Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Bowserlick]

So Robin is the antithesis of Lucario.

He starts off strong and gets weaker as the match goes on.

 

[ToastMiller]

So, this might be a bit controversial, but I think the attack in this gif

may actually be a down smash. If you look closely, sparks travel forward and behind Robin when the sword hits the ground, giving the attack the typical dsmash coverage.

Of course, this begs the question of what how this attack will work without the electricity from the Levin Sword when using the Bronze Sword. Honestly, I think the answer is fairly simple.

It'll just kinda suck.


If you watch the charging gif, the electricity becomes larger and orangey once the charge reaches Arcthunder.

This would leave room for the supposed fire jab finisher to actually be a side smash, even though the bronze sword is being used. the bronze sword won't omit the use of smash attacks.

 

[sunfallSeraph]

I have two questions to start us off:

1) Who is your favorite Fire Emblem character?
2) Who is your favorite blue haired lord?

1) Might change once I actually play Awakening, but I love Soren to death in the Tellius series. His backstory and supports with Ike give me alls the feels. All of them. Honorable mentions to Heather and Micaiah (though the latter is a bit of a love/hate relationship).
2) I love both Ike and Lucina. Ike wins in character since I only know bits and pieces of Lucina's story, but her design and overall archetype are just so great. Looking forward to learning more about her.

Yeah, my opinion on the roster changed substantially since Robin and Lucina were revealed. It is weird because I really like Mega Man, I was glad to see Pac-Man being confirmed as a fighter and Palutena was one of the characters I supported since the announcement of the new Smash, but the first reveal trailer to excite me so much was Robin's (seriously, I was SHAKING during the announcement). I am not entirely satisfied with roster yet, because I still want Ridley to be announced and Ghirahim being a fighter in the game would as wonderful as the character, but at least two of my most wanted characters were confirmed already (one of them, Robin, being my #2 most wanted, mind you), with Lucina as a nice bonus.

This is basically how I feel after Monday's reveal. I was prepared to swallow my disappointment with the roster and make the best of it on the basis that we at least got Palutena, and (most of) the rest of the newcomers looked really well developed. But I haven't once felt as invested in the roster as I was after Monday. Robin is literally everything I had hoped for in a newcomer aesthetically and mechanically; the unique durability mechanic, the plethora of unique spells (dark magic in my Smash!), the awesome weapon, the dark color scheme, the excellent character design, not leaving us hanging with the female alt... so great. I'm definitely awaiting the mind-blowing and long-overdue villain trailer with Rids, K. Rool, Ghirahim, and Mewtwo, but it all feels almost like icing on the cake at this point.

 

[Malkior7]

Robin looks real hard to use

 

[DarkChaosGames]

Really the WORST way they could pull this off is if they make the tomes only recharge based on stock. (dying and re-spawning)

I trust in Sakurai since it looks like he has done very well with the other newcomers.

Also, wouldn't it be great to have a meter above your health % similar to Little Mac showing images of the four tomes and how much we have left of each?

 

[Senario]

Robin is going to potentially have crazy combo variety that are dependent on his tomes and how they affect his jabs and possibly tilts and dash attack. We've already seen how the fire and wind jabs will send the opponent in different trajectories.

Well maybe...I still think the ending animation and landing lag on a lot of his moves are too long makoe great combos. You could have it where you can cancel the animation with a jump but I highly think such a fighting gam type mechanic will be overlooked by sakurai.

Also, one has to wonder if all of his weapons regenerate after death.

 

[mimgrim]

The questions I will pose to you guys are 1. What FE weapon is your favorite? (Ragnell for me)

I don't really have one.

and 2. If Robin could wield any weapon in Smash, what would you choose? (Sonic Sword is really badass and is similar in abilities to the Levin Sword so that would be my choice)

Brave Sword.

 

[Reila]

Arena Ferox doesn't seem to be that great either (though undoubtedly more exciting than the Colosseum), but it seems to be better than the Fire Emblem stage in Brawl, so there's that.

