it is what it is)). Some people think I'm trying to mastermind an SK run part 2, all sorts of other stuff that's not true but I can't really disprove with any certainty and can't tell if it's me just legitimately coming off as sus. Unfortunately this is more than just 1-2 people who seem to feel this way, so obviously some townies are reading me incorrectly while some may be scum trying to get a D1 Bard lynch for sweet giggles.

I mean, if you wanted a HARD answer right now, ehhh I'd be fine with FE and Maven, MAYBE Nabe but it really depends on what Nabe comes up with. If FE truly did non-goon slip (I think he did but I could be wrong), then statistically he is less likely to flip scum (1/7 as opposed to 3/7). Maven's a complete shot in the dark.

Anyway, I THINK I can be here before deadline tomorrow. I'm supposed to be at work though so I can't make any promises, but I'll try to sneak some posts in while submitting journal entries.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, people should still give their cop check targets. We're 3/8! Thanks bros.

 

[Kantrip]

I'll be asleep at deadline so my vote is gonna be rigid once I go to bed.

To respond to Bardull: I don't know anything about other recent games, and I'm not really worried about using meta. The SK in this game doesn't have to worry about dying from any source other than a lynch. They want to avoid being copped so it benefits them to look as townie as possible, and then if they aren't being killed despite being super townie they can just hand-wave that as a WIFOM argument. I don't think saying "as SK I wouldn't want to seem this townie" is a reasonable defense, but I'm not too worried about it. Again I think you're a great FBI target because I value what you're bringing to the game and don't want to lynch you at this time, but I get a flag from the amount of empty content I detect in your larger posts enough to want to look into them.

I'd be down to lynch Maven or Fire, I suppose. I don't feel like we got very much out of the Day phase but c'est la vie I guess.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I'm going to go against the grain and say that if Bardull is scum, he's more likely to be mafia than sk.

Giraffe:

Maven > Fire > Bardull

Maven - it really bothers me that this slot has huge question mark over it. As it currently stands, this slot is either dead weight at best or a silent threat at worst. In the absence of a strong lead, I'm willing to take this gamble.

Fire - since today has been pretty slow, this ordering is heavily affected by how each of these players have contributed as opposed to hard evidence. With that, Fire hasn't really done anything to make him stand out to me as scum but he also doesn't stand out to me as town. He's been here and he has contributed and offered his thoughts but he seems to be doing the minimum compared to the other active players. I also don't buy his bard as sk reasoning. He says sk Bardull used walls often but then also says that Bardull always uses wall, regardless of his alignment. The post was technically a contribution but are we any further along because of it?

Bardull - as I mentioned before, I'm wary of him but it's based more on a gut feeling and proven player adeptness than it is on solid evidence. I'd much rather let him live another day and observe him more carefully than hang him because I know he's a good player.

Nintenzone softened Bard

Also with Nabe replacing in I'm pretty sure this is a Dgames veterans game now

Yeah, it's been a while since it's just been us.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

For FBI check I would go with funk

#HBC | ѕoup #HBC | ѕoup Kantrip Kantrip Disfunkshunal Disfunkshunal Who do you guys want to lynch most out of Fire, Bard, Maven? I trust the three of you guys the most so I'm most curious to see where you're guys heads our at.

Can you explain this to me?

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Actually, also, instead of me just talking about it, Fire Emblemier what pushes you to consider that Bardull might be scum this time around because of walls if "he generally uses walls"?

Finally, for now -- vote: maven

I'm going to be at work at deadline but I'll do my best to check in.

 

[BarDulL]

I’m confused about Shish replacing tbh. Hard defend on Maven, then replaces out. Hmmm.

I'll be asleep at deadline so my vote is gonna be rigid once I go to bed.

To respond to Bardull: I don't know anything about other recent games, and I'm not really worried about using meta. The SK in this game doesn't have to worry about dying from any source other than a lynch. They want to avoid being copped so it benefits them to look as townie as possible, and then if they aren't being killed despite being super townie they can just hand-wave that as a WIFOM argument. I don't think saying "as SK I wouldn't want to seem this townie" is a reasonable defense, but I'm not too worried about it. Again I think you're a great FBI target because I value what you're bringing to the game and don't want to lynch you at this time, but I get a flag from the amount of empty content I detect in your larger posts enough to want to look into them.

I'd be down to lynch Maven or Fire, I suppose. I don't feel like we got very much out of the Day phase but c'est la vie I guess.

Is it wrong that I find you scummy for this? You were in Mayo Clinic.

The whole point of my large post was to get people to talk, and you did not go out of your way to get much done like I did. Yet you are complaining about the underlined as though it wasn’t something you could do something about; even if content in my large post was superfluous to some degree, it was not inherently wrong to post it. This hand-waving is just too weird.

Vote: Kantrip

 

[BarDulL]

Maybe there is a degree of in my last vote, but now you guys are voting for the same person I was voting for while trying to get peeps to talk. Just feels like hypocrisy mixed with a bad excuse to lower me on the totem pole.

Can’t say I’m fond of the general gameplay here and the teaming up of some of the players.

 

[BarDulL]

Whatever, I have to get to work. Do what you guys want, guess we’ll see what happens.

 

[BarDulL]

Maven89 look man, sorry I had to hand you a verbal warning and whatnot, but even if you come in and state your opinion, at least you’re doing something for your slot. There’s only 5.5 hours left.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Actually, also, instead of me just talking about it, Fire Emblemier what pushes you to consider that Bardull might be scum this time around because of walls if "he generally uses walls"?

Finally, for now -- vote: maven

I'm going to be at work at deadline but I'll do my best to check in.

