Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[GamerGuy09]

Can we discard something before it breaks? Please tell us we can discard it before it breaks.

If not, I hope it will automatically revert to perfect condition if it has not been used for a long period of time.

I would actually like if it didn't. You would have to keep track of the usage.

In Robin's words, ahem "Strategy now That's!"

DAMN!

Looks good to me. The only thing that bothers me is that there are 3 electric attacks with three varying speeds similar to customizable moves. Don't get me wrong, if all four were the same attack, I'd prefer that.


Wait, where does it say that? It says the sword is, but not the tomes. I don't think he'd be left without side specials?

Well, I would expect so because Robin throws away a Tome because it is broken. So I assume maybe each special move has a durability of like 10, and it takes 30 seconds to recharge back to full.

 

[Anthinus]

Like I thought, the Tomes have a durability by usage. However when they run out, it probably takes a bit for it to recharge.

Yeah. If Levin breaks and regenerates after time, the tomes should work in the same way. I hope that Robin regains full durability of Levin and tomes after getting KO'd.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

Dag Nabbit.

As I was just about to say it was activated through Smashes or something.
Got ninja'd by Sakurai.

 

[Aninymouse]

Well that clears everything up then! Now the main questions are: Which shown specials were customizable and which were default.

Pretty sure he showed all the default ones, like every newcomer that wasn't Palutena or Miis.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Kay, were back. So. Any thoughts?

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

EDIT: Thought this was page 12 lol. Ninja'd by many.

 

[GamerGuy09]

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So as @ Mr. KoopaTurtle said, the Levin Sword is activated with smash attacks. What I don't get is that Sakurai also says that you can activate it in the air. Umm... what? If Robin actually has "Air Smashes", that would be wild. This throws the theory of the Levin Sword replacing tomes out the window. Pretty misleading trailer to be honest.

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Also the tome changing after you use a special attack is confirmed, which by extension pretty much confirms the (near?)unanimous belief here that the spells are specials. Gj gaiz

Sakurai phrases something oddly.

He says, "Robin's Tome changes for each Special attack."

Does that mean how the Neutral B works is that each time you push B it upgrades itself?

Or is he just referring to the fact each Special Move has its own Unique Tome to go with it?

 

[ORVO5]

Pretty sure he showed all the default ones, like every newcomer that wasn't Palutena or Miis.

So you're saying that part where female Robin uses Arcfire then Arcthunder means she must have charged Thunder beforehand? Just trying to be clear So many theories to sift through.

Sakurai phrases something oddly.

He says, "Robin's Tome changes for each Special attack."

Does that mean how the Neutral B works is that each time you push B it upgrades itself?

Or is he just referring to the fact each Special Move has its own Unique Tome to go with it?

That's how it works in the trailer. The tomes change color depending on which special you use.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

Sakurai phrases something oddly.

He says, "Robin's Tome changes for each Special attack."

Does that mean how the Neutral B works is that each time you push B it upgrades itself?

Or is he just referring to the fact each Special Move has its own Unique Tome to go with it?

Well as I said in my (now deleted) post, I interpreted it as the colour of tome Robin holds changes to the colour of the spell he last used. Whether this is purely aesthetic, or it actually affects moves like Robin's jab combo as some have theorised remains to be seen.

So, the latter.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I'm happy that we finally know how Robin will work. We just need the numbers.

Also, did anyone notice how Robin's roll is horrible? That's a downside I guess.

 

[Hong]

I would actually like if it didn't. You would have to keep track of the usage.

Will not be an issue if we have a very distinct and audible cue, or the information is shown on the HUD.

I'm happy that we finally know how Robin will work.

No we don't. He created a lot of new questions.

 

[ORVO5]

Well, I would expect so because Robin throws away a Tome because it is broken. So I assume maybe each special move has a durability of like 10, and it takes 30 seconds to recharge back to full.

