Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Raziek]

Who could possibly find me adorable?I think Link will be very strong in Smash 4. He can definitely out-spam Robin. No doubt about that.

That said, Arcfire will be GREAT for getting in on him. What is more is Link actually has problems killing in Smash 4, where as Robin does not. Overall, I think it has the potential to be a slow match-up, but I won't say who has the upper-hand. My guess is a 50/50.

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Link hardly seems THAT much better? His recovery is better, sure, but his mobility is still awful. When you look at the likes of the threatening zoners in this game (DHD, Pac-man, Greninja to name a few that we saw in the JP tourney), Link's zoning is pathetic in comparison.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Who could possibly find me adorable?.

When Chibi Hong dons her mighty shiiiiiiield

All those who choose to attack her shield must yiiiiiiiield

If she's led to mod and a duel is due

Then the yellow and the blue will come through

When Chibi Hong dons her mighty shiiiiield

:3

OK I COULDN'T RESIST I DON'T CARE HOW LAME IT IS

 

[Robertman2]

When Chibi Hong dons her mighty shiiiiiiield

All those who choose to attack her shield must yiiiiiiiield

If she's led to mod and a duel is due

Then the yellow and the blue will come through

When Chibi Hong dons her mighty shiiiiield

:3

OK I COULDN'T RESIST I DON'T CARE HOW LAME IT IS

why.

 

[LIQUID12A]

why.

Because I don't care and I just finished watching Winter Soldier for the 15th time.

 

[Robertman2]

Because I don't care and I just finished watching Winter Soldier for the 15th time.

That movie was freakin great.
Guardians of the Galaxy was better though.

 

[Unkown Hero]

Who could possibly find me adorable?I think Link will be very strong in Smash 4. He can definitely out-spam Robin. No doubt about that.

That said, Arcfire will be GREAT for getting in on him. What is more is Link actually has problems killing in Smash 4, where as Robin does not. Overall, I think it has the potential to be a slow match-up, but I won't say who has the upper-hand. My guess is a 50/50.

Really, Link has a problem killing? I thought that was problem. That is interesting.

Also, another quick question, er, 2

1) whats shipping (and I dno't mean really life boat shipping cargo

2) what the hell does 'd mean?

edit: what about the avengers? I reeeeeaaaaaallllly loved that movie.

 

[Robertman2]

Really, Link has a problem killing? I thought that was problem. That is interesting.

Also, another quick question, er, 2

1) whats shipping (and I dno't mean really life boat shipping cargo

2) what the hell does 'd mean?

Shipping is when you want two fictional characters to hook up.





Like and .

 

[Raziek]

Really, Link has a problem killing? I thought that was problem. That is interesting.

Also, another quick question, er, 2

1) whats shipping (and I dno't mean really life boat shipping cargo

2) what the hell does 'd mean?

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_(fandom)

2) Gren(Ninja'd) is referring to someone posting just before you did, usually saying a similar thing.

 

[Robertman2]

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_(fandom)

2) Gren(Ninja'd) is referring to someone posting just before you did, usually saying a similar thing.

Like I what I just did to this guy.

 

[Drakonis]

Who could possibly find me adorable?

Well, for one, grimer is pretty adorable for a living puddle of slime...

Though it's hardly as adorable and awesome as you! :3

From what I played of the Demo, Link is vastly improved from his previous incarnations. Though his projectiles still aren't exactly great, I love his new running attack, the improved strength on a grounded up B and his general feel now.

Of course, all that may be moot in a competetive setting, so there's that.

 

[Hong]

Oh, Drakonis. What am I supposed to do with you.

Link hardly seems THAT much better? His recovery is better, sure, but his mobility is still awful. When you look at the likes of the threatening zoners in this game (DHD, Pac-man, Greninja to name a few that we saw in the JP tourney), Link's zoning is pathetic in comparison.

I disagree. All three of his main projectile tools seem improved. The boomerang is notably faster, which will help a lot. Dair is weaker than in some versions, but the landing lag is basically halved (comparable to L-cancelling in Melee), and a double bounce is safe-on-shield. With a little bit of extra speed, I think Link has a lot going for him.

My only gripe is his new kill move, the dash attack, is a little too heavily telegraphed.