 

[Yodude57]

Personally for the specials I'm thinking:
Thunder neutral b
Fire side b
Dark lightning up b
Wind down b

EDIT:
Thunder neutral b
Fire side b
Dark lightning down b
Wind up b

 

[mimgrim]

Well. We know how the Levin/Bronze Sword work now.

I think it's safe to presume that tomes will work in a similar way, besides switching to a weaker version that is.

 

[jaytalks]

Robin's details also remind me think of Pokemon Trainer. Definitely a high risk, high reward character.

I think there has to be a button for switching tomes (probably the b down), and the tomes don't regenerate until they are all used up and need to be rested.

 

[Deleted member]

A note about Nosferatu, I feel like it may be D-B (although S-B would make more sense) because in watching the trailer, if you slow it down during that footage, Robin seems to dip slightly into a crouching animation before coming out with the command grab (as would make sense if it was D-B since you would crouch unless the input is simultaneous.). I don't know if it's a part of @Moon Monkey 's GIF though:

Slow it down at about 1:37.

 

[PlateProp]

Well maybe...I still think the ending animation and landing lag on a lot of his moves are too long makoe great combos. You could have it where you can cancel the animation with a jump but I highly think such a fighting gam type mechanic will be overlooked by sakurai.

Also, one has to wonder if all of his weapons regenerate after death.

There's just a cooldown on Levin sword after in breaks before you can call it out again, I assume tomes will work the same way or you'll be able to just pull new ones.

 

[Bladeviper]

Personally for the specials I'm thinking:
Thunder neutral b
Fire side b
Dark lightning up b
Wind down b

el wind is his up b, the clip shows it propelling him upwards after cast

 

[Mr. Johan]

Arcfire's been specified twice, in the trailer and in a Miiverse post, and Robin is performing the same pose in both moments, so it has to be its own special move.

It's very likely Robin'll automatically swap over to the Fire Tome when you activate Arcfire, and will keep Fire on hand until you use another move that uses another tome, at which point Robin will automatically swap to that one if he can.

 

[GuyWithTheFace]

Feels so weird to be absolutely 100% content with the roster ever since Robin was revealed. I can't think of anyone of substantial desire. I know it's just me and there are lots of folks still looking forward to characters, and that's fine. Roster never really changed how much I wanted a Smash Bros game since within a month a lot of people really don't care who the character they are playing as, but it is still really cool to have characters I actually like with a fighting style that appeals to me.

It's so weird... The only character I have left that I want is Shulk. I've got one of my top two most wanted, I have great confidence in the other, and then as long as my final main from Brawl, Ness, is back... I really don't think I could be more satisfied with the roster! Everything else would just be icing on the cake. With Robin and all of the other great newcomers, this has already become my favorite Smash roster yet. Really, even if they suddenly announced that they were done with the roster and there would be no more newcomers, I'd still be 100% satisfied. Shulk would bring that satisfaction percent up to 120%. It's odd. People have asked me how I feel about character X, Y, or Z, getting on the roster, and my response has basically been "At this point I'm so satisfied with what we have, I really couldn't care." I love it!

 

[Raziek]

Anyway, an official introduction, since I plan to be around here a LOT.

I'm Raziek! I'm from Halifax, Nova Scotia (which is in Canada) and I'm 22.

Started playing Smash comeptitively with Brawl in 2009, and progressed from there into a leadership position in my local scene, organizing events, running brackets, etc. I'm very passionate about competitive Smash and growing my community, I've made so many amazing friends through mutual love for this game.

I main Marth in Brawl, Sheik in Project M/Melee.

Characters that interest me for Smash 4 thus far: Robin (plan to main), Lucina, Marth, Ike, Sheik, Greninja. I tend to like fast characters with good space control, either by means of projectiles, or strong disjoints.

I'm also an extremely avid Fire Emblem player. Started with FE7 around the time it released (amazingly, not because of Melee) and fell in love with the series. I've played every English FE numerous times on the hardest difficulties, with one or two exceptions.

