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Tom Nook for SSBB: Far from Deconfirmed.

Lord_Deathborne

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Dude, Tom Nook has a ****in' axe, sure he mainly uses it for cutting down trees, where as the Ice Climbers hit blocks, and the occasional monster-like thing.

Also nothing they or GaW does is any worse than hitting random people with nets, being ravaged by bees and killing fresh water fish by throwing them into the ocean.

And by the way I brought up the whole Tanooki thing and it's implications such a long time ago:





That's just a small portion of my previous arguements, no offence Zombie.
Yeah... but conducting day to day chores doesn't help with regard to fighting potential... I mean my dad uses an axe, but he ain't much of a fighter... See my point? Also, yeah I do recall you bringing up the tanuli bit... but Zombie still did a better job... :p
That REALLY looks like fan art but w/e. I guess ur sorta right.

It wasnt really a smoke bomb. She like.. threw a deku nut and ran away.

And it didnt show her potential to fight it showed her potential to glow and hold things still while other people fight.

but why am i even arguing about this I like zelda in melee lol.

My whole point was that ANYONE can be turned into a fighting character.

And the tanuki argument has been used before. just not really as in depth.

And now that I think about it, captain falcon never did any fighting in his games (except in the anime. he uses falcon punch. but i'm not counting that right now.)

And tell me Mr. Mach Rider for brawl, how much fighting does a guy on a motorcycle do? is he gonna throw tires at the opponent?

So let's just agree that while nook may not show much potential in AC itself, he COULD be a fighter, and has enough nintendo cred for a brawl slot.
Um... C. Falcon's a BOUNTY HUNTER, Mach Rider's a VIGILANTE, and Fox (regarding your earlier post) is a MERCENARY, not to mention ALL three make use of GUNS - this is where IMPLIED potential takes root... and I do believe that their respective games are combative in nature...
None taken man. However I want to point out that the Ice Climbers never fought monsters, the monsters were actually penguins in the original japanese release, but were later changed to the small furry beaked animals to avoid any "seal clubbing" anger. So they literally only fight animals found in nature.
Um... are we forgetting the POLAR BEARS now? Real animals granted, but I doubt you'd want to deal with one of those in real life... :p
 

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um, I think anyone with an axe instantly becomes a bit of a fighter. you dont have to know what you're doing to split someone's head open (or in brawl's case knock the **** out of em)
 

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um, I think anyone with an axe instantly becomes a bit of a fighter. you dont have to know what you're doing to split someone's head open (or in brawl's case knock the **** out of em)
Alright wise guy, say I give YOU an axe... Would you feel comfortable facing off against say a samurai, or an armored knight, or a Navy SEAL, etc.? The thing is that Nookie makes use of that axe in the manner of completing daily chores, not splitting skulls... Sure he could up and go axe murderer one day, but in that case it would likely be him preying upon unarmed victims, not professionals with regard to combat...

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Alright wise guy, say I give YOU an axe... Would you feel comfortable facing off against say a samurai, or an armored knight, or a Navy SEAL, etc.? The thing is that Nookie makes use of that axe in the manner of completing daily chores, not splitting skulls... Sure he could up and go axe murderer one day, but in that case it would likely be him preying upon unarmed victims, not professionals with regard to combat...

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Wow. Just wow. I can't beleive you would actually try and pull the 'he can't fight' card. That has got to be the most noobish argument you can possibly have. I'm not even going to bother trying to debunk that, because it's so easily debunked. Instead, here's why I say Nook will be in Brawl:

The fact of the matter is that Animal Crossing has quickly become one of Nintendo’s biggest franchises. So much so that it’s getting its own feature film coming out in Japan this December. Now, let me ask you this: What was the last Nintendo franchise that was popular enough to get its own feature film? Super Mario Bros. that's which one. Animal Crossing is huge, and Tom Nook has been at the center of it the entire way. He was in Animal Forest on the N64(the Japan-only precursor to AC), he appears in both AC and in AC: Wild World, and I’m willing to bet money that he’ll be in AC for the Wii. He’s even one of the main characters in the upcoming movie. So, like it or not, Nintendo cannot get enough Nookie, and there is definitely a spot in Brawl with his name on it.
 

