Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Zantetsugun]

In Soulcalibur IV the female character designs are ridiculous. Even my favorite, Amy, who is 14, is way too oversexualized.
However, along with Hilde, there's one other reasonable female design:

Ashlotte. It's sad she's just a bonus character in one game in their series, because she has undoubtedly one of the most awesome character designs in the whole series.

How do you make a character this cool and use them in only one game as a side character?

 

[Kenith]

I really hate how they did her face in game.

I dunno, I like it. It looks doll-like which fits her character perfectly.

How do you make a character this cool and use them in only one game as a side character?

I know...
It's sad when a bonus character designed by a guest artist is cooler than several of the main canon characters.
I like Ashlotte better than Soul Calibur V's newcomers combined.

 

[IAmMetaKnight]

Ah, I thought you meant more in terms of overly fanservicey outfits.


What improperly coded spoiler?

Her story arc in SC5 just really made me sympathize with her, so I've been a fan of Pyrrha ever since.
And on the subject of Soul Cal's character designs, I'd say this sums it up pretty nicely.

Her boobs just keep getting bigger.

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And bigger

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And bigger

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And BIGGER

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[Hong]

It's not that I think sex is bad in video games. Just kind of awful when it's the standard... especially for predominantly one gender.

If you insist on having sexy characters to drive sales, can't you just have maybe a few and make the rest of them look not-ridiculous.

 

[Zantetsugun]

Her boobs just keep getting bigger.

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And bigger

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And bigger

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And BIGGER

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[IAmMetaKnight]

For those of you who haven't figured it out yet, that head canon was a joke.

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You're a derp.

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[Kenith]

It's not that I think sex is bad in video games. Just kind of awful when it's the standard... especially for predominantly one gender.
If you insist on having sexy characters to drive sales, can't you just have maybe a few and make the rest of them look not-ridiculous.

Exactly.
Have a couple Ivy's and Taki's and Setsuka's, then the rest be Hilde's.
Of course this is a Japanese fighting game...
I mean, sex appeal is so important to the character designs in Soulcalibur IV that there is official concept art of every female in the game arranged by breast size...like, really?

 

[Baskerville]

I dunno, I like it. It looks doll-like which fits her character perfectly.

It looks a lot more baby faced compared to the artwork. If the faced looked more sharp then I would've been fine with it.

 

[Zantetsugun]

It's not that I think sex is bad in video games. Just kind of awful when it's the standard... especially for predominantly one gender.

If you insist on having sexy characters to drive sales, can't you just have maybe a few and make the rest of them look not-ridiculous.

Agreed. Fanservice can be okay TO AN EXTENT. But like you said when it's the standard for 90% of your games female cast to the point where a character like Hilde is a rarity, that's pretty off-putting.

Exactly.
Have a couple Ivy's and Taki's and Setsuka's, then the rest be Hilde's.
Of course this is a Japanese fighting game...
I mean, sex appeal is so important to the character designs in Soulcalibur IV that there is official concept art of every female in the game arranged by breast size...like, really?

That's something I'd expect from DoA.

 

[LIQUID12A]

re: sex(uality) in video games

Whatever.

I'd cite Dragon Age Inquisition but that's a bit too lewd for this thread.

 

[Hong]

Yeah. In this modern age, you can target the way you market things to a particular publication, region, and market. In theory, everything you put into a game is marketing, from music, to stages, and of course characters. Thus, if you are going to have to have someone present an article for your game in, say, Maxim magazine, then yeah a lot of these character designs make sense. But if you are just going to want some general ads for very general websites, I'd argue than only showing scantily clad women is selling your product short if you at all have faith in it.

I mean, sex appeal is so important to the character designs in Soulcalibur IV that there is official concept art of every female in the game arranged by breast size...like, really?

 

[Kenith]

Of course, Ashlotte is really awesome as a character too.
Bascially, she's an android created by an evil cult to destroy a rebellious golem (Astaroth) created by that same cult.
Because Astaroth turned against his creators to pursue power, Ashlotte is designed to have no emotions at all.
In her story, she finds Astaroth, kills him, and drags him back to the cult without a word.
But as a nice juxtaposition she resembles a doll.
****ing badass.

