To My Fellow Smashers...

[Blackshadow]

Wow!

Brawl'll be released here on my birthday! *cheers*


....hopefully.

 

[Blackadder]

Wow!

Brawl'll be released here on my birthday! *cheers*


....hopefully.

Holy Jesus, you live in Mount Gambier?
Dude, I live in Casterton, about 40 mins drive away from you. That's freakin' l33t.

Keep your hat on though, I suspect the date to be false.

 

[platnum]

this thread...made me think....BRAWL!

 

[demoncaterpie]

I find it strange that everyone is ***-kissing his post, when we get topics like this all the time in General Brawl Discussion and the OP is almost always flamed for it :/

Indeed.

It's also interesting how something that should be obvious and understood by everyone becomes a fresh new idea once Kirbykid says it.

Though I suppose that's the power of a great orator, especially one with such a high status. It really is a shame that it takes someone important to get a point across. No one ever listens to a regular Joe, no matter how great their opinion might be.

I wish I could say that's a fault of the internet, but it's something we see every day in our own lives. But I'm getting off topic...

Very nice speech Kirbykid

 

[orintemple]

Indeed.

It's also interesting how something that should be obvious and understood by everyone becomes a fresh new idea once Kirbykid says it.

Though I suppose that's the power of a great orator, especially one with such a high status. It really is a shame that it takes someone important to get a point across. No one ever listens to a regular Joe, no matter how great their opinion might be.

I wish I could say that's a fault of the internet, but it's something we see every day in our own lives. But I'm getting off topic...

Very nice speech Kirbykid

While agree whole-heartedly with the OPs post, this is just a prettied up version of the same thing people have said thousands of times. This isn't Melee 2.0 yea we know! Anyone who is still clinging to the idea that it is, is the kind of person that is going to play Brawl as if it were Melee and be sorely disappointed. Thats their own fault. Fresh start, try everything out before we make conclusions. We have been over this a million times this just happened to be particularly well written. If we are lucky this one will be the one to end these threads since it is quite epic

 

[Leviscus]

Wow...Very deep and very true. I'm with you 100% Kirbykid, and I hope that once Brawl is released and starts to show its face on the competitive scene that everyone takes a minute and allows for an open mind to allow new things to occur. Change isn't always a bad thing, and we all need to be more open minded when it comes to these types of things. Is it life threatening? No. But lets just take a step back and view this game for what it can and will be.

 

[Blackadder]

While agree whole-heartedly with the OPs post, this is just a prettied up version of the same thing people have said thousands of times. This isn't Melee 2.0 yea we know! Anyone who is still clinging to the idea that it is, is the kind of person that is going to play Brawl as if it were Melee and be sorely disappointed. Thats their own fault. Fresh start, try everything out before we make conclusions. We have been over this a million times this just happened to be particularly well written. If we are lucky this one will be the one to end these threads since it is quite epic

...Naaaah.
We're all top grade arse kissers.

Live with it, love it.

 

[Pikamander2]

Very nice.

Where did you get the picture?

 

[Not A Naruto Wannabe]

did you like copy this from somewhere? "My fellow soldiers smashers..."

just kidding, it really was inspiring.

This is for all those who own a Wii primarily for or exclusively for Brawl. Cheers.

 

[Wii Wanderer]

I have a Wii, unlike what my name says because when I registered, I didn't have one. What's with the mushroom cloud anyway. Good...update.

 

[Hitzel]

Nice post. I'm definitely looking forward to new possibilities to make this game fun, but I'm not gonna play by the "wrong" settings just because the game's new. I'm also gonna try out everything. No bias.

I'm just looking forward to whatever settings give me a good mental workout. If that means we're going to make a structured item spawn system, that's awesome because controlling powerups always adds to a game. If it means we're going to play 100% without items, that's awesome too because I already know for a fact that it's fun.

 

[SlayerOfEvil]

After reading this, multiple things just went through my head:
*

Best. Post. Ever.

