Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[The Merc]

I'm really bad at Classic mode.

I've already soft restart 7 times, 5 for which was on 1 chapter.

 

[~Skelly~]

sorry, ~Skelly~ , i can't play in that kind of lag. i can't concentrate on what i'm doing.

good games either way. i'd recommend you not use so much of final cutter, hammer and stone, they're very easy to read and punish. decent combo game though, refine that and you may be onto something good!

Thanks. GG yourself. Truth be told, I don't use Final Cutter, Hammer or Stone often. Not sure why I was using them so much. Might've been the lag or the slight headache I have, I dunno.

I suggest you start using the tomes more. That's Robin's b&b and I hardly saw you use them.

 

[Deleted member]

@Wintropy

We should play again when I come to the end of my semester.

It's been way too long (generally) and I'd love to assist with your Robin play since I have way too much experience with Robin.

 

[Nah]

Really all of us could help out with Wintropy's Robin.

IAmMetaKnight would now be a good time or later?

 

[Elezir]

gg

Another blue wave came through this place, I see.

And I wanted to prank someone...Maybe I'll just extend @Antonykun's prank,then.

or maybe prank one of the few normal users that still exist here. No normal users shall remain in this thread.


Also, I really think someone whould use this as sign.

I'm just not snagging it because I already have my own dancing trio that I'm too fond of to change.

 

[praline]

I must be the only person (here) who never uses Robin.

 

[Koiba]

I must be the only person (here) who never uses Robin.

I feel ya

 

[Deleted member]

I must be the only person (here) who never uses Robin.

*Raises Hand*

I almost exclusively play and then run what is essentially a secondary and a pocket / for certain MUs.

I know Robin so well because I've played the / MU a countless number of times.

 

[praline]

I feel ya

*Raises Hand*

I almost exclusively play and then run what is essentially a secondary and a pocket / for certain MUs.

I know Robin so well because I've played the / MU a countless number of times.

Well this proved me wrong. lol

 

[~Skelly~]

I must be the only person (here) who never uses Robin.

Lol nope. Same here.

 

[Space Stranger]

I use Robin.

Spoiler

 

[Nah]

I'm pretty sure like half the people in this thread don't play Robin. But I play Robin.

 

[Rinku リンク]

Also, I really think someone whould use this as sign.

I'm just not snagging it because I already have my own dancing trio that I'm too fond of to change.

ONE DANCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Wow, never thought Id see something FE related as a logó of a random service.

 

[Gamegenie222]

Gamegenie222

Alright,

NOTE: I'll try to focus less on the obvious fundamental flaws and take a look more at their execution with Link's tool set.

I'll start with the FG kid:

First and foremost his projectile pressure is incredibly limited, so often it seems he'll elect to approach and attempt CQC as opposed to pressuring from a distance with all of Link's projectiles, which is dumb because Link's projectiles are so versatile. That is not to say that it is always a bad idea to approach with Link, but in most cases it's better for Link to hang back, build up a wall and force the opponent to approach him. When they (both players) do choose to approach there are a few things which they should definitely do:

1. Not always approach with aerials on shield, yes there is the shield stun buff which makes aerials a bit safer, but they'll still get punished, I saw them come in a number of times with FH falling Nairs, which you can get away with if you space it properly but otherwise you're going to get punished OoS.

2. When they choose to approach they should cover themselves with some sort of projectile pressure (intelligently, they should not blindly throw out projectiles while coming in.), this is again because Link's CQC is slow and usually unsafe.

3. Learn to Bombslide, this is a very very useful movement AT which allows Link to either pressure with bombs or feint pressure with bombs while literally sliding in close to his opponent (after which he can act into a lot of stuff very quickly). It's a good approach option for a character who's usually very slow on the ground.

See the following video for an explanation/introduction to the various bombslides:

(Credit to FSK and Fox is Openly Deceptive for the video).

IMO the forward bombslide, up-throw bombslide, back-throw fakeout bombslide and true back-throw bombslide are the most useful and the ones that a Link should be able to do at will.

Moving on,

In regards to the FG Link, it seems like a lot of his projectile use is almost "thoughtless" in a sense, it seems like he just throws it out there without a particular purpose. On that note I have a comment on the choice of projectiles:

IMO, Link's projectile hierarchy goes like this:

Bombs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boomerang >>>>>>>>> Arrows.

Bombs are far and away Link's most versatile projectile ( Z-catch/aerial catch bombs off shield deflections up-thrown bombs, SH Z-Drop bombs onto the stage, soft-throw back throw bombs (which will not detonate when they hit the ground), setups/confirms into U-air, D-air, U-B, Nair) and combined with the movement options they provide Link due to bombsliding a mastery of their use is damn near imperative for high-level Link play IMO.

I probably pull at least 50 bombs in a regular match, if not more.

The Boomerang is good for additional pressure because of its aimability, allowing it to cover angles that the bombs can't, the hitbox is also active for a deceptively long period of time so it can often catch spotdodges, rolls, and missed tech getups.

The bow is good for the occasional bow lock/reset off of close-range missed techs, gimping offstage (because jump steals, etc), and for covering landings and missed tech getups from a distance, but the fact that it locks Link in place means it shouldn't be the go-to option in the neutral unless you're catching a landing from a distance or already have some pressure coming from Link's other projectiles.

In addition to this qualm, I also take issue with the fact that the FG Link is often standing still when throwing out projectiles, one of the advantages that Link has over most of the other projectile characters is that he can be surprisingly mobile while applying projectile pressure, but the FG guy wasn't taking advantage of this and often would just stand in place charging the bow or throwing the boomerang.

One thing that I saw both players do that I think definitely needs to change is the usage of U-throw when the opponent isn't in kill %. Link's U-throw is his kill throw and without rage will kill everyone on the cast save for the super heavies at around 165% (Lightweights will die at 145% and lower), but at lower percents there's not a point to using it because Link has no guaranteed follow-ups out of it so all it does is add damage. In the case where you're throwing just for damage you may as well just use any of Link's other throws, or if you want to put the opponent above you, just use Link's D-throw. Furthermore, when they would throw the opponent upwards, nothing would come out of it, so often the opponent would just fast fall back down to the stage unharmed. Having the opponent above Link is IMO one of his best advantaged states because of the pressure he can apply with bombs and his Uair, up-thrown bombs can be used to keep the opponent in the air (and deal consistent damage, since bombs deal 5% on direct impact and aren't subject to damage-staling) or even better force air-dodges which will lead into Link's Uair.

A brief tangent about Link's Uair:

I like to call it "Frametrapping 101", the move has ridiculous vertical disjointed range and has an active hitbox from frames 11-40. This means that it beats every airdodge in the game, its hitbox is out for a total of 29 frames while the maximum amount of intangibility frames provided by an airdodge in the game is 25. As such an opponent will basically always continue to get juggled if they attempt to airdodge through it. In addition, because of it's very long-lasting hitbox in combination with the fact that Link has a very high fastfalling speed, it is very difficult for an opponent to attempt to airdodge and fastfall through it, as Link can simply fastfall on reaction after the Uair and more often than not he will still connect with the opponent. It's wonderful.

But I digress.

Aside from generally making some questionable/poor fundamental decisions, my biggest points of critique for the FG guy are that he needs to:

1a. Learn to bombslide and learn at what points he should apply this to his game.

1b. Work on applying more projectile pressure, and also work on being more mobile while applying this pressure. Especially work on making bombs the go-to pressure option, there are tons of things that can be done with them.

2. Work on mixing up his approaches, during his Samus match he was easily getting walled out for a good amount of the match, this could've been remedied had he been making use of the platforms to approach instead of trying to tank through Samus's wall of missiles.

3. Work on the various bomb setups and manipulation techniques in order to improve his bomb-pressure game. I reiterate bombsliding but I also again mention the importance of being able to consistently aerial/Z-catch bombs, learn how to soft-throw bombs, etc.

4. Be more aggressive off-stage, Link's Dair beats almost everything and is often at least free damage or a stage spike depending on the character.

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The "main commentator" guy had similar issues in his execution and decision-making, IMO, but to a less severe degree than the FG guy. One thing in particular I noted was that I don't recall him using Link's Clawshot for a tether recovery even once in all of the matches he provided, this is a great option which can sometimes prevent Link from getting gimped.

I have some particular qualms with some of his decisions overall as well:

I have already noted the "Up-throw" problem, and I feel like his projectile pressuring could also use some work (like the FG guy sometimes it seems a little thoughtless), he also needs to learn to bombslide.

In particular, there were a few times (specifically in the Megaman match) where he would Jab 1 -> Jab 2 -> and then FH Bair when he had free damage from Jab 3 or a Jab Cancel into any other option that would've done damage...? It seems to me like he goes for these needless mixups when they do nothing but let the opponent escape from what may as well have been guaranteed damage.

In the Dr. Mario match, I felt that he sometimes thoughtlessly airdodged (or simply didn't jump away) into the ground, which ended up costing him the match as he jumped off the ledge and just sort of fell into Doc's charged U-Smash.

In the Ganondorf match, instead of standing back, building a projectile wall and attempting to maintain consistent stage control, he continuously approached Ganondorf when that is what Ganondorf wants basically everybody to do. Link especially can't risk playing CQC with Ganondorf because his CQC is slow to the point that Ganon can actually keep up with him. Here too there were sometimes where I felt tether recovering would've saved his stocks where instead he chose to U-B and got edgeguarded.

Like the FG guy, this commentator also needs to work on his bomb tech: Z-catching, soft-throws, etc.

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That covers most of the specifics that I can think of, a few additional notes in closing:

1. Link's Hylian shield will block projectiles on the ground while both standing still and while walking, the only times it won't is when Link is dashing or when Link has a bomb in his hand. (I mention this because the main commentator guy apparently didn't know this, which honestly made me lol because it's a rather basic piece of knowledge).

2. Neither of these guys seem to believe in pummeling when they get a grab, both of them threw the opponent away immediately. There's never any sense in giving up a chance at some free damage like that, they need to remember to pummel.

3. One additional tech note: Link can SH Bair and the Bair will actually end early enough that Link can actually DJ before landing and throw out another aerial or do something else, just a minor note in regards to pressure ideas.

For more general tech information and useful stuff (such as Link's frame-perfect DI-dependent Hoo-Hah, other fancy technical stuff), please read the OPs of Link's Metagame and AT threads which are here and here respectively.

That's all I got for now, let me know if you have any other questions.~

Cool thanks. I will relay it to these guys as well and I Will be learning Link out of boredom on the side to help them out as well when I'm not focusing on my spacing

 

[WindHero]

OK, I just had a battle against a Marth on For Glory who showed me what a true epic fail is. I mean, seriously, if I could upload 3DS replays to YouTube, this'd be worth it.

So, I throw him off the ledge, try following with Fair, then he counters it. I hit the wall of Omega Tortimer Island, then try recoving back to the ledge with Airslash while he makes it back. He manages to knock me again, so I'm about to jump up... And he DAir spikes me. BUT... Tortimer Island has slightly outward angled walls, and I tech the impact. Eager to finish me, he runs off, doing another DAir, and I tech again, so he uses his second jump to chase me, but he sourspots the third DAir, sending me up, while his Dolphin Slash gets him nowhere... He falls first, I win.

Next match, he dies again for trying to hard to be epic, though not as excitingly. Of course, I pull out Robin, then school him in three games.

 

[Koiba]

Welp anyone here want to play?

 

[Deleted member]

Welp anyone here want to play?

If you do want to fight, I have a room open.

 

[praline]

Welp anyone here want to play?

No sorry. I don't play online.

 

[Koiba]

If you do want to fight, I have a room open.

Okay

Can you add my new NNID because I really don't feel like switching accounts ><

 

[SBphiloz4]

I must be the only person (here) who never uses Robin.

Eww Robin why would anyone main such a terrible character--

... Oh wait.

 

[Kotor]

Someone has hacked Awakening to include same sex marriage.

You'd be able to do supports like the following:

Male Robin x Chrom
Female Robin x Tharja
Virion x Libra
Chrom x Frederick
Lissa x Maribelle
Lucina x Severa
Owain x Inigo
Inigo x Gerome
Severa x Kjelle
Say'ri x Tiki
Lucina x Tiki

The hack even included regular s-supports such as:

Chrom x Cordelia
Chrom x Anna
Basilio x Flavia

 

[praline]

Someone has hacked Awakening to include same sex marriage.

You'd be able to do supports like the following:

Male Robin x Chrom
Female Robin x Tharja
Virion x Libra
Chrom x Frederick
Lissa x Maribelle
Lucina x Severa
Owain x Inigo
Inigo x Gerome
Severa x Kjelle
Say'ri x Tiki
Lucina x Tiki

The hack even included regular s-supports such as:

Chrom x Cordelia
Chrom x Anna
Basilio x Flavia

Lissa x Maribelle is my jam.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

something tells me kenith would hate this

Eww Robin why would anyone main such a terrible character--

... Oh wait.

control your sass gorl

 

[~Skelly~]

something tells me kenith would hate this

Let's find out! @Kenith

 

[The Merc]

something tells me kenith would hate this

control your sass gorl

Is this project x zone 2?

gg

Another blue wave came through this place, I see.

And I wanted to prank someone...Maybe I'll just extend @Antonykun's prank,then.

or maybe prank one of the few normal users that still exist here. No normal users shall remain in this thread.


Also, I really think someone whould use this as sign.

I'm just not snagging it because I already have my own dancing trio that I'm too fond of to change.

Why not Turtleman?

 

[Izayoi]

something tells me kenith would hate this

They took the "waifu" joke a little too far there.

But I can't complain.

 

[Deleted member]

Koiba
I think that disconnect was a sign that it had to be over...
Good games, though the lag was pretty frustrating for me.

 

[Koiba]

Koiba
I think that disconnect was a sign that it had to be over...
Good games, though the lag was pretty frustrating for me.

Yeah those first 30 seconds on our first match had me a little concerned lol

ggs to you too~

I like it how I don't know the MU even though we talked about it a couple weeks ago in the boards lol

Oh and is my weakness

 

[Izayoi]

Anyone wanna spar and beat me up?
Hopefully we don't get lag or disconnect as it seems to be happening often here.

 

[Koiba]

Anyone wanna spar and beat me up?
Hopefully we don't get lag or disconnect as it seems to be happening often here.

I'll try~


Go add meh~










Inb4 the lag slower than Jigglypuff's running speed

 

[WindHero]

Anyone wanna spar and beat me up?
Hopefully we don't get lag or disconnect as it seems to be happening often here.

If it's 3DS, I'm game.

If not, anyone up for 3DS smash?

 

[Izayoi]

I'll try~


Go add meh~










Inb4 the lag slower than Jigglypuff's running speed

Okeh!

If it's 3DS, I'm game.

If not, anyone up for 3DS smash?

Yeah, I was talking about the Wii U. Sorry.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Anyone wanna spar and beat me up?
Hopefully we don't get lag or disconnect as it seems to be happening often here.

One day

Koiba same thing

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone wanna spar and beat me up?
Hopefully we don't get lag or disconnect as it seems to be happening often here.

I'll break you in a few weeks when my semester ends.

Also is your NNID a League and/or Sky Williams reference?

 

[Rinku リンク]

Anyone wanna spar and beat me up?
Hopefully we don't get lag or disconnect as it seems to be happening often here.

 

[Devil May Plop]

Someone has hacked Awakening to include same sex marriage.

You'd be able to do supports like the following:

Male Robin x Chrom
Female Robin x Tharja
Virion x Libra
Chrom x Frederick
Lissa x Maribelle
Lucina x Severa
Owain x Inigo
Inigo x Gerome
Severa x Kjelle
Say'ri x Tiki
Lucina x Tiki

The hack even included regular s-supports such as:

Chrom x Cordelia
Chrom x Anna
Basilio x Flavia

I already wish some of these existed, so yyyeeesss.

something tells me kenith would hate this

If it's any consolation @Kenith I don't like it much either. Than again, I don't like the bride class period...

 

[IAmMetaKnight]

Really all of us could help out with Wintropy's Robin.

IAmMetaKnight would now be a good time or later?

I just got back from a thing. Sorry I'm late. Did you still want to play?

 

[Nah]

I just got back from a thing. Sorry I'm late. Did you still want to play?

Yeah. I'll make a room now
edit: oh wait you made one already lol

 

[Izayoi]

Koiba That was really fun. Thank you for all the sparring!