Too Much David Bowie mafia - Endgame: A Macabre Shrine of Remains

[Fire Emblemier]

I like everyone who has posted so far except Maven because he broke the rules and made a mod have to warn him which is super scummy. I'd move my vote to him if I hadn't already caught the SK in Fire. I agree with soup's gut feel on Shish.

Why would I bring me up my own flavor if I was the SK, I just thought it was a random thing I thought would be funny thing to point out. There are tons of bowie references and puns you can put in here, that I don't think it's fair to say that I hinted at being scum role.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I will admit that I skimmed before I posted and after having Kantrip highlight your example, it makes sense to me. But it is worth noting that, as he points out, it only clears players from being the sk. Everyone clear will need to be reevlauted for scum tells. To that end, if we're going with the mindset that scum is scum, the distinction the fbi checks give us is not entirely useful.

I don't mind doing a round of Cop/Doc/Kill instead though if that's what people prefer, lol. Basically the same thing without the added bonus of being able to follow the trail of the FBI Agent if he dies.

How do you lose the bonus? Sticking with the example you used above:

Day 1
Player X:

• Cop - player a
• Doc - player b
• Kill - player c

Day 2
Player X:

• Cop - player b
• Doc - player c
• Kill - player d

Day 3
Player X turns up dead and flips FBI. We can assume player a is not sk

My point was that I don't see why your idea is getting a worse reception than cop/doc/kill normally does.

 

[BarDulL]

Agreed. The FBI check only counters the SK, not the goons.

Re: Doc/Cop/Kill, I was interpreting the Cop as being a standard alignment check as opposed to the FBI check. I.E., the bonus is lost if we assume that the FBI agent isn’t intentionally trailing his targets while doing doc/cop/kill.

That said, I will let them answer your other question, there’s no need for me to answer for them, lol.

 

[BarDulL]

I mean, we can do a “goon check” vote as well. Perhaps a general “alignment check” vote is better as opposed to the specified FBI check.

BBL

 

[BarDulL]

Back, and back to scum hunting. We can talk more about cop/doc/marry at midday if we want.

Maven89 giraffelasergun Fire Emblemier @Shishœ anything stick out to you as scummy? General opinion on things? Anyone make your heart pump the way mine does when I see a freshly baked chocolate brownie?

 

[Kantrip]

Why would I bring me up my own flavor if I was the SK, I just thought it was a random thing I thought would be funny thing to point out. There are tons of bowie references and puns you can put in here, that I don't think it's fair to say that I hinted at being scum role.

I think it was a funny thing to point out too. Got a chuckle out of me.

 

[Kantrip]

Let's lynch the last one of the four Bardull tagged to respond to him, who's in?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why would I bring me up my own flavor if I was the SK, I just thought it was a random thing I thought would be funny thing to point out. There are tons of bowie references and puns you can put in here, that I don't think it's fair to say that I hinted at being scum role.

Spoiler

Do you really think Kantrip is being serious

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Back, and back to scum hunting. We can talk more about cop/doc/marry at midday if we want.

Maven89 giraffelasergun Fire Emblemier @Shishœ anything stick out to you as scummy? General opinion on things? Anyone make your heart pump the way mine does when I see a freshly baked chocolate brownie?

Well nothing really springs to mind currently but we are only in the first few hours, so things we'll change hopefully. I do feel that Kantrip come off as town at the moment.
The only thing that makes my heart pump like brownies is other food, nice try though.

Spoiler

Do you really think Kantrip is being serious

Sarcasm detection on the internet isn't really my strongsuit especially in a game of mafia.

 

[Kantrip]

I tried to come off as jovial enough, sorry if it seemed like a serious accusation.

I want the indy to be a Bowie Constrictor, personally.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well nothing really springs to mind currently but we are only in the first few hours, so things we'll change hopefully. I do feel that Kantrip come off as town at the moment.
The only thing that makes my heart pump like brownies is other food, nice try though.

Sarcasm detection on the internet isn't really my strongsuit especially in a game of mafia.

Interested why you're quick to assume Kantrip town if you were under the impression that his pressure was legitimate.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Interested why you're quick to assume Kantrip town if you were under the impression that his pressure was legitimate.

I'm not one to OMGUS, for one. Mostly, I felt he's brought up solid counterpoints such as thinking its best not to pick who would you look at if you are fbi agent due to the amount of wine it will bring. Sure he started to change his mind afterwards but I felt his critique was solid.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm not one to OMGUS, for one. Mostly, I felt he's brought up solid counterpoints such as thinking its best not to pick who would you look at if you are fbi agent due to the amount of wine it will bring. Sure he started to change his mind afterwards but I felt his critique was solid.