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Alright wise guy, say I give YOU an axe... Would you feel comfortable facing off against say a samurai, or an armored knight, or a Navy SEAL, etc.? The thing is that Nookie makes use of that axe in the manner of completing daily chores, not splitting skulls... Sure he could up and go axe murderer one day, but in that case it would likely be him preying upon unarmed victims, not professionals with regard to combat...

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I didn't know there were samurai and navy seals in brawl. go figure.

As for me, I would be perfectly comfortable swinging an axe at a pink puffball or a plumber shooting fireballs at me. See, the thing is, they're trying to kick my ***, so I'm gonna fight back whether I'm "Comfortable" with it or not. And maybe since I'm Mr. Nook I'll just go tanuki on their ***.
 

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I didn't know there were samurai and navy seals in brawl. go figure.

As for me, I would be perfectly comfortable swinging an axe at a pink puffball or a plumber shooting fireballs at me. See, the thing is, they're trying to kick my ***, so I'm gonna fight back whether I'm "Comfortable" with it or not. And maybe since I'm Mr. Nook I'll just go tanuki on their ***.
L337 Tanuki skills Dante. Anyway since we have already taken this to the level of "well what if?!!" dante is right, axe + being attacked = "wow I just learned to wield an axe like a pro real good"
 

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Wow. Just wow. I can't beleive you would actually try and pull the 'he can't fight' card. That has got to be the most noobish argument you can possibly have. I'm not even going to bother trying to debunk that, because it's so easily debunked. Instead, here's why I say Nook will be in Brawl:

The fact of the matter is that Animal Crossing has quickly become one of Nintendo’s biggest franchises. So much so that it’s getting its own feature film coming out in Japan this December. Now, let me ask you this: What was the last Nintendo franchise that was popular enough to get its own feature film? Super Mario Bros. that's which one. Animal Crossing is huge, and Tom Nook has been at the center of it the entire way. He was in Animal Forest on the N64(the Japan-only precursor to AC), he appears in both AC and in AC: Wild World, and I’m willing to bet money that he’ll be in AC for the Wii. He’s even one of the main characters in the upcoming movie. So, like it or not, Nintendo cannot get enough Nookie, and there is definitely a spot in Brawl with his name on it.
Debunked? I think not, and here's why: I never said he couldn't fight IN THE FIRST PLACE, just that he's lacking in proven or implied evidence of combative potential - POTENTIAL, sir. Sure they could make him a fighter, but up until now, every character in SSB has had aleast some degree of combative potential, in which regard even Mr. G&W is lightyears ahead of Nook. Try reading the posts in their entirety before knocking my points, as you clearly had no clue in the nine hells what I was saying in the first place. And as far as franchise popularity is concerned, Nintendogs has AC beat by quite a bit - does that merit a nintendog a roster spot? And it's the AC franchise itself, not Tom Nook being just "one of the characters" as you put it, that Nintendo "can't get enough of"... I hate to resort to flaming think you pretty muchestablished that YOU are infact the n00dtard in this argument.

At any rate, the only reason I started this argument in the first place was to debunk the assertion that anybody could be in SSB, but somewhere along the line you guys turn it into a Tom Nook defense. At any rate, go on about your merry way and continue discussing the greatness of Tom Nook (which is still well beyond me it seems...).
I didn't know there were samurai and navy seals in brawl. go figure.

As for me, I would be perfectly comfortable swinging an axe at a pink puffball or a plumber shooting fireballs at me. See, the thing is, they're trying to kick my ***, so I'm gonna fight back whether I'm "Comfortable" with it or not. And maybe since I'm Mr. Nook I'll just go tanuki on their ***.
That, sir, was what you call an analogy - jeesh, you guys are just as bad as they are on Nsiders...

And just to clue you in, Mr. Tom Nook is a tanuki of the NATURAL sort, not the mythological variety - it's ANIMAL CROSSING, not YE OLDE BEASTS OF MYTH AND LORE TOWNE...
 

