Saikyoshi
Smash Master
Stating your opinion isn't trolling.
Deliberately coming into the thread of a sector you don't like just to bash it and insult users is.
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Too late to start playing Melee?
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Deliberately coming into the thread of a sector you don't like just to bash it and insult users is.
Mr. Fox
AKA Shiro
The point was to prove that you can improve quickly if you put in enough hours of solid practice. And yes. Utah. I never said it was impressive. Besides, the Utah scene is growing rapidly and our players are getting much stronger overall.
shapular
Smash Ace
I'm not coming in to bash or insult anybody. I'm coming to give some sound advice to a new player.
Mr. Fox
AKA Shiro
I'm sorry if I mistakenly called you a troll. But do you seriously think someone can't catch up at this point? Do you seriously think Melee will die in a few months?
Saikyoshi
Smash Master
No offense, but your advice sounded a lot like "forget this bad game, play Brawl instead".
Like I said in my own post, Super Street Fighter II Turbo is in its twentieth year, seven more than Melee, and still going strong. I'm pretty sure Melee's going to last at least a few years longer. Especially with the prospect of a virtual console release on the horizon.
I'd also like to clarify that I am not against Brawl's fandom in the slightest, but you're walking on risky ground.
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BO/\K
Smash Apprentice
there's only one solution http://smashboards.com/members/shapular.17230/ignore
LarsINTJ
Banned via Warnings
They never said Melee is a bad game, only that it is sub-par compared to the promise of SSB4 (by their own standards). Whether or not Melee remains reasonably active for X amount of time is up to the community as a whole, one person's opinion won't change anything.
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Luwafer
Smash Cadet
I'd hate to see what you consider bashing or insulting anybody.
shapular
Smash Ace
Why wouldn't it die? Brawl killed it when it came out, and Brawl has some major flaws. Smash 4 fixes all those flaws, is currently riding a huge hype train, has the potential to bring in tons of new players, and most of the Brawl and Melee pros that I've seen have said they're going to play it when it comes out. There's going to come a point when CRTs and Melee discs get too scarce and expensive for there to be enough setups at tournaments, when people get tired of seeing Fox and Falcos in almost every match, and when the metagame gets stale because the game's been played for 13 years, regardless of how much people like Smash 4.
There are plenty of reasons Brawl would be better for him to start with than Melee. Smash 4 is much closer to Brawl than Melee. He said he can't play on Dolphin, but Brawl on wifi wouldn't be a problem (assuming he has wifi). He won't need to buy an increasingly expensive Gamecube controller (Wiichuck is a perfectly fine control option, especially since he's never used a Gamecube controller). Brawl is easier to find and probably cheaper than Melee since it's a lot newer.
Are you saying you'd recommend someone to play SSF2 Turbo over USF4? Admittedly I'm not too familiar with Street Fighter, but USF4 is much bigger from what I've seen. I have a feeling Nintendo won't release Melee on VC any time soon since they want to push Smash 4 as much as possible.
Edit: Besides the above reasons, he'll be able to focus more time into fundamentals instead of Melee AT's which won't be in Smash 4, and he'll be able to get used to the buffer which I think is returning.
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The Soap
Smash Apprentice
Does every thread on smashboards really have to melt down to unnecessary Melee vs. Brawl arguments? Just play the game you like and let people play the games they like
Thor
Smash Champion
Glad to see you cleaning up this thread ahahaha... please don't shoot me.The Soap said:
It's never too late to start playing any of the Smash games. Try 'em all, and see what you want to play the most. [If you're only interested in Melee and Smash 4, of course feel free to skip the others - but I think they're all great plays, and I'd recommend all of them to anyone in a heartbeat, which is why I suggest trying all 3 installments.]
(FYI, Smash 4 is looking like it will be closer to Brawl than Melee (the airdodge and probably not needing to L-cancel stuff), so if you really do want to feel more ready for Smash 4, you should probably play Brawl at least a little.)
