Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Hong]

Completely relevant

I allow it this time because I love you.

@Delzethin
I am not going to find the original Japanese articles for everything, but I love you too so I found this. It's a gathering of information that is gathered from other gatherings of Information.

 

[Hokori]

The character polls are interesting. Would be nice to see how a Fire Emblem character poll would turn out now

 

[Hong]

I am glad Sakurai has put less and less emphasis on who is most popular as the series has gone on.

 

[Hokori]

Makes for better surprises that way too. And the surprises always turn out grand imo.

 

[Hong]

Makes for better surprises that way too. And the surprises always turn out grand imo.

Yeah.

Smash Bros isn't about a collection of the most popular characters. It's a collection of Nintendo history, as a whole. Mr. Game & Watch for example is one of the most important and instrumental characters on the roster. He is the father of portable gaming, and represents Gunpei Yokoi's work and philosophies which would later go on to define NIntendo even decades later. I would see lots of new-blood out the door before they let go of G&W.

Plus, there is just the element of diversity. Wii Fit Trainer, despite her pale complexion, is the most colourful newcomer. For a character who originated from a user interface, it's so out of this world to see her using fitness technique to stomp people into the ground and stuff. To thing someone like this would NEVER happen if we just had the most popular characters.

:b It has to be said that I wouldn't miss the Ice Climbers, though. Maybe 1/100 people who play that game actually like it. Never did much for NIntendo.

 

[Hokori]

Yeah.

Smash Bros isn't about a collection of the most popular characters. It's a collection of Nintendo history, as a whole. Mr. Game & Watch for example is one of the most important and instrumental characters on the roster. He is the father of portable gaming, and represents Gunpei Yokoi's work and philosophies which would later go on to define NIntendo even decades later. I would see lots of new-blood out the door before they let go of G&W.

Plus, there is just the element of diversity. Wii Fit Trainer, despite her pale complexion, is the most colourful newcomer. For a character who originated from a user interface, it's so out of this world to see her using fitness technique to stomp people into the ground and stuff. To thing someone like this would NEVER happen if we just had the most popular characters.

:b It has to be said that I wouldn't miss the Ice Climbers, though. Maybe 1/100 people who play that game actually like it. Never did much for NIntendo.

I wish more people would realize that though...the feeling I get from a lot of people is that they feel that Sakurai is ignoring the fans and by throwing in these random, undesired characters and it's more of a "I'm the creator, I do what I want, you guys shut up" relationship. But that's not the case at all to me. He's introducing some new franchises into the game (as he always does) and that's something I've always enjoyed. Not only does it add to the collection of Nintendo history in Smash, but it's just a great way to get people interested in their respective games. Don't know how many times I've seen and heard people say that they were thankful for Smash putting in so-and-so characters because they found new great games to play.

Idk, people can just be pretty selfish, but of course that's only my opinion. I appreciate all the little things - from the ATs to even all the little collectible trophies. There's so much information that goes into them too, it can be a nice handy-dandy teaching tool

I don't think many would miss the Ice Climbers (myself included) if they happened to not show up aside from people who mained them maybe. There are better classics out there, plus, I've come to loathe them due to their grab game

 

[Narwalgod]

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I don't think many would miss the Ice Climbers (myself included) if they happened to not show up aside from people who mained them maybe. There are better classics out there, plus, I've come to loathe them due to their grab game [/quote]

I like and would miss ice climbers and dont know how to chain grab...

 

[ThunderSageNun]

So... Ice Climbers fans tears?

I wonder if they'd make Karla appear on the colosseum stage given you can recruit her there in FE7 just as a nod to the game? or...

Spoiler

Lucina with a mask in Ferox Arena

I'd like to see the Black Knight be an AT or a boss myself, hopefully not as luck based as his PoR version
PS: oh look, everyone I mentioned wields a sword...

 

[Hong]

Consequentially, Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters are bound to be handled differently, since Sakurai goes to them for advice.

It is not always about who the most popular Fire Emblem character is, but the character Intelligent Systems wants them to use. The folks at IS are players, just like us. Consequentially, characters like Lucina, Tharja and Tiki*, are held in high regard with them. Characters that are popular with the fans are more or less popular with them.

That said, I don't think Sakurai will get bodied like he did when they asked to have Roy instead of Leif. The standards have risen a lot since then. If he wants something more different from the existing roster, they'll give it to him. Robin as a main character, one that the developers have spoken of positively, is a 100% valid candidate.

*A popularity you might not understand if you only joined the series after it became international.