 

[LIQUID12A]

http://nintendoeverything.com/more-...om-famitsus-full-interview-with-the-dev-team/

Basically if you needed more evidence that Nohr is evil and whatnot.

And other miscellaneous details.

 

[Kenith]

http://nintendoeverything.com/more-...om-famitsus-full-interview-with-the-dev-team/
Basically if you needed more evidence that Nohr is evil and whatnot.
And other miscellaneous details.

Must be Hoshido propaganda.
Also:
"Pegasus Warriors can be male or female"
**** Yeah, gender equality!

 

[Weeman]

It's not that I think sex is bad in video games. Just kind of awful when it's the standard... especially for predominantly one gender.

If you insist on having sexy characters to drive sales, can't you just have maybe a few and make the rest of them look not-ridiculous.

But i like bewbs

Exactly.
Have a couple Ivy's and Taki's and Setsuka's, then the rest be Hilde's.
Of course this is a Japanese fighting game...
I mean, sex appeal is so important to the character designs in Soulcalibur IV that there is official concept art of every female in the game arranged by breast size...like, really?

But i like bewbs

Yeah. In this modern age, you can target the way you market things to a particular publication, region, and market. In theory, everything you put into a game is marketing, from music, to stages, and of course characters. Thus, if you are going to have to have someone present an article for your game in, say, Maxim magazine, then yeah a lot of these character designs make sense. But if you are just going to want some general ads for very general websites, I'd argue than only showing scantily clad women is selling your product short if you at all have faith in it.

But like bewbs
They make my puffs jiggle

 

[Wintropy]

But i like bewbs

But i like bewbs

But like bewbs
They make my puffs jiggle

Best post.

Job done.

 

[The_Cardinal]

Must be Hoshido propaganda.
Also:
"Pegasus Warriors can be male or female"
**** Yeah, gender equality!

Huh, maybe my male dark flier FE OC from a while back can actually be a thing. Sweet.

– Javelins and similar ranged weapons can no longer double attack

Interesting. Admittedly, javelins were very, very strong weapons so I can see why they tried to balance it this way. I wonder if this also applies to magic since magic is just part of the standard weapon triangle now.

 

[Champ Gold]

What I've learned is 2 things:

1.Sexuality in gaming doesn't help or harm anything and games that parrots to both sides of the coin of people-sex fanservice (DOA, SK and Arcana Hearts) and games that try to be so progressive for sake of doing that (Dragon Age post Origins, Mass Effect and small indie games) I'm gonna be turned off either way.

2.Sex will still sell until the end of time and using it sparingly and right can make it seem cool at one point but crap when it's the only selling point (I'm look at you Fithy Shades of Grey).

Plus sex in video games is cringeworthy everywhere. If I wanted borderline porn, I'll play H-games like Fate/Stay Night, Kawata Shoju and Monster Girl Quest which has better plot than most video games these day.

 

[Shaymikyu]

http://nintendoeverything.com/more-...om-famitsus-full-interview-with-the-dev-team/

Basically if you needed more evidence that Nohr is evil and whatnot.

And other miscellaneous details.

– Phoenix Mode is designed for newcomers; not existing Fire Emblem fans
– Although it sounds like you cannot lose on this mode, there are times when you still have to play somewhat carefully

I love how they went out of their way to try and quell the complaining.

Also:

Spoiler

– In contrast, Nohr is subject to terrible weather conditions, leading to poor crop yields and a lack of law and order

Well yeesh, no wonder Nohr is trying to conquer. Hoshido is spoiled and they're stuck with that.

 

[Hong]

Since some players may consider it wasteful to use a particular weapon, they may end up not using it at all; at which point it’s as if the weapon doesn’t exist

By removing the durability of weapons and giving them more interesting properties, it allows for more enjoyable play, without detracting from the fun of picking weapons

Weapon weight isn’t in, but there are “strong weapons that are harder to double attack with”, which functions a bit like it

Hallelujah. They get it.

Javelins and similar ranged weapons can no longer double attack

Thank goodness for that.

Now we actually have to think when the enemy has ranged weaponry.

Pegasus Warriors can be male or female

 

[Shaymikyu]

YES. MALE PEGASUS WARRIORS THOUGH. ALL MY DREAMS HAVE BEEN REALIZED.