I don't think he was meaning to critique you though, what points did he exactly bring up that you thought were good if his intentions were not even meant to alarm you?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Wait I'm not sure I'm reading your response right on second glance, you're talking about the Bardull/Kantrip talk about FBI agent yeah?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Wait I'm not sure I'm reading your response right on second glance, you're talking about the Bardull/Kantrip talk about FBI agent yeah?

Yeah that's what I'm talking about.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Back, and back to scum hunting. We can talk more about cop/doc/marry at midday if we want.

Maven89 giraffelasergun Fire Emblemier @Shishœ anything stick out to you as scummy? General opinion on things? Anyone make your heart pump the way mine does when I see a freshly baked chocolate brownie?

I'm back and I did not have as much grape juice as I intended so I'm going to make a post right now.
For now, I'm townreading soup. He seems to be really interested in generating discussion and is trying to move the day forward. I'm cool with you too.
Kantrip is also on my town lean list because I agree that naming cop targets just generates a **** ton of wifom into this game that I'm worried with how little night action info we receive we'll focus too much on who said they'd target who when but also maybe that's how we find the sk but there's two people outside of the sk we need to find too so idk man I'm thinking too hard.
Disfunkshunal also seems to be trying to generate discussion and he made an Arrested Development reference earlier so I'm cool with him(that's not a game related thing I just didn't want it to go unnoticed)
I know it's only 12 hours into the day but I haven't seen any real solid content from Shish or Maven so I'm more likely to go in either of those directions. Fire is slightly above them.

So if I had to rank it I'd probably go:
Town:
Soup
Bard
Disfunkshunal
Kantrip
Fire
Shish
Maven.

Also for the burning desire question I could really go for a honey butter chicken biscuit. If you're asking who my crush is then maybe I'll tell you when I'm older.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah that's what I'm talking about.

How do you feel about Bardull then in that exchange? It's always hard for me to read mech talk so I try and force my indomitable will onto others to talk about things are beneficial to me

 

[Deleted member]

I like the idea of us saying who we'd Cop but should we do that before or after we throw out votes?

 

[Disfunkshunal]

How do you feel about Bardull then in that exchange? It's always hard for me to read mech talk so I try and force my indomitable will onto others to talk about things are beneficial to me

I can answer this.

Bardull obviously played a flawless game as sk in Nabe's mafia proving that he is very capable of playing as a town-disguised sk. Because of that, I'm very wary of him in general, irrespective of what he's posted so far. That said, I'm not yet getting sk vibes from his this game. I'm going to have to spike this post with a least a little wine by saying that I highly doubt the sk would bring up the idea of everyone claiming who'd they cop in the thread to ultimately clear players. Not only did he bring up the idea but he mildly fought for it as well. It would be suicide for the sk to bring up the idea, when no one else was thinking about it, and then it try to convince others that it's a good idea. It makes the most sense for a townie or mafioso to bring up the idea since it helps both of them by removing night kills and by gaining them townie points.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I can answer this too**

 

[Moydow]

Current vote count (as of post #100):

• Shishœ: 1 (giraffelasergun)
• giraffelasergun: 2 (Shishœ, #HBC | ѕoup)
• Kantrip: 1 (BarDulL)
• BarDulL: 1 (Maven89)
• Fire Emblemier: 1 (Kantrip)

Not currently voting: Disfunkshunal, Fire Emblemier

exactly the same as the last one :p

24 hours remain in this phase.
Majority lynch begins now! With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

 

[BarDulL]

@Shishœ maybe in 4 hours or sometime before the end of the day phase. I'm not really being rigid about it. Whenever people want to.

Anyway, even though it's just D1, I'm going to give my understanding of things. I guess now I know how Koops felt when he was ISO'ing on D1, lul. Given the fast and quick nature of the game, I figure it's a good idea for me to come clean with my thoughts so as to help identify who our lynch target should be. I don't really expect to live another day, and goons aren't incentivized to get the crowd talking.

Order of appearance:

GLG - Makes an RVS vote on Shish. Jokingly claims Soup/Shish must be scum together in response to Soups "wagon" vote on GLG. Opts to interact with Disfunkshunal and Fire Emblemier in his next post; curious to know the specifics of Disfunk/FE being chosen (as opposed to Maven or other roster members for instance) but I don't think the answer itself would yield anything pertinent; it's not something that would root scum.