@ ThunderSageNun

 

[jaytalks]

Going off that, they could use the three base weapon classes: a Soldier (weak), a Fighter (medium), and a Swordmaster (strong). They could use the enemy designs from Radiant Dawn, since it's the most recent console Fire Emblem, the character models are the most detailed, and because the Swordmasters in that game looked badass as hell. >_> Maybe they could even mix things up a little occasionally and give one of the Fighters a Hand Axe or one of the Swordmasters a Storm Sword to let them attack from a distance.

I wouldnt have sword fighter the strongest, considering that FE has main been represented by Sword fighters in Smash. I would have the myrmidons\ as the weakest, the soldier as the middle class, and the warrior as the final class. The myrmidon would be really fast and that would be the risk in fighting them, soldier would be middle speed, while the warrior is slow but a tank.

Yeah.

Smash Bros isn't about a collection of the most popular characters. It's a collection of Nintendo history, as a whole. Mr. Game & Watch for example is one of the most important and instrumental characters on the roster. He is the father of portable gaming, and represents Gunpei Yokoi's work and philosophies which would later go on to define NIntendo even decades later. I would see lots of new-blood out the door before they let go of G&W.

Plus, there is just the element of diversity. Wii Fit Trainer, despite her pale complexion, is the most colourful newcomer. For a character who originated from a user interface, it's so out of this world to see her using fitness technique to stomp people into the ground and stuff. To thing someone like this would NEVER happen if we just had the most popular characters.

:b It has to be said that I wouldn't miss the Ice Climbers, though. Maybe 1/100 people who play that game actually like it. Never did much for NIntendo.

I remember when Mr. Game and Watch was revealed with Pac-Man. It was like, oh right, he is older than Mario. I'm really supportive of random type of retro/history character being added. I would love for some type of Hanafuda addition, though I'm not sure how.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Consequentially, Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters are bound to be handled differently, since Sakurai goes to them for advice.

It is not always about who the most popular Fire Emblem character is, but the character Intelligent Systems wants them to use. The folks at IS are players, just like us. Consequentially, characters like Lucina, Tharja and Tiki*, are held in high regard with them. Characters that are popular with the fans are more or less popular with them.

That said, I don't think Sakurai will get bodied like he did when they asked to have Roy instead of Leif. The standards have risen a lot since then. If he wants something more different from the existing roster, they'll give it to him. Robin as a main character, one that the developers have spoken of positively, is a 100% valid candidate.

*A popularity you might not understand if you only joined the series after it became international.

@ ThunderSageNun

Lets hope for the best on that, maybe they'd try to give us a SMTxFE protagonist if that game has an entirely original cast instead for promotion purposes once again

At least that'd mean there's something of the game made so far, I guess

 

[Hokori]

I'm not even harping over who exactly they're going to choose for an FE newcomer anymore. I'm mainly curious to see FE representation overall. ATs aside from Lyn, items, general trophies...there's a lot to cover.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

I'm not even harping over who exactly they're going to choose for an FE newcomer anymore. I'm mainly curious to see FE representation overall. ATs aside from Lyn, items, general trophies...there's a lot to cover.

Agreed. AT wise, I honestly can not quite see Robin as npc helper. He/she is such a complex character. I don't know a lot about animation, but wouldn't it be difficult to make a AT that can use both swords and magic? Most of the characters I've seen have only used one weapon. Besides, having Robin just use one of her weapons wouldn't make her quite Robin anymore.

 

[Hong]

Agreed. AT wise, I honestly can not quite see Robin as npc helper. He/she is such a complex character. I don't know a lot about animation, but wouldn't it be difficult to make a AT that can use both swords and magic? Most of the characters I've seen have only used one weapon. Besides, having Robin just use one of her weapons wouldn't make her quite Robin anymore.

Well, I don't think they think about it too much when they add characters to Smash Bros (why is Ness using PK Starstorm!?), even more so with Assist Trophies.

I can see Robin following the player who summoned them around and giving advice.

Roll! Evade! Press onward! Now that's strategy!

And of course firing off blasts of Thoron to tip the scales.

Alternatively, a more simplified AI would simply summon a hooded Robin in the background, with Grima soon following suit before spikes erupt throughout the arena.

I would love to see characters like Hector, Tiki, Tharja, etc. appear as ATs just because they are so popular and people would love to see them.

 

[Hokori]

Agreed. AT wise, I honestly can not quite see Robin as npc helper. He/she is such a complex character. I don't know a lot about animation, but wouldn't it be difficult to make a AT that can use both swords and magic? Most of the characters I've seen have only used one weapon. Besides, having Robin just use one of her weapons wouldn't make her quite Robin anymore.

