Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Backgammon]

I get the feeling people are going to be off on a lot of things for Robin.

For example, what if you can use Elwind while airborne as many times as you want until it runs out, without going into free-fall? If the tome only has, say, three charges that replenish quickly, you would want to manage it very carefully and only use the bare-minimum if you can afford it. I know both the trailer and gameplay footage have showed it used twice, but I think that may be a coincidence.

It's almost as if Sakurai is trying to mess with us...

 

[Mr. Johan]

It really does look like Fire-Tome equipped Jab combo will be either the go-to KO move, or the preferred KO setup, upon second glance.

Look how much that attack sends the heavy Captain Falcon compared to the typically-stronger Down Tilt. The latter sends Falcon a mere foot; the former sends him quickly offscreen.

It's awesome to have such a reliable KO setup for Robin. Especially since Arcfire itself is easy to use and setup.

 

[ToastMiller]

It really does look like Fire-Tome equipped Jab combo will be either the go-to KO move, or the preferred KO setup, upon second glance.

Look how much that attack sends the heavy Captain Falcon compared to the typically-stronger Down Tilt. The latter sends Falcon a mere foot; the former sends him quickly offscreen.

It's awesome to have such a reliable KO setup for Robin. Especially since Arcfire itself is easy to use and setup.

That's one of the reason's I think it's actually a side smash. the Other side smash we see could just be a really sucky down smash that doesn't cover both sides of you.

 

[Sayjin]

So, two things I noticed/wonder. First is something that was brought up in the Lucina forums and subsequently stated by Sakurai as being the case. That is, based on the tailwind left behind by her sword, it was deduced that she did not have a tipper. Based on today's POTD, Robin has a different tailwind:

So does this mean Robin has a tipper like Marth?

Second is something I saw someone bring up in the POTD thread. What sort of customized moves could he have now that we know each special has its own tome? I'd imagine the non-Thunder based tomes would just get alternate versions (Arcfire base, Fire for speed but less damage/knockback, Micaiah's Pyre for massive range?), but what would Thunder get if it's truly "charge for higher levels"?

 

[Reila]

I don't have anything to contribute (I am just enjoying reading most posts), but I wanted to point out how big the thread already is in only three days. Robin's moveset potential is truly intriguing and wonderful.

 

[Drakonis]

One thing we didn't mention about the difference in jab combos is that he's using different swords at the time O.O
wowowow.How did we NOT notice that???

That fire finisher looks a lot like a side smash if you look at it closely enough though. There's even a giant fireball being covered up by falcon. Plus it look's a little strong to be just a jab finisher as a down tilt nor two regular sword slashes give him almost NO knockback.

One thing I feel i have to be blunt with is...

FE fans need to wake up. Sakurai is NOT going to give a character FOUR chargeable specials just so all your spells can be represented. Homage to original games isn't going to inconvenience the creation of move sets, it's very nice WHEN they CAN be applied like having ONE chargeable move that references a whole four different spells. Think of it like Ness, he was given special moves with names from his game, however he never learned any moves aside from his neut B in the actual earthbound game. Plus magnet doesn't work anything like it did in Earthbound. Also Ness fights with a bat, not unnamed fancy psychic affects. Robin's character is going to be twisted to best fit the game, the fact that sakurai is putting a FE character that isn't just a guy with a sword and a cape should make you guys happy enough.

as cool as it would be to create characters with their own mechanics, what most of you people want would draw too much time away from the creation of the game. Sorry if I was rude.

the same can be applied to custom special, as I see it this is how specials will work

Neut b can either choose between a fast charging, less damaging, possibly faster, version, the normal variation, or a slow charging, more damaging, possibly slower, version.

Side b will either go longer and do less damage or be closer and do more damage

Up b will either recovery more distance and do less damage or recover less difference and do more damage.

we're not quite sure what down b is IMO

And who's idea was it that Robin could preform aerial smash attacks? that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, would he charge up mid-air? He JUST means aerials. Maybe strong aerials, but aerials all the same.