Definitally.
* This community is awesome.
* Kirbykid is now my hero of Smash
* I better drop the wavedashing soon or it'll be a hard habbit to break in Brawl

GO BRAWL!!

 

[kirbykid]

It's also interesting how something that should be obvious and understood by everyone becomes a fresh new idea once Kirbykid says it.

I wouldn't say it's something understood by everyone.

We're not ready for Brawl yet, and our organization is fragmented at best.

There's more to my post than the idea that's been posted many times before. To really change our community for the better, many pieces have to be set before decisive moves can be made.

For anyone who's confused, just relax, read the post again, and just relax.

Trust your leaders......(but not everyone with power is a leader)

 

[demoncaterpie]

I wouldn't say it's something understood by everyone.

We're not ready for Brawl yet, and our organization is fragmented at best.

There's more to my post than the idea that's been posted many times before. To really change our community for the better, many pieces have to be set before decisive moves can be made.

For anyone who's confused, just relax, read the post again, and just relax.

Trust your leaders......(but not everyone with power is a leader)

I'm not trying to insult you Kirbykid. You wrote a very nice speech. I agree with everything you've said, though I've been agreeing with those points for years.

Smashboards needs someone like you. You're the spokesman, the orator, the one with the golden voice. You say something and it becomes law. It really is a shame that no one else can do that, but we take what we can. After all, these points need to be made and understood.

"But not everyone with power is a leader"? That doesn't actually make sense. But it's brilliant. I really hope that one of your "strategic moves" is fixing the abusive power mods and admins have over the state of everything. There is no reason why a mod's word should have priority over someone with a few posts. Everyone deserves equal treatment.

I still think it's funny how your "muffin" blog post was exactly the same as Mic's, but yours is the one everyone remembers.

 

[Blackshadow]

Holy Jesus, you live in Mount Gambier?
Dude, I live in Casterton, about 40 mins drive away from you. That's freakin' l33t.

Keep your hat on though, I suspect the date to be false.

Really? Wow, I never knew anyone else in my general area that played Melee, lol. Though I think I saw you on Kaillera once too...

Anyways, I suspected as much, considering there's yet to be a release date for Europe, and Europe almost ALWAYS gets the good stuff first...it is a shame

 

[Ardeekay]

@ First Post

Someon is an attention wh0re.

 

[The Noob Legend]

@ First Post

Someon is an attention wh0re.

Shoo, get out of here.

 

[stace19]

you guys can't be serious this is so nerdy geez come on guys this is really the nerdiest thing i have seen on this site

 

[Blackadder]

you guys can't be serious this is so nerdy geez come on guys this is really the nerdiest thing i have seen on this site

You've been on the site for a week.
In about 2 months you'll have found about 5028302 things that are 2957296573 times "Nerdier" than this one.

Besides, this is a site for Smash Brothers fanatics! The nerdier the better, I say!

 

[Ophelius]

Alas, the calm before the storm is quite peaceful. But the tempest is rapidly approaching and what seems like an eternity away will ravage the entire smash community. It will be the highest hurdle to leap, the tallest mountain to climb, and the strongest river we'll ever have to fight.

They may take our social lives, but they can never take our freedom!

THIS

IS

SMASHBOARDS!!!!!!

 

[Blackadder]

Really? Wow, I never knew anyone else in my general area that played Melee, lol. Though I think I saw you on Kaillera once too...

I wouldn't assume not. I'm on sometimes. S'just kinda surreal seeing someone on SWF that's so ****...close. It's weird.

Heh, we should online battle on Brawl sometime.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm not trying to insult you Kirbykid. You wrote a very nice speech. I agree with everything you've said, though I've been agreeing with those points for years.

Smashboards needs someone like you. You're the spokesman, the orator, the one with the golden voice. You say something and it becomes law. It really is a shame that no one else can do that, but we take what we can. After all, these points need to be made and understood.