This seems a bit broken though. Shouldn't he have his specials at all time? Maybe it's just the lightning tome after Thoron that gets discarded. If it's all of them, that means he could be left without a recovery move, which doesn't make sense.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Will not be an issue if we have a very distinct and audible cue, or the information is shown on the HUD.
No we don't. He created a lot of new questions.

Like what?

We know that Tomes will have a limited usage that will most likely regenerate after a period just like the Levin Sword.

And we now know how the Levin Sword works.

Also, Robin's roll is like SUPER bad.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

Like what?

Like how Robin can supposedly activate his Levin Sword in the air, even though it is activated by smash attacks.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Like how Robin can supposedly activate his Levin Sword in the air, even though it is activated by smash attacks.

Yeah, I wanted to get to that. I'm guessing his Forward air activates it, since that is the only aerial we see him use. And it is shown in the PoTD.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Like what?

We know that Tomes will have a limited usage that will most likely regenerate after a period just like the Levin Sword.

And we now know how the Levin Sword works.

Also, Robin's roll is like SUPER bad.

With Robin's excellent range and power, there's GOT to be some drawbacks. Robin seems to be the slow type whose not very mobile, but is a largely range-based fighter. As a mage, naturally, it fits perfectly. Robin has to focus on staying away from the enemy and striking hard from range, then closing in for the kill, all the while balancing tome and Levin Sword usage. Of course, though, Robin is also better in the air as they're very floaty.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I have two questions to start us off:

1) Who is your favorite Fire Emblem character?
2) Who is your favorite blue haired lord?

I must start off with me only playing Awakening. With that said:

1. Tharja most likely. Though, I have never unlocked all the extra characters so I can't say for certain.
2. Lucina.

Some questions of my own:

1. What is your favorite class for Robin?
2. What is your favorite marriage partner for Robin/favorite Support Conversation(s)?
3. What is your favorite parent for Morgan (aside from Robin)?

1. Assassin. Because if I couldn't use Magic, thats what I would be.
2. Tharja. Because I admittedly like Yanderes. (Though, I'm still experimenting. There could be someone I like more).
3. Nowi, because then my daughter becomes a dragon.

 

[Hong]

"Numbers" would fall under how much it can be used, and how long it takes to replenish. But there's still more.

We don't know the specifics of discarding the used tomes. Is it just the same command? Like if it's exhausted already, but can you discard it preemptively?

Can the fire spells be at all adjusted?

Does Nosferatu have a throw component?

Is firing Elwind twice a manual effort?

How will the game let us know when things are available again?

There are just so many questions.

 

[GamerGuy09]

"Numbers" would fall under how much it can be used, and how long it takes to replenish. But there's still more.

We don't know the specifics of discarding the used tomes. Is it just the same command? Like if it's exhausted already, but can you discard it preemptively?

Can the fire spells be at all adjusted?

Does Nosferatu have a throw component?

Is firing Elwind twice a manual effort?

How will the game let us know when things are available again?

There are just so many questions.

Yeah, I guess those are some important questions.

But we now know the general playstyle of the character, and I'm happy with that until release.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think the charge on his Fire and Thunder Magic moves can be charged and saved, like Lucario can save his Aura sphere. I'd expect Elwind to be available at all times due to it being his primary recovery move, but it likely cannot be charged.

As for the Levin Sword, looks like we'l have to choose moves carefully so that it doesn't revert to the Bronze sword at the wrong moment.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I think the charge on his Fire and Thunder Magic moves can be charged and saved, like Lucario can save his Aura sphere. I'd expect Elwind to be available at all times due to it being his primary recovery move, but it likely cannot be charged.

We haven't seen any evidence of Arcfire being chargable.

 

[FalKoopa]

We haven't seen any evidence of Arcfire being chargable.

*Yet.

 

[ORVO5]

I think the charge on his Fire and Thunder Magic moves can be charged and saved, like Lucario can save his Aura sphere. I'd expect Elwind to be available at all times due to it being his primary recovery move, but it likely cannot be charged.