It sounds to me like the sword can be activated at anytime regardless of the last time you broke it just by using a smash attack or aerial as we see no smash attacks or aerials preformed by the bronze sword. nevermind sakurai said it takes some time to regenerate

While I totally agree that the only chargeable attack is probably his neutral b (thunder->elthunder->arcthunder->thoron), the only reason why I even think that he might be able to use smash attacks midair is because the Miiverse post specificly points that out:

The Levin sword can be activated by using smash attacks--you can even activate these moves in midair!

Of course it could be that the aerials just resemble the smash attacks Robin would have on the ground. Time will tell.

 

[Mr. Johan]

That's one of the reason's I think it's actually a side smash. the Other side smash we see could just be a really sucky down smash that doesn't cover both sides of you.

Robin is seen flashing for a split second when he brings down his Levin Sword, an indication of that being a Smash Attack. He's also holding the Bronze Sword when he finishes those jabs with the Fire Tome, so that runs counter to Sakurai's statement today about how the Levin Sword comes out for Smash Attacks.

That fireball just comes out too fast and too soon after the second sword swipe to be anything but the Jab combo finisher.


Plus, it's not like Jab combos haven't been potent KO moves or strong in general. Snake and Ike had such moves in Brawl.

 

[M23-X0]

I really want the hooded Robin, and I already have my Robin from my game : the standard female

 

[ToastMiller]

Robin is seen flashing for a split second when he brings down his Levin Sword, an indication of that being a Smash Attack. He's also holding the Bronze Sword when he finishes those jabs with the Fire Tome, so that runs counter to Sakurai's statement today about how the Levin Sword comes out for Smash Attacks.

That fireball just comes out too fast and too soon after the second sword swipe to be anything but the Jab combo finisher.


Plus, it's not like Jab combos haven't been potent KO moves or strong in general. Snake and Ike had such moves in Brawl.

I couldve swordn he did that finisher with the levin sword. Thanks for pointing it out I'll edit my other post.

So, two things I noticed/wonder. First is something that was brought up in the Lucina forums and subsequently stated by Sakurai as being the case. That is, based on the tailwind left behind by her sword, it was deduced that she did not have a tipper. Based on today's POTD, Robin has a different tailwind:

So does this mean Robin has a tipper like Marth?

Second is something I saw someone bring up in the POTD thread. What sort of customized moves could he have now that we know each special has its own tome? I'd imagine the non-Thunder based tomes would just get alternate versions (Arcfire base, Fire for speed but less damage/knockback, Micaiah's Pyre for massive range?), but what would Thunder get if it's truly "charge for higher levels"?

I was also thinking this, the question is... is this good news or bad, also does lucina's blade have the same stats all over mean that the tip is just as strong as marths whole blade? Or is it averaged out? If the former is the case I hope Robin has a tipper mechanic.

 

[M23-X0]

Too bad we didn't get a Grima final smash. I hope that this game offers a way to customize the final smash as well, and having 2 final smash per characters would be a luxe !

But I still like this final smash, it reminds me of the "pair system" in the actual game.

 

[Folt]

So, two things I noticed/wonder. First is something that was brought up in the Lucina forums and subsequently stated by Sakurai as being the case. That is, based on the tailwind left behind by her sword, it was deduced that she did not have a tipper. Based on today's POTD, Robin has a different tailwind:

So does this mean Robin has a tipper like Marth?

Second is something I saw someone bring up in the POTD thread. What sort of customized moves could he have now that we know each special has its own tome? I'd imagine the non-Thunder based tomes would just get alternate versions (Arcfire base, Fire for speed but less damage/knockback, Micaiah's Pyre for massive range?), but what would Thunder get if it's truly "charge for higher levels"?

Regarding the tipper, that could be the case.