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Saikyoshi
Smash Master
First, Brawl didn't kill Melee. It did overshadow it for a short time, but Melee is presently the dominant scene by a large margin.
Also, considering he's already used to Super Smash Flash 2, which has a similar end-goal to SSB4, he'd be better off practicing on that if you asked me than Brawl which is objectively far more defensive, something Sakurai is actively trying to cut down on according to a question asked in a letter to him. Again, not trying to bash Brawl, but it'll be more different than you think. And if you think me recommending a fan game is an insult for any reason, you need to think about the fact that it's my own competitive Smash game of choice, above Melee and P:M. It's not the better game, but I have my reasons for following it, and I wouldn't if there wasn't some quality and effort in its balance and depth. (And the functioning wi-fi helps.)
And I won't comment on recommending SSFIITurbo over USIV. I strongly recommend it for learning the basics of the series and for fighting games in general, along with still being an enjoyable experience - USIV is overall better, but generally more overwhelming to beginners and ultimately an entirely different animal than the II games. Just like Melee, Brawl, and U/3D are entirely different animals from each other. Experience from one will for the most part not carry over into the next, whether it's from Melee to Brawl, from Brawl to Melee, or from either game to U/3D.
My point is, the scene's not dying anytime soon, so it's there if he wants it. The Brawl and P:M scenes are also there. As is the Super Smash Flash 2 scene. And soon the SSBU/3D scenes. Each is different from each other. You can learn the fundamentals on any one of them.
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Thor
Smash Champion
Wow this thread is getting stupid fast... wish I'd realized it before I posted...
Look there's already a "Will Melee die out?" thread somewhere, and let's be real - it won't, much in the way that Smash 64 STILL hasn't died out. People who are the best at one of the games will continue to play it and appreciate it for being a great game. If people want to post more yes/no stuff, take it to that thread instead, please?
I'm honestly more worried about Brawl dying out [despite what I just said above]...and Brawl didn't actually kill Melee, just knocked it unconscious. And then some of the points shapular stated just plain aren't true (Staling meta-game? Have you heard of the person named aMSa? Fox Falco only? Hbox? Armada? M2K? Hello???). So while I may like people who support Brawl, you're going about it all wrong. Like, really really badly.
Look there's already a "Will Melee die out?" thread somewhere, and let's be real - it won't, much in the way that Smash 64 STILL hasn't died out. People who are the best at one of the games will continue to play it and appreciate it for being a great game. If people want to post more yes/no stuff, take it to that thread instead, please?
I'm honestly more worried about Brawl dying out [despite what I just said above]...and Brawl didn't actually kill Melee, just knocked it unconscious. And then some of the points shapular stated just plain aren't true (Staling meta-game? Have you heard of the person named aMSa? Fox Falco only? Hbox? Armada? M2K? Hello???). So while I may like people who support Brawl, you're going about it all wrong. Like, really really badly.
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Symba
Smash Rookie
I've also just started playing. First I started with Project M. I actually just got my techs and wavedashing consistent. After that you really get a grip of the game and it becomes a lot more fun. The hardest part is finding a partner. I've just been playing by myself because I don't know anyone that I can play with that is actually close but if you can find someone it'll help a lot and you can learn a lot from each other.
shapular
Smash Ace
You're in Maryland. It's only one of the biggest regions for Smash. You probably have like 100 people near you. Check the regional boards. If you're anywhere near Baltimore check out Smash @ Xanadu on Tuesdays.
Coming into the melee boards to state your objectionable opinion as fact (it's how it initially came across to myself and others here) is basically trolling. I'm honestly very happy (and a tad surprised) at the maturity of the responses to what would be seen as flame baiting/trolling anywhere else on the boards.
You could've easily stated your later response first rather than incite negative responses, you shouldn't make a habit of that.
You could've easily stated your later response first rather than incite negative responses, you shouldn't make a habit of that.
