Toad/Captain Toad for Smash, Toad Brigade Assemble!

[Pokechu]

Yes he stands a chance, but I think it's a very poor chance. I get the very strong impression that Toad's more active and dignified role is meant to placate people who want Toad as a character, likely due to a recognized demand from the ballot. This would not be necessary at all if Captain Toad was playable. If Captain Toad was playable, they would likely avoid showing the toad elements of Peach's moveset entirely, not give them an overall and draw a considerable amount of attention to them.

That's a shame, but it makes a lotta sense.

Though if they really wanted to placate Toad fans then Toadette would be Daisy's Toad. I'm not giving up hope until we see Toadette :'^) let me grasp some more

 

[jreed3842]

That's a shame, but it makes a lotta sense.

Though if they really wanted to placate Toad fans then Toadette would be Daisy's Toad. I'm not giving up hope until we see Toadette :'^) let me grasp some more

It's impossible for me to give up hope until it is 100% confirmed that Captain Toad will not be in. Like until we see him as an Assist Trophy or something I literally cannot stop hoping. I could say "His chances are shot. He is not coming to Smash." But... If he wasn't 100% deconfirmed I would still be hoping he could make it!

Maybe his chances aren't so good now. I'm not CONVINCED he'll be in... I just hope.

And sure I may get disappointed... But this has been happening to me for... What?... 15 years now? It's sad to say that I'm kinda used to it.... But it can't kill my hope!

 

[Zzuxon]

I'm going to weigh in on a related issue.

I don't begrudge Daisy at all. Not even slightly. Primary reason for this is that the development resources spent on Daisy could not make Toad, so she cannot in any sense be considered "responsible" for Toad not getting in.

This is as opposed to Rosalina and Bowser Jr. in Smash 4, their development resources could have made Toad.
I do begrudge Rosalina, because to be perfectly honest, when the smash 4 roster was decided she wasn't a smash-worthy character, her only significant role in Mario Galaxy 1. That being said, by the time Smash 4 came out, incidentally she became smash-worthy when she became playable in 3d World. I begrudge her inclusion much much less than I did back in the day.

But I didn't begrudge Bowser Jr. either, because Bowser Jr. was significant enough, with a history and multiple significant roles in the mario series, to be smash-worthy. He wasn't and isn't as smash-worthy as Toad was and is, but taken entirely on his own merits, he was a solid choice. I suppose I might say that though Bowser Jr. was a sub-optimal choice, that doesn't mean he was a bad one. I would feel the same way about a hypothetical Waluigi inclusion.

Man I seriously digressed. Anyway back to Daisy. The other reason I'm totally on-board with her inclusion is that, as far as possible clone newcomers go, she's a fantastic choice. She has appearances in a mainline game and is very prominent in the spin-offs with a great deal of popularity. If she isn't smash-worthy she is very close. Like, I'm thinking about characters who could work as melee-style clones of existing smash characters, and in terms of importance and star power the only one I can think of who might be a better pick than Daisy is Dark Samus.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Well. . .it's an improvement. Toad loos a LOT better this time around. Actually doing some fighting and doing some funny things like a butt blast. And now we have regular toad AND blue toad. Which is pretty neat.

I'll probably use one of those Toad images as an avi at one point because it's such a nice iprovement. Captain Toad isnt out of the woods (heh) yet, but i wouldnt get my hopes up. IMO, there wont be many newcomers this time around for base game because of how development went, so i think the best chance is to NOT be an AT or something so we have a shot at DLC. . .and if we make it that far it's time to start a ruckus so we get heard Well, at least i'll be able to have a bit more fun with Toad this time around either way.

 

[YoshiandToad]

If I'm honest I've always begrudged Rosalina and even to this day. One NPC appearence is enough to boost her to the top of the pile over playable main characters(Toad), major antagonists(Bowser Jr) and popular side characters(Waluigi, Daisy, Paper Mario)?

