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Firstly, to the people saying Nosferatu is weird as a Down Special.. We don't even know that it's a command grab.
To me, based on the footage, it seems more like Mewtwo's Down B from Melee. A very quick/short ranged projectile that stuns the enemy for a second or two.
Secondly.. Now that we know more about how the Levin Sword works, I'm curious if the tomes will have the same type of durability mechanic. If they do, then what happens when a tome breaks? Will that special just become unusable for a certain amount of time? If that's the case, it'll be pretty scary if your Wind/Up Special tome breaks.. How are you going to recover?
I'm wondering if there will be a way to replenish them prematurely, before using the maximum amount of durability.
EDIT: Just to point something else out.. If it was a command grab, it would probably turn Palutena around when she was hit by it. Has there ever been a Grab (command or not) that didn't turn the opponent to face you?
Well I would equate it to Wario's N-B, where the player can do more damage by tapping B but the opponent can mash out of it. I feel like this would be the case for Nosferatu but Palutena didn't mash out for the showcase purpose of the trailer.
If two Robins are in the battle, would it be possible to have them lock you into multiple Nosferatus? I doubt they would let something like that go unchecked, although it would be pretty dang scary if it was possible.
Also, as @Mr. Johan
said, since Friendly Fire is typically on in doubles, I feel like a teammate heal Nosferatu exploit could be a little broken, but we'll have to wait and see.
Firstly, to the people saying Nosferatu is weird as a Down Special.. We don't even know that it's a command grab.
To me, based on the footage, it seems more like Mewtwo's Down B from Melee. A very quick/short ranged projectile that stuns the enemy for a second or two.
Secondly.. Now that we know more about how the Levin Sword works, I'm curious if the tomes will have the same type of durability mechanic. If they do, then what happens when a tome breaks? Will that special just become unusable for a certain amount of time? If that's the case, it'll be pretty scary if your Wind/Up Special tome breaks.. How are you going to recover?
I'm wondering if there will be a way to replenish them prematurely, before using the maximum amount of durability.
Well I would equate it to Wario's N-B, where the player can do more damage by tapping B but the opponent can mash out of it. I feel like this would be the case for Nosferatu but Palutena didn't mash out for the showcase purpose of the trailer.
Firstly, to the people saying Nosferatu is weird as a Down Special.. We don't even know that it's a command grab.
To me, based on the footage, it seems more like Mewtwo's Down B from Melee. A very quick/short ranged projectile that stuns the enemy for a second or two.
Secondly.. Now that we know more about how the Levin Sword works, I'm curious if the tomes will have the same type of durability mechanic. If they do, then what happens when a tome breaks? Will that special just become unusable for a certain amount of time? If that's the case, it'll be pretty scary if your Wind/Up Special tome breaks.. How are you going to recover?
I'm wondering if there will be a way to replenish them prematurely, before using the maximum amount of durability.
I was thinking before that when you lose a tome, it's gone for good, until you lose a stock. Although it would really suck to be missing a lot of your moveset, it would reinforce the idea of using your spells at the right time and not wasting them. But after finding out about the Levin sword, I feel like they will regen like the Levin sword, maybe shorter wait time though.
I would also imagine that it has some end lag so that it can be fairly punishable if whiffed, I can't speak to the range of the grab though, although it doesn't look incredibly long or short judging from the trailer clip, imo.
I was thinking before that when you lose a tome, it's gone for good, until you lose a stock. Although it would really suck to be missing a lot of your moveset, it would reinforce the idea of using your spells at the right time and not wasting them. But after finding out about the Levin sword, I feel like they will regen like the Levin sword, maybe shorter wait time though.
What if the match has been going on for 7 minutes? You've only used the Up Special a few times.. Then when you really need it.. WHOOPS SORRY NOPE, YOU LOSE.
That's why I'm hoping there will be some way to recharge it without using up all the durability. Maybe it'll replenish after a certain amount of time of not using it, regardless of it's current durability? That'd be fair if that was the case, then.