Regarding Thunder, maybe he'd get a different Thunder spell that doesn't charge? It could be something like Mjölnir or Katarina's Bolt (who's named after a mage who aspires to be a tactician).

 

[Pacack]

I totally called how the tomes change.

 

[Moon Monkey]

So:
= Thunder Tome Charge Shot
= Arc Fire
= El wind
= Nosferatsu

I'm guessing his Dashes, tilts and jab will be affected by these tomes.

 

[The Nerd]

Honestly, I'm not convinced that his regular B is chargeable in such a way that it cycles through thunder, elthunder, arcthunder, and Thoron; it would be very difficult to visually show off that you've reached each level of charge; yes the book has an animation that might suggest that, but in an intense battle it will be too small a detail to reliably use. I think there is *some sort of thunder* followed by Thoron. I also think the other specials will be similar in options for customization.

 

[Hong]

Reposting from Robin general, but these are my ideas for palettes.

Robin
Default
Default Hooded Edition
Red: Cloud-esque hair, bottom right.
Blue: Long hair with ribbons, second from bottom left
Green: Nah's pigtails
Lavender: Katarina

Robin
Default
Default Hooded Edition
Red: Longer straight hair, second from bottom right
Blue: Donnel's pot
Green: ****ing majestic hair as seen bottom middle
Lavender: Pent

The thing with Fire Emblem characters is that they always get blue, red, and green palettes. Aside from representing team palettes (which Smash 4 might not have with team outlines), they represent the colour of friendly, hostile, and neutral units respectively. Fire Emblem characters also get a palette that references a character from an earlier game in the series. Since Katarina is a Tactician herself, I felt she was perfect as a basis for a brighter lavender palette, and Pent was the closest male counterpart with similar colours.

 

[Deleted member]

Robin will already be on stage lying on the ground prior to the match starting. Chrom appears using warp magic to wake her up and help her to her feet.

Pouring more salt on an open wound, eh? I... actually approve of this. Of course, there are better places to sleep than on the ground, you know.

I totally called how the tomes change.

I knew that it had to involve specials as well. I'm thanking god that Robin doesn't have different tomes depending on your customizable moveset...

 

[ToastMiller]

Regarding the tipper, that could be the case.

Regarding Thunder, maybe he'd get a different Thunder spell that doesn't charge? It could be something like Mjölnir or Katarina's Bolt (who's named after a mage who aspires to be a tactician).

Custom special moves don't change the move that much, the custom specials would definitely charge as well.

Honestly, I'm not convinced that his regular B is chargeable in such a way that it cycles through thunder, elthunder, arcthunder, and Thoron; it would be very difficult to visually show off that you've reached each level of charge; yes the book has an animation that might suggest that, but in an intense battle it will be too small a detail to reliably use. I think there is *some sort of thunder* followed by Thoron. I also think the other specials will be similar in options for customization.

Even if you wouldn't be able to tell mid-battle it's obvious enough that the move cycle through those tomes as we can see the book changing from one zigzag to two zigzags to a cross hair AND that the thoron symbol is different. This specifically means FOUR different levels of charge are available. Maybe a tell-tale flash will be added so you can tell when you pass into the next charge level. Or possibly just a rumble.

So:
= Thunder Tome Charge Shot
= Arc Fire
= El wind
= Nosferatsu

I'm guessing his Dashes, tilts and jab will be affected by these tomes.

Mostly, this looks good. However, I'm not 100% sure nosferatsu isn't just a pummel. down b seems like a weird place to map a command grab IMO, possible though. I just don't think we have definitive proof

 

[Mr. Johan]

The sparks and aura coming from the tome visibly changes color as it moves From Thunder to Elthunder to ArcThunder.

No color for Thunder, Yellow for Elthunder, Red for ArcThunder. The logo of the tome changes at the precise moments the colors change too.