Agreed. If tomes were discarded, the air tome (at least) has to be excluded. Unless we're OK with Robin not having a recovery until it recharges, lol.

 

[Hong]

My Robin is the one on the bottom row, second one from the left.

Spoiler

Only with black hair. She's single.

The questions I will pose to you guys are 1. What FE weapon is your favorite? (Ragnell for me)

and 2. If Robin could wield any weapon in Smash, what would you choose? (Sonic Sword is really badass and is similar in abilities to the Levin Sword so that would be my choice)

Wow. That was more then I was expecting to type.

Not a specific for each, but just the class.
1) Bows. Haters gonna hate.
2) Staves. Palutena's magic effects on her staff strikes are not a semblance as satisfying as a resounding "thonk". She doesn't count.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I feel like Robin has air smash attacks. If that's the case then this is character is nuts.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Agreed. If tomes were discarded, the air tome (at least) has to be excluded. Unless we're OK with Robin not having a recovery until it recharges, lol.

I'm fine with that. That's why Robin takes strategy.

 

[JaidynReiman]

No evidence of Arcfire being chargeable, but frankly, I think it'd make a lot of sense if Arcfire is chargeable. I'm positive I did see a much smaller fireball shoot out at one point which looked like the basic fire attack, so I'm pretty sure Fire can be charged, too.

Agreed. If tomes were discarded, the air tome (at least) has to be excluded. Unless we're OK with Robin not having a recovery until it recharges, lol.

I think Elwind should have the same effect, you just need to balance it properly. If you're getting low on durability and you're safe, discard it early. Assuming we CAN discard it early, and I do hope that is clarified. But I don't like this notion that Robin HAS to have a recovery at all times. Its a balancing issue, and in past games characters have been able to lose their recoveries, most notably Ice Climbers and Olimar. Even wing Pikmin can hurt Olimar's recovery.

I do think Wind remains consistent while Fire and Thunder can be charged. My guess is that, on the ground, the special is Arcwind, and maybe when on the ground but if you direct the attack up its regular Wind, while the air version is always Elwind.

EDIT: Actually, I think I got it. Wind CAN be charged when on the ground. It starts off as Wind, goes to Elwind, then finally Arcwind. Maybe Tornado, too. Just a thought, I don't know for sure.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

My Robin is the one on the bottom row, second one from the left.

Spoiler

Only with black hair. She's single.

...

Hey Hong...Want to have a Morgan?

I'm sorry. Not sorry.

Anyway, I decided to do a new game in awakening. I'll show you guys what my Robin looks when I can. :3

 

[Hong]

I think there is a possibility that only the Thunder tome may actually have a limited usage. We'll see.

Yeah, I guess those are some important questions.

But we now know the general playstyle of the character, and I'm happy with that until release.

That much is true. The sword question is... sort of explained. Discards my theories on having to power it up by casting spells.

I feel like Robin has air smash attacks. If that's the case then this is character is nuts.

This is the kind of stuff I want with new characters. Break the rules. Give us something powerful, and some kind of meaningful drawback.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think there is a possibility that only the Thunder tome may actually have a limited usage. We'll see.That much is true. The sword question is... sort of explained. Discards my theories on having to power it up by casting spells.
This is the kind of stuff I want with new characters. Break the rules. Give us something powerful, and some kind of meaningful drawback.

Like Ridley, with the ability to hover for a long time and have multiple jumps in the same moveset, but being rather slow. Robin's ability to do air smash attacks is a unique twist, but naturally, the Levin Sword's ability to break balances it out.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I think there is a possibility that only the Thunder tome may actually have a limited usage. We'll see.That much is true. The sword question is... sort of explained. Discards my theories on having to power it up by casting spells.
This is the kind of stuff I want with new characters. Break the rules. Give us something powerful, and some kind of meaningful drawback.

Same here. And having that insufferable landing lag on the fair(Smash fair?) as well as the stun and knock back would make sense.

Not to mention, we still know nothing of his jabs or tilts. Exploring this character is going to be fun.