That way when you know your Wind tome is low on durability, you could focus more on not using it unnecessarily to give it time to recharge.
See, this is where my theory comes from. I think that different Tomes come with either a certain set of attacks or a single attack that varies in number of uses based on how powerful or potent the spells is. Thunder, fire or wind with a high number of uses, the El-level spells with more power and fewer uses and so on, with spells like Thoron or Nosferatu having as little as one single use, or close to.
What if the match has been going on for 7 minutes? You've only used the Up Special a few times.. Then when you really need it.. WHOOPS SORRY NOPE, YOU LOSE.
That's why I'm hoping there will be some way to recharge it without using up all the durability. Maybe it'll replenish after a certain amount of time of not using it, regardless of it's current durability? That'd be fair if that was the case, then.
That way when you know your Wind tome is low on durability, you could focus more on not using it unnecessarily to give it time to recharge.
I was thinking that you would burn all the way through its uses, but it would become available again after a short amount of time, like Rosalina's Luma, Wario's Bike (when destroyed), R.O.B.s Gyroid, etc.
Good Luck if you end up with Lunatic+. It is seriously the most painful thing I have ever experienced. I have beaten Awakening ~16 times now, give or take, since I've lost count. Yes I know that's weird. Most of the time on Lunatic difficulty, which is a pretty serious challenge. Lunatic+ is just out of this world. It's so hard that my Robin always has the "Distressed" face on, even in the conversations that are supposed to be funny.
Is there anyone in here that has actually beaten Lunatic+?
I was thinking that you would burn all the way through its uses, but it would become available again after a short amount of time, like Rosalina's Luma, Wario's Bike (when destroyed), R.O.B.s Gyroid, etc.
I was thinking that you would burn all the way through its uses, but it would become available again after a short amount of time, like Rosalina's Luma, Wario's Bike (when destroyed), R.O.B.s Gyroid, etc.
On a separate note, I feel like Robin will do quite well in the edgeguarding department considering she can cover a lot of space with her specials, namely her Thunder (N_B) and Fire Specials (S/D-B).
Her U-B would also be good for controlling the space right near the edge since it shoots straight down, assuming that Elwind is her U-B.
On a separate note, I feel like Robin will do quite well in the edgeguarding department considering she can cover a lot of space with her specials, namely her Thunder (N_B) and Fire Specials (S/D-B).
Her U-B would also be good for controlling the space right near the edge since it shoots straight down, assuming that Elwind is her U-B.
Robin has a lot of space covered. There's the Arcfire that shoots downward at a wonderful 45 degrees, two Elwinds that shoot downward around 75 and 80 degrees, and Thoronhameha is a fast long concentrated form of ouch that runs parallel on the horizontal.
Only area Robin doesn't cover is anywhere above, but that means landsharking.
Depending on how long it takes to charge Thoron, couldn't it be a really good pressure tool on something like FD, since it seems to cover the whole stage length?
They'd have to get in the air to avoid it, and give you a chance to out-predict them.
I dunno, I love how tactical the theory for Robin is, though. These are the elements of Sakurai's genius, despite the occasional bad points he has.
Also...especially with the Levin sword info today...Robin really is like Olimar 2.0 on steroids; its going to be all about how well you micro manage your levin sword and tommes in battle and their uses, since the bronze sword is most likely garbage.
Also...especially with the Levin sword info today...Robin really is like Olimar 2.0 on steroids; its going to be all about how well you micro manage your levin sword and tommes in battle and their uses, since the bronze sword is most likely garbage.
After this, Sakurai can have all my money for this game. So glad the based him off a tactical style, and I can't think of any other characters besides Olimar with cool management like this.
1. What is your favorite class for Robin?
2. What is your favorite marriage partner for Robin/favorite Support Conversation(s)?
3. What is your favorite parent for Morgan (aside from Robin)?
I guess I'll take this a little more seriously, though I really do like Tharja.
1)
Male:
Probably Stahl, this might be a weird choice but I have my own personal attachment to him. I'd say Stahl is the closest to me personality wise as well.