"But not everyone with power is a leader"? That doesn't actually make sense. But it's brilliant. I really hope that one of your "strategic moves" is fixing the abusive power mods and admins have over the state of everything. There is no reason why a mod's word should have priority over someone with a few posts. Everyone deserves equal treatment.

I still think it's funny how your "muffin" blog post was exactly the same as Mic's, but yours is the one everyone remembers.

Very very intresting. Ya, I've been saying "this isn't Melee" forever, but kirbykid says best!

When people plan on instantly banning most items and most stages, my head starts to spin. What next, characters=??? So many people in the Brawl Boards annoy the hell out of me with their ***********. One question for those elitists: HAVE YOU PLAYED BRAWL'S FINAL VERSION=???. So people, stop jumping to conclusions and automatics with Melee, (as kirbykid best says) and wait until the final game. This isn't Melee 2.0 or even Super Smash Bros. 3. This is Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and prepare. Prepare to Brawl 2008!

WELL SAID KIRBYKID! If all the Brawl Boards was 1/100th as smart as you, we'd have no issues. But sadly, over speculation controls the Brawl Boards, and smart people's smart posts often go unnoticed and flammed, without people really thinking what they said. Wise up Brawl Boards, wise up.

 

[Burning Lava]

Hmm... you make it sound like the past 6 years have been nothing but mistakes. "Foolishly?" I don't think there was a rush to ban items. It took at least the first 3 years to completely decide such things as item and stage bans.

Why not build on our knowledge rather than trying to undo everything? I'm all for keeping an open mind, but if items still explode randomly... what's the point in trying to go through all that crap again when we already have a good system? I have no problems with items in casual play, but good tourney rules are good tourney rules.

No one (well, none of the senior-ultra-veteran-decision-makers) is rushing to ban items. Items are simply NOT FUN when the reason you're playing is to test your skill, not to mention powerful items don't really balance the game, they just make overpowered characters MORE overpowered. (Unless there are set spawn points/times, in which case I'm ALL FOR items.) Seriously, that's what I, and many other gamers find fun and engaging about fighting games. The thrill of matching your skill against another person. Though items may produce hilarious effects... and even some very interesting game play, (a better reason to support them) it comes second to the skill match-up. Funny random items (and they are random, you can't say they add to the strategy if one magically appears at your feet without your intention) have there place in friendly matches among friends, or... basically anytime you're not trying to seriously test your skill.

Now, about stages... I'm really hoping we can leave as many stages not banned as possible. I really like the looks of most of them, though it seems kind of annoying if they change too fast. The only ones I have a problem with are the "walk-off" stages. Even then, we could POSSIBLY try incorporating those as counter-picks or something.

*Sigh* I like all the talk of sending Melee off right, and looking to our Brawl future and everything, it just seems like you're trying to reach a small few annoyingly anti-everything "hardcore" players, while ignoring the rest of us intelligent competitives. Nobody with a brain denies the fun and originality that is inherently encompassed within the SSB series with it's weird items and stages, but... Smash has become an art... and sometimes that means a bit of fine tuning.

 

[Ardeekay]

The problem lies within the fact that he's a zealot and an attention wh0re. He probably thought the other night, "What better way to increase my already bulging popularity than to write a stirring speach to my fellow Smash comrades, and berate those ignorant tourneyf@gs for wanting to essentially ban Super Smash Brothers Brawl, without even giving it a chance?"

He's basically making a jab at the competitive community.

We don't want to insta-ban items and stages, but if it comes to that, then so be it. I don't know why people get so touchy on this subject--we're dealing with freaking items, people. Yeah, items are fun, it's been said million times--but honestly, even if items were balanced to the point of being able to be used in competitive play, I still would rather have them banned. TBH, outside of a casual match with friends, I hate items. They just don't belong in tournaments.

While we're on the subject, I hate that we get a new scrub every effing week in the Brawl boards b!tching and complaining about something or other (usually advanced techniques in Brawl, items, bannings, etc.). Please, if you're not even a competitive Smasher, why do you even give a ****? Leave competitive Smashers alone, and go play coin matches with your friends.