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Captain Falcon and Mach rider have no fighting experience we are told they are a bounty hunter and vigilante but we don't see it so therefore they have no fighting experience so that argument is moot.
 

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Wow. Just wow. I can't beleive you would actually try and pull the 'he can't fight' card. That has got to be the most noobish argument you can possibly have. I'm not even going to bother trying to debunk that, because it's so easily debunked. Instead, here's why I say Nook will be in Brawl:

The fact of the matter is that Animal Crossing has quickly become one of Nintendo’s biggest franchises. So much so that it’s getting its own feature film coming out in Japan this December. Now, let me ask you this: What was the last Nintendo franchise that was popular enough to get its own feature film? Super Mario Bros. that's which one. Animal Crossing is huge, and Tom Nook has been at the center of it the entire way. He was in Animal Forest on the N64(the Japan-only precursor to AC), he appears in both AC and in AC: Wild World, and I’m willing to bet money that he’ll be in AC for the Wii. He’s even one of the main characters in the upcoming movie. So, like it or not, Nintendo cannot get enough Nookie, and there is definitely a spot in Brawl with his name on it.
Debunked? I think not, and here's why: I never said he couldn't fight IN THE FIRST PLACE, just that he's lacking in proven or implied evidence of combative potential - POTENTIAL, sir. Sure they could make him a fighter, but up until now, every character in SSB has had aleast some degree of combative potential, in which regard even Mr. G&W is lightyears ahead of Nook. Try reading the posts in their entirety before knocking my points, as you clearly had no clue in the nine hells what I was saying in the first place. And as far as franchise popularity is concerned, Nintendogs has AC beat by quite a bit - does that merit a nintendog a roster spot? And it's the AC franchise itself, not Tom Nook being just "one of the characters" as you put it, that Nintendo "can't get enough of"... I hate to resort to flaming think you pretty muchestablished that YOU are infact the n00dtard in this argument.

At any rate, the only reason I started this argument in the first place was to debunk the assertion that anybody could be in SSB, but somewhere along the line you guys turn it into a Tom Nook defense. At any rate, go on about your merry way and continue discussing the greatness of Tom Nook (which is still well beyond me it seems...).
 

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Debunked? I think not, and here's why: I never said he couldn't fight IN THE FIRST PLACE, just that he's lacking in proven or implied evidence of combative potential - POTENTIAL, sir. Sure they could make him a fighter, but up until now, every character in SSB has had aleast some degree of combative potential, in which regard even Mr. G&W is lightyears ahead of Nook. Try reading the posts in their entirety before knocking my points, as you clearly had no clue in the nine hells what I was saying in the first place. And as far as franchise popularity is concerned, Nintendogs has AC beat by quite a bit - does that merit a nintendog a roster spot? And it's the AC franchise itself, not Tom Nook being just "one of the characters" as you put it, that Nintendo "can't get enough of"... I hate to resort to flaming think you pretty muchestablished that YOU are infact the n00dtard in this argument.

At any rate, the only reason I started this argument in the first place was to debunk the assertion that anybody could be in SSB, but somewhere along the line you guys turn it into a Tom Nook defense. At any rate, go on about your merry way and continue discussing the greatness of Tom Nook (which is still well beyond me it seems...).That, sir, was what you call an analogy - jeesh, you guys are just as bad as they are on Nsiders...

And just to clue you in, Mr. Tom Nook is a tanuki of the NATURAL sort, not the mythological variety - it's ANIMAL CROSSING, not YE OLDE BEASTS OF MYTH AND LORE TOWNE...
OK, first of all, if you honestly think that nintendogs is more popular than animal crossing, then you need to be an hero. (not gonna explain that one) But that is one of the most reatrded things i've ever heard. Animal Crossing is easily one of the most popular gamecube games released, it had another game on the DS, and a movie is being released of it. And the reason we chose nook is because he is the only standard character that everyone recognizes and would like to see. You can't use the player because his appearance changes and there is more than one. you can't use a random villager because there's no guarantee that one of them will be there. The standards are nook, Resetti, KK Slider, and Crazy Redd. Resetti only shows up when you reset the game and annoys the hell out of everyone. Crazy Redd only appears every once in a while and overcharges you for crap. KK Slider is just a musician and his eyebrows are too big lol. Tom Nook is there, in his store, every day. You constantly see him, you're always paying your debt to him, and he is ALWAYS there. He's basically a main character.