Female:
Tharja, and I actually have no idea why. It might have to do with the fact that I don't feel right pairing her with anyone else but Robin (If I'm playing as a male) or Gaius when I'm playing as a female Robin. I'm rather perplexed at why I'm so attracted to her... I guess It'll always be a mystery to me!
2) Since my Fire Emblem experience is limited to Awakening, I'd have to say Lucina. I hope I can play some older Fire Emblem games in hopes of meeting new characters. Only reason why I don't pick Chrom as my answer, even though I do like him, he feels too perfect as a protagonist.
1) My favorite class for Robin will always be Tactician, I love the robes and everything, though I generally use other classes since I'm always re-classing for those OP skills.
2) I mentioned this before, but for Male Robin it's hands down Tharja. For the female counterpart, I've usually chosen Chrom as I love the conversation between Avatar and Lucina closer to the end of the game
Where Lucina says you'll betray Chrom and etc.
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3) I never really payed to much attention to Morgan as I actually didn't find out about the children units until a while ago. I'll have to play through again and find Morgan.
I'm very impressed and pleased with everything that has been implemented in Robin's overall design. Seems like this Robin is +Skill/-Luck
On another note, I've updated the OP with the information that we were given this morning as well as a couple more user theories. Although the information proved many (if not all) these theories false, I'm deciding to keep them included in the OP just as a simple reference to see how close people were to what's really the case with Robin's colorful design/mechanics.
Ha ha, that'd be something else. Idk...although Robin clearly has all the hype now, I do see the tomes having too much content in them that tacticians-in-training won't bother reading. So in the end, Robin will be for hipsters
So a character who was originally considered Bottom 5/"lol just dtilt" from the start, but is now solidly middle tier, with some thinking he should be at the bottom of high tier?
I'm very impressed and pleased with everything that has been implemented in Robin's overall design. Seems like this Robin is +Skill/-Luck
On another note, I've updated the OP with the information that we were given this morning as well as a couple more user theories. Although the information proved many (if not all) these theories false, I'm deciding to keep them included in the OP just as a simple reference to see how close people were to what's really the case with Robin's colorful design/mechanics.
Ha ha, that'd be something else. Idk...although Robin clearly has all the hype now, I do see the tomes having too much content in them that tacticians-in-training won't bother reading. So in the end, Robin will be for hipsters
Meteor Smash on Elwind would seem kinda ridiculous imo. Honestly it already seems pretty useful. There's not many projectiles in the game that can be shot downwards at that length/speed. Seems useful for edgeguarding characters that usually like to recover low.
Ha ha, that'd be something else. Idk...although Robin clearly has all the hype now, I do see the tomes having too much content in them that tacticians-in-training won't bother reading. So in the end, Robin will be for hipsters
Yeah, it's kinda funny. It almost seems like Sakurai came up with the durability mechanic precisely for those new people that would usually just spam the same moves over and over.
Meteor Smash on Elwind would seem kinda ridiculous imo. Honestly it already seems pretty useful. There's not many projectiles in the game that can be shot downwards at that length/speed. Seems useful for edgeguarding characters that usually like to recover low.
Yeah, it's kinda funny. It almost seems like Sakurai came up with the durability mechanic precisely for those new people that would usually just spam the same moves over and over.
Megamans hard knuckle is also a ridiculous projectile meteor.
but custom special moves won't make a move that much more advantageous. I swear people expect so much out of these things.
Yeah, it's kinda funny. It almost seems like Sakurai came up with the durability mechanic precisely for those new people that would usually just spam the same moves over and over.
It does indeed have some nifty applications outside of being a true Fire Emblem mechanic. He definitely wants Robin's whole moveset explored, that's for sure. Mainly because you kinda have to in Robin's situation
Ha ha, that'd be something else. Idk...although Robin clearly has all the hype now, I do see the tomes having too much content in them that tacticians-in-training won't bother reading. So in the end, Robin will be for hipsters