Saikyoshi
Smash Master
most of the players in my scene have little to no interest in smash4. and socal melee's one of the biggest melee communities in the world.
ironically, i don't think this could've happened without brawl. people jumped from melee to brawl and let melee die because they didn't know what to expect. as far as they were concerned, it would've been every bit as amazing as melee, but when it didn't satisfy their needs, they dropped out of the scene.
said players end up coming back to melee, but fool me twice shame on me is the flavor of this generation. the incredible following and hype brawl had up to its release is near nonexistent in the melee community this time around for smash 4. just for this alone, i don't see smash 4 killing melee in any way, shape, or form, and won't have nearly the same impact as brawl.
on another note, crts will not be a problem. you won't find them in stores these days, but they actually are freakin' everywhere. the concern about melee discs is somewhat real, though you can load an ISO into the Wii without a disc IIRC. a big issue was also controllers, but nintendo is releasing new gc controllers for smash 4 that hopefully will be pretty good.
IDK, nothing lasts forever, but melee looks the healthiest its ever been and looks like it'll continue to live for many more years to come.
ironically, i don't think this could've happened without brawl. people jumped from melee to brawl and let melee die because they didn't know what to expect. as far as they were concerned, it would've been every bit as amazing as melee, but when it didn't satisfy their needs, they dropped out of the scene.
said players end up coming back to melee, but fool me twice shame on me is the flavor of this generation. the incredible following and hype brawl had up to its release is near nonexistent in the melee community this time around for smash 4. just for this alone, i don't see smash 4 killing melee in any way, shape, or form, and won't have nearly the same impact as brawl.
on another note, crts will not be a problem. you won't find them in stores these days, but they actually are freakin' everywhere. the concern about melee discs is somewhat real, though you can load an ISO into the Wii without a disc IIRC. a big issue was also controllers, but nintendo is releasing new gc controllers for smash 4 that hopefully will be pretty good.
IDK, nothing lasts forever, but melee looks the healthiest its ever been and looks like it'll continue to live for many more years to come.
supahVGC
Smash Apprentice
Warning Received
HahaI'm more wondering what @supahVGC thinks of all this. I hope we didn't scare him off.
I think you guys are giving me some very helpful information Yeah, that's what I thought
I might be able to get a used Gamecube and Melee with it for a reasonable price.I just thought people would start drifting away from it after the release of SSB4, I can't blame them though, it looks amazingObvious troll attempt. @
I didn't mean to start a Melee vs Brawl argument so please just let people play their game of choice.How 2 delete post
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Crazc
Smash Journeyman
When you say "never played any smash game", did you mean never have you played at all? Because if so, I dont think you should start with Melee. You have a lot of work to do, and by the time you are at competitive level, Melee could be dead.
"never touched a gamecube controller"
goddamn
"never touched a gamecube controller"
goddamn
Symba
Smash Rookie
I'm actually going there next week for the first time. But I've actually never thought of that for some reason o.o but thanks for the idea. ^_^
supahVGC
Smash Apprentice
What do you think I should start with then? I know I have a lot of work to do, and I think Melee is a good game to start with.
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Crazc
Smash Journeyman
you can start with melee if you want, but go legit, or at least semi-legit and play with a gc controller. its really good if you can get used to it.
if you can go all the way legit, meaning melee on a cube and a crt. a wii will work if you dont have a cube.
i know this is expensive, but at least play with a gamecube controller if you are gonna do dolphin.
if you want to start with a game more current, try project m.
supahVGC
Smash Apprentice
I will definitely try out Project M if I can get a Wii, but that's probably unlikely.
Crazc
Smash Journeyman
so basically all you have is a keyboard and a computer with dolphin? not very prepared, i see.
supahVGC
Smash Apprentice
Lol
I'm getting a Gamecube soon but I didn't want to pay for it without being sure it's not too late
Crazc
Smash Journeyman
when you get the cube, make sure it comes with some controllers. and melee. or get melee seperate, idc.Lol
melee still has a very active scene, but you need to hurry if you want to join it. make sure you get solid on one or two characters, and learn advanced tech on both of them. you need two so you don't get stuck in bad matchups. be as diverse as you can with the characters so you can conquer nearly every matchup, but always make sure you are best with one or two.
wavedashing, l-canceling, shield-falling are in my opinion the top three advanced techs to learn.