I think Pac-Man can be elusive at times, but he's among the more vulnerable characters when someone is actually on him. Thank goodness for that hydrant drop.

 

[Unkown Hero]

[quote2) Gren(Ninja'd) is referring to someone posting just before you did, usually saying a similar thing.[/quote]

So where did it come from, what like after Greninja reveal trailer apparently 'stealing' mewtwo's spot light.

Not that I hate mewtwo, I actually really want back now for some reason.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Really, Link has a problem killing? I thought that was problem. That is interesting.

Also, another quick question, er, 2

1) whats shipping (and I dno't mean really life boat shipping cargo

2) what the hell does 'd mean?

'd means someone beat you to a post.

I was 'd on the shipping topic.

But since I aim for logical explanations:

Pairing characters together romantically(or at least friendship like), like:

x
x
x
x
x

Just as an example, before I piss off any shippers.

 

[Robertman2]

'd means someone beat you to a post.

I was 'd on the shipping topic.

But since I aim for logical explanations:

Pairing characters together romantically(or at least friendship like), like:

x
x
x
x
x

Mine is crackier than yours.

 

[Raziek]

The problem lies in the fact that Link does not have the mobility to actually pressure with his projectiles.

Arrows have always been near useless and this game is no exception. Using bombs well requires link take to the air, where he's more vulnerable. The Boomerang is decent, sure, but his game looks very much the same as previous versions. It's not like he's suddenly Project M Link or something.

[quote2) Gren(Ninja'd) is referring to someone posting just before you did, usually saying a similar thing.

So where did it come from, what like after Greninja reveal trailer apparently 'stealing' mewtwo's spot light.

Not that I hate mewtwo, I actually really want back now for some reason.[/quote]
People used the word 'Ninja' to describe it beforehand. His name is Greninja. Fairly simple.

 

[Unkown Hero]

Wait, does shipping have to be romantic or can it just be a good friendship?

Edit: @ Raziek, sorry, still a little confused about 'd

 

[Mr. Johan]

Those are interesting trophy descriptions. Do you mind if you can post the ones for Luigi, Pit, and Dr. Mario?

Luigi (Classic): "Luigi recently celebrated his 30th anniversary with the Year of Luigi, but all that attention just made him even more shy and awkward. In Smash Bros., Luigi takes a lot of cues from his brother in fighting style, adding flair to moves like Super Jump Punch. His taunts, however, are truly unique."

Luigi (All-Star): "Luigi may sulk when his down taunt is used, but his little dejected kick can actually hurt a nearby enemy fighter. It can even trigger a meteor smash! Notice an enemy leisurely hanging from the edge? Run over and pout on the edge—that foe will be the one with something to pout about!"

Pit (Classic): "Pit is the captain of Palutena's royal guard. Despite the wings on his back, Pit needs the Power of Flight from Palutena in order to truly fly. In Smash Bros., he can still get more air than most, with four jumps and a special move that boosts him higher. He has a new reflect move—it protects both sides!"

Pit (All-Star): "Pit's side special Upperdash Arm delivers an uppercut so strong, it can send foes flying for a KO. If you miss and fall off the stage, Pit's up special can bring him soaring back. Another of Pit's specials is Palutena Bow, which fires arrows Pit can aim even after they've left the bow."

Dr. Mario (Classic): "In the 1990 puzzle game Dr. Mario, Mario threw on a white coat and decided to take a shot at that whole "medicine" thing. In this game, he's a balanced fighter who can throw Megavitamin capsules and nimbly deflect blows with his Super Sheet. He's not quite as quick as normal Mario, but his attacks deal a bit more damage."

Dr. Mario (All-Star): "Mario and Dr. Mario are only slightly different. Basically, Dr. Mario is stronger, but his MD slows his speed and lowers his jump. He also has a move Mario doesn't: Dr. Tornado, a down special that can trap opponents before launching them. You can move left and right while doing it and press the button repeatedly to rise into the air."



I do like the blatant wit these descriptions have. Just like Brawl's trophies and Uprising's Idols.

 

[Hong]

So where did it come from, what like after Greninja reveal trailer apparently 'stealing' mewtwo's spot light.

Not that I hate mewtwo, I actually really want back now for some reason.