 

[ORVO5]

I think Elwind should have the same effect, you just need to balance it properly. If you're getting low on durability and you're safe, discard it early. Assuming we CAN discard it early, and I do hope that is clarified. But I don't like this notion that Robin HAS to have a recovery at all times. Its a balancing issue, and in past games characters have been able to lose their recoveries, most notably Ice Climbers and Olimar. Even wing Pikmin can hurt Olimar's recovery.

I do think Wind remains consistent while Fire and Thunder can be charged. My guess is that, on the ground, the special is Arcwind, and maybe when on the ground but if you direct the attack up its regular Wind, while the air version is always Elwind.

EDIT: Actually, I think I got it. Wind CAN be charged when on the ground. It starts off as Wind, goes to Elwind, then finally Arcwind. Maybe Tornado, too. Just a thought, I don't know for sure.

That is true about certain character's recovery, but they still retain some form of recovery (even though it's really bad like solo Popo/Nana lol.) Ok so we see him discard the lightning tome. I assume that means he used it after Thoron? If that's the case, and if you can charge other tomes, then maybe they all start off weak needing to be recharged, and after you fire off the full power attack (like Thoron) they get discarded and return to base stats where you have to charge them up again? If that's true Robin will be pretty complicated. Though I still think it's just the lightning tome (and maybe the fire tome if that's also chargeable.)

 

[GamerGuy09]

Overview 2.0!:

Neutral B: Thunder

• Chargable, but resets!
• Thunder > Elthunder > Arcthunder > Thoron > Thunder
• Can save charges.

Side B: Arcfire

• Have not seen any signs of Charging, may be a possibility.
• A combination of Mario's Fireball and Ness's PK Fire.

Up B: Elwind

• Shoots at least 2 waves of Wind below him.
• The angle you shoot affects the angle you fly. (Move right, shoot left?)
• Might have a grounded version that has multiple hits.

Down B: Nosferatu

• Stuns the enemy.
• Drains life from them.
• Gives that life to you.

Levin Sword:

• Activated by Smash Attacks.
• Also activated by Forward Air?
• Deals more Damage.
• Has durability.
• Can recharge after a certain amount of time.

Tomes:

• Can be only used a limited amount of times before the Tome breaks.
• Most likely recharges.
• Not sure if this applies to non-special moves, such as his Jab Combo.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

That is true about certain character's recovery, but they still retain some form of recovery (even though it's really bad like solo Popo/Nana lol.) Ok so we see him discard the lightning tome. I assume that means he used it after Thoron? If that's the case, and if you can charge other tomes, then maybe they all start off weak needing to be recharged, and after you fire off the full power attack (like Thoron) they get discarded and return to base stats where you have to charge them up again? If that's true Robin will be pretty complicated. Though I still think it's just the lightning tome (and maybe the fire tome if that's also chargeable.)

The Tome after Thoron was used.

Yeah... A single use of Thoron isn't enough to make Robin ditch the book.

 

[ORVO5]

Yeah... A single use of Thoron isn't enough to make Robin ditch the book.

Why not? It would revert back to Thunder anyway.

 

[Delzethin]

So I was right about Robin switching tomes automatically with each special.

That's about the only thing I was correct on. >_>

So Robin pulls out the Levin Sword when you use a smash? Did Sakurai mean you can also take it out in midair, or just that once you're using the Levin Sword it also gets used in aerials? How many uses would it have before it "breaks"? Would a whiffed attack count as a use? Could you put it away manually to save it for later?

I thought the Thunder tomes would cycle after a certain number of uses, but that clip showing the Elthunder tome actually change to Arcthunder mid-charge throws a wrench in that idea. Female!Robin threw out Arcthunder with no startup, so it looks like the charge can be saved. But what happens once the tome runs out of uses? Does Robin not have access to that special for some time? What happens when you use that button combo again? Or maybe the uses are tied to individual tomes, and if that tome is used up, you have to hold the charge long enough to reach the next tome to get the attack off! Or maybe the tomes do cycle after all, and holding the charge long enough just "upgrades" the spell one rank for that use.