Saikyoshi
Smash Master
If it's not already ordered, get a Wii instead. It can do everything the GameCube can and more, full backwards compatibility. In fact, EVO's Melee setup used a Wii.Lol
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Young Rinku
Smash Cadet
Pretty much this.
Wii's are EXTREMELY cheap to get, and while it's cool to own a GC, you'd be better off having a Wii, so you could play all of the games it's compatible with (Was Smash 64 released on VC?)
Crazc
Smash Journeyman
yeah. smash 64 is on vc
i reccomend getting a wii also, as they crash less. (still crash a lot if you put in work, but less than the cube.)
Raise
Smash Rookie
Check your local Craigslist for good deals as well. I got 2 GC's, Melee, 2 controllers, and 2 memory cards from some dude off Craigslist like 4 months ago for $40.
lygraf
Smash Rookie
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i'd like to take the title of the thread in a different direction -
i'm 27. just picking the game back up after seeing evo and heavily interested in getting into competitive. according to chu dat on that newspaper article published on reddit the other day, he's also 27 and concedes that his best days are behind him and that top players are always going to be younger kids with hot reflexes.
do you guys sign off on that philosophy? there are older professional players in other reflex games (i.e. Taz from virtus.pro and MANY other CS:GO players), and I think it's fair to say there's quite a few middle-aged folk on a high level, but what about the top?
i wanna pick melee back up and put a feverish amount of work in but now i'm not so sure the reward is going to be worth the time when I could be putting in hours on something else.
i'm 27. just picking the game back up after seeing evo and heavily interested in getting into competitive. according to chu dat on that newspaper article published on reddit the other day, he's also 27 and concedes that his best days are behind him and that top players are always going to be younger kids with hot reflexes.
do you guys sign off on that philosophy? there are older professional players in other reflex games (i.e. Taz from virtus.pro and MANY other CS:GO players), and I think it's fair to say there's quite a few middle-aged folk on a high level, but what about the top?
i wanna pick melee back up and put a feverish amount of work in but now i'm not so sure the reward is going to be worth the time when I could be putting in hours on something else.
Symba
Smash Rookie
Some of the greatest players at 25+ i don't how old Mango and M2K are but they're in their 20s and they're still dominating tournaments and have been playing for 7+ years(don't know exactly how long)
N1c2k3
Smash Lord
I meant to say, yup as an agreement to the previous post before mine, as in, it's never to late too play Melee...
I don't subscribe to that at all. Melee, although hugely technical, is mostly a mental game. I'm 27 and while I don't compete anymore (NOTE: that doesn't mean I don't play to win), I'd argue that I play better now than I ever have, simply from having the years of experience. If I practiced regularly my tech skill could be on point. I'm sure it's not the case for everyone, but as a rule I'd venture to guess I probably fit into the standard, not the exception...
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Crazc
Smash Journeyman
as long as your reflexes stay sharp as the youngin's, you are ok.
supahVGC
Smash Apprentice
Ooh, I thought you meant it is too late
-ShadowPhoenix-
Smash Bash
Melee is the only viable game to pick up. Sm4sh will have a few good years before everyone realizes it's literally brawl without metaknight (still a garbage game). We got hit hard when brawl came out, but the community pushed forward and survived. We have more experience this time around so we'll be fine.
AquaTech
We hit the potjack
I'm someone who has started diving into competitive Melee this past summer, and Smash4 isn't gonna make me stop. I don't have a WiiU so I probably won't play it unless someone else has it anyway. I'll wait to see the community reaction. But either way, Melee is still gonna be my top priority and I want to get better at it.
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