Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Hong]

Can I talk about something here?

I like Robin fandom. The cool images, the silly images, even the romantic images. Yeah, okay, you want to insert yourself as Robin in a relationship with a video game character. Cool. That's fantastic. None of my business.

But somehow my jimmies are rustled whenever people draw Robin body type 3 with enlarged knockers. Well, I suppose people will do that with any character, but it bothers me more when it's Robin. I hope Robin doesn't get the Zero Suit Samus treatment and they base it off the default Robin. >.>

 

[Another K-2L Survivor]

Can I talk about something here?

I like Robin fandom. The cool images, the silly images, even the romantic images. Yeah, okay, you want to insert yourself as Robin in a relationship with a video game character. Cool. That's fantastic. None of my business.

But somehow my jimmies are rustled whenever people draw Robin body type 3 with enlarged knockers. Well, I suppose people will do that with any character, but it bothers me more when it's Robin. I hope Robin doesn't get the Zero Suit Samus treatment and they base it off the default Robin. >.>

I hope no character in smash ever gets the Zero Suit Samus treatment ever again, definitely not Robin. Metroid is my all-time favorite franchise, and I've been disappointed quite a bit recently with some of the directions it has been taken, aesthetically in particular. Though I hate what has happened at times, I'd prefer for the damage to be contained to just Samus if it can be helped.

 

[DarkChaosGames]

Can I talk about something here?

I like Robin fandom. The cool images, the silly images, even the romantic images. Yeah, okay, you want to insert yourself as Robin in a relationship with a video game character. Cool. That's fantastic. None of my business.

But somehow my jimmies are rustled whenever people draw Robin body type 3 with enlarged knockers. Well, I suppose people will do that with any character, but it bothers me more when it's Robin. I hope Robin doesn't get the Zero Suit Samus treatment and they base it off the default Robin. >.>

Personally for me, as soon as there is a character worth caring about sexualizing them in any way just seems wrong.

It makes everything you were fond of in a character seem to degrade in a way to something so shallow that it really isn't "them" anymore.

 

[Glaciacott]

Can I talk about something here?

I like Robin fandom. The cool images, the silly images, even the romantic images. Yeah, okay, you want to insert yourself as Robin in a relationship with a video game character. Cool. That's fantastic. None of my business.

But somehow my jimmies are rustled whenever people draw Robin body type 3 with enlarged knockers. Well, I suppose people will do that with any character, but it bothers me more when it's Robin. I hope Robin doesn't get the Zero Suit Samus treatment and they base it off the default Robin. >.>

Sadly, this happens all the time. I was scared to search Palutena on google images, to a degree I still am since even with the influx of fan art with Smash making her more mainstream, there's still too much disturbing stuff.
Heck, it even happens with feminine pokemon, so one also has to fear searching for stuff like Glaceon or Gardevoir.

It's probably the fact that video games are still predominantly popular with young guys, most at an age in which they have to sexualize everything. And since that sells then the designers themselves do it for them.
Like you said, it's the kind of reality that really rustles one's jimmies.

 

[Hong]

Yeah. I suppose it feels more severe with a character like Robin (Lucina as well), because within her own product she is role model for a well-designed female character. :/ A "breather" among 2d "girly" characters like Peach, or sexual objects like Mai Shiranui. The latter was more or less designed for this subset of the fan-base.

 

[IronFish]

here's the female robin, took longer, because the hair was hard to get right.

 

[Hong]

here's the female robin, took longer, because the hair was hard to get right.

I'd imagine.

 

[Delzethin]

The difference is at the time of Melee, they could only fit direct clones. So Wolf looked like a LITERAL Fox recolor. At least by Brawl, they had enough time to make Wolf a lot more unique.

That's the thing. Melee and Brawl had more clones and half-clones because they were pressed for time. So why would they consciously make another likely-half-clone when time wasn't an issue and when fans of the franchise wanted someone else who'd give better variety in how it was represented?

Chrom will likely be Smash 4's Wolf, both in originality and how he is handled.

Don't get me wrong, Wolf has entirely unique normals as a fighter, but on a functional level he had little definition as a fighter regardless. Chrom will be likely be worse, since Wolf at least looked unique.

And that, combined with their shying away from clone characters (that we've seen so far, anyway) makes me wonder why Chrom would've stayed unless he was, like I've been speculating, a failsafe.

With how likely outdated the last leak was, for all we know he could've been replaced months ago.

 

[JaidynReiman]

That's the thing. Melee and Brawl had more clones and half-clones because they were pressed for time. So why would they consciously make another likely-half-clone when time wasn't an issue and when fans of the franchise wanted someone else who'd give better variety in how it was represented?