I wouldn't have minded so much but Sakurai claiming "I wanted to keep characters accurate" is a load of tosh when Rosalina is taking control of her beloved children and forcing them to fight for her.

At least now Toad is being treated with slightly more equal respect to LUMA of all characters.

Jr. and the Koopalings I accepted almost instantly because Jr. was, especially at the time, a character who had made a name for himself and in bringing all his brethren with him gave me some options to enjoy his moveset outside himself.

Daisy meanwhile has been around for years and the Daisy fans have been mocked continuously on these very forums. Whilst I never really mocked them, I sure as heck didn't expect Daisy to get in over (Captain) Toad, Paper Mario or Waluigi. Also at least she gives us a bit more Toad at the very least. Pity her kingdom's Toad equivalent was never explored though...

I'm going to hold out a bit of hope for Captain Toad still, but it'll probably be muted so I may have to just accept Peach and Daisy are now the closest we'll get to playable Toad.
If I can at least get my animated moveset tweaked with the amount of interest it's garned we may get lucky and see a fan mod of it somewhere down the line. It's not much but it's all I can do for you guys.

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

If I'm honest I've always begrudged Rosalina and even to this day. One NPC appearence is enough to boost her to the top of the pile over playable main characters(Toad), major antagonists(Bowser Jr) and popular side characters(Waluigi, Daisy, Paper Mario)?

I wouldn't have minded so much but Sakurai claiming "I wanted to keep characters accurate" is a load of tosh when Rosalina is taking control of her beloved children and forcing them to fight for her.

At least now Toad is being treated with slightly more equal respect to LUMA of all characters.

To be fair, Rosalina did and still does have a lot of popularity behind her ever since she first appeared because she was one of the few Mario characters to get a backstory. Lumas treat her as their mother and they want to fight for her. Palutena's Guidance makes this clear. Rosalina is probably only going along with it because they wouldn't take no for an answer. Peach's treatment of Toad before this game was far more egregious.

Daisy meanwhile has been around for years and the Daisy fans have been mocked continuously on these very forums. Whilst I never really mocked them, I sure as heck didn't expect Daisy to get in over (Captain) Toad, Paper Mario or Waluigi. Also at least she gives us a bit more Toad at the very least. Pity her kingdom's Toad equivalent was never explored though...

True this, so much. Even if not a creature from one of SML's kingdoms or a made-up Toad equivalent, Toadette would've made a lot more sense than just a Blue Toad. Even if she can't be playable as Toad's alt, I want to see her throw a punch because I know she could whoop somebody's behind.

 

[fogbadge]

well it is better that he smacks fighters during throws but its still not the same

 

[jreed3842]

Grrrr.

Are you guys watching the Nintendo Treehouse right now?
Looks like Toad won't be playable... He's a host. And Toadette is in charge of stars.
So... A freakin' Goomba is playable but Toad isn't?

 

[Arcadenik]

Grrrr.

Are you guys watching the Nintendo Treehouse right now?
Looks like Toad won't be playable... He's a host. And Toadette is in charge of stars.
So... A freakin' Goomba is playable but Toad isn't?

So... we have entered another Dark Age for Toad.
Rosalina and Bowser Jr. got in Smash 4 over Toad.
Even Daisy (and possibly Metal Mario) got in Smash Ultimate over Toad.
And now Toad lost his Mario Party gig to Goomba.
Not even Captain Toad can save Toad.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I'm not entirely sure I believe Metal Mario is going to be playable.

Jr. was a worthwhile character who rivalled Toad for sure, I can't be salty about his inclusion.
Rosalina...yeah I'm not happy with(the Pic of the Day related to her reveal did not help)
Daisy meanwhile is a cloney clone who didn't take much effort and gives us a semi playable Toad.

Super Mario Party is ridiculous though. I'm not against playing a Goomba and the obscure species but why is Toad back to hosting? And it's taken Toadette out too! :s

 

[fogbadge]

Grrrr.