And dont try to bull**** us. You said from the start that NOOK has no fighting potential. You specifically said Nook. But we killed that argument by explaining that he could, and pointing out that theres other characters that showed no figting potential but were added anyway. And I already poitned out that a certain motorcycle rider in your sig has no potential but I bet you support him.

So just stop arguing with us, there's more supporters than debaters, let us have our racoony fun.
 

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As Dante pointed out, Mach Rider has no fighting potential, he is just like C. Falcon, he was always in/on a vehicle, although they have background story that could give him "potential". However Deathborne (btw Goroh > Deathborn) according to your opinion, Mach Rider has NO background potential. He drives a bike that has guns, it says nothing about melee fighting ability, or any reference what so ever to him having EVER fought off his bike. Falcon is a bounty hunter and therefore has the fighting prowess to be an available character. Mach Rider does not, so knock Nook and you knock your precious Mach Rider.
 

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OK, first of all, if you honestly think that nintendogs is more popular than animal crossing, then you need to be an hero. (not gonna explain that one) But that is one of the most reatrded things i've ever heard. Animal Crossing is easily one of the most popular gamecube games released, it had another game on the DS, and a movie is being released of it. And the reason we chose nook is because he is the only standard character that everyone recognizes and would like to see. You can't use the player because his appearance changes and there is more than one. you can't use a random villager because there's no guarantee that one of them will be there. The standards are nook, Resetti, KK Slider, and Crazy Redd. Resetti only shows up when you reset the game and annoys the hell out of everyone. Crazy Redd only appears every once in a while and overcharges you for crap. KK Slider is just a musician and his eyebrows are too big lol. Tom Nook is there, in his store, every day. You constantly see him, you're always paying your debt to him, and he is ALWAYS there. He's basically a main character.

And dont try to bull**** us. You said from the start that NOOK has no fighting potential. You specifically said Nook. But we killed that argument by explaining that he could, and pointing out that theres other characters that showed no figting potential but were added anyway. And I already poitned out that a certain motorcycle rider in your sig has no potential but I bet you support him.

So just stop arguing with us, there's more supporters than debaters, let us have our racoony fun.
Nintendogs@ 7.71 Million vs. Animal Crossing @ 7.1 Million. In other words... YOU PHAIL.

Also I believe I said "severely lacking" not "none whatsoever" from what we've see so far - please stop twisting my words...

And by all means have your ****** fun, I don't care - you're the guys that keep draging this argument on...
Forgot about that kappa... >.<
Very well, I stand corrected on that one...
As Dante pointed out, Mach Rider has no fighting potential, he is just like C. Falcon, he was always in/on a vehicle, although they have background story that could give him "potential". However Deathborne (btw Goroh > Deathborn) according to your opinion, Mach Rider has NO background potential. He drives a bike that has guns, it says nothing about melee fighting ability, or any reference what so ever to him having EVER fought off his bike. Falcon is a bounty hunter and therefore has the fighting prowess to be an available character. Mach Rider does not, so knock Nook and you knock your precious Mach Rider.
How many times am I going to have to bring up IMPLIED potential, or do you guys not know the meaning of the word? Let's start with their respective professions: C. Falcon is a BOUNTY HUNTER, Fox is a MERCENARY, Mach Rider is a VIGILANTE, Tom Nook is a SHOPOWNER... see the problem yet? Now let's cover the nature of their respective games: F-Zero = combative racing, Starfox & Mach Rider = shooters, Animal Crossing = life sim... still not clicking? Lastly, C. Falcon, Fox, and M. Rider have all been seen with GUNS before, while the best Nook has to go by, by your own logic, is splitting wood... Again, there are other reasons to go by for suggesting Nook, but combative potential, PROVEN AND IMPLIED, is not one of them...

BTW I wouldn't go so far as to say my "precious" Mach Rider and Deathborn >>>>> Goroh...
 