Seems to be a reliable indicator. Maybe once it gets to Thoron Robin just stops charging.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Mostly, this looks good. However, I'm not 100% sure nosferatsu isn't just a pummel. down b seems like a weird place to map a command grab IMO, possible though. I just don't think we have definitive proof

Well the only reason I assigned Nosferatu as a special is because Sakurai said "By the way, Robin’s tome changes with each special attack." And we've seen pics of Robin holding a Dark tome which suggest one of his specials must use a dark tome to change it to that state.

And I totally agree Nosferatu would be better suited for Side B it's more direction for something like a command grab,

 

[The Light Music Club]

Since I was so good at preserving my weapons in the actual game, I don't think it will be to hard to get used to the new mechanic. Honestly though, Robin must be pretty strong if they had to give her this mechanic.

 

[Folt]

Custom special moves don't change the move that much, the custom specials would definitely charge as well.

Well, they may just use the normal Thunder tomes but change their properties, like less range for more power and whatnot.

On the other hand, it could be like one of the custom specials are Mjölnir which you charge up. The attack would be the same, but properties like size and power would be different.

 

[GM_3826]

Reposting from Robin general, but these are my ideas for palettes.

Robin
Default
Default Hooded Edition
Red: Cloud-esque hair, bottom right.
Blue: Long hair with ribbons, second from bottom left
Green: Nah's pigtails
Lavender: Katarina

Robin
Default
Default Hooded Edition
Red: Longer straight hair, second from bottom right
Blue: Donnel's pot
Green: ****ing majestic hair as seen bottom middle
Lavender: Pent

The thing with Fire Emblem characters is that they always get blue, red, and green palettes. Aside from representing team palettes (which Smash 4 might not have with team outlines), they represent the colour of friendly, hostile, and neutral units respectively. Fire Emblem characters also get a palette that references a character from an earlier game in the series. Since Katarina is a Tactician herself, I felt she was perfect as a basis for a brighter lavender palette, and Pent was the closest male counterpart with similar colours.

The green color palette should have been that of the Tactician from Rekka no Ken's sprite. Green robes, yellow undergarments, brown hair, all that.

 

[Hong]

I totally called how the tomes change.

I mean, I didn't think we would have characters with some sort of cumbersome equipment system, ever. I know a lot of people thought Mega Man's variable weapon system would have to be something you manage, but that's just so horribly impractical.

The sword thing is interesting, though. We knew it would downgrade on use, at the very least.

 

[Deathlightning21]

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/characters/robin

What do you guys think of this possible moveset set up?

 

[Saito]

I wish the levin sword was always gold and charged with electricity like it was in the trailer.

 

[Bladeviper]

Well the only reason I assigned Nosferatu as a special is because Sakurai said "By the way, Robin’s tome changes with each special attack." And we've seen pics of Robin holding a Dark tome which suggest one of his specials must use a dark tome to change it to that state.

And I totally agree Nosferatu would be better suited for Side B it's more direction for something like a command grab,

i mean it could be. the way arcfire comes out seems like it could be a down special, since it arcs towards the floor

 

[Deathlightning21]

I wish the levin sword was always gold and charged with electricity like it was in the trailer.

It basically does if you think about it :3

 

[ToastMiller]

The sparks and aura coming from the tome visibly changes color as it moves From Thunder to Elthunder to ArcThunder.

No color for Thunder, Yellow for Elthunder, Red for ArcThunder. The logo of the tome changes at the precise moments the colors change too.

Seems to be a reliable indicator. Maybe once it gets to Thoron Robin just stops charging.

Thanks! That's very helpful.

Well the only reason I assigned Nosferatu as a special is because Sakurai said "By the way, Robin’s tome changes with each special attack." And we've seen pics of Robin holding a Dark tome which suggest one of his specials must use a dark tome to change it to that state.

And I totally agree Nosferatu would be better suited for Side B it's more direction for something like a command grab,

It seems very convincing to me that arcfire takes up side b because it looks and functions in much the same way as ness's pkf does and that's also mapped to side B.