Are you guys watching the Nintendo Treehouse right now?
Looks like Toad won't be playable... He's a host. And Toadette is in charge of stars.
So... A freakin' Goomba is playable but Toad isn't?

yeah what is up with that? what an odd thing to start doing

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I'm sorry guys, I was really rooting for you and I'll use Daisy's new Blue Toad throws with pride

 

[Pacack]

I might be one of the few that's still very confident in Captain Toad. I expect him to be revealed to coincide with Treasure Tracker's July release as our newcomer of the month, which I suspect is a thing.

We've never had a Smash game with no unique Mario newcomer save for Brawl, which had Wario with his Mario outfit regardless. Every other time, we've gotten at least one, and more often than not two.
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With how prominent Captain Toad has been, there's no reason to believe he's less likely now than before. Captain Toad was always going to have Toadette as his alt, not the traditional "Toad." This doesn't alter his chances significantly.

 

[Arcadenik]

Super Mario Party is ridiculous though. I'm not against playing a Goomba and the obscure species but why is Toad back to hosting? And it's taken Toadette out too! :s

This really sucks.

I wish Nintendo brought back Tumble and Millennium Star from Mario Party 3 so they would serve as host and guard of Power Stars respectively... and then Toad and Toadette would be playable.

June 2018 confirmed to be the worst month for the Toads.

 

[Albo]

As much as the Super Mario Party news sucks, I was kind of bracing for it yesterday. I always get a little wary whenever Toad isn't immediately featured in a Mario spinoff trailer, since Nintendo never seems to be able to decide whether he is a playable character or not, with the exception of Mario Kart. It baffles me that Toad can get into Mario Tennis Aces and even Mario Golf: World Tour but not the last two Mario Partys (considering we're counting The Top 100).

Sometimes I have to wonder -- does Nintendo really know what to do with Toad? It seems like he's had the widest range of roles in the entire Mario franchise (from fellow adventurer to party host and everywhere in between), which is simultaneously awesome and terrible.

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

Wow, there somehow is bad news to be found in the fact that Mario Party is finally going back to its formula. I literally cannot imagine how you could think that any of the Koopa Troop minions should be playable before a distinct Toad and Toadette when those two have been in so many of them already.

It's like they want to branch out with them and give them the spotlight of being brave heroes (hence why playable toads are in NSMB, SM3DW, and Treasure Tracker) but they don't want to let go of their species' roots (honestly no punintendo) of being helpless sideline characters that stand around and do nothing so they just randomly omit them from being playable.

 

[Pacack]

I'm hoping Captain Toad is an unlockable character for Mario Party.

 

[jreed3842]

I'm hoping Captain Toad is an unlockable character for Mario Party.

I would be ecstatic if that were the case! I think I'd be okay with Captain Toad showing up in spin-offs instead of original Toad.... Maybe. Actually both would be awesome. But if I had to pick I'd choose the Captain!

 

[Propeller Toad]

Well mates, perhaps it's time we spam Sakurai's twitter with YoshiandToad 's Captain Toad moveset vid? Of the 66 fighters in so far, I have yet to see someone that can zone and manipulate the stage quite like that Captain Toad moveset - perhaps the head honcho might take an interest in it (unless he's seen it already considering how much views it raked up so far?).

I'm still staying optimistic for Captain Toad. He's a distinguished character compared to other toads, and can bring a charm that's lacking on the roster so far. We don't know the whole roster yet, and if not DLC is always an option (considering Sm4sh's DLC success, I'd say it's quite a given and provides more time for character development). It also strikes me odd that Sakurai chose this game all of a sudden to make Toad have a bigger role with so much fighting animations alongside Peach (even stretching limbs!). Despite this, until we see the good Captain and Toadette completely deconfirmed - we do have our chances of a toad on the roster. Toadette's been no slouch either as she's rose to stardom quite quickly too with her repeated major appearances.