Yeah, I pretty much share that same view as far as Robin goes. If I had to choose between Robin and Chrom for an AT, I'd obviously say that Chrom (even if he had to be paired with Lucina, kind of like Kat & Anna from WarioWare or Latios & Latias) would make for a much better AT, and that's not just me being biased. With the amount of customization they're pouring into the game, character potential, and possible discussions with IS leaning towards Robin (or even Lucina for that matter), I'm inclined to think that they'd go with him as a character choice in the end over Chrom, but that's just a feeling. This has been repeated several times over the course of discussion around here, but that's just my personal stance on everything, so I'll leave it at that and just wait to see how things end up.

To sum it up, FE overall representation in Smash > Non-Chrom FE newcomer for me.

@ Hong - Tharja and TIki especially. Gangrel with Levin Sword and Aversa using Aversa's Night wouldn't hurt too.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Are you suggesting that Robin (or rather, Grima) should be the Coliseum's Boss Hazard?

Robin? Hell no, I was actually thinking Zephiel or Arvis (as an emperor). The Colosseum is a nod to past games, anyway, not Awakening or Tellius.

 

[Hong]

I personally still don't think the Colosseum will have a stage boss or obstacle unless something changed late in development, unless it appears after five minutes have passed... which would be a bit strange since then it will never be seen in a wide range of play. Certainly can't be a random timer, since we have cumulatively over an hour of footage on that stage and we have not seen anything aside form raised platforms.

Consequentially, Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters are bound to be handled differently, since Sakurai goes to them for advice.

It is not always about who the most popular Fire Emblem character is, but the character Intelligent Systems wants them to use. The folks at IS are players, just like us. Consequentially, characters like Lucina, Tharja and Tiki*, are held in high regard with them. Characters that are popular with the fans are more or less popular with them.

That said, I don't think Sakurai will get bodied like he did when they asked to have Roy instead of Leif. The standards have risen a lot since then. If he wants something more different from the existing roster, they'll give it to him. Robin as a main character, one that the developers have spoken of positively, is a 100% valid candidate.

*A popularity you might not understand if you only joined the series after it became international.

To go back to this:

Similarly to the Pokemon, I also think that a Fire Emblem reveal trailer will feature all the Fire Emblem characters kicking butt. So even if it's a trailer for Robin, Lucina or Chrom, there will be gameplay footage of Ike and Marth kicking butt. The latter would be great, since 90% of the time Marth is shown in official videos he is a jobber. >.>

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I personally still don't think the Colosseum will have a stage boss or obstacle unless something changed late in development, unless it appears after five minutes have passed... which would be a bit strange since then it will never be seen in a wide range of play. Certainly can't be a random timer, since we have cumulatively over an hour of footage on that stage and we have not seen anything aside form raised platforms.To go back to this:

Similarly to the Pokemon, I also think that a Fire Emblem reveal trailer will feature all the Fire Emblem characters kicking butt. So even if it's a trailer for Robin, Lucina or Chrom, there will be gameplay footage of Ike and Marth kicking butt. The latter would be great, since 90% of the time Marth is shown in official videos he is a jobber. >.>

Question is, will they show FE characters from all the games or just Awakening?

 

[Hokori]

I think I'd like Colosseum more if it had more live action going on. Like wyverns flying in the background...other units could be fighting in the background for all I care as well, y'know, as long as it's not too distracting

@ ThunderSageNun - I'd want to believe that it would be Fire Emblem from all over and not just Awakening. Marth and Ike being in the mix kind of help that, but only if it'd be an all out battle and not just focusing on Awakening characters due to Chrom/Robin's appearance. Kind of like how the Pokemon trailer had Pokemon from all generations. *shrugs*

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

I think I'd like Colosseum more if it had more live action going on. Like wyverns flying in the background...other units could be fighting in the background for all I care as well, y'know, as long as it's not too distracting

That wouldn't be too bad. Reminds me of the Star Fox stage from Melee with all the airships flying around.

 

[Hong]

I think I'd like Colosseum more if it had more live action going on. Like wyverns flying in the background...other units could be fighting in the background for all I care as well, y'know, as long as it's not too distracting

Just about anything. Even Castle Siege had Daein forces in the background on the second stage.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I personally still don't think the Colosseum will have a stage boss or obstacle unless something changed late in development, unless it appears after five minutes have passed... which would be a bit strange since then it will never be seen in a wide range of play. Certainly can't be a random timer, since we have cumulatively over an hour of footage on that stage and we have not seen anything aside form raised platforms.To go back to this:

Similarly to the Pokemon, I also think that a Fire Emblem reveal trailer will feature all the Fire Emblem characters kicking butt. So even if it's a trailer for Robin, Lucina or Chrom, there will be gameplay footage of Ike and Marth kicking butt. The latter would be great, since 90% of the time Marth is shown in official videos he is a jobber. >.>

Um... Mushroom Kingdom U was available at E3, but Nabbit never showed up at E3 whatsoever. They could've taken out the Colosseum Stage Boss for E3 or disabled it temporarily.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I think I'd like Colosseum more if it had more live action going on. Like wyverns flying in the background...other units could be fighting in the background for all I care as well, y'know, as long as it's not too distracting

@ ThunderSageNun - I'd want to believe that it would be Fire Emblem from all over and not just Awakening. Marth and Ike being in the mix kind of help that, but only if it'd be an all out battle and not just focusing on Awakening characters due to Chrom/Robin's appearance. Kind of like how the Pokemon trailer had Pokemon from all generations. *shrugs*

that'd be cool, I can hope Ilyana makes an HD debut that way (?

 

[Hong]

Um... Mushroom Kingdom U was available at E3, but Nabbit never showed up at E3 whatsoever. They could've taken out the Colosseum Stage Boss for E3 or disabled it temporarily.

Good point. Never thought of that.

that'd be cool, I can hope Ilyana makes an HD debut that way (?

We'd all like to see Ilyana in HD.

Maybe she'll appear as an Assist Trophy and eat everythingall the food on screen.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Ilyana would be the new munchlax.

 

[AustarusIV]

Ilyana would be the new munchlax.

That I would like to see.

I've always wanted to see a Manakete AT for this game, like Tiki (sadly a collectable trophy) or Nowi. Any of them would be a welcome addition in my book.

 

[Hong]

Ilyana would also be a cool character in her own right. I would say she would have normals like Zelda and a lot of space-controlling specials.

Question is, will they show FE characters from all the games or just Awakening?

To answer this question more precisely, depends on the nature of the trailer. If the cinematic segment is not representative of gameplay, it depends on the scenario. I would think they would only use HD art assets, so it would be limited to characters who will appear in some form.

As for the gameplay part of the trailer, I can imagine Robin trashing the cast up until she gets to Ike. Kind of like how Greninja bested everyone until he got to Charizard and Lucario. It's like, Ike and Marth are from the same universe as Robin and know how to fight that kind of enemy.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

The character polls are interesting. Would be nice to see how a Fire Emblem character poll would turn out now

Good lord I love this whole Mikasa Ackerman thing you have going on

 

[ThunderSageNun]

man all the love for Illy in this thread makes me

Spoiler

sorry, I couldn't resist. I think the thing that FE has again't Pokemon to make a trailer like that (asides from popularity) is that all those characters would probably have to receive some representation of sorts in the game afterwards, I'm not sure if all the Pokemon shown on the Greninja trailer can come out of pokeballs, but I highly doubt we'd see even half of the FE characters shown get an AT treatment

 

[Hokori]

Good lord I love this whole Mikasa Ackerman thing you have going on

I switch from badass females to the next. Decided it was Mikasa's turn for awhile. I'm glad you're enjoying it Tipsy-Lordling

man all the love for Illy in this thread makes me

Spoiler

sorry, I couldn't resist. I think the thing that FE has again't Pokemon to make a trailer like that (asides from popularity) is that all those characters would probably have to receive some representation of sorts in the game afterwards, I'm not sure if all the Pokemon shown on the Greninja trailer can come out of pokeballs, but I highly doubt we'd see even half of the FE characters shown get an AT treatment

Yeah, I wouldn't even begin to think that. Though, such a drastic jump from barely any FE love in previous Smash games to Sm4sh being filled with FE content would thrust me into the cosmos (in Rosalina's gown )

#ThankUBasedSakurai #ThankUBasedAwakening

 

[Hong]

Sakurai... we have to do SOMETHING!

 

[Hokori]

Sakurai... we have to do SOMETHING!

He's trying his hardest to deliver greatness.

Hopefully that will be the final result.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Sakurai... we have to do SOMETHING!

あなたは目的私たちは何をしますか？

Courtesy of Google translate.

He's trying his hardest to deliver greatness.

Hopefully that will be the final result.

I see it...I see the light! #SakuraiIsGod.