Well, they may just use the normal Thunder tomes but change their properties, like less range for more power and whatnot.

On the other hand, it could be like one of the custom specials are Mjölnir which you charge up. The attack would be the same, but properties like size and power would be different.

Very likely IMO probably one will charge faster and deal less damage and one will charge slower and deal more damage. I DON'T think the other names of spells would be integrated into it, however. That sounds like a lot of work to impress a small audience

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/characters/robin

What do you guys think of this possible moveset set up?

looks pretty accurate, I still think Nosferatsu could be simply a pummel and the down b is a mystery to us. Either one is equally possibly in my eyes.

i mean it could be. the way arcfire comes out seems like it could be a down special, since it arcs towards the floor

Very possible. I think its more likely it's mapped to side b due to it's similarities to ness's pkf

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[Deathlightning21]

Also, the second post also comfirms my theory that the Elfire move is based off of the Anima/Elemental Mage of the old FE games

I'm so proud of myself :3

 

[Hong]

Grima would still make for an awesome stage or Assist Trophy.

 

[Moon Monkey]

i mean it could be. the way arcfire comes out seems like it could be a down special, since it arcs towards the floor

Yeah command grabs are best suited for a directional input like Side B. Like Bowser's, You would be able to do the side special in the opposite direction you are facing.

 

[Hong]

Something tells me playing Robin is going to hurt my head just as much as figuring this out.

 

[Hong]

I wish the levin sword was always gold and charged with electricity like it was in the trailer.

Maybe it does while it is in perfect condition, and gradually loses both lustre and energy alike with use.

 

[Saito]

Maybe it does while it is in perfect condition, and gradually loses both lustre and energy alike with use.

visible damage to the weapon?

That would be legit tight.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Robin is going to potentially have crazy combo variety that are dependent on his tomes and how they affect his jabs and possibly tilts and dash attack. We've already seen how the fire and wind jabs will send the opponent in different trajectories.

 

[Bladeviper]

Thanks! That's very helpful.


It seems very convincing to me that arcfire takes up side b because it looks and functions in much the same way as ness's pkf does and that's also mapped to side B.



Very likely IMO probably one will charge faster and deal less damage and one will charge slower and deal more damage. I DON'T think the other names of spells would be integrated into it, however. That sounds like a lot of work to impress a small audience



looks pretty accurate, I still think Nosferatsu could be simply a pummel and the down b is a mystery to us. Either one is equally possibly in my eyes.



Very possible. I think its more likely it's mapped to side b due to it's similarities to ness's pkf

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the nosferatsu animation just does not look like robins grab that that showed earlier in the trailer. Also I just don't see them not showing off all the specials for a character without a good reason.

 

[Deathlightning21]

It would help plan out your Strategy more through out the match

but heres another question for ya

how long will the recharge on the Tomes and Levin Sword?

 

[Mr. Johan]

We already know dtilt doesn't get affected by the equipped tome. At least from what we see. And if that and ftilt are not affected, I doubt Utilt will.

Btw, Wind-equipped Jab combo is my favorite of Robin's moves so far. It flows so perfectly, from the sword-swipe -> 1000 Wind cutters -> finishing sword+wind swipe. So unnecessarily loaded, yet so snazzily awesome. <3

 

[Bladeviper]

We already know dtilt doesn't get affected by the equipped tome. At least from what we see. And if that and ftilt are not affected, I doubt Utilt will.

Btw, Wind-equipped Jab combo is my favorite of Robin's moves so far. It flows so perfectly, from the sword-swipe -> 1000 Wind cutters -> finishing sword+wind swipe. So unnecessarily loaded, yet so snazzily awesome. <3

i really hope thats how robins jab works cause then it gives some unpredictability to what move to expect

 

[Hong]

It would help plan out your Strategy more through out the match

but heres another question for ya

how long will the recharge on the Tomes and Levin Sword?

12 seconds at most IMO.