To "ninja" someone is to sneak in a post before they do, typically saying what they would post before they could.

Greninja is a ninja, so he is a Smash-flavoured spin on this long-standing element of forum culture.

The problem lies in the fact that Link does not have the mobility to actually pressure with his projectiles.

Arrows have always been near useless and this game is no exception. Using bombs well requires link take to the air, where he's more vulnerable. The Boomerang is decent, sure, but his game looks very much the same as previous versions. It's not like he's suddenly Project M Link or something.

Per chance, do you play Link competitively? Setting up bomb usage is actually simple so long as you can grant space, and they are actually very powerful to have in your hands. Barring Little Mac, I am not too worried about being able to set them up in Smash 4.

Arrows are a complex matter. I wouldn't say they are bad in Smash 4, so much every moment is precious, and naturally the Link player is more inclined to use the bomb and boomerang. I won't write them off in Smash 4 yet, but at least the start velocity will make it more applicable in the less-than-often extreme long range.

 

[Raziek]

I don't play Link competitively, no, but I did dabble casually in Brawl. He really doesn't seem significantly different than Brawl, which is why I say what I do. I don't think Link can really force characters to play 'his game', so to speak.

 

[shrooby]

Funny thing is that the Pokemon community Greninja'd us using "Greninja'd."

 

[Hong]

I don't play Link competitively, no, but I did dabble casually in Brawl. He really doesn't seem significantly different than Brawl, which is why I say what I do. I don't think Link can really force characters to play 'his game', so to speak.

The projectiles have more launch power, though. This is one of the most defining differences.

In fact, I would be so bold as to say it is actually on par with the Japanese version of 64... which is huge. Keep in mind in Brawl, the projectiles were kind of pathetic; usually the victim could find themselves gaining ground on Link, even after taking a boomerang or a bomb. This is changing in Smash 4, which has more force and angular launch power on impact. Half of the cast will actually be at a deficit when they let themselves take a hit, which will help Link better control the tempo of the match.

Another thing that bugs me, aside from the slowness of the dash attack, is I really wish the Gale Boomerang was not the default. :|

I can't say I am a huge Brawl or PM player, but coming from the 64 version and Melee, I'm really looking forward to Link.

 

[Drakonis]

Oh, Drakonis. What am I supposed to do with you.

Whatever you want, my dear. 'Cause whatever it is, with you...

Unless it hurts really badly.

I don't play Link competitively, no, but I did dabble casually in Brawl. He really doesn't seem significantly different than Brawl, which is why I say what I do. I don't think Link can really force characters to play 'his game', so to speak.

As I said before, I've never been a competitive player. But to me, a casual player that likes to dabble in some matches for glory every now and again, Link feels significantly better than in Brawl. Though I might have to try him out against the full roster to see if the improvements actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[False Sense]

Once again, the Robin social thread is more informative about how other characters play in Smash 4 than the actual threads for those characters.

 

[Unkown Hero]

The projectiles have more launch power, though. This is one of the most defining differences.

In fact, I would be so bold as to say it is actually on par with the Japanese version of 64... which is huge. Keep in mind in Brawl, the projectiles were kind of pathetic; usually the victim could find themselves gaining ground on Link, even after taking a boomerang or a bomb. This is changing in Smash 4, which has more force and angular launch power on impact. Half of the cast will actually be at a deficit when they let themselves take a hit, which will help Link better control the tempo of the match.

Another thing that bugs me, aside from the slowness of the dash attack, is I really wish the Gale Boomerang was not the default. :|

I can't say I am a huge Brawl or PM player, but coming from the 64 version and Melee, I'm really looking forward to Link.

Wait, there were differences with system different for 64, I thought it was just melee, huh.

Also, I kind of like the gale boomerang, i mean, it is safer on reflectors and is better in sm4sh

 

[Hong]

Wait, there were differences with system different for 64, I thought it was just melee, huh.

For whatever reason, Mr. Sakurai saw it fit to nerf Link from the Japanese version. ._.

... And basically nerf him for the next two games after that.

Also, I kind of like the gale boomerang, i mean, it is safer on reflectors and is better in sm4sh

The thing is I'll never say the Gale Boomerang is bad, because it's not. It's just not my style. Given where I play the character the most, my feelings should make enough sense.