We've toughed from disappointment, but I'll still stay rather hopeful that Captain Toad pulls through. Like Pacack mentioned, we've gotten at least two Mario newcomers each time and while trends can break (especially with Sakurai in charge), it is the Mario series afterall - super recognizable characters. As mentioned earlier, I too won't feel this is a true Super Smash Bros. Ultimate without a playable Toad of sorts. Sakurai may have a bias against Toad, but he was pretty generous to up his role this time around while Captain Toad can perhaps rep a new IP under his belt if he gets in.

It's funny, I remember that while growing up I used to wish that Nintendo would distinguish Toad further more by giving him something as simple as a scarf or different clothing with a backstory - and while he may not be the same character apparently, Captain Toad really did fulfill these wishes for me. I wouldn't mind seeing Captain Toad appear in Mario spinoffs either as a playable character as well - could definitely expand on his character compared to how Toad has been treated in recent years.

In terms of Mario spinoffs, Toad has always been an oddball. I remember not liking Camelot for a while due to their habit of excluding Toad (and later Toadette) on their rosters during the GCN era. Seems like Mario Party is trying to force a reboot too with swapping Toad as a host with DK in reversal as well recently.

 

[Arcadenik]

Well mates, perhaps it's time we spam Sakurai's twitter with YoshiandToad 's Captain Toad moveset vid? Of the 66 fighters in so far, I have yet to see someone that can zone and manipulate the stage quite like that Captain Toad moveset - perhaps the head honcho might take an interest in it (unless he's seen it already considering how much views it raked up so far?).

Good luck with that. I am going to focus on Meowth for Smash 6. All the characters I want are already playable in Smash or already have large vocal fanbases that their fans can do the supporting for me anyway... and that includes Toad. Oh, and he at least has a chance to be relevant in the Mario games again... eventually.

Also, third-party characters I want are low priority for me... and I am not concerned with Simon Belmont or Banjo-Kazooie since they already have large vocal fanbases. Popular demand is why Snake came back and why Ridley finally got in Smash and I believe popular demand will get Simon Belmont and Banjo-Kazooie in Smash eventually.

But Meowth lacks a large vocal fanbase and I need to change that. Ridley got in not because Sakurai wanted him but because his supporters were numerous and vocal and Sakurai couldn't ignore that for the third time. Even Waluigi has popular demand and I am pretty sure he will get in Smash 6. Meowth really needs popular demand. He needs it more than he needs his own games (although that would really help a lot).

 

[jreed3842]

Good luck with that. I am going to focus on Meowth for Smash 6. All the characters I want are already playable in Smash or already have large vocal fanbases that their fans can do the supporting for me anyway... and that includes Toad. Oh, and he at least has a chance to be relevant in the Mario games again... eventually.

Also, third-party characters I want are low priority for me... and I am not concerned with Simon Belmont or Banjo-Kazooie since they already have large vocal fanbases. Popular demand is why Snake came back and why Ridley finally got in Smash and I believe popular demand will get Simon Belmont and Banjo-Kazooie in Smash eventually.

But Meowth lacks a large vocal fanbase and I need to change that. Ridley got in not because Sakurai wanted him but because his supporters were numerous and vocal and Sakurai couldn't ignore that for the third time. Even Waluigi has popular demand and I am pretty sure he will get in Smash 6. Meowth really needs popular demand. He needs it more than he needs his own games (although that would really help a lot).

Good luck, Arcadenik!
I can't say Meowth is on my most wanted list... But nothings impossible! I'll be cheering you on from the sides. If you ever need us to share or promote any Meowth related content let me know and I'll help ya out!

 

[Propeller Toad]

Good luck with that. I am going to focus on Meowth for Smash 6. All the characters I want are already playable in Smash or already have large vocal fanbases that their fans can do the supporting for me anyway... and that includes Toad. Oh, and he at least has a chance to be relevant in the Mario games again... eventually.