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And yet you continue to argue with us. you keep saying that you're not trying to debate us, but u throw this statement out in the middle of a huge debate.

Maybe Nintendogs has sold more copies (which suprises the hell out of me. I guess it's cuz there's 3 versions that all went on sale at once)

But come on, you know Animal Crossing is more popular. Everyone recognizes Tom Nook. nintendogs doesnt even have characters. It has ****ing dogs.

And as for the shopowner thing. Why don't you go ask the shopowner from Link's Awakening if he has any combat potential?
 

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And yet you continue to argue with us. you keep saying that you're not trying to debate us, but u throw this statement out in the middle of a huge debate.

Maybe Nintendogs has sold more copies (which suprises the hell out of me. I guess it's cuz there's 3 versions that all went on sale at once)

But come on, you know Animal Crossing is more popular. Everyone recognizes Tom Nook. nintendogs doesnt even have characters. It has ****ing dogs.

And as for the shopowner thing. Why don't you go ask the shopowner from Link's Awakening if he has any combat potential?
I think blasting Link with lightning until he dies proves something... :chuckle:
But that was something you had to experience for yourself, otherwise you would have never known of his dark little secret - thus PROVEN potential... but whatever. Carry on with your Nook worshiping...
 

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oh I shall. And for all you know Nook has a gigantic electric gun of death too. YOu just can't see it cuz it's a leaf in his apron.

Not like you could ever steal anything from Nookington's. Timmy and Tommy would **** you.
 

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Stupid kids buying Nintendogs, and nothing else, they are the ones who truly phail.
 

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Dude Tom Nook would totally pwn at Smash Bros. Brawl. Think about it, who would you rather have on your team of characters against these beasts like in Shadow of the Colossus: Tom Nook or Pichu.

My Vote, Tom Nook.
 

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Nintendogs@ 7.71 Million vs. Animal Crossing @ 7.1 Million. In other words... YOU PHAIL.

Also I believe I said "severely lacking" not "none whatsoever" from what we've see so far - please stop twisting my words...

And by all means have your ****** fun, I don't care - you're the guys that keep draging this argument on... Forgot about that kappa... >.<
Very well, I stand corrected on that one...How many times am I going to have to bring up IMPLIED potential, or do you guys not know the meaning of the word? Let's start with their respective professions: C. Falcon is a BOUNTY HUNTER, Fox is a MERCENARY, Mach Rider is a VIGILANTE, Tom Nook is a SHOPOWNER... see the problem yet? Now let's cover the nature of their respective games: F-Zero = combative racing, Starfox & Mach Rider = shooters, Animal Crossing = life sim... still not clicking? Lastly, C. Falcon, Fox, and M. Rider have all been seen with GUNS before, while the best Nook has to go by, by your own logic, is splitting wood... Again, there are other reasons to go by for suggesting Nook, but combative potential, PROVEN AND IMPLIED, is not one of them...

BTW I wouldn't go so far as to say my "precious" Mach Rider and Deathborn >>>>> Goroh...



Ok, so here we have Samurai Goroh and Deathborn. Goroh has been an F-Zero Character since the beginning, while Deathborn was added in F-Zero GX. Goroh both worked with C. Falcon, and later became a Bounty Hunter...just like C. Falcon. Deathborn, was created by the "main" enemies of the series, and is a stereotypical evil villain with too much power. He can teleport anywhere in the galaxy (gay) and can send people to the outskirts of space..just because.... Now, who do YOU think is cooler, the original C. Falcon rival, or the guy that was added as a final boss in 2 games....?
 

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Ok, so here we have Samurai Goroh and Deathborn. Goroh has been an F-Zero Character since the beginning, while Deathborn was added in F-Zero GX. Goroh both worked with C. Falcon, and later became a Bounty Hunter...just like C. Falcon. Deathborn, was created by the "main" enemies of the series, and is a stereotypical evil villain with too much power. He can teleport anywhere in the galaxy (gay) and can send people to the outskirts of space..just because.... Now, who do YOU think is cooler, the original C. Falcon rival, or the guy that was added as a final boss in 2 games....?
GOROH FTW!