-RDK

 

[Ophelius]

Sounds like someone else is an attention *****. Not pointing any fingers... <(-_-^)

Just leave THAT to Kirby.

 

[Ardeekay]

Sounds like someone else is an attention *****. Not pointing any fingers... <(-_-^)

Just leave THAT to Kirby.

I'm an attention wh0re by calling him out?

 

[PRINCESS PEACH777]

My fellow Smashers. We are on the verge of a new beginning. And as this year comes to a close, let us remember where we have come from. Winter 2001 was a time when we were small in number. And now, at the close of 2007, we have grown larger than any other existing fighting game community. We are hardcore. We are competitive. And we are casual. The variety of people and play that we represent is a testament to the strength of the Super Smash Brothers series. And with Brawl on the horizon, let us put away Melee’s final year in true form and proper order.<!--more-->

When news of Brawl’s delay hit us on October 12, we all had to put aside what we wanted for what we needed. Brawl wasn’t finished, and as much as we would have liked for the game to come out at the start of what would have been the greatest Christmas break in history, we know that a polished game will do more for us in the long run.

So let us not make Sakurai and Team’s efforts go unappreciated. Let us not repeat our Melee mistakes. In our fledgling state, we have done smash a great disservice. Both us, the community, and Sakurai. Melee was rushed, and the balance wasn’t entirely existent. After the game launched, we had to take the game into our own hands. They say, Sakurai built Smash Brothers, but we made Melee. Yet, in our haste to bring order to chaos we have foolishly cut too much out of our gaming experience. Levels. Modes. And what pains me the most, items. Though legitimate reasons for their exclusion may exist, Brawl is a new game. Let us not carry the restrictive weight of the last six years into the next.

New times call for new practices. New minds. We need to separate ourselves from the automated automatic mentalities of our past. What better way than a physical separation. In about a month and a week, we’ll have Brawl; the game that will catapult us through the next 6 years of battles, bonds, and betrayals. Though I can’t ask you to stop playing what is perhaps your favorite game for an entire month, I can ask you to start fresh, and to do whatever it takes to make that happen. To represent the change I wish to see in the world, I will personally put Melee down until Brawl for the new year.

If you are to ban anything for Brawl, ban your grudges. Ban your lust for money. Ban your prejudices for stock amounts, tournament rules, and controller types. Brawl and the community that will follow, will be unlike anything you’ve experience with Smash. We’re working hard to create a system that takes advantage of these past 6 years of mistakes. Trust your leaders to make the best decisions for the good of us Super Smash Brothers BrAll.
<p align="center"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/mushroomcloudcopy.gif" /></p>
<p align="center">My fellow Smashers. Be patient. We’re on the horizon.</p>

you are a really deep person.....i'm touched......good work

 

[kirbykid]

I'm all for keeping an open mind.....

I have no problems with items in casual play, but good tourney rules are good tourney rules.

No one (well, none of the senior-ultra-veteran-decision-makers) is rushing to ban items. Items are simply NOT FUN when the reason you're playing is to test your skill, not to mention powerful items don't really balance the game, they just make overpowered characters MORE overpowered.

...basically anytime you're not trying to seriously test your skill.


*Sigh* I like all the talk of sending Melee off right, and looking to our Brawl future and everything, it just seems like you're trying to reach a small few annoyingly anti-everything "hardcore" players, while ignoring the rest of us intelligent competitives. Nobody with a brain denies the fun and originality that is inherently encompassed within the SSB series with it's weird items and stages, but... Smash has become an art... and sometimes that means a bit of fine tuning.

First of all, you don't have an open mind. What you said about items shows how narrow minded you've become.

It's too bad really. You try to lump yourself with the "intelligent" smashers, when you're part of the problem.