Thanks Arcadenik, and best of luck to you too! :D

You've been a strong supporter of Toad as well over the years (I remember some of your older posts were some of the reasons as to why I joined the Smashboards after years of lurking!), so I'm sure you'll do great to help out poor Meowth too. Both Toad and Meowth are both quite similar, being major, long-running characters in their franchises but being beaten out by newer faces over time while making cameos in Smash - I too feel Meowth's long overdue and can bring a very fun and unique fighting style. As jreed3842 mentioned, if you ever need extra Meowth support, I too would be very happy to lend a hand.

 

[jreed3842]

So... I am still holding out for Captain Toad and I was thinking that as the biggest Video Games Franchises of all time maybe Mario and Pokemon might get 10 playable characters each? That would be kinda cool and a good even number for both of them.

Mario is at 8 right now. What other character would you like to see added to the Mario series along side the Captain?

 

[ChronoBound]

I think there is a good chance we will know what Captain Toad's role in Ultimate will be in about a month. The Switch and 3DS ports to Captain Toad will release on July 13, and during Smash 4 Sakurai has tied updates to concurrent software releases (though this was never done with newcomers I believe).

I am wishing you guys the best of luck. Its a shame Toad once again is a Peach special, but as you guys say at least it shows him more pro-active in a bodyguard role, and not just a one off special. It is pretty interesting that Blue Toad, the most famous playable Toad next to the original version, got in as Daisy's bodyguard. I find it interesting that it was not Toadette.

Captain Toad did release immediately after Smash Wii U and it was a sleeper hit, but the main two things that might prove to be an impediment to playable inclusion for Captain Toad:
1. The limited amount of slots for true newcomers this time around (newcomers outside of echoes and clones).
2. Sakurai possibly writing him off immediately for playable status due to his inability to jump.
3. Strong competition from Geno (who Sakurai wanted to include since Brawl) and Paper Mario (who did received a new game since Smash 4's release).

However, we shall see what happens. Like I said, I hope things work out for you guys. Captain Toad would be a very interesting fighter if implemented if YoshiandToad's moveset is anything to go by. If nothing else, I would be very curious how Sakurai would work around Captain Toad's inability to jump if he did make the "jump" to playable status.

Keep dreaming and hoping. Ridley, a character I have wanted in for over 19 years, finally made it, despite it looking very unlikely due to the statements that Sakurai had made about the character back in November 2014. It was a miracle for Sakurai to do a 180 in such a short amount of time. Hopefully, your dream of being able to play as Toad on battlefields of Smash Bros. will also finally be realized with this game.

 

[Pacack]

Keep dreaming and hoping. Ridley, a character I have wanted in for over 19 years, finally made it, despite it looking very unlikely due to the statements that Sakurai had made about the character back in November 2014. It was a miracle for Sakurai to do a 180 in such a short amount of time. Hopefully, your dream of being able to play as Toad on battlefields of Smash Bros. will also finally be realized with this game.

Good to see you, Chrono. Thank you for the well wishes.

 

[YoshiandToad]

So... I am still holding out for Captain Toad and I was thinking that as the biggest Video Games Franchises of all time maybe Mario and Pokemon might get 10 playable characters each? That would be kinda cool and a good even number for both of them.

Mario is at 8 right now. What other character would you like to see added to the Mario series along side the Captain?

Well aside from Captain, it would have been Waluigi but...

...to be honest at this point as long as Captain Toad made it I think I'd even be fine with Geno, a character I was pretty against originally due to his one off status. If he got in though I'd want him to be teamed up with Mallow similar to how Peach is with Toad or Rosalina is with Luma. Picking Geno over Mallow is honestly still weird to me since Mallow should be of equal status to the puppet yet he doesn't have that massive fan push behind him.

Paper Mario COULD be fun but it's dependent on how they implement him. Everyone says he could be really unique but he could equally be a clone at this point with Sushie replacing FLUDD. Since he has his own games too, I'd be more down with him than Geno.

Nabbit actually could be fun. He tends to get ignored(was he deconfirmed yet?) but Gameexplains weight mechanic could easily work with him too as he runs around collecting items and projectiles to increase his weight and power. Guess the downside would be he couldn't use items apart from the Smash Ball as it requires breaking rather than picking up.