 

[LIQUID12A]

On the subject of IF, am I the only one who gives less than a damn about choosing sides for story or alignment purposes?

I get it, some people like the peace oriented side, others like the war dominated one, others like light and dark and boring boring boring yammering that I don't care for.

What I mean is choosing your side because of the other things, not because of this overhyped different story mechanic. I'm personally choosing Hoshido because it's said to have more Eastern influenced weapons and classes; the Eastern theme Hoshido has leads me to be more interested in it.

Of course, I make this post at the risk of setting myself up as joke bait for those who choose Nohr(if you want to, go ahead), but it's something I wanted to get out.

 

[Wintropy]

On the subject of IF, am I the only one who gives less than a damn about choosing sides for story or alignment purposes?

I get it, some people like the peace oriented side, others like the war dominated one, others like light and dark and boring boring boring yammering that I don't care for.

What I mean is choosing your side because of the other things, not because of this overhyped different story mechanic. I'm personally choosing Hoshido because it's said to have more Eastern influenced weapons and classes; the Eastern theme Hoshido has leads me to be more interested in it.

Of course, I make this post at the risk of setting myself up as joke bait for those who choose Nohr(if you want to, go ahead), but it's something I wanted to get out.

You have to at least respect the creators' motivation to create a coherent narrative that the players can find themselves invested in.

There's nothing at all overhyped about it: it's a central thesis of the entire game, there's a reason why it's so important and oft-discussed when the game is mentioned.

 

[The_Cardinal]

On the subject of IF, am I the only one who gives less than a damn about choosing sides for story or alignment purposes?

I get it, some people like the peace oriented side, others like the war dominated one, others like light and dark and boring boring boring yammering that I don't care for.

What I mean is choosing your side because of the other things, not because of this overhyped different story mechanic. I'm personally choosing Hoshido because it's said to have more Eastern influenced weapons and classes; the Eastern theme Hoshido has leads me to be more interested in it.

Of course, I make this post at the risk of setting myself up as joke bait for those who choose Nohr(if you want to, go ahead), but it's something I wanted to get out.

I actually don't really care for choosing sides for story related reasons either. If I HAD to pick one, it'd be Nohr but only for gameplay reasons. But I plan on playing all the sides soooo, yeah, doesn't matter to me either way.

 

[Shaymikyu]

On the subject of IF, am I the only one who gives less than a damn about choosing sides for story or alignment purposes?

I get it, some people like the peace oriented side, others like the war dominated one, others like light and dark and boring boring boring yammering that I don't care for.

What I mean is choosing your side because of the other things, not because of this overhyped different story mechanic. I'm personally choosing Hoshido because it's said to have more Eastern influenced weapons and classes; the Eastern theme Hoshido has leads me to be more interested in it.

Of course, I make this post at the risk of setting myself up as joke bait for those who choose Nohr(if you want to, go ahead), but it's something I wanted to get out.

Nohr interests me more because of the promise of multiple objectives and I love Roman aesthetic. The story differences seem cool too, but that's what drew me to Nohr in the first place.

That said, if I can get both, I might start with Hoshido first since it seems easier.

 

[LIQUID12A]

You have to at least respect the creators' motivation to create a coherent narrative that the players can find themselves invested in.

There's nothing at all overhyped about it: it's a central thesis of the entire game, there's a reason why it's so important and oft-discussed when the game is mentioned.

I respectfully disagree on the second point, but that's more personal than anything.

It's no more engaging to me than picking a Pokemon version. It changes the story. Okay. Cool.

Not really such a grandiose thing in my eyes, but if it floats everyone else's boat to vehemently pick a side and spurt out the St. Garon and propaganda jokes, fine by me.

 

[Wintropy]

I respectfully disagree on the second point, but that's more personal than anything.

It's no more engaging to me than picking a Pokemon version. It changes the story. Okay.

Not really such a grandiose thing in my eyes, but if it floats everyone else's boat to vehemently pick a side and spurt out the St. Garon and propaganda jokes, fine by me.

You are being way too begrudging about this.

Are you feeling alright?

 

[Kenith]

I'm glad there's no weapon durability, and the reason they gave for cutting it is completely correct.
Finally I can use Brave weapons without my pockets hurting.