Don't try to fight the "good fight" when you dont' know what you're talking about. Melee is a game that's made up of rules and design. Don't pretend like you understand what's happened to the smash community from the beginning and what kind of game Melee really is.

To be honest, unless you (or many others on these boards) can engage me on my level, then I have write in such a way that will bypass some of the assumptions/bias/and defenses that have been set up over the years.

Don't play if you don't know the rules.

The problem lies within the fact that he's a zealot and an attention wh0re.

He's basically making a jab at the competitive community.

We don't want to insta-ban items and stages, but if it comes to that, then so be it. I don't know why people get so touchy on this subject--we're dealing with freaking items, people. Yeah, items are fun, it's been said million times--but honestly, even if items were balanced to the point of being able to be used in competitive play, I still would rather have them banned. TBH, outside of a casual match with friends, I hate items. They just don't belong in tournaments.

While we're on the subject, I hate that we get a new scrub every effing week in the Brawl boards b!tching and complaining about something or other (usually advanced techniques in Brawl, items, bannings, etc.). Please, if you're not even a competitive Smasher, why do you even give a ****? Leave competitive Smashers alone, and go play coin matches with your friends.

-RDK

First of all, when you say "we," keep in mind that you speak for no one but yourself. If you continue to "call people out" so poorly like you've just done, then I'll be forced to take against agianst you.

You hate that a new "scrub" comes out every week? Well, I count you as one of those scrubs.

I suggest you read a little more closely, and think a little harder before posting anything.

If you don't know who I am by now, then I put a little soap on the tip of your tongue and scrub up.

 

[blazer787]

we need to give everything a chance.

hypocritical much?

 

[ScottSadistic]

ha...wow kirbykid...thats deep.

cant wait for it to come out...but who9 on these boards can?

 

[Burning Lava]

First of all, you don't have an open mind. What you said about items shows how narrow minded you've become.

I don't see how calling me narrow minded has anything to do with it when I'm bringing up facts such as; You can't build a strategy on the unknown. I assumed you agreed with this, I wasn't trying to argue with you. You could argue that you must learn the skill of adaptation for randomly spawning items, but the thing is, you're adapting to something that the computer randomly selects, not your opponents skill, or any person's choices made. It's a perfectly logical statement, so... I don't see the problem. I even tried to make sure no one's feelings were hurt.

It's too bad really. You try to lump yourself with the "intelligent" smashers, when you're part of the problem.

Don't try to fight the "good fight" when you dont' know what you're talking about. Melee is a game that's made up of rules and design. Don't pretend like you understand what's happened to the smash community from the beginning and what kind of game Melee really is.

Um... I guess I'm not intelligent enough to know what you're talking about. So are you saying you're FOR rules and design, or AGAINST? Because the way I see it, Tournaments abide by rules and design. Casual play has many different rules. You can set it to whatever you want... it's still a set of rules. Of course Melee is a game made up of rules and design. I'm not sure I said otherwise. Oh, maybe when I said that SSB is an art, you thought I didn't see the rules and design of the game? I don't know, me not very smart. Sorry for being part of the problem. *walks away scratching head*

Oh and I'm kinda getting an elitist vibe from that last sentence... I guess I haven't been part of the community long enough to know what's been going on. I haven't been to enough tournaments and smashfests either. Well, that's what's been assumed about me anyway. Not that you did outrightly, but don't play that card.

To be honest, unless you (or many others on these boards) can engage me on my level, then I have write in such a way that will bypass some of the assumptions/bias/and defenses that have been set up over the years.

Don't play if you don't know the rules.

Don't play if I don't know the rules? Look, I realize you're trying to do us a good service, by protecting the game, but I don't appreciate the assumptions you make about me. If you're worried enough to bypass other's assumptions, maybe you should reserve your own.

...I'm almost in a state of disbelief here. I'm not even sure what you're disagreeing with. You say I've tried to lump myself in with the intelligent smashers... meaning I'm not, yet what have I said that contradicts this? I guess it comes down to the fact that you want items no matter what, and I'm willing to subject them to trial. Am I wrong? If so... why would you lash out about items? I never claimed anything like that before, it's just starting to seem that way. I'm re-reading what I wrote and... I don't know, please just give me a follow up.