Says he did not have as much grape juice as intended (hopefully he had more than enough as opposed to too little :V). Is Town reading soup, myself, Disfunk, and Kantrip. I actually don't fundamentally disagree with his list except that I think Soup/Kantrip haven't really gotten their hands dirty yet. I don't necessarily disagree with their "tones" though except maybe Soup's to a small degree (specifically referring to when Soup phrased my recent game play as mech talk).

Shish - Jokingly "OMGUS" votes GLG. Claims Soup is clearly bussing Giraffe, and that Soup/GLG have to be the goon pair. Likes a lot of posts; is he perhaps trying to slide into these DMs on a slippery, buttery surface? (To be fair though, I also am a fan of liking posts). Shish questions FE's logic; this post reads to me as Shish/FE likely not being paired as goons. Hasn't voiced an opinion on who may be scum as of yet.

Soup - Votes GLG and states "wagon." Posts a funny RVS gif lol. States he thinks Shish is Town based on the tone of Shish's posts (does he really think this, though? It's pretty early in the game to call a Town read, but maybe that's also a part of Soup's RVS play? It would be easy to pivot one way or the other for him). Says no one is pinging him as scum at his #62, agrees that we should be hunting scum regardless of whether it's an SK or a goon (aka disagreement with FE). Is generally in disagreement about picking cop targets. I'm not sure how to read into the intent of #97; "mech talk" is generally construed as distracting and gets in the way of scum hunting (all in all, mech talk has a negative stigma if it goes on for too long, so perhaps he is not as content with my slot as perhaps others are?).

#HBC | ѕoup do you still think Shish is Town? Current thoughts?

Disfunkshunal - Jokingly ISOs soup, jokes about Chrom (who?). Says that outing FBI check targets isn't a bad thing, but maybe they're not sure how it's helpful? The way their post is phrased seems odd. Not scummy per se, but it's built in a manner that suggests both disapproval of people who disagree with outing FBI checks and those that think we should. Their opinion isn't clearly pristine in this regard, or maybe I'm just being a goose. I think they probably agree with doing an FBI check vote more than not. It's still morning for me I guess.

Says my SK game was flawless in Nabe's mafia (but to be fair, and maybe I'm being hard on myself: I won't say it was flawless since I brought on the attention of J near the end) but it was definitely a strong performance (with a little luck given how night actions played out); peeved that you-know-what ruined the integrity of that entire game . Sorry, I always get a little upset when thinking about that game. Anyway, I can see Disfunk being wary (assuming their assessment of my play as the SK in Mayo is fair). I think they are correct in saying that an SK would likely not make the suggestion I have made, but I am also capable of doing this as an SK. But, to be realistic, I really wouldn't do it even if it netted me Town points because the only party it does not benefit is the SK and perhaps the goons (since they will have to chance being killed off by the SK by stating their opinions on who to check.)

Disfunkshunal anyone bother you at the moment?

Fire Emblemier - Makes a list identifying the most townie lords and the most scummy lords to use in a confirmation post (Hector isn't that bad though, come on bruh. ARMADS bruh!). He makes an interesting statement in #44 where he states we should be focused on the SK as opposed to the goons, which I don't really agree with; scum is scum, and it's not like we shouldn't be trying to figure out who the goons are as well.

Oh, I forgot Corrin. Probably cause that hydra is sooo inactive. I'm leaning mafia though because of that

Anyways, I was looking at the set up, theory crafting and we basically win day 1 if we lynch the SK. Its a 1/8 chance, so basically a shot in the dark.
Our next most likely chance of winning is if on n1 we bingo the sk. Doesn't matter who is lynched or killed as if a townie is lynched and another nk'd we still have the majority no matter what. 5-3 townies versus to 2-0 mafia and a SK.
This also means mafia can only win at its earliest D3. D4 if a goon dies.
Overall this makes me feel the gameplan is to hunt the SK first and foremost. If on d2 we mislynch we must lynch the mafia d3 even if the agent gets a sk bingo. Cause we would lose since mafia would be the majority.

I really thought I specifically read a rule that stated SK death would end the game. Guess I was mistaken due to the goons having no nk.

Based on these two posts, I don't feel that Fire Emblemier is a goon. The ladder look like a non-goon slip, which might come off as weird of me to say this because it's almost as though he is trying to deflect attention from the goons in pursuit of the SK, but I don't think his post was manufactured with that kind of intent in mind. So, in my mind, the question is whether or not FE is an SK.