The latter seems unlikely now, but even as a chargeable attack, it means Robin has a semi-spammable projectile, a stronger stunning projectile, and a powerful laser in one move. Talk about having options. o_O

Hell, what about the other specials? Do they charge? Do they have multiple ranks of tomes? We haven't seen anything confirming or deconfirming them being like the Thunder tomes, so there's potentially even more cool stuff.

That's not even getting into how some of Robin's A attacks seem to be affected by his currently equipped tome. Did you see two different jab variants, one that ended in a fireball and another that ended in a bunch of wind blades?

And what in Naga's name do they have up their sleeves for the alternate specials?

Two days ago, so many of us were wondering if Robin had a chance at all, and now we're analyzing Robin's moveset. Incredible, isn't it?

I feel like Robin has air smash attacks. If that's the case then this is character is nuts.

Well...in Brawl, Kirby's hammer doubled as basically a midair smash attack. The revamped version is harder to use in midair, though, so it's a niche open for the taking.

 

[GamerGuy09]

So I was right about Robin switching tomes automatically with each special.

That's about the only thing I was correct on. >_>

So Robin pulls out the Levin Sword when you use a smash? Did Sakurai mean you can also take it out in midair, or just that once you're using the Levin Sword it also gets used in aerials? How many uses would it have before it "breaks"? Would a whiffed attack count as a use? Could you put it away manually to save it for later?

I thought the Thunder tomes would cycle after a certain number of uses, but that clip showing the Elthunder tome actually change to Arcthunder mid-charge throws a wrench in that idea. Female!Robin threw out Arcthunder with no startup, so it looks like the charge can be saved. But what happens once the tome runs out of uses? Does Robin not have access to that special for some time? What happens when you use that button combo again? Or maybe the uses are tied to individual tomes, and if that tome is used up, you have to hold the charge long enough to reach the next tome to get the attack off! Or maybe the tomes do cycle after all, and holding the charge long enough just "upgrades" the spell one rank for that use.

The latter seems unlikely now, but even as a basic charged attack, it means Robin has a semi-spammable projectile, a stronger stunning projectile, and a powerful laser in one move. Talk about having options. o_O

Hell, what about the other specials? Do they charge? Do that have multiple ranks of tomes? We haven't seen anything conforming or deconfirming them being like the Thunder tomes, so there's potentially even more cool stuff.

That's not even getting into how some of Robin's A attacks seem to be affected by his currently equipped tome. Did you see two different jab variants, one that ended in a fireball and another that ended in a bunch of wind blades?

And what in Naga's name do they have up their sleeves for the alternate specials?

Two days ago, so many of us were wondering if Robin had a chance at all, and now we're analyzing Robin's moveset. Incredible, isn't it?

Damn! I didn't even think of alternate specials!

Maybe they will change the element? Like what if Thunder turns into Fire and Fire turns into Thunder?

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

Why not? It would revert back to Thunder anyway.

My point was that in the trailer we see it revert back to Thunder without Robin getting rid of it. It stayed in her hand and she then transitioned into what looks like an idle stance (I'd be amazed if that was part of the move's endlag).

 

[GamerGuy09]

OH LORD NAGA! The Sword Glows when the Levin Sword is ready!

 

[ORVO5]

My point was that in the trailer we see it revert back to Thunder without Robin getting rid of it. It stayed in her hand and she then transitioned into what looks like an idle stance (I'd be amazed if that was part of the move's endlag).

You're gonna have to show me that part where it reverts cause I'm confused, lol. My understanding is that people here assume the lightning tome goes from Thunder to Elthunder to Arcthunder and finally Thoron. I can see it reverting back to Thunder (without discarding) if you charge it up to just Arcthunder, if that's what you mean.

OH LORD NAGA! The Sword Glows when the Levin Sword is ready!

I was wondering why you guys were thinking of cues lol.