DEATH BORN!
 

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Debunked? I think not, and here's why: I never said he couldn't fight IN THE FIRST PLACE, just that he's lacking in proven or implied evidence of combative potential - POTENTIAL, sir. Sure they could make him a fighter, but up until now, every character in SSB has had aleast some degree of combative potential, in which regard even Mr. G&W is lightyears ahead of Nook. Try reading the posts in their entirety before knocking my points, as you clearly had no clue in the nine hells what I was saying in the first place. And as far as franchise popularity is concerned, Nintendogs has AC beat by quite a bit - does that merit a nintendog a roster spot? And it's the AC franchise itself, not Tom Nook being just "one of the characters" as you put it, that Nintendo "can't get enough of"... I hate to resort to flaming think you pretty muchestablished that YOU are infact the n00dtard in this argument.
Now you're just being immature. There's no need to resort to name-calling here. And I have to say, all of your babbling on about 'implied potential' is rather nonsensical. I doubt that Sakurai and his team would turn their backs on an extremely popular and oft-requested character just because his games never implied violence. It doesn't make any sense. Also, in case you didn't realize, there are already Nintendogs in Brawl. Remember that big puppy in the trailer? So much for your argument there. And one more thing. You have yet to disprove my biggest argument yet: the movie. The Animal Crossing movie, which will feature Tom Nook as one of the primary characters. What do you have to say to that?
 

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Yeah, Tom Nook would be alot like Game and Watch. Using a bunch of junk as his attacks. He'd be a sweet character, i'd so be him
 

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You have yet to disprove my biggest argument yet: the movie. The Animal Crossing movie, which will feature Tom Nook as one of the primary characters. What do you have to say to that?
I am completely for Tom Nook in Brawl, but I just wanted to point out that you have no proof that Tom Nook will even make an appearance in the movie, let alone be "one of the primary characters." You obviously are basing your assumptions on one of the very few images released for the movie; but bear in mind, these images are neither actual screenshots or images from the film's final version. Please do not peddle assumptions and opinions as fact.
 

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I am completely for Tom Nook in Brawl, but I just wanted to point out that you have no proof that Tom Nook will even make an appearance in the movie, let alone be "one of the primary characters." You obviously are basing your assumptions on one of the very few images released for the movie; but bear in mind, these images are neither actual screenshots or images from the film's final version. Please do not peddle assumptions and opinions as fact.
The main point of the animal crossing games is to pay off your debt to Mr. Nook and get a bigger house. He is a constant theme, you see him every day. (if u want to shop that day, which I always at least check new stuff in the store on AC)

Tom Nook, Copper, Booker, and Tortimer are the only characters that are guarenteed to be in the same place every day and be in every town every day. Redd, savannah and them only show up on occassion. Slider on Saturdays.

So other than the person you play as, I'd say the biggest character in AC is Tom Nook, and I highly doubt they would leave him out of the movie.
 

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So other than the person you play as, I'd say the biggest character in AC is Tom Nook, and I highly doubt they would leave him out of the movie.
I completely agree with that, but the fact still remains that Tom Nook is not CONFIRMED to be in the movie. He is likely but not guaranteed, therefore, noone should act as though he absolutely will be in the movie.
 

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I honestly believe he absolutely will be in the movie.

I mean really, do you have ANY doubt whatsoever that he wll be?
Yes, I do, actually. We have next to NO information about the movie so far; Nintendo could go in a completely opposite direction than the currently established AC "storyline." Noone knows at this point.]]

Oh, and what's up with all the "You Fail." signs? How did I fail at anything?
 

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He's saying you fail because you doubt tom nook in animal crossing movie.

I guess it's true that they could COMPLETELY change it, but I doubt it. Even crappy video game movies have a little bit to do with the game.

And tom nook is the most important AC character there is (next to the player)
 

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Insane? What is this jibberish you incoherently speak of, young grasshopper? Maybe the other characters can light themselves on fire and jump into pools like at crazy rock concerts. Maybe they can be forced to fight in mosh pits.
 
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