#81 is a seemingly serious response to Kantrip joking about having caught FE as the SK; FE cites self-meta as a reason for why he would likely not

Maven - Posts a picture of James Bowie, jokingly talks about stuff that I had to poke him for :V, votes for me in what seems like an OMGUS to my warning (sorry bud, global rules and all). Nothing else to speak of from his slot. The SK likely isn't going to kill him, so Maven will inevitably be a burden if he doesn't get his hands dirty in the thread at some point.

Kantrip - States that Soup is basically "asking to get votes on himself." Votes for FE in his #58 and points out that he thinks FE might be the SK; this interaction makes me think Kantrip and FE aren't paired either even though it's fairly joke-ish in nature, but I concede this is a quick-hop to a degree. Moving on, Kantrip states he feels that cop targets might not be a good idea because of WIFOM that is introduced. I disagree with this, but I don't find Kantrip scummy for it; as I mentioned earlier, I don't feel that the SK would based their kill off FBI agent selections, and Town likely won't read into kills with sole focus on the FBI agent checks. Anyway, Kantrip realizes that a trailing cop check could be beneficial. Hasn't voted seriously yet. I don't really have a problem with his tone, but I am curious to hear more hard opinions from him.

In General:

Want to see peeps voice who they think is a goose in our midst. Want everyone in general to give some direction. Currently leaning towards swinging to inactives on policy but wouldn't do that if they give an opinion soon. Would be interested in hearing who people think are paired with each other. Just more content in general.

 

[BarDulL]

Finishing my thoughts on FE because I forgot to do it (EBWOP):

Based on these two posts, I don't feel that Fire Emblemier is a goon. The ladder look like a non-goon slip, which might come off as weird of me to say this because it's almost as though he is trying to deflect attention from the goons in pursuit of the SK, but I don't think his post was manufactured with that kind of intent in mind. So, in my mind, the question is whether or not FE is an SK.

#81 is a seemingly serious response to Kantrip joking about having caught FE as the SK; FE cites self-meta as a reason for why he would likely not bring this up as an SK. I'm not sure how to read into this.

 

[BarDulL]

Unvote
Vote: Maven

Placeholder until Maven comes out.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I dunno why you made that wall and defaulted to someone who essentially hasn't done anything read-worthy

Furthermore, I'm not really seeing any hard stance in your wall just a lot of conjecture

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I can answer this.

Bardull obviously played a flawless game as sk in Nabe's mafia proving that he is very capable of playing as a town-disguised sk. Because of that, I'm very wary of him in general, irrespective of what he's posted so far. That said, I'm not yet getting sk vibes from his this game. I'm going to have to spike this post with a least a little wine by saying that I highly doubt the sk would bring up the idea of everyone claiming who'd they cop in the thread to ultimately clear players. Not only did he bring up the idea but he mildly fought for it as well. It would be suicide for the sk to bring up the idea, when no one else was thinking about it, and then it try to convince others that it's a good idea. It makes the most sense for a townie or mafioso to bring up the idea since it helps both of them by removing night kills and by gaining them townie points.

I don't know if Bardull has changed his playstyle over the course of time but I try not to rely on past greivances to determine alignment. Right now I agree that I'm wary because he is very diplomatic in the way he's approaching the game right now for me. Suggesting theories and offering insight is all well and good but for me personally I don't find it's constructive nor often townie if those means do not come to fruition in some sort of way. Reading his recent post I do not understand why he made such a fuss if he did not reach any conclusions on those who attributed to his stance, because to me if you're town and you are always under the assumption of posting in it's best interest, you should be a little biased about what you bring up and how others act towards it. He didn't really tell me anything besides what could be footnotes about people best left in a notepad outside of the game

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My vote on GLG is kinda worthless, in hindsight if I were making a base comparison the way GLG presented reads looked far better than Bardull as it seemed less concerned on the presentation of said reads

Unvote

 

[Deleted member]

Unvote
Vote: Maven

Placeholder until Maven comes out.

I understand wanting to be supportive of Maven but I don't think pressuring him with a vote is the right way to make him come out.

Vote: Bardull

I'm tired of reading walls already and he wants to force Maven out of the closet which is not okay

 

[giraffelasergun]

Let's lynch the last one of the four Bardull tagged to respond to him, who's in?

When I initially read this post I thought you were joking, but in all honesty if we don’t have anyone who actually looks scummy I don’t think this is a terrible idea for a day one Lynch.