King Boo is actually a character I don't want, as whilst he'd make a great foil for Luigi the fact he's intangible and has an infinite float by being...you know...a ghost means I feel he faces more difficulties than even Captain Toad with his lack of a jump.

Petey may be fun. Ridley managed to get in by shrinking down, so maybe he could too?

Assuming Toadette in this situation is an alt for Captain Toad and doesn't count as seperate, that's about it for big names. Otherwise if she's an echo fighter with a better jump(or if they go my route; an ACTUAL jump) than Captain but far far weaker, I'd be down with this too.

 

[fogbadge]

perhaps i should try being a little more optimistic between the mii brawler costume and him taking over peach's throws it does seem that the smash team are acknowledging that there are those who want to see toad in smash so that in itself is a good sign for the him in the future of the series

he finally caved in to ridley so i guess theres hope for us yet even if not for this title

 

[jreed3842]

perhaps i should try being a little more optimistic between the mii brawler costume and him taking over peach's throws it does seem that the smash team are acknowledging that there are those who want to see toad in smash so that in itself is a good sign for the him in the future of the series

he finally caved in to ridley so i guess theres hope for us yet even if not for this title

Yeah! There's definitely hope for us. Maybe not this one (but God I REALLY hope so) but we're getting there. Slowly but surely.

And YoshiandToad , I like those ideas a lot. I was kind of at a loss for what other characters I would want along side the Captain! A Geno/Mallow Combination would be awesome. I actually liked Mallow more than Geno. The "You're not a Tadpole," ... "SAY WHAT?!" moment in Legend of the Seven Stars cracks me up every time I play it and made me love Mallow.

I hadn't thought of Nabbit before, that could be an interesting idea!

And I do love the Boos just because they are so cute... But they would be hard to put into Smash...

But if I am being truthful if we got Captain Toad I would be totally happy with any other Mario Newcomer. Goomba? Awesome! One of those Fairy Princesses from 3D World? Cool! That statue Mario turns into in Super Mario Bros. 3? Yay! One of those Dolphin platforms from Super Mario World? Right on!
Ha!

 

[Deleted member]

I've been supporting Captain Toad for a while (since I was called Brawler610 even LOL) and the fact that Peach's neutral special is Toad again doesn't surprise me. I am happy to see him have a bigger role this time... seems like he will grab for her too.

However, seeing Toad reprise his role doesn't faze me either. I view Toad and Captain Toad as two separate entities and I still think he has a chance to be playable. There is a lot of material in his game that could make him work as a playable character. It's just a matter of if Sakurai thinks it's justified to add another Mario character.
As for the whole "Captain Toad can't jump argument," that's something I find to be as silly as Little Mac being only able to punch and therefore wouldn't work as a fighter. He will have to jump, but his jumps are going to be super mediocre.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Well aside from Captain, it would have been Waluigi but...

...to be honest at this point as long as Captain Toad made it I think I'd even be fine with Geno, a character I was pretty against originally due to his one off status. If he got in though I'd want him to be teamed up with Mallow similar to how Peach is with Toad or Rosalina is with Luma. Picking Geno over Mallow is honestly still weird to me since Mallow should be of equal status to the puppet yet he doesn't have that massive fan push behind him.

Paper Mario COULD be fun but it's dependent on how they implement him. Everyone says he could be really unique but he could equally be a clone at this point with Sushie replacing FLUDD. Since he has his own games too, I'd be more down with him than Geno.

Nabbit actually could be fun. He tends to get ignored(was he deconfirmed yet?) but Gameexplains weight mechanic could easily work with him too as he runs around collecting items and projectiles to increase his weight and power. Guess the downside would be he couldn't use items apart from the Smash Ball as it requires breaking rather than picking up.

King Boo is actually a character I don't want, as whilst he'd make a great foil for Luigi the fact he's intangible and has an infinite float by being...you know...a ghost means I feel he faces more difficulties than even Captain Toad with his lack of a jump.