And that, combined with their shying away from clone characters (that we've seen so far, anyway) makes me wonder why Chrom would've stayed unless he was, like I've been speculating, a failsafe.

With how likely outdated the last leak was, for all we know he could've been replaced months ago.

Oh, yeah, I'm well aware of that. Of course I don't think they'd go out of their way to make a likely half-clone like Chrom. I was just clarifying the Wolf situation.

 

[Hong]

For all I am a leak believer, Chrom supporter, and think he has a reasonable chance of appearing, I stand by my grounds. I feel he is less likely to appear than he will, but ever-so-slightly. 40%ish.

 

[False Sense]

For all I am a leak believer, Chrom supporter, and think he has a reasonable chance of appearing, I stand by my grounds. I feel he is less likely to appear than he will, but ever-so-slightly. 40%ish.

You'll get burned at the stake for saying such things, you know.

 

[Hong]

You'll get burned at the stake for saying such things, you know.

I know, right? Gods forbid someone who doesn't take everything the leak and Sakurai said to the most extreme, asinine, illogical extremes.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like holy ****. Does anyone really think a game with a development span over a few months, let alone over a year, can stick to everything they had in mind on a document created from the beginning? I know Smash speculators are weird at times, but this is ridiculous.

Edit - For reference sake, small studios have been able to throw together a balanced character in full HD in less than a month, and have them ready for public use. I would like to think the roster would be finalized in 2014 at the latest.

 

[JaidynReiman]

For all I am a leak believer, Chrom supporter, and think he has a reasonable chance of appearing, I stand by my grounds. I feel he is less likely to appear than he will, but ever-so-slightly. 40%ish.

That's about how I feel as well, but I still feel that every other character has a less of a chance than Chrom.

Based on what I'm seeing, though, I really am leaning more and more towards someone else like Robin. Either way my most wanted has been and still is King K. Rool. If Chrom makes it in, I'll deal with it... I'd just rather have someone else from FE.

 

[False Sense]

I know, right? Gods forbid someone who doesn't take everything the leak and Sakurai said to the most extreme, asinine, illogical extremes.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Like holy ****. Does anyone really think a game with a development span over a few months, let alone over a year, can stick to everything they had in mind on a document created from the beginning? I know Smash speculators are weird at times, but this is ridiculous.

Edit - For reference sake, small studios have been able to throw together a balanced character in full HD in less than a month, and have them ready for public use. I would like to think the roster would be finalized in 2014 at the latest.

So, just for clarification, your stance on Chrom is that the Gematsu leak contains outdated information, to when at least a part of the roster was definitely not finalized, and that despite Chrom being planned to be on the roster (at a point when, while not finalized, the majority of newcomers were decided on), Chrom may not make the final cut due to issues with him. Is that correct?

 

[Hong]

So, just for clarification, your stance on Chrom is that the Gematsu leak contains outdated information, to when at least a part of the roster was definitely not finalized, and that despite Chrom being planned to be on the roster (at a point when, while not finalized, the majority of newcomers were decided on), Chrom may not make the final cut due to issues with him. Is that correct?

Not sure if I can simplify it like that.

Some ideas:
1) Mr. Sakurai could have thought that Chrom could be an expectation, and IS may have even asked for him. But over time, he weighed between keeping a veteran that many people would come to expect, versus bringing in a newcomer many people would come to expect. He may have changed his mind on Chrom, especially after axing characters like Squirtle and Ivysaur, as well as anyone else who is gone.

2) The most common issue in game development history: It just didn't work. Not fun, not interesting, not up to standard. This is the most logical for Chrom, for all the reasons we have discussed. Every game has loads of features and characters that don't work. Roughly 30% of the newcomers they may have at once had in development for Smash Bros do not show up in the final build. While people think they just "didn't make it", that doesn't change the fact they still invested their time where it was worth it.

3) Somewhat tied to #2, but better ideas may arise. If Mr. Sakurai felt the need to fulfill a quota for Fire Emblem like he did Pokemon, he may pursue a better option if it comes to mind.

 

[IronFish]

no feed back on my Female Robin skin, was it that bad?

 

[Another K-2L Survivor]

no feed back on my Female Robin skin, was it that bad?

No, not bad at all! I intend on using it next time I play, actually. My only problem with it is the lack of a "mouth", but that's just a personal preference thing. It's very well done.

 

[Hokori]

Ha ha, we always find ourselves back at leak discussion.

Guess I'll just reiterate what I've said awhile ago in that we all know that it's dated, but holds merit. Don't know how many times Sakurai has made it known that the game is not in its final build, and that everything seen in the directs, PotDs and the demo/Invitational are not set in stone. This will apply for everything, not just characters on the leak of prophecy. I'll continue to hold onto these beliefs until the game is released since only the final product will have all the answers.

So, the leak is definitely believable, but that doesn't mean everything on it will stay.

@ IronFish - Nonsense. I tip my hat to you, acknowledging your efforts. Kudos.

Until the sun rises again, my cherished ones...it's 3:18 am, and I need sleep.

 

[Hong]

Alright everyone, it's that time of month. The question I'll ask you all again:

Pick your top-five Fire Emblem characters for Smash Bros, barring Ike and Marth.

Mine are
1) Tiki
2) Anna
3) Morgan
4) Robin
5) Lucina

no feed back on my Female Robin skin, was it that bad?

You did as best you could, but the limitations of Minecraft means it looks basically as good as your Robin skin. So there isn't a whole lot better we can say, since the difference is a handful of pixels, you know?

 

[Hokori]

Alright everyone, it's that time of month. The question I'll ask you all again:

Pick your top-five Fire Emblem characters for Smash Bros, barring Ike and Marth.

Mine are
1) Tiki
2) Anna
3) Morgan
4) Robin
5) Lucina

Dammit, I saw this and it looks like I can't go to bed yet until I post my list.

1) Tiki
2) Robin
3) Anna
4) Lucina
5) Owain (Dreadfighter pleeeeeease! Fits his personality so well)

Now, let me try this again...

 

[DarkChaosGames]

Alright everyone, it's that time of month. The question I'll ask you all again:

Pick your top-five Fire Emblem characters for Smash Bros, barring Ike and Marth.

Mine are
1) Tiki
2) Anna
3) Morgan
4) Robin
5) Lucina

You did as best you could, but the limitations of Minecraft means it looks basically as good as your Robin skin. So there isn't a whole lot better we can say, since the difference is a handful of pixels, you know?

Well if we are posting lists...

1) Tiki
2) Robin

4) Lucina
5) Chrom

The gap is to represent how far apart my preference is between the first 2 and last 2... Don't feel like picking 5. Chrom/Lucina are purely there due to how important they are to the game and it's story otherwise it would be a "top 2" list which isn't very exciting.

EDIT: Not much of a list, but Awakening was my first (and only) fire emblem game.

1) Tiki
2) Robin
3) Anna
4) Lucina
5) Owain (Dreadfighter pleeeeeease! Fits his personality so well)

...Time to start a Tiki thread? xD

 

[Shorts]

1. Tharja
2. Eirika
3. Robin
4. Anna
5. Gaius

 

[Drakonis]

Alright everyone, it's that time of month. The question I'll ask you all again:

Pick your top-five Fire Emblem characters for Smash Bros, barring Ike and Marth.

1) Robin
2) Tiki
3) Micaiah/Soren
4) Anna
5) Lucina

Had to give 3) two characters. I don't like Micaiah as a character that much, but she would be a nice addition gameplay-wise as a caster. The alternative would be Soren, who I liked a LOT character-wise, but is also infinitely less likely because he lacks main character status.

But somehow my jimmies are rustled whenever people draw Robin body type 3 with enlarged knockers. Well, I suppose people will do that with any character, but it bothers me more when it's Robin.

It bugs me everytime I see it with a character I like. I don't even know why, if people get something out of that stuff and keep it mostly to themselves it shouldn't bother me.
I think it's that they reduce a character we have grown to like to oversexualized aspects they don't even have originally. When you take a character and replace his or her personality with huge boobs, what's the point of it being that character?
It's like a porn parody. Does the world really need to see Sexy Mario Bros?

no feed back on my Female Robin skin, was it that bad?

Both skins are awesome. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Hong]

Eirika would be a nice one.

...Time to start a Tiki thread? xD

There already is one. It had a small amount of activity until she was revealed as a trophy.

The dream is dead.

 

[Drakonis]

Though both Tiki and Anna would make amazing ATs with both of them being reacurring characters throughout the series.

 

[Hong]

Though both Tiki and Anna would make amazing ATs with both of them being reacurring characters throughout the series.

What would Anna do as an Assist Trophy that would have so many people mention this?

I can't imagine her throwing weapons around. Not for free, of course.

 

[Drakonis]

I could imagine Anna standing around for a while and exchanging your held items with a random new one :3 And hitting people that haven't summoned her and don't have an item that come near her :D

For Tiki I could imagine her transforming into a dragon and flying around the stage, raining down dragonfire blasts in interwalls.
Though that's probably one of the least imaginative uses for her.

 

[Hong]

I could see that.

I think ATs are a balance of character importance and function. For instance, Isaac was an Assist Trophy, but all he did was the same Psynegy over and over, because that is what would be most unique, engaging and interesting. A manakete makes a lot of sense, since they have many interesting ways they could be implemented.

ATs are nary more notorious than trophies, except for instances like Saki Amamiya, where it could suggest they perhaps considered them as a character. If Anna does not do anything interesting as an AT, I am okay with just having her as a trophy.

That said, it would be funny if she stole the items of everyone, including the player who summoned her, before jumping through a Rift Door.

PEACE!

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

1) Lucina
2) Lyn
3) Jill Fizzart
4) Eirika
5) Titania

 

[Deathlightning21]

1) Robin
2) Hector
3) Lyn (Theres always next time....)
4) Chrom
5) Roy

 

[Stalkos]

Alright everyone, it's that time of month. The question I'll ask you all again:

Pick your top-five Fire Emblem characters for Smash Bros, barring Ike and Marth.

Am I too late to play?

1)Lucina
2)Robin
3)Ephraim
4)Chrom
5)Soren/Micaiah

I have to give credit of nº5 to @ Drakonis . Im in the same boat, would love to see a caster in the game, and both fit the role just fine.
But Robin comes ways up in that idea.

Also, Ephraim could bring us new gameplay mechanics by using a spear. But waddle doo would do it better.
Chrom and Lucina are there because even going by taste, I couldn't bring myself to suggest characters way out of league. Both are reasonable, Lucina would weight the female cast, Chrom would have to wonder us but Sakurai can manage wonders.

Hector almost got in my list, because of the same thought of Ephraim, a new lord with different main weapon to give variety to the game.

 

[Another K-2L Survivor]

Lucina
Robin
Anna
Tiki
Chrom

That list fluctuates quite a bit with the top four, so that's just the list of the day.

...er, hour*

 

[Hokori]

Crap. I assumed it was an Awakening only list since I only saw Awakening characters on Hong's list. Well, Tiki and Anna aren't Awakening only, but...y'know...

Note to self: Learn to read

So here's to a new list. This time, it'll be comprised solely of my wants (Basically Fire Emblem Smash) rather than including values and such. FROM THE HEART!

1) Lucina
2) Lyn
3) Zelgius/The Black Knight
4) Ephraim
5) Sephiran

I must include 5 more

6) Soren
7) Tiki
8) Eirika
9) Ashnard
10) Lyon

Okay wait, a few more I promise

11) Ashera
12) Arvis
13) Micaiah
14) Anna
15) Robin





...Some other guy is on this list somewhere. Can't recall his name, what he looks like, if he was a hero, a villain, I can't remember...K...Ke...Kel..Kell...Ah! R. Kelly! That has to be his name!

 

[Another K-2L Survivor]

Crap. I assumed it was an Awakening only list since I only saw Awakening characters on Hong's list. Well, Tiki and Anna aren't Awakening only, but...y'know...

Note to self: Learn to read

So here's to a new list. This time, it'll be comprised solely of my wants (Basically Fire Emblem Smash) rather than including values and such. FROM THE HEART!

1) Lucina
2) Lyn
3) Zelgius/The Black Knight
4) Ephraim
5) Sephiran

I must include 5 more

6) Soren
7) Tiki
8) Eirika
9) Ashnard
10) Lyon

Okay wait, a few more I promise

11) Ashera
12) Arvis
13) Micaiah
14) Anna
15) Robin

Who is number 16?

 

[Hokori]

Who is number 16?

Ah, forgot all about Kellam...

 

[Another K-2L Survivor]

Ah, forgot all about Kellam...

Who?

In all seriousness, I look forward to a day when I can create a list with such variety and size. Right now it's just those Awakening reps.
-shakes fist at sky- One day though!

 

[Hokori]

Who?

In all seriousness, I look forward to a day when I can create a list with such variety and size. Right now it's just those Awakening reps. -shakes fist at sky- One day though!

Can't remember. I could read my post again for his name, but it won't do any good since I can't remember anything about the guy.

Ah yes, one day you shall relish in all of Fire Emblem's glory, friend. I wish everyone could...but alas, not everyone has the heart (and/or money/time/desire) to play the games. Nice to know that you do though

 

[FlareHabanero]

Hey Hong, do your ****ing job for once and actually redirect everyone to the proper Fire Emblem discussion.

http://smashboards.com/threads/you-get-no-sympathy-in-a-fire-emblem-discussion.324264/

 

[Pacack]

My top five:

Tiki
Robin
Eirika
Anna
Lyn/Micaiah/other Non-Chrom contenders

 

[Another K-2L Survivor]

My top five:

Tiki
Robin
Eirika
Anna
Notchrom

It took me an embarrassing google of your number 5 to realize that it wasn't some character I hadn't heard of named Notch-rom...