 

[Moydow]

– Hoshido is a pacifist kingdom with exceptional peace and order
– In contrast, Nohr is subject to terrible weather conditions, leading to poor crop yields and a lack of law and order
– In order to expand Nohr’s influence, King Garon orders his children to invade Hoshido

So basically Manster vs Thracia from FE4/5 again? I wonder what exactly Garon's motivations for invading are - for the benefit of his countrymen, or just for power?

 

[LIQUID12A]

You are being way too begrudging about this.

Are you feeling alright?

I'm perfectly fine. If I sound begrudging, I apologize.

I'm just not very big on side taking in general.

 

[Kotor]

"Pegasus Warriors can be male or female"

If only Henry was around in this game. He would be able to ride a pegasus with no problem.

 

[Deleted member]

In regards to fanservice, I don't mind it too much as long as the fan service character actually has, well, character. If they exist just for fanservice, then I will most likely not like the character.

Also, something tells me that males being able to become pegasus knights is for balance reasons... maybe the developers want the males to have access to Galeforce.

So basically Manster vs Thracia from FE4/5 again? I wonder what exactly Garon's motivations for invading are - for the benefit of his countrymen, or just for power?

I hope that there won't be any sort of black and white and I think that Aqua getting kidnapped by Hoshido is proof of that; her kidnapping would be a reason for Nohr wanting to fight Hoshido.
I don't think I would like it if there was a clear good guy and a clear bad guy. I think both sides should have consequences.

 

[BindingShield]

I have compiled all the acts and deeds of Saint Garon into a single Glorious Text.

BEHOLD!
https://imgur.com/gallery/Ol4WK/new

Tell me if I missed anything. Or add something. Just know that because its an imgur album, I need pictures to go with St Garon's majestic deeds.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

On the subject of IF, am I the only one who gives less than a damn about choosing sides for story or alignment purposes?

considering my stance on the overall plot of the last 2 FE games, story is not a factor for me to choose either version of the game I'm interested in Nohr's supposed bigger variety, but I like the character designs of Hoshido a lot more. That's about it so far, and until we learn more of these characters personalities and how much Nohr actually differents in objectives and whatnot, I can't say I'm sold in one version over the other.

 

[Deleted member]

I have compiled all the acts and deeds of Saint Garon into a single Glorious Text.

BEHOLD!
https://imgur.com/gallery/Ol4WK/new

Tell me if I missed anything.

"He figured out a way to make it so men could ride pegasi."
Now it all makes sense why males can become pegasus knights...
It was all because of St. Garon's blessings.
He truly is a magnificent hero, bent on taking down the unlawful Hoshido.
He would be top tier in Smash, as the characters would befall before his benevolence and cease fighting.
St. Garon should be praised for what he has done.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I have compiled all the acts and deeds of Saint Garon into a single Glorious Text.

BEHOLD!
https://imgur.com/gallery/Ol4WK/new

Tell me if I missed anything. Or add something. Just know that because its an imgur album, I need pictures to go with St Garon's majestic deeds.

St Garon is cool and all, but he won't replace this as my god

 

[IAmMetaKnight]

Also, something tells me that males being able to become pegasus knights is for balance reasons... maybe the developers want the males to have access to Galeforce.


I hope that there won't be any sort of black and white and I think that Aqua getting kidnapped by Hoshido is proof of that; her kidnapping would be a reason for Nohr wanting to fight Hoshido.
I don't think I would like it if there was a clear good guy and a clear bad guy. I think both sides should have consequences.

The game will never not be broken as long as Galeforce is a skill.

I've been for the idea of neither side being inherently good/evil since the beginning (clearly either side is just as good/evil as the other). I agree with the second point.

 

[LIQUID12A]

On another note, I'm liking the small step in gender diversity IF is taking by allowing male Pegasus Riders.

It's going to allow a lot more creative character progression for those who really like that class.

 

[Champ Gold]

St Garon is cool and all, but he won't replace this as my god

God, I'm gonna miss Lenny. Atleaat the Simpsons will finally die go off into the sunset and I can enjoy the series easily now.

 

[Kenith]

People who say that the St. Garon jokes are getting played out are Hoshidan spies, btw.