Petey may be fun. Ridley managed to get in by shrinking down, so maybe he could too?

Assuming Toadette in this situation is an alt for Captain Toad and doesn't count as seperate, that's about it for big names. Otherwise if she's an echo fighter with a better jump(or if they go my route; an ACTUAL jump) than Captain but far far weaker, I'd be down with this too.

Mushroom Kingdom U is back, so I assume Nabbit is dead.

My Nabbit mechanic had him convert projectiles into a healing item, which he can use at any time when pressing B again.

 

[Pacack]

Heads up, all. We're likely going to be rerating Captain Toad at some point in RTC since some people see Toad being in Peach's moveset as a negative for him. We'll have to defend him again on that point.

 

[Albo]

So... I am still holding out for Captain Toad and I was thinking that as the biggest Video Games Franchises of all time maybe Mario and Pokemon might get 10 playable characters each? That would be kinda cool and a good even number for both of them.

Mario is at 8 right now. What other character would you like to see added to the Mario series along side the Captain?

Honestly Toad/Captain Toad is the last character I think is essential to really round out the Mario representation. Anyone else would really just be extra or fanservice (see Waluigi, Geno).

As much as I love the Paper Mario series, it's difficult for me to see Paper Mario having as unique a moveset as Captain Toad, but it would make sense seeing as one could literally translate his moves from his series over to Smash. My other concern with him is that I feel like he would be really hard to balance in terms of series representation; either it's too "old" PM like 64 or TTYD or too "new" PM such as SS or CS. Either way, I'm afraid Nintendo would just outright ignore SPM.

Other Mario characters are difficult to see because they either appear too sparsely (Petey Piranha, Birdo) or simply aren't established characters from certain species. Yoshi and Toad make sense in Smash because there are definite Yoshi and Toad characters, even unique ones. The same can't really be said for Goombas, Koopas, and Shy Guys, or if it can they're often simply one-shot characters.

However, as long as Toad/Captain Toad is in, I'm all for Mario and Pokemon having ten characters each, seeing as their characters are easily the most recognizable in the industry. It just makes sense and if Fire Emblem can have six characters then I don't think series popularity necessarily dictates representation anyway.

 

[Arcadenik]

You know... when Sakurai showed that Fighter Roster Video... I was looking at the characters’ names and numbers... and when they showed Peach, I gasped when I saw Toad next to Peach and he was actually fighting instead of being a helpless meat shield... I thought it meant Toad was finally a playable fighter but I did not see his name or number... and I saw Toad disappear before my eyes and I was disappointed that Toad was still part of Peach’s moveset. That was a cruel trick... giving me false hope again for a second only to squash that hope immediately.

 

[CWCPT00]

Am I the only one who actually thinks that after the E3 showing for Ultimate hasn’t affected Captain Toad’s chances for the better or worse?

I was never really confident to begin with so I won’t be surprised if he didn’t make it in but with Toad and Captain Toad being completely different characters, I feel like Sakurai will treat them both as if they had separate fan bases. So Toad is slightly more involved as he’s now used in grab attacks and no longer being pulled out of Peach’s dress, I think that’s Sakurai compromising the Toad fans NOT Captain Toad.

If Captain Toad gets any acknowledgement in Ultimate, either as a assist trophy (looks like that isn’t happening), stage or as an full out playable character, I think that’s Sakurai compromising the Captain Toad fan base and NOT the original Toad fan base because they are separate characters.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Heads up, all. We're likely going to be rerating Captain Toad at some point in RTC since some people see Toad being in Peach's moveset as a negative for him. We'll have to defend him again on that point.

I presumed this would happen. I have a few counter arguments prepared.

Like for example; Toad has previously been shown as a bit of a scaredy cat through Smash. Now he's a little badass thus seperating himself more from the Captain Toad character.
We have the director of Captain Toad pointing out Captain is not the Wario Woods/SMB2 Toad that we associate with Peach and Daisy's movesets.
We also have Dr. Mario and Mario literally being the same guy, so having Captain Toad and regular and blue Toads having different functions seems fine to me.