I'm mostly reminded of simliar play from Nabe's mayo mafia which is why I'm not certain on it and why I would prefer a check on him as its not really evidence enough to lynch him.

vote maven

 

[giraffelasergun]

If I get lynched, y'all better explain why aside from FUD and meta >:[ I'm tryin' to oil up this game and people are lickin' their chops while seeing the Bard postin' and movin' his mouf.

But uh, I'm just in the dark as you. I'm up for whatever the heck Town wants to do. It's a 42% shot from the Town's point of view. Some slots don't really have hard commitment (FE/Maven/Nabe(can't blame him much for this but it is what it is)). Some people think I'm trying to mastermind an SK run part 2, all sorts of other stuff that's not true but I can't really disprove with any certainty and can't tell if it's me just legitimately coming off as sus. Unfortunately this is more than just 1-2 people who seem to feel this way, so obviously some townies are reading me incorrectly while some may be scum trying to get a D1 Bard lynch for sweet giggles.

I mean, if you wanted a HARD answer right now, ehhh I'd be fine with FE and Maven, MAYBE Nabe but it really depends on what Nabe comes up with. If FE truly did non-goon slip (I think he did but I could be wrong), then statistically he is less likely to flip scum (1/7 as opposed to 3/7). Maven's a complete shot in the dark.

Anyway, I THINK I can be here before deadline tomorrow. I'm supposed to be at work though so I can't make any promises, but I'll try to sneak some posts in while submitting journal entries.

If you want me to be completely real with you, for me at least, there's nothing you have done that I would say is overtly scummy or anti-town. I can't make a wall on you because you haven't done anything I would say is way over the top, I just don't have a read on you. Judging by the fact that you want to cop me as well I'm imagine I'm in a similar boat to you as you are to me. There are at least two people who I want to lynch before you but I know that you're someone that the people who I'm town reading want to lynch so I threw your name in that group just to see if they would rather lynch the people I want to lynch over you. My main interest is figuring out who is or isn't SK and I think you're not mafia, either SK or town.

Soup's push on you for posting too much does feel a little forced and I might be over simplifying his argument but from a slot outside of you and him it does just feel like he's saying because you are trying to look town you're not town.

Disfunkshunal In why I want to cop you but I also trust you. I really don't think you're mafia, I think you're town or SK.

#HBC | Nabe Do you have reads at all? Shish didn't leave us much to work with so I'm hoping you can provide some insight today.

Overall I think Fire is a better lynch today than Maven because Maven just seems to be ignoring the game and (maybe) Maven will get subbed and then a person can come into the slot that we can actually read. Fire would at least give us some insight going into tomorrow. I think they are tied right now so I would be willing to switch to Maven at deadline to avoid tie breaker shenanigans.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm gonna be completely real with you GLG.

I think Soup and Kantrip are going to get us killed.

Maybe this comes off as an OMGUS, and I'm trying REALLY hard not to OMGUS, but their attempts at teaming up to undermine my authority and presence when I was the only one visibly trying to get anything done is just super scummy and anti-town. Soup sat in an arm-chair while pointing out the flaws in my play, meanwhile Kantrip backed him up on this but then he didn't actually do anything to scum hunt. They're both not actively trying to get anything done.

Like, fine, throw the cop check that my way if it that's what it takes to get over the FUD that has been brought onto my slot, but that doesn't change the fact that their game play is just...like they have not seriously engaged anyone or gotten anything done while calling out my game play for being superfluous. There is no sense of urgency from either of them to get anything done considering the circumstances. Maybe this comes off as "gross" from me or whatever but that is legitimately how I feel about it.

The problem is that we have two completely unreadable slots which I KNEW was going to be a problem right from the start with Maven, and people got on my case about it for voting for him.

I'm gonna be a salt lord prolly for the rest of this phase unless we lynch scum, sorry boys. That said, I would be down for Kantrip, Soup, or FE, but so long as those AFK slots aren't contributing, I feel like there's just no way to actually make things move the way they need to move. They really need to come through.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I'm gonna be completely real with you GLG.

I think Soup and Kantrip are going to get us killed.

Maybe this comes off as an OMGUS, and I'm trying REALLY hard not to OMGUS, but their attempts at teaming up to undermine my authority and presence when I was the only one visibly trying to get anything done is just super scummy and anti-town. Soup sat in an arm-chair while pointing out the flaws in my play, meanwhile Kantrip backed him up on this but then he didn't actually do anything to scum hunt. They're both not actively trying to get anything done.

Honestly in a set up where almost half of the players are anti-town any synergy between two players seems suspicious. And I think I didn't pay attention to that because I was focusing on Maven/Shish/Fire. But tbh my gripes with Fire might be more just how they play and I'm making a big deal out of nothing and now I'm really in my head. Soup's not even voting which isn't a good look to me rn. I'm going to post a new vote count mostly for my own benefit but everyone else can see it.

Maven89: 2 (Disfunkshunal, Fire)
BarDulL: 2 (Maven89, #HBC | Nabe)
Fire Emblemier: 2 (Kantrip, giraffelasergun
Kantrip: 1 (Bard)

It seems like everyone's head is everywhere right now which seems pretty par for the course where this game is going.

I can go Fire or Maven today but I don't think Maven is the play. I'm going to do a quick reread(also do something for work real fast) but I might be willing to do Kantrip but **** my head is everywhere I hate mafia.

 

[Moydow]

Current vote count (as of post #159):

• Maven89: 2 (Disfunkshunal, Fire Emblemier)
• Kantrip: 1 (BarDulL)
• BarDulL: 2 (Maven89, #HBC | Nabe)
• Fire Emblemier: 2 (Kantrip, giraffelasergun)

Not currently voting: #HBC | ѕoup

2 hours remain in this phase.
With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.