I also enjoy making custom sprites as a hobby (my avatar is one such sprite).

I have two questions to start us off:

1) Who is your favorite Fire Emblem character?
2) Who is your favorite blue haired lord?

Favorite is a tough call. I'm going to go on a by-game and by-gender basis, because that makes it much less agonizing to choose.

6: Klein & Fir
7: Heath & Florina
8: Joshua & Natasha/L'Arachel/Marisa (I love them all, and always choose Josh's waifu by means of a coin toss.)
9/10: Stefan & Jill
Awakening: Inigo & Nah

Favorite blue-haired Lord: Lucina, for sure. Laura Bailey's voice acting is godlike, and she is just beautiful in all of her cutscene appearances.

1. What is your favorite class for Robin?
2. What is your favorite marriage partner for Robin/favorite Support Conversation(s)?
3. What is your favorite parent for Morgan (aside from Robin)?

1) I like Dreadfighter, but Wyvern Lord is a close second.
2) Lucina. I find it exceptionally fitting for the story.
3) See above. I also get a broken Morgan out of it. Olivia!Lucina!Morgan(F) is too good.

 

[mimgrim]

Sakurai already that the tomes change on the special you use.

Honestly, I would call this mechanic bad. Especially not Ptrainer bad. We still need to know the extent at which the Bronze Sword will weaken him, and as long as it has good range to it you could just space out with it until you get the Levin Sword back.

Now tomes. Tome are trickier. They don't get replaced by a weaker version, as far as I know, and so when we lose them we lose them until they, presumably, regenerate. Based on what we know, this means that we will actually lose access to moves since as far as we know, there aren't any Special for when you don't have tomes. That alone sounds like bad design, hopefully Sakurai will be smart enough to give Robin sword Specials for when tomes go out.

 

[Phaazoid]

So Robin is the antithesis of Lucario.

He starts off strong and gets weaker as the match goes on.

Not necessarily. Sakurai said today if his sword breaks it takes time to regenerate, and we still don't really know how the tomes work.

 

[Stalkos]

I like the idea of Grima being a stage. Wouldn't be really cool to have a stage like the last chapter of FE:A?

And, if they plan to add boss hazards, to at least one of each franchise, Grima fits well for the FE (or the Dark Knight ).

And, I simply loved Robin FS. It is really a tribute,you can see that even being Robin's, Chrom is the one that steals the spotlight.
It is his lateral box that appears, it is he that calls "ON MY MARK". It's quite beautiful.
Of course we didn't saw it fully, but I expect it to end with a lateral box of Robin and a Ignis strike with magic and the petals.

 

[Raziek]

Still sulking not only in GameFaqs I see.

As for the Final Smash, it should be called the Chrombo.

Chrombo is the best name. You win.

 

[Banjodorf]

I think the only thing that needs to be done is make the tome recharge time very short (10 seconds seems good.)

As for the Levin sword, probably a little longer, as it doesn't take as much to aim and use properly.

 

[Raziek]

I would try not to look at it as the Bronze Sword weakening Robin. Think of it as the Converse, with Levin Sword being a super-mode.

Based on the amount of hitstun and impact the LS had, I expect the BS to still be entirely playable and will likely be the 'default form' for the character, with the LS for times when you need to go ham.

 

[Drakonis]

That alone sounds like bad design, hopefully Sakurai will be smart enough to give Robin sword Specials for when tomes go out.

"Aah, all my magical tomes are used up... only thing left is my trusty strategy book!" *looks at it a for second* "That's THE solution!" *chucks book at enemy*

 

[GamerGuy09]

*yaaaawn*

Did we have any more breakthroughs?

 

[Banjodorf]

I would try not to look at it as the Bronze Sword weakening Robin. Think of it as the Converse, with Levin Sword being a super-mode.

Based on the amount of hitstun and impact the LS had, I expect the BS to still be entirely playable and will likely be the 'default form' for the character, with the LS for times when you need to go ham.