Am I the only one who actually thinks that after the E3 showing for Ultimate hasn’t affected Captain Toad’s chances for the better or worse?

I was mulling this over today. I think he's slightly less likely than likely, but I wouldn't be ultra surprised if Captain made it in either at this point.

It's sort of weird. We have three ALMOST playable Toad characters now with Peach, Daisy and Mii Brawler(presuming the Toad Mii outfit returns) but no actual 100% legit playable Toad fighter.

 

[jreed3842]

You know... when Sakurai showed that Fighter Roster Video... I was looking at the characters’ names and numbers... and when they showed Peach, I gasped when I saw Toad next to Peach and he was actually fighting instead of being a helpless meat shield... I thought it meant Toad was finally a playable fighter but I did not see his name or number... and I saw Toad disappear before my eyes and I was disappointed that Toad was still part of Peach’s moveset. That was a cruel trick... giving me false hope again for a second only to squash that hope immediately.

I kind of had the same reaction. Although it took me awhile to process what I had seen. Like I saw Toad with Peach and my brain was like "She's using her counter" but then the part of Peach's reveal was over and my brain was like "Wait Toad was standing up... What was that?" And I had to rewind a bit and rewatch it. It was a roller coaster of emotions. Lol

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Captain Toad is getting rerated in the RTC. Show your support.

 

[Albo]

I was never really confident to begin with so I won’t be surprised if he didn’t make it in but with Toad and Captain Toad being completely different characters, I feel like Sakurai will treat them both as if they had separate fan bases. So Toad is slightly more involved as he’s now used in grab attacks and no longer being pulled out of Peach’s dress, I think that’s Sakurai compromising the Toad fans NOT Captain Toad.

I agree with this, but I'm just not confident that Sakurai would treat Toad/Captain Toad that differently. Part of me – granted, probably the pessimistic side of me – thinks that Sakurai would look at Captain Toad and just see Toad, and thus think that because he's already Peach's counter, Captain Toad is not an option.

However, with Nintendo really pushing Captain Toad as his own character with 3D World, his own game, and even in Odyssey, it's probably more likely Sakurai could distinguish the two. I hope so.

Random thought -- is Daisy's Blue Toad supposed to be the Toad playable in 3D World? I'm wondering if that's why we didn't get Toadette as Daisy's counter.

 

[papagenos]

I agree with this, but I'm just not confident that Sakurai would treat Toad/Captain Toad that differently. Part of me – granted, probably the pessimistic side of me – thinks that Sakurai would look at Captain Toad and just see Toad, and thus think that because he's already Peach's counter, Captain Toad is not an option.

However, with Nintendo really pushing Captain Toad as his own character with 3D World, his own game, and even in Odyssey, it's probably more likely Sakurai could distinguish the two. I hope so.

Random thought -- is Daisy's Blue Toad supposed to be the Toad playable in 3D World? I'm wondering if that's why we didn't get Toadette as Daisy's counter.

thats a good point, Toad and Toadette are better "swaps" of one another you'd think they'd do that...unless toadette is a costume for some OTHER fighter...

its so tough right now for toad, i can see it going both ways where at the end its like "of course he was deconfirmed hes in the peach and daisy moveset and they made him more of a focus to please his fans a bit" and i could equally see "of course CAPTAIN toad is playable in the game, toad was much more expressive in peach/daisys moveset cause we made a full model for the playable captain toad"... i can just HEAR sakurai introduce captain toad and make some remark about how normal toads are in peach/daisys moveset but CAPTAIN toad is playable. such a tough call but i hope hes in.

 

[jreed3842]

I posted in Rate their chances... And after I did I kinda went back through the thread and realized I probably should have just quoted YoshiandToad 's post... Because he made pretty much the same points I did. Haha. But! I needed to show my support and hopefully people seeing our points can help change their mind on our little Mushroom guy!