 

[JaidynReiman]

man all the love for Illy in this thread makes me

Spoiler

sorry, I couldn't resist. I think the thing that FE has again't Pokemon to make a trailer like that (asides from popularity) is that all those characters would probably have to receive some representation of sorts in the game afterwards, I'm not sure if all the Pokemon shown on the Greninja trailer can come out of pokeballs, but I highly doubt we'd see even half of the FE characters shown get an AT treatment

I love Ilyana, too. :D I've read how a lot of people dislike Ilyana in Radiant Dawn due to Thunder being nerfed, but I don't care, I love Ilyana so much I tend to play as her anyway, and her massive availability makes her extremely useful throughout the whole game. Just don't give her too much of the Dawn Brigade's XP and give her a few items to transfer over to the Greil Mercenaries (plus I tend to give her the ability that increases rate of leveling up weapon levels, and I give the other to Soren). ^^


An HD Ilyana, though unlikely, would be awesome. :D

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I love Ilyana, too. :D I've read how a lot of people dislike Ilyana in Radiant Dawn due to Thunder being nerfed, but I don't care, I love Ilyana so much I tend to play as her anyway, and her massive availability makes her extremely useful throughout the whole game. Just don't give her too much of the Dawn Brigade's XP and give her a few items to transfer over to the Greil Mercenaries (plus I tend to give her the ability that increases rate of leveling up weapon levels, and I give the other to Soren). ^^


An HD Ilyana, though unlikely, would be awesome. :D

As a whole, I don't trust so much who are supposedly amazing units and who are more on the mediocre side, apparently Edward is amazing in RD and the best Trueblade, I could never even get him to swordmaster without fully abusing BEXP, and even then he left pretty meh impressions on me, as a whole I don't really like the Dawn Brigade much, personality ore gameplay wise, but at least I could get Leonardo and Nolan to be somewhat useful, not so much with Ed. I usually just use whoever I like unless it proves too troublesome to train them, but that's rarely the case (if I had the patience to train Sophia when I tried playing through Binding Blade, I'm pretty sure I can do the same with almost anyone as long as I enjoy their character). Now if you asked me to use Meg and/or Fiona I'd give you a big no, or any non royal Laguz from RD given their huge nerf from PoR, I also rarely end up using mounted units at the latter parts of the games given their more limited stats caps

 

[JaidynReiman]

As a whole, I don't trust so much who are supposedly amazing units and who are more on the mediocre side, apparently Edward is amazing in RD and the best Trueblade, I could never even get him to swordmaster without fully abusing BEXP, and even then he left pretty meh impressions on me, as a whole I don't really like the Dawn Brigade much, personality ore gameplay wise, but at least I could get Leonardo and Nolan to be somewhat useful, not so much with Ed. I usually just use whoever I like unless it proves too troublesome to train them, but that's rarely the case (if I had the patience to train Sophia when I tried playing through Binding Blade, I'm pretty sure I can do the same with almost anyone as long as I enjoy their character). Now if you asked me to use Meg and/or Fiona I'd give you a big no, or any non royal Laguz from RD given their huge nerf from PoR, I also rarely end up using mounted units at the latter parts of the games given their more limited stats caps

Mounted Unit wise, my favorite thing to do is getting Astrid almost promoted (or actually promoted) then giving her Blossom as soon as she joins the Greil Mercenaries. By around 3-17 to 3-18 she's fully capped all her stats, plus she's got among the highest stat caps among mounted units as well. She was quite epic in the final chapters, although I still could barely do any damage to the final boss with her.

I also don't really use any Laguz, either. The Royal Laguz because they're op, the rest because they're too hard to level up. I'd much rather just use regular beorc units I fully leveled up, except for Kurthnaga. He's basically the only laguz I ever use.


Sucks, because even once I get a Wii U I still won't be able to play Radiant Dawn again. I need to buy a new disc first.

I think it'd be really neat if we got an HD upgrade to POR/RD, but I kinda doubt it'll happen.

 

[Drakonis]

I know this might be really controversial, especially in this thread...

*looks left*

*looks right*

I'd really like it if FE: Awakening's Robin made it into Smash 4 as a playable character.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

At this rate, this thread is going to be the new fire emblem discussion thread. Not that I mind all that much.

To get back to Robin...do you guys think one of her/his alternate costumes could somehow be Kris from FE12?

 

[JaidynReiman]

At this rate, this thread is going to be the new fire emblem discussion thread. Not that I mind all that much.

To get back to Robin...do you guys think one of her/his alternate costumes could somehow be Kris from FE12?

Kris doesn't really have a defined design either, the only thing I can think is maybe Robin will have Kris' hairstyle as an alt, but that's about it.

 

[Drakonis]

At this rate, this thread is going to be the new fire emblem discussion thread. Not that I mind all that much.

To get back to Robin...do you guys think one of her/his alternate costumes could somehow be Kris from FE12?

I don't know the character personally, but from what I heard here I'm fairly positive that there could be at least one recolour be reserved for Kris, especially if they decide to call Robin "Tactician".