 

[BarDulL]

I understand wanting to be supportive of Maven but I don't think pressuring him with a vote is the right way to make him come out.

Vote: Bardull

I'm tired of reading walls already and he wants to force Maven out of the closet which is not okay

Who is your dance partner, or are you flying solo?

I don't know if Bardull has changed his playstyle over the course of time but I try not to rely on past greivances to determine alignment. Right now I agree that I'm wary because he is very diplomatic in the way he's approaching the game right now for me. Suggesting theories and offering insight is all well and good but for me personally I don't find it's constructive nor often townie if those means do not come to fruition in some sort of way. Reading his recent post I do not understand why he made such a fuss if he did not reach any conclusions on those who attributed to his stance, because to me if you're town and you are always under the assumption of posting in it's best interest, you should be a little biased about what you bring up and how others act towards it. He didn't really tell me anything besides what could be footnotes about people best left in a notepad outside of the game

This is an odd reaction; you’re trying to undermine me based on me “being too diplomatic” and posting a lot of information you feel isn’t of merit. It feels like unnecessary FUD and gives me goosebumps.

I’m not sure if you missed the boat, but this game is likely to end on D3, and these phases are only 48 hours long. Shouldn’t I be trying to get out as much information as possible and get people to talk as much as possible? Given the pace of the game, isn’t this something you should be doing as well?

Leaning disapproval. Thumbs down to you and Shish. Booooooo.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Who is your dance partner, or are you flying solo?



This is an odd reaction; you’re trying to undermine me based on me “being too diplomatic” and posting a lot of information you feel isn’t of merit. It feels like unnecessary FUD and gives me goosebumps.

I’m not sure if you missed the boat, but this game is likely to end on D3, and these phases are only 48 hours long. Shouldn’t I be trying to get out as much information as possible and get people to talk as much as possible? Given the pace of the game, isn’t this something you should be doing as well?

Leaning disapproval. Thumbs down to you and Shish. Booooooo.

I don't think there exists a world where everyone who disagrees with you is town and everyone who doesn't is scum

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP:

I don't think there exists a world where everyone who agrees with you is town and everyone who doesn't is scum*

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If we're under the presumption that what you're doing is pro-town, wouldn't Shish just be shooting himself in the foot by voting you who is seemingly ("I'm probably dead after this phase" - Bardull) at the helm of discussion? Scum don't make those type of plays early on

 

[BarDulL]

Just because I said thumbs down to you both doesn’t mean that I think you’re both scum.

But Shish voting me for writing a wall and trying to get Maven to talk is like...wat.

“Like ok, fine, let’s just all not get inactives to not say their opinions, I guess.”

I’ll wait for the other players to give an opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

oh man bard took my vote seriously

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Just because I said thumbs down to you both doesn’t mean that I think you’re both scum.

But Shish voting me for writing a wall and trying to get Maven to talk is like...wat.

“Like ok, fine, let’s just all not get inactives to not say their opinions, I guess.”

I’ll wait for the other players to give an opinion.

Pray tell what you meant by necessary FUD then in relation to my post?

 

[giraffelasergun]

oh man bard took my vote seriously

Jokes aside what are your thoughts so far today? Do you have an idea on who we should Lynch (other than bard for forcing people to tell things they might not be ready to tell everyone yet)

 

[BarDulL]

Pray tell what you meant by necessary FUD then in relation to my post?

You’re saying that me posting a ton of info from my point of view is unnecessary and better left in a notebook, and that I’m coming off as too diplomatic.

Both of these things just seem unnecessary and a tad like FUD; given the content I posted, I actually feel it’s of merit to get people to talk and say what we think about each other. From a third eye, I don’t feel that there is anything inherently wrong with the content I posted or my view points in general. I also have many opinions and view points, especially with respect to FE. Do you disagree with what I said about him?

oh man bard took my vote seriously

My big post was serious tho >:[ do you have a current opinion on things? Anyone come off as a scummy scummer to you? I want some hard commitment, I want to be more than “just friends” ;3.

 

[Kantrip]

Bardull's wall is more a recap than anything and reading it before my morning coffee is making me grumpy.

I like soup so far.

giraffelasergun That's precisely how I intended that suggestion to come across. I postured it as a legitimate suggestion masquerading as a joke. I would say it's a decent default if we don't get a better option but it's essentially a policy lynch.

 

[BarDulL]

>;[

Fine, I'm sorry I posted a massive wall. Sometimes I don't get to the point soon enough.

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