 

[Unicorn]

Link feels pretty meh for me personally, but I've been spoiled by his badassery in Project M. He's not terrible, but I don't like his kill move options, his fair, dair, or Up-b.

'd means someone beat you to a post.

I was 'd on the shipping topic.

But since I aim for logical explanations:

Pairing characters together romantically(or at least friendship like), like:

x
x
x
x
x

Just as an example, before I piss off any shippers.

BTW, Lucina x Palutena is Smash Bros canon according to Sakurai himself, so that's not a ship.

Spoiler

 

[shrooby]

64 Link is easily my favorite iteration. In fact, I dislike playing as every Smash iteration of Link except 64 Link.
With that in mind, I like this iteration of Link. On top of his recovery actually being...a recovery, I agree with @ Hong on his projectiles being more effective at keeping opponents in disadvantageous situations. In Brawl, Link's projectiles were just too slow and didn't give enough knockback to actually be effective and make up for the fact that Link is so freakin' slow.
I'm not saying Link is "good" this time around, it's a bit too early to say. But I think he's much much better than Brawl Link, at the very least. Not that accomplishing such would've been very hard.

Once again, the Robin social thread is more informative about how other characters play in Smash 4 than the actual threads for those characters.

You're right...

Hey, everyone, let's talk about because Dedede sub-forum is dead despite my efforts to bring more life into it... Which makes me sad face.

 

[LIQUID12A]

BTW, Lucina x Palutena is Smash Bros canon according to Sakurai himself, so that's not a ship.

Spoiler

All the more reason to mention it.

 

[Narwalgod]

Once again, the Robin social thread is more informative about how other characters play in Smash 4 than the actual threads for those characters.

Well. We are tacticians...

 

[False Sense]

You're right...

Hey, everyone, let's talk about because Dedede sub-forum is dead despite my efforts to bring more life into it... Which makes me sad face.

Well, his Gordos look really good.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Hey, everyone, let's talk about because Dedede sub-forum is dead despite my efforts to bring more life into it... Which makes me sad face.

Dat new Final Smash. It's noice.

I still like ROB's redone FS more.

 

[Unicorn]

Dedede looks solid. He's got great aerials and throws, a pretty decent projectile (great in edge-guarding situations), and a hilarious down tilt. His recovery is pretty nice too, but I don't think you can cancel his up-B anymore, which is a little rough. Overall a great character I would say.

 

[Unkown Hero]

Well, his Gordos look really good.

Though they can be relfected by, well, anything, like tink's uncharged arrows

edit: How the hell does Rob's new FS work? it looks like a opens his head up then some fire's a GIANT LASER FROM A GIANT GUN INSIDES HIS TINY BODY?!

 

[shrooby]

Well, his Gordos look really good.

I would agree if they weren't reflected so easily.
What I do like, however, is it seems as though all three variations of the Gordo Toss are viable options. That will allow for nice mix-ups.

Dedede looks solid. He's got great aerials and throws, a pretty decent projectile (great in edge-guarding situations), and a hilarious down tilt. His recovery is pretty nice too, but I don't think you can cancel his up-B anymore, which is a little rough. Overall a great character I would say.

I'm not sure if he can or cannot cancel it, but Dedede is able to actually grab the ledge during the animation now.

And, yeah, d-tilt is extremely amusing and silly.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Looks like DDD Fair got sped up, or at least the new animation for it makes it look faster. I like.

Also DDD got a new Final Smash not because of Bandanna Waddle Dee but because Villager could possibly Pocket a Waddle Dee and use it outside of its intended purpose, causing the game to crash. :V

Same reason why the Centurions are missing out of the fun this game.

Doesn't explain Chrom though.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Doesn't explain Chrom though.

But it is woefully clear that Falcon punched him out of the roster.



And our dear tactician steps in his place.

 

[shrooby]

Doesn't explain Chrom though.

What if Villager could pocket Chrom?

 

[Mr. Johan]

I would immediately bust out laughing.

"Now I'm angry!" indeed.

 

[Hong]

Doesn't explain Chrom though.

Don't you know? You can Pocket Chrom for later use.

He WILL NOT FAIL!

Edit - I would say "", but I'm probably just slow.

 

[shrooby]

I'm probably just slow.