This is what I've been thinking. The Levin sword looks extremely powerful, and probably has a very limited durability. I wouldn't expect the bronze sword to be almost useless, and a major downgrade, just...normal.

 

[Reila]

Hi Raziek! Nice to meet you.

I should introduce myself as well, but I will save this for later.

 

[ToothiestAura]

What we have now is absolutely incredible and IMO way cooler than anything Grima can do, I'll agree to that.

I would honestly love a better Fire Emblem stage for Wii U since Colosseum is kind of boring.

Considering how FE was jipped in terms of stages in the past, I could see there being a second one. Especially with 2 Awakening reps. Heck, maybe even an Awakening stage. But Colosseum is essentially Arena Ferox and that's rather boring.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

We know the true reason why Robin carries so many Tomes:

 

[Baws]

Honestly at this point I'm kinda hoping Elwind isn't the recovery, though it most likely is. I'm hoping Elwind is the down air like mentioned before so that we can get a melee recovery (possibly Ignis) so that we CAN recover while tomeless. Otherwise with Robin's seemingly weak normal jump height this could be very detrimental.

 

[Raziek]

I can't imagine they'll leave him without a recovery if his tome is broken. That would be rather excessively punishing. Especially because it didn't look like Elwind even propelled him that high.

 

[mimgrim]

I would try not to look at it as the Bronze Sword weakening Robin. Think of it as the Converse, with Levin Sword being a super-mode.

Based on the amount of hitstun and impact the LS had, I expect the BS to still be entirely playable and will likely be the 'default form' for the character, with the LS for times when you need to go ham.

Well. I'm going with the presumption that he starts with the Levin Sword, which seems to be the case (especially with whole durability thing), and that he can only switch to the Bronze after the Levin breaks, but when the Levin as regenerated he will automatically go back to that, which again seems to be the case.

 

[Banjodorf]

I think it's just a matter of saving Elwind for the times when you really need it. It's also one of those things I think we'll just have to see in action.

Sigh. Is it September yet?

 

[Soul.]

So this heals and does damage at the same time? I suppose it'll be a good move, but eh. Maybe it's the Down B.

 

[GuyWithTheFace]

My best guess is that after running out of tomes you get some weaker melee specials. Not strong enough to knock anyone out, but enough to keep a good player in the game until their tomes regenerate.

 

[GamerGuy09]

We know the true reason why Robin carries so many Tomes:

I love for some reason he has eye beams.

 

[ToastMiller]

*yaaaawn*

Did we have any more breakthroughs?

This would leave room for the supposed fire jab finisher to actually be a side smash, even though the bronze sword is being used. the bronze sword won't omit the use of smash attacks.

what do you think of the possibility of his fire finisher being a fsmash, the gif in my post being a dsmash and the arcwind looking infinite being the actual and only jab combo?

 

[Sayjin]

I can't imagine they'll leave him without a recovery if his tome is broken. That would be rather excessively punishing. Especially because it didn't look like Elwind even propelled him that high.

It wouldn't be unprecedented. Ice Climbers lose their recovery if Nana dies. Doesn't Olimar too if he runs out of Pikmin?

 

[Mr. Johan]

Not having the required tools to recover or perform a move did not stop devs from giving Olimar empty Smash attacks and aerials, and Olimar and Sopo nonexistent UpBs when their means of recovery were knocked away.

Realistically speaking, the same will apply to Robin based on precedent.

If Olimar and Ice Climbers are anything to go by, with the tools on hand, Robin will be inconceivably AMAZING. If the opponent can survive the magic onslaught long enough though, Robin becomes much easier to handle, but they nonetheless have to be wary because of the Bronze Sword.

 

[GamerGuy09]

what do you think of the possibility of his fire finisher being a fsmash, the gif in my post being a dsmash and the arcwind looking infinite being the actual and only jab combo?

It is either a light version of the Side-B or a part of a Jab combo. The start up is way to fast for a Smash Attack.