 

[Meta Kirby]

Finally! Some action.- Luffy, One Piece

That was one of the best speeches I have ever heard! Kudos to you kirbykid!!!

 

[RazeveX]

I would say that that was deep, but its been said by every single poster since about the 2nd comment.

Anyway, nice.

 

[reu_1303]

Wow...Hats off to you my friend. Your speech was moving and kinda put a close to melee for me:bandit:

 

[The MC Clusky]

All in all, I willing to bet that items will be turned off, but there will be a more thriving community of item players, but most likely they will still be in the minority. They are fun, but it's not a competitive game anymore based on skill when you have such a random factor in play (especially exploding items). It turns more into gambling at that point.

4 stocks 8 minutes seems like something that doesn't really to change. Unless the game moves along faster (characters may die quicker possibly?). Smash matches always take longer because of the amount of freedom you have to move around (unlike say, Street Fighter where you have a small space to stay in, and even then it's very hard to avoid all chip damage.)

And let's face it, there will be banned stages, Hyrule Temple and some of the other classics already being one of them simply because it would not do well for singles (I'm sure there will be a character too fast for any one else, likely Sonic) and they would take far too long. Unless we want all matches to run out of time. They can just be too big. Unless maybe they are allowed for teams, they will be relegated to their old, banned status as before, and left to be played by the noobs. Of course, such things don't stop me from picking some of those silly stages, but to practice? Never.

But I will agree that hopefully it won't be as severe as Melee's ban list. Let's just hope Nintendo didn't leave too many parts that can be exploited.

 

[mickaleaf]

I didn't read the entire thing, I'm sure it was great, but I can't help but think about PUTTING MELEE AWAY. I got it quite lately (it's a LOOONG story...), and thought it would be a shame to just unlock G&W and then jump right over to Brawl. But, on the other hand, it's still quite a long time until Brawl. I can make it. But I need to hurry. What am I doing pitying myself online?!?! I GOTTA HURRY! (If you've ever seen me post, you'll know that sometimes I'm over the top )

 

[The Noob Legend]

I didn't read the entire thing, I'm sure it was great, but I can't help but think about PUTTING MELEE AWAY. I got it quite lately (it's a LOOONG story...), and thought it would be a shame to just unlock G&W and then jump right over to Brawl. But, on the other hand, it's still quite a long time until Brawl. I can make it. But I need to hurry. What am I doing pitying myself online?!?! I GOTTA HURRY! (If you've ever seen me post, you'll know that sometimes I'm over the top )

Granted.

Lol.

 

[Banjodorf]

That was a beautiful speech Kirbykid. Brawl does mean many new beginnings, and throwing off the mechanical ways of doing things we embraced for a good 7 years. (I still cant believe its been that long)

I dont know however, if I can swear off Melee until then, Ill just play, and be passing it off in my mind as pacticing for Brawl lol.

 

[freetyme]

Agreed! Amen to that. If you don't like items that's fine, but don't scoff at those who do. Hopefully Brawl will be balanced enough to allow for at least Smash Balls.

Anyway Brawl is a new beginning, it sounds like we're all be starting from square 1 because of the different physics. (Or so I heard from the E for All demo)

It's probably the most inspirational thing I've heard about a video game ever. It's odd.

 

[Jack Kieser]

KirbyKid, I thank you whole heartedly for this post. I've been playing Smash since the beginning, and though I haven't been an official member of Smashboards that entire time, I feel like, in spirit, I've been here all along. I feel truly lucky to be able to join this community at the brink of the next great Smash era, at a time when everything is changing and evolving. I can't wait to experience Brawl for the first time with this amazing community of people.

*raises glass* Here's to seven more years of epic (and